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Topic: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: Birdwatching
Posted 2008-10-02 08:49:17 and read 12115 times.

While there used to be a bunch of 747 operators in Latin America in the 70s - 90s, they seem to be almost gone from the continent now. Lan Chile operated the Jumbo, so did Avianca, Viasa, Varig, Aerolineas, did I miss any?
Aerolineas Argentinas used to have a good fleet, they have about 2 now? Are those the only two 747s based in Latin America at the moment? Who thinks there will be any second hand 744s or even 748s going to Latin America in the future?

Soren  santahat 

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: Gabo787
Posted 2008-10-02 10:02:05 and read 12049 times.

AR has 3 744 (LV-ALJ, LV-AXF, LV-BBU) and 5L have a 743 (CP-2525 "Torisimo") for its flights to MAD
and sadly those are all the 747's that operates for Latin American airlines at the moment  

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Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: Birdwatching
Posted 2008-10-02 11:45:22 and read 11945 times.

Add this plane to the list and make it 4. South America yes, but it doesn't count as Latin America though.


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Soren  santahat 

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: LVZXV
Posted 2008-10-02 11:58:08 and read 11917 times.



Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
While there used to be a bunch of 747 operators in Latin America in the 70s - 90s, they seem to be almost gone from the continent now. Lan Chile operated the Jumbo, so did Avianca, Viasa, Varig, Aerolineas, did I miss any?
Aerolineas Argentinas used to have a good fleet, they have about 2 now? Are those the only two 747s based in Latin America at the moment? Who thinks there will be any second hand 744s or even 748s going to Latin America in the future?

Southern Winds also operated one (a -200) for 4 months alongside AR in 2005, before the former was brought down by a drugs scandal. During that time, Argentina became the only country in Latin American history to boast TWO 747 operators.

The AR -400s were very nearly kicked-out of the fleet recently, though now it looks like they are to stay for maybe four more years.

Not to discredit LAN and VIASA, but they did not operate 747s beyond a wet-lease as far as I remember--certainly never placed them on their respective local registers. Those that did (and in this order) were the following:

AV
AR
RG
A4
PY
5L

Saludos,

ZXV

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: CityAirline
Posted 2008-10-02 11:58:02 and read 11912 times.

Aerosur has an old 747, which they use for VVI-MAD-VVI.

//Alex

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: Lobster
Posted 2008-10-02 12:26:05 and read 11876 times.

It's not a true airline, but Worldwide Aircraft Holding Co has a 747-SP (VP-BAT). They are registered in Bermuda and thus are part of Latin America.

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: Adicool
Posted 2008-10-02 13:04:32 and read 11839 times.



Quoting Lobster (Reply 5):
It's not a true airline, but Worldwide Aircraft Holding Co has a 747-SP (VP-BAT). They are registered in Bermuda and thus are part of Latin America.

Bermunda is a British overseas territory and as not even remotely something to do with Latin America!

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: C010T3
Posted 2008-10-02 14:10:15 and read 11744 times.



Quoting Lobster (Reply 5):
They are registered in Bermuda and thus are part of Latin America.

 bomb  OMG.

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: OB1504
Posted 2008-10-02 14:57:39 and read 11706 times.



Quoting Adicool (Reply 6):
Bermunda is a British overseas territory and as not even remotely something to do with Latin America!

Not to mention the fact that I believe several VIP 747s are registered in Bermuda for tax purposes.

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: Lobster
Posted 2008-10-02 15:15:33 and read 11666 times.



Quoting Lobster (Reply 5):
It's not a true airline, but Worldwide Aircraft Holding Co has a 747-SP (VP-BAT). They are registered in Bermuda and thus are part of Latin America.

Oh my god. Must have been braindead. The tool I used to make the query has Bermuda in the Area of 'Central America' and I just copied it into here translating 'Central America' into 'Latin America'. Shame on me and won't happen again  Wink

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: Jfk777
Posted 2008-10-02 17:54:39 and read 11553 times.

The only airline that had a Pacific route system and high demand routes to fill a 747 was VARIG. Those were days before 777 and A340's, RG was really the only Latin American airline ever needing a 747. They opertated 742, 743 and 744's( now with Air New Zealand).

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: RICARIZA
Posted 2008-10-02 18:53:08 and read 11499 times.



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 10):
The only airline that had a Pacific route system and high demand routes to fill a 747 was VARIG. Those were days before 777 and A340's, RG was really the only Latin American airline ever needing a 747. They opertated 742, 743 and 744's( now with Air New Zealand).

I am sorry, but Avianca was very successful with its fleet of 747's to long haul routes, since it was the first operator of the 747 in Latin America from 1977 til mid 90's..


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BTW, for me, the most beautiful 747 ever..  Smile

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: Latinplane
Posted 2008-10-02 20:00:13 and read 11456 times.



Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 11):

I am sorry, but Avianca was very successful with its fleet of 747's to long haul routes, since it was the first operator of the 747 in Latin America from 1977 til mid 90's..

They successfully operated them for about 15 years, but I wouldn't say that they were successfully making money for the airline. For example, Avianca scheduled their 747 with a stop either in Caracas or San Juan P.R. in order to get better loads across the Atlantic as well as to refuel.

Varig was about the only airline that served markets big enough to warrant enough paying passengers & cargo to profit from their use.

 Smile LatinPlane

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: Rleiro
Posted 2008-10-02 21:30:46 and read 11397 times.



Quoting RICARIZA:
I am sorry, but Avianca was very successful with its fleet of 747's to long haul routes, since it was the first operator of the 747 in Latin America from 1977 til mid 90's..

Viasa was the first 747 operator. Initially the crew was mixed (Venezuelan and Dutch), but then was all Venezuelan crew.

The first 747 ever operating in Latin America was PH-BUG, christened as Orinoco after Venezuela's largest river. The airplane was painted half in Viasa and half in KLM old livery.

http://coppermine.luchtzak.be/albums/goodolddays/venezuelaviasa.jpg

Saludos,

Roberto.

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: Wedgetail737
Posted 2008-10-02 21:35:07 and read 11387 times.

Ecuatoriana used DC-10-30 equipement to LAX, MIA and JFK.
Saeta used A-310 equipment to MIA.
Lloyd Aero Boliviano used A-310 equipment to MIA, I believe.
There was a short-lived airline out of Uruguay that flew 747-100's to MIA.
Faucett/Aeroperu used L-1011-1 equipment to MIA.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 10):
The only airline that had a Pacific route system and high demand routes to fill a 747 was VARIG. Those were days before 777 and A340's, RG was really the only Latin American airline ever needing a 747. They opertated 742, 743 and 744's( now with Air New Zealand).

RG used 743's, 744's and MD-11's to LAX and Asia.
VASP used MD-11 equipment to LAX and Asia.

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: LatinPlane
Posted 2008-10-02 22:39:47 and read 11356 times.

Let's not forget that VIASA also leased pure-cargo 747s from various third parties during the late 70s and early 80s. There was much demand for these pure cargo freighters between North America and Venezuela as the country imported many American products thanks to its strong currency exchange that the country held till around the mid-80s or so.








 Smile LatinPlane

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: LatinPlane
Posted 2008-10-02 22:58:43 and read 11345 times.

I must say, Avianca's 747s were probably the best looking in South America.

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 Smile LatinPlane

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: SOUTHAMERICA
Posted 2008-10-02 23:23:22 and read 11327 times.



Quoting Latinplane (Reply 12):
They successfully operated them for about 15 years, but I wouldn't say that they were successfully making money for the airline.

I agree. Fortunately, Avianca put its feet on the ground later on, and found out soon enough that the 767s were a more reasonable choice for the airline's needs.


SA.

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: RICARIZA
Posted 2008-10-03 03:08:39 and read 11237 times.



Quoting Rleiro (Reply 13):
Viasa was the first 747 operator. Initially the crew was mixed (Venezuelan and Dutch), but then was all Venezuelan crew

That was a wet lease, it doesn't count...!

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: Gabo787
Posted 2008-10-03 05:48:44 and read 11179 times.

I remember flying from BOG to MIA in one of AV's 747 in the early 80's they did a Stop in BAQ for refuelling and pick up more pax, I'm not sure but it was something about weight restrictions from BOG

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: 123
Posted 2008-10-03 06:05:27 and read 11167 times.

"Torísimo" of 5L @CBB:

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Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: Jfk777
Posted 2008-10-03 06:14:29 and read 11158 times.



Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 11):
I am sorry, but Avianca was very successful with its fleet of 747's to long haul routes, since it was the first operator of the 747 in Latin America from 1977 til mid 90's

MY dear Sir,

I am from Barranquilla and know the history of Avianca's 747's very well, I flew on all of them. MY father went to college, he is a gringo: Colombian mom, with Ernesto Mendoza the president of Avianca at the time. Due to Colombia's Northwestern location in South America a 747 was only needed for the European route. Many flights to Miami and JFK were handled well by 72S aircraft. Miami to BOG with a 747 was a lot of airplane year round and JFK to BOG never needed 400 seats daily. AV leased various different 747's over the years, the first one was a ex-Continental 747-100, they also leased an ex -SAS 747 which crashed in MAD in 1988. Avianca purchased a 747-200 Combi in 1979 new from Boeing, given BOG 2200 meter altitude this plane had to stop before Madrid, perhaps a 747-200B all passenger would have made it nonstop.

AV operated what had to be one of the most inefficient 747 operations in the world, BOG- CCS or SDQ-Madrid-CDG-FRA and reverse. All those landings and takeoffs are inefficient, CDG to FRA is only 282 miles. I think Dc-10-30 would have been better as today AV has numerous 767ER's for nonstop routes to Europe. IN 2000 AV operated 4 nonstop routes from BOG by 767 to MAD, CDG, FRA & LHR. The AV of 30 years ago was an airline needing a trophy, a 747.

Varig really needed 747's since everthing was 8 to 12 hours from Rio and Sao Paulo, both in Europe and the USA.

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: LVISA
Posted 2008-10-03 06:51:09 and read 11130 times.

In my opinion, (I'm biased, of course), these were the best looking 747's.

And yes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder...  Big grin


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AR has been using 747's continuosly since the first one arrived on 31 December 1976.

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: AV757
Posted 2008-10-03 08:14:53 and read 10858 times.

During low season the 747 was reconfigured as a combi with 260 seats and the rest as cargo.

Also AV operated a full cargo version 747.

AV757

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: Carls
Posted 2008-10-03 08:14:57 and read 10858 times.



Quoting Lobster (Reply 5):
They are registered in Bermuda and thus are part of Latin America.

Not even close to Latin America.

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: HapppyLandings
Posted 2008-10-03 09:22:17 and read 10584 times.



Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 18):
That was a wet lease, it doesn't count...!

I believe it counts, the thread starter asked who "operated" not who owned... Wet Lease still means operational for that current airline. Even if it is crewed not by your company Pilots and F/As

How long was the lease for?

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: Rleiro
Posted 2008-10-03 11:12:52 and read 10671 times.

The lease of the Orinoco lasted for two years. Viasa never owned a 747 but it had up to 6 747s in different times along the years.

Saludos,

Roberto.

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: AM744
Posted 2008-10-03 11:17:09 and read 10670 times.



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 10):
RG was really the only Latin American airline ever needing a 747

I beg to differ. AR has historically put them to good use. EZE-MAD grants the use of a 747 more that any RG route ever did.

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: Jfk777
Posted 2008-10-03 15:32:30 and read 10579 times.



Quoting AM744 (Reply 27):
I beg to differ. AR has historically put them to good use. EZE-MAD grants the use of a 747 more that any RG route ever did.

AR has a mountain of problems well discussed in this forum. Today AR only flies 744 on the EZE to MAD route, but in the past those 742's stopped in GRU(sometimes) and operated to almost every European capitol. DID AR really need to fly to Amsterdam and Zurich ? AR needed a smaller plane then a 747 on most routes for profitable year round operation, any airlne can fill a plane at Christmas or the summer holidays.

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: AM744
Posted 2008-10-03 15:57:48 and read 10553 times.



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 28):
Today AR only flies 744 on the EZE to MAD route

Precisely. If a LatAm airline ever had a solid business case for a 747 it is precisely AR's EZE-MAD. RG´s Japan and Hong Kong routes lost money most of the time.

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: Jfk777
Posted 2008-10-03 16:11:57 and read 10542 times.



Quoting AM744 (Reply 29):
Precisely. If a LatAm airline ever had a solid business case for a 747 it is precisely AR's EZE-MAD. RG´s Japan and Hong Kong routes lost money most of the time

While the case exists for EZE to MAD does it validate the need for AR's fleet to have 747's when it may not be good for EZE to MIA, JFK, CDG, FRA, FCO & other AR non Latin American cities. AR needing 747's for the Madrid route doesn't justify having them when other long routes they flew didn't.

Aeromexico never had 747's, they had DC-10-30, 767 and now 777. I don't know if MEX or EZE to MAD is bigger but its close. Iberia flies two daily A340's to MEX as it does to EZE, I don't hear any airline making planes to operate A380 from MAX to MAD. I would bet the A380 can take-off from Mexico City's altitude to MAD. Today Lufthansa and BA operate 744 nonstop from MEX to LHR and FRA.

RG used them 747 on many routes other then Japan, MIA, JFK, FRA and LHR all received 747's since 1990, MD-11 also flew many of the same routes.

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: Jigarciar
Posted 2008-10-03 18:37:53 and read 10454 times.

According to RZJETS information, Avianca operated a total of 6 Boeing 747's:

Boeing 747-124 19734 58 HK-2000 "Eldorado": This was the very first B747 operated by the airline and the one that marked the entrance of the Company and of the Latin American aviation to the Jumbo era (considering that Viasa started operating its first B747 with a wet lease and not as a real part of its fleet at the moment of the arrival of this aircraft). It operated for AVA between November 1976 and February 1983.

Boeing 747-259B 21730 372 HK-2300/HK-2980/EI-CEO "Cartagena de Indias": Brand new delivered to the Airline in 1979 and flew over Colombian skies inside AV's fleet until 1992. Later, it was sold to Tower Air and wet leased to AV (probably once or twice) to fly the BOG-JFK-BOG route during the high season of December and January (correct me please, but I think this was between 1993 and 1994). It is still flying as a freighter with Kalitta Air (N701CK) and still keeps visiting BOG during this days. A true legendary aircraft.

Boeing 747-283(B)SCD 21381 311 HK-2910X: Operated for AVA between March 1982 and November 1983, when it crashed while approaching MAD's once rwy 33.

Boeing 747-123 20103 65 JT9D-7A N9664: Flew for AVA between May 1984 and June 1987.

Boeing 747-124(F) 19733 42 HK-2900: With Avianca between July 1982 and August 1988.

Boeing 747-124(F)SCD 19735 64 HK-2400: With Avianca between July 1981 and July 1982.

As was stated above, AVA's B747s were mainly used for the European routes and the BOG-MIA-BOG route. If I am correct, the European journey used to be BOG-CCS-MAD-FRA-CDG-MAD-CCS-BOG and formerly, instead of CCS, they flew from BOG to SJU and then, to MAD. As far as I know, it was profitable (don't know the numbers); consider AV has never stopped connecting Colombia with Europe since the early 1950's, beginning with the DC-4, and then with the SuperConstellations, passing through the B707, B747, B767, very soon with the A330 and in a couple of years, with the B787.

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: SJOtoLIR
Posted 2008-10-03 19:22:38 and read 10422 times.



Quoting AM744 (Reply 29):
If a LatAm airline ever had a solid business case for a 747 it is precisely AR's EZE-MAD

A7 Air Comet mainline is intended to deploy the 380 later in the profitable MAD-EZE and reverse.
It depends if Marsans Group would materialize that project.
This topic is being discussing in the following active thread:

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4165934/

Regards.

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: Bogota
Posted 2008-10-03 19:21:42 and read 10418 times.

I personally flew the B747 CLO-BOG, also BOG-MIA and also BOG-JFK. Now regarding the european routes, AV for stopped in every corner on their way to Europe just like every body else.

I flew KLM which stopped in LIS on its way to AMS out of CCS, also flew LH out of BOG stopping in CCS and SJU and considering the plane came in from LIM and if I remember correctly also LPB and also flew IB (DC-10) stopping in SDQ.

Filling up planes in one city was not possible back then and as aircraft were either small or big the only option was stopping in every corner. BA and BCAL used to stop in CCS, SJU or SLU when they flew out of BOG.

Obviously with the new wide body aircraft with mid size capacities like the 767, markets like the BOG-Europe could be divided by destination and that is exactly what AV did, got rid of the old 747 and operated direct BOG-FRA, CDG, LHR and MAD flights.

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: PU752
Posted 2008-10-03 20:00:29 and read 10386 times.



Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 11):
I am sorry, but Avianca was very successful with its fleet of 747's to long haul routes, since it was the first operator of the 747 in Latin America from 1977 til mid 90's..

Those AV's 747 were awesome, I remember studying a few years ago for my instrument rating a Spanish book from 1977 and one of the charts to study from the book was the actually flown by the crew that crashed in MAD in 1983... I dont know why but it was pretty odd studying that chart for my exam knowing that the accident happened during that approach... but a lovely looking plane for sure.

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: Caryjack
Posted 2008-10-03 22:23:58 and read 10319 times.



Quoting LatinPlane (Reply 15):
There was much demand for these pure cargo freighters between North America and Venezuela

Just curious: why do these freighters have portholes (pluged for sure but holes non-the-less)? Was it eaiser to just leave them in?
Thanks,
Cary

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: LatinPlane
Posted 2008-10-03 23:23:29 and read 10274 times.



Quoting Caryjack (Reply 35):
Just curious: why do these freighters have portholes (pluged for sure but holes non-the-less)? Was it eaiser to just leave them in?
Thanks,
Cary

Are you talking about the the plugged window holes?


I'm sure everyone has already seen this video, but I can't help placing it here again. It's such a great advertisement produced by Aerolineas Argentinas.



Then there is also the sad report of the Avianca 747 that crashed while on approach to Barajas. The flight had originated in Paris and was landing in Madrid where it would refuel for its hop accross the Atlantic to Bogota via Caracas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G58fcsOCnxc

LatinPlane

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: AM744
Posted 2008-10-04 13:36:03 and read 10092 times.



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 30):
While the case exists for EZE to MAD does it validate the need for AR's fleet to have 747's when it may not be good for EZE to MIA, JFK, CDG, FRA, FCO & other AR non Latin American cities. AR needing 747's for the Madrid route doesn't justify having them when other long routes they flew didn't.

You are making a good point here. A single route probably doesn't justify a small subfleet.

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2008-10-04 14:10:09 and read 10060 times.



Quoting LatinPlane (Reply 36):
Quoting Caryjack (Reply 35):
Just curious: why do these freighters have portholes (pluged for sure but holes non-the-less)? Was it eaiser to just leave them in?
Thanks,
Cary

Are you talking about the the plugged window holes?

That was a 747-200C leased from World Airways. It was convertible between passenger and cargo configuration so the windows were needed. Viasa leased two World Airways 747-200Cs for a year or two in the early 1980s.

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: Caryjack
Posted 2008-10-04 20:05:15 and read 9905 times.



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 38):
That was a 747-200C leased from World Airways. It was convertible between passenger and cargo configuration so the windows were needed.


Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):
Reply 1, posted Tue Feb 5 2008 16:53:23 your local time (8 months 2 days 1 hour ago)
The only 747 model that could have accommodated cargo at the front and passengers at the rear was the 747-200C Convertible passenger/freighter which had the flip-up nose door like the 747F freighter (the main deck cargo door in the rear fuselage was optional on the -200C).
Only 13 -200C's were built for El Al, Iraqi Airways, Martinair, Transamerica, and World Airways. I know some of those carriers occasionally converted these aircraft from all-passenger to all-cargo configurations (e.g. Martinair) but I don't know whether any ever operated them in a combi-configuration with cargo at the front and passengers at the rear.[/quote]


JoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 1750 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted Wed Feb 6 2008 11:16:40 your local time (8 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 189 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):
but I don't know whether any ever operated them in a combi-configuration with cargo at the front and passengers at the rear.
I remember seeing an IA 742C at BEG in the '80s with the nose open and pax boarding at the rear, for a flight to SDA.[/quote]

¿A 747 combi convertible with the passengers in the back?? eyepopping  This looks like another one.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Atlas...Air/Boeing-747-271C-SCD/0125288/L/

Thanks,
Cary

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2008-10-04 20:14:47 and read 9901 times.

Since we are talking about 747s in Latin America do you know that both Aero Peru and Ecuatoriana came very close to acquiring their own 747s?

Yup, Boeing was very busy trying to sell a pair of 747SPs to AeroPeru and a single SP example to Ecuatoriana. Obviously the carriers decided on differenet equipment with the L-1011 to Peru and DC-10 in Ecuador.


Ultimately, however as much as people take pride in having operated the 747, the type was simply too big for the needs of Latin America.
Even the regions premier airline like Varig and Aerolineas Argentinas had to run multi city segments with any hopes of filling them. The region would have been much better in the 70s/80s concentrating on smaller types like the DC-10 then flying around empty 747s for large portions of the year.

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: GARUDAROD
Posted 2008-10-04 20:25:29 and read 9873 times.



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 10):
They opertated 742, 743 and 744's( now with Air New Zealand).

Correction, two of the aircraft went to NZ, one went to and is still operated by
Garuda Indonesia

Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: Jmbarros12
Posted 2008-10-05 17:47:00 and read 9632 times.



Quoting LatinPlane (Reply 16):
I must say, Avianca's 747s were probably the best looking in South America.

To me, RG's 744 were the best looking... Really like the old livery...

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Topic: RE: Latin American Airlines And The 747
Username: LVZXV
Posted 2008-10-06 03:46:38 and read 9498 times.



Quoting AM744 (Reply 37):
You are making a good point here. A single route probably doesn't justify a small subfleet.

Not only that, but the EZE-MAD route is, contrary to populat belief, NOT a cash-cow at all. Loads are usually great, yes, but the yields are very low. It's a very attractive option to hop on an AR 744 on the route for far less than what IB could charge, for the simple fact that though Old School those 744s are damn comfortable throughout, but this does the airline absolutely no favours.

Back in the day, AR always had problems with their 742s once they arrived in MAD. It was not unusual for their to be just 15-20 pax on some of those inter-European legs, though, in their defence, AR was far from the only airline (or Latin American airline) to be doing this at the time. I understand that most Feeders in the '80s were pretty hair-brained ideas.

I for one will seriously miss AR's 747s, as already I miss those 742s which though not as comfortable as the -400s were testament to the TLC they received from AR maintenance that saw most of the fleet fly without serious incident for nearly 30 years. The -400s unfortunately (since they were used and not ordered to specification) are not quite as loved at AR, but look set to remain for some time to come.

Saludos,

ZXV


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