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Topic: New Runways Open in ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: AAH732UAL
Posted 2008-11-15 06:42:50 and read 13411 times.

Three new runways are opening for public use on the 20th of November. I just got revisions posted and......
ORD
9L/27R
IAD
1R/19L
SEA
34L/16R

all are now going to be open. I know the SEA has taken like 4 years IIRC but the ORD and IAD runways seemed to have been built in less then 1 1/2 years, can anyone confirm?

Also for anyone who cares, ORD has had all their star's from the West and South re-done, I am shooting in the dark here but I think the SAYRS2 is the first next gen RNAV star that has been decommissioned. I know its the first to be replaced by a traditional one.

  

[Edited 2008-11-15 06:44:13]

Topic: New Runways Open in ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: AAH732UAL
Posted 2008-11-15 08:00:42 and read 13268 times.



Quoting AAH732UAL (Thread starter):
1R/19L

1L/19R

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Davescj
Posted 2008-11-15 08:32:52 and read 13189 times.

I am so glad for ORD...this should make like there much better for everyone.

Dave

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Acey
Posted 2008-11-15 08:48:42 and read 13160 times.



Quoting Davescj (Reply 2):
I am so glad for ORD...this should make like there much better for everyone.

Especially on inclement weather days.

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Jetmatt777
Posted 2008-11-15 11:13:51 and read 12923 times.

The new runway at SEA, 16R/34L, is only gonna help arrivals in the air get down, but overall, if they don't build a wrap-around taxiway around the other two runways, it's not gonna help the problem but add to it, on liveatc.net, when listening in on SEA_TWR, at rush hour, planes are backing up so fast on the high-speed taxiways inbetween 16C/34C and 16L/34R, now add another arrival stream to get across another arrival runway, and get it across another departure runway. Approach doesn't know the condition of the taxiways unless Tower notifies them to hold, slow down, or create more arrival spacing, which means planes pulling off 16R/34L will be waiting short of 16C/34C waiting on tower to find a gab in arrivals, then once he's across, making a departure hold and let all the holding arrivals cross. This is gonna make things alot harder on pilots and ATC if they don't get a wrap-around taxiway, atleast around the other arrival runway.

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2008-11-15 14:13:12 and read 12752 times.



Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 4):
This is gonna make things alot harder on pilots and ATC if they don't get a wrap-around taxiway, atleast around the other arrival runway.

Well, that will take another 10 years, $2B, and will require bringing native rock in from central BC to appease the 17 salamanders that like it's color better than native Washington rock.

Oye.

-Dave (only partially tongue in cheek)

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: WorldTraveler
Posted 2008-11-15 14:22:25 and read 12730 times.

can you post the dimensions for each of these new runways?

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Jfk777
Posted 2008-11-15 16:03:23 and read 12486 times.

Does any one have a map of Dulles Airport and its new Runway ?

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: SLUAviator
Posted 2008-11-15 16:14:47 and read 12416 times.

Due to its location, the new runway at O'Hare will only help congestion if the airport is landing west. If they are landing east, it will interfere with traffic using the other runways and won't be used. None the less, I can't wait to lay some rubber on it--hopefully soon!

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: C680
Posted 2008-11-15 16:16:30 and read 12404 times.



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 7):
Does any one have a map of Dulles Airport and its new Runway ?

http://www.metwashairports.com/dulles/d2_dulles_development_2/d2_home

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: AAH732UAL
Posted 2008-11-15 16:27:26 and read 12341 times.



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 7):

I do but can't post it....... sorry. Just know its sorta far away from 1C/19C and the terminals.

Check airnav or something around 0900Z on the 20th, they should have the new NACO charts added.

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: ORDZW
Posted 2008-11-15 16:27:37 and read 12341 times.

I used to work at ORD about 5 years ago and out of curiosity, did they reroute Mt. Prospect Rd. into the employee parking lot or does the new runway pass over top, creating a tunnel?

Looks like there will be some even better views from the Target and Allstate Arena's parking lots now!

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: DCA-ROCguy
Posted 2008-11-15 16:37:43 and read 12285 times.

Here'a an aerial shot of IAD from late July, showing new layout. Sorry, a bit grainy:

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z304/CitrusFlyer/100_1592pb.jpg

Jim

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Steeler83
Posted 2008-11-15 16:46:08 and read 12223 times.



Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 12):

Here'a an aerial shot of IAD from late July, showing new layout. Sorry, a bit grainy:

So the new runway is the one on the far right? If that's the case, IAD now has 3 parallels...

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Alias1024
Posted 2008-11-15 17:05:38 and read 12129 times.



Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 4):
The new runway at SEA, 16R/34L, is only gonna help arrivals in the air get down, but overall, if they don't build a wrap-around taxiway around the other two runways, it's not gonna help the problem but add to it, on liveatc.net, when listening in on SEA_TWR, at rush hour, planes are backing up so fast on the high-speed taxiways inbetween 16C/34C and 16L/34R, now add another arrival stream to get across another arrival runway, and get it across another departure runway.

Use 16R/34C as the primary arrival runway with 16C/34C as the overflow and you will likely have plenty of gaps for aircraft to cross 16C/34C inbound to the terminal. Those gaps can also be exploited by ATC to keep departure traffic moving, with simultaneous departures off of 16L&C or 34R&C. The new runway will help greatly in SEA, on both low visibility and beautiful days.

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: N93109
Posted 2008-11-15 17:36:12 and read 11948 times.

So, has anyone figured out whether the new runway will be departures to the North only and arrivals to the South only given the cross runway.

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: DiscoverCSG
Posted 2008-11-15 19:42:11 and read 11408 times.



Quoting N93109 (Reply 15):
So, has anyone figured out whether the new runway will be departures to the North only and arrivals to the South only given the cross runway.

I assume you're talking about IAD.

I wouldn't think there's a problem using 1L/19R in either direction if 12/30 isn't in use.

If 12/30 is in use, then your theory is most likely correct, but it's not a terribly limiting factor because...

Looking at the field, I could see a four-runway pattern such as:

Landing 1C/R
Departing 1L/30
with 30 departures rolling between 1C arrivals.

They could also run 4-runway patterns on the 19's and 12, the 19's and 30, or the 1's and 30.

All in all, it looks like somebody know what they were doing - it can happen, right?

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Eyes2thesky
Posted 2008-11-15 21:20:04 and read 11003 times.

Does anyone know what airline/aircraft made the first touchdown on each runway (or the first takeoff)?

Curious if they gave the honors to the hometown airline (e.g. AS in SEA, UA or AA in ORD,....)

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: 787seattle
Posted 2008-11-15 22:24:07 and read 10787 times.



Quoting Eyes2thesky (Reply 17):
Does anyone know what airline/aircraft made the first touchdown on each runway (or the first takeoff)?

I think the first touchdown in SEA on the new runway was a NW A330 doing TNGs for FAA certification.

Quoting Eyes2thesky (Reply 17):
Curious if they gave the honors to the hometown airline (e.g. AS in SEA, UA or AA in ORD,....)

Could be AS/QX for SEA but might just be whoever's next in line.

Does anyone know if there is some sort of tradition for new runways like there are water salutes for airplanes?

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Eyes2thesky
Posted 2008-11-15 22:54:52 and read 10692 times.

Quoting 787seattle (Reply 18):
I think the first touchdown in SEA on the new runway was a NW A330 doing TNGs for FAA certification.

Thanks. I guessed wrong on that one.

Quoting 787seattle (Reply 18):
but might just be whoever's next in line.

I suppose if ATC has a lot of planes to move, then it's probably first-come first-served. But I was kind of hoping there would be some kind of ceremony. New runways don't open everyday.

[Edited 2008-11-15 22:55:56]

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: AAH732UAL
Posted 2008-11-16 08:03:31 and read 9476 times.



Quoting Eyes2thesky (Reply 17):

Curious if they gave the honors to the hometown airline (e.g. AS in SEA, UA or AA in ORD,....)

Prolly who ever calls up approach coming from the east first. I mean its big news but not so much that approach can mess up his/her airspace for one airplane.

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Charlib52
Posted 2008-11-16 09:38:15 and read 9361 times.

Quoting Eyes2thesky (Reply 19):
Quoting 787seattle (Reply 18):
I think the first touchdown in SEA on the new runway was a NW A330 doing TNGs for FAA certification.

Thanks. I guessed wrong on that one.

Actually it was indeed an Alaska 738 (non rev):

http://www.alaskasworld.com/Newsroom.../ASfeatures/AS_20081002_150415.asp

It was the first commercial pax aircraft. The true first airplane on the runway was probably the FAA's flight-check aircraft

[Edited 2008-11-16 09:40:32]

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Charlib52
Posted 2008-11-16 09:44:46 and read 9342 times.

Doing some quick searching I also found an interesting and relevant link about Seattle ATC practicing scenarios at McChord AFB:

http://www.amc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123122920

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Sovietjet
Posted 2008-11-16 14:57:51 and read 9125 times.

So what do you guys think will land first at O'hare's new runway? I'm planning on going thursday to take some photos.

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: SkyTaxi
Posted 2008-11-16 15:31:11 and read 9083 times.

Here's a link to the Alaska Airlines 738 landing at Sea's third runway.

http://www.komonews.com/home/video/29775914.html?video=pop&t=a

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: GRRTVC
Posted 2008-11-16 21:04:47 and read 8804 times.

I heard a rumor that President Bush was going to be "opening" each runway on the 20th by being the first to land at each one with Air Force 1. And no not him piloting AF1 but you know what I mean.

GRRTVC

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: HAL
Posted 2008-11-16 22:03:15 and read 9070 times.



Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 4):
Approach doesn't know the condition of the taxiways unless Tower notifies them to hold, slow down, or create more arrival spacing, which means planes pulling off 16R/34L will be waiting short of 16C/34C waiting on tower to find a gab in arrivals, then once he's across, making a departure hold and let all the holding arrivals cross.

This may be a bit esoteric, but after reviewing the charts with our asst. chief pilot, I think there's a dangerous problem brewing at SEA: Once an aircraft lands on the new 16R, there's a separate ground frequency for them on the new taxiway T. The problem is that they are supposed to stay on that ground frequency for the crossing of runways 16C and 16L!!! They are not to contact the tower frequency for those runways! The crossing aircraft won't be able to hear the arriving aircraft on the other two runways, and to me that is a serious loss of situational awareness. I hope that procedure gets changed in a hurry.

HAL

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: EIPremier
Posted 2008-11-17 01:42:15 and read 8914 times.

I heard (several months ago) that they were going to close one of the other runways at SEA for repairs and/or resurfacing after the new runway (16R/34L) opened. Can anyone confirm that?

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: United787
Posted 2008-11-17 07:34:17 and read 8728 times.

I wonder what the new runways at IAD and ORD will do for UA's on-time record. I think UA has a lot to gain here since those are two major hubs for them! Also, didn't DEN open a new runway within the last 1-2 years?

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Pliersinsight
Posted 2008-11-17 07:57:18 and read 8651 times.



Quoting HAL (Reply 26):
They are not to contact the tower frequency for those runways! The crossing aircraft won't be able to hear the arriving aircraft on the other two runways, and to me that is a serious loss of situational awareness. I hope that procedure gets changed in a hurry.

I'd assume that the tower freq. is most likely too busy to monitor on the side, right?

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: AirframeAS
Posted 2008-11-17 08:28:55 and read 8608 times.



Quoting AAH732UAL (Thread starter):
I know the SEA has taken like 4 years...

Uhmm... try 10+ years.... (Think about the environmental lawsuits and delays that contributed to the HUGE delay....)

Quoting 787seattle (Reply 18):
I think the first touchdown in SEA on the new runway was a NW A330 doing TNGs for FAA certification.

An AS 738 did the T&G's.

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: HT
Posted 2008-11-17 09:59:02 and read 8474 times.



Quoting United787 (Reply 28):
Also, didn't DEN open a new runway within the last 1-2 years?

That's been the ultra-long (16,000 ft) runway 16R/34L (still not pictured on Google Maps' aerial shot), bringing up the number of parallel runways to 4. Also, this keeps noise from departing a/c away from the noise-sensitive aeras, mainly located to the west of DIA.
-HT

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: HAL
Posted 2008-11-17 11:26:34 and read 8287 times.



Quoting Pliersinsight (Reply 29):
I'd assume that the tower freq. is most likely too busy to monitor on the side, right?

It's not about the tower being too busy; I'm talking from the pilots point of view. I really don't want to be crossing two active runways without hearing what is going on with those runways, and I don't know of any other airport with multiple parallel runways that operates that way. At all other airports, when you're taxiing across an active runway, you are supposed to be listening to the tower frequency to keep your situational awareness up. Having a setup like this is a runway incursion just waiting to happen.

HAL

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: FrmrCAPCADET
Posted 2008-11-17 12:15:23 and read 8220 times.

At least in the local papers being able to use two runways in all weather was the primary excuse/reason for adding the third one. Are they planning on using all three at the same time on a regular basis?

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Tjwgrr
Posted 2008-11-17 13:41:32 and read 8096 times.



Quoting Sovietjet (Reply 23):
So what do you guys think will land first at O'hare's new runway? I'm planning on going thursday to take some photos.

Probably an RJ since 9L/27R is only 7500'

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: HT
Posted 2008-11-17 14:03:37 and read 8041 times.



Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 34):
Probably an RJ since 9L/27R is only 7500'

Pretty much long enough to handle a lot of bigger a/c types' arrivals.
-HT

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: AirportPlan
Posted 2008-11-17 14:32:40 and read 8034 times.



Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 34):
Quoting Sovietjet (Reply 23):
So what do you guys think will land first at O'hare's new runway? I'm planning on going thursday to take some photos.

Probably an RJ since 9L/27R is only 7500'

Aircraft of all sizes will use ORD 9L-27R. When the A380 came to ORD it landed on 4R which is only 8,000 feet and only used half of that length because it was light (80 passengers) or so. 7,500 feet was chosen because 95%+ of the aircraft operating at ORD use less than 7,500 feet for landings. Also the vast majority of aicraft at ORD also used less than 7,500 feet for departures. For the few aircraft that do need more runway length there are and will be a host of addition East-West parallel runways for pilot to choose from.

10L-28R was just lengthened to 13,000 feet a month ago.
9R-27L (lengthened to 11,260 feet) - 2011
10C-28C (new-10,800 feet) should be completed in 2011.
9C-27C (new-11,245 feet) - 2012
10R-28L (new-7,500 feet) - 2014 (cemetery and remaining houses must be removed)?

Air Force One was suppose to be the first (non test) aircraft the used the new runway but according to Crains Chicago Business that probably won't happen.

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Ckfred
Posted 2008-11-17 14:50:24 and read 7987 times.



Quoting Acey (Reply 3):
Quoting Davescj (Reply 2):
I am so glad for ORD...this should make like there much better for everyone.

Especially on inclement weather days.

My understanding is that the new runway won't be used during inclement weather until Q1 of next year. The City got behind on the new control tower, so the FAA is still in the process of installing and testing equipment. 27R-9L is so far north that it's hard to see aircraft landing and taxiing from the current tower.

But you are right, once the tower is operational, that delays will decline, because ATC will be able to land on 3 runways simultaneously.

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Pliersinsight
Posted 2008-11-17 16:01:30 and read 7879 times.



Quoting HAL (Reply 32):
Quoting Pliersinsight (Reply 29):
I'd assume that the tower freq. is most likely too busy to monitor on the side, right?



Quoting HAL (Reply 32):
At all other airports, when you're taxiing across an active runway, you are supposed to be listening to the tower frequency to keep your situational awareness up.

That's what I meant as in, couldn't you, as pilot, put com 1 on the assigned and monitor tower on com 2 to maintain situational awareness...as to the "busy" part I was getting at listening to two at the same time would be hard if not impossible if there is a lot of traffic, like listening to the TV and stereo in your living room at the same time.

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: AAH732UAL
Posted 2008-11-17 17:08:15 and read 7796 times.



Quoting Pliersinsight (Reply 38):

Not really........ one radio is tuned to ground while the other is talking to comapny, AIRAC, ramp, etc etc....

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: United787
Posted 2008-11-20 10:28:40 and read 7323 times.

Are the runways open yet? Is anyone out there to see it?

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: United1
Posted 2008-11-20 10:34:43 and read 7362 times.



Quoting United787 (Reply 40):
Are the runways open yet? Is anyone out there to see it?

ORDs is...

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6515833

Some great shots of the first comercial flight to land on the runway.

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: EWRandMDW
Posted 2008-11-20 11:11:03 and read 7258 times.

That first flight to land was a UA 757. Had the fire trucks out and the local media was in full force.

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: AABB777
Posted 2008-11-20 11:13:02 and read 7237 times.

AA149 was the first flight to depart IAD's new runway!

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Charlib52
Posted 2008-11-20 11:31:51 and read 7195 times.

Plans call for the first plane to use the new Sea-Tac runway to be an Alaska Airlines flight departing for Denver at around 4 p.m.

http://www.komonews.com/news/34808994.html

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Mason
Posted 2008-11-20 12:09:06 and read 7092 times.



Quoting Charlib52 (Reply 44):
Plans call for the first plane to use the new Sea-Tac runway to be an Alaska Airlines flight departing for Denver at around 4 p.m.

Departing? Interesting, I thought the new strip would be mostly for arrivals. I wonder if this is just for the opening, or if they plan on using 16R for takeoffs normally.

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Sovietjet
Posted 2008-11-20 18:54:40 and read 6754 times.



Quoting EWRandMDW (Reply 42):

I wish I had known this information beforehand so I can go catch it. Either way a photo is in the queue of one of the first aircraft that came after it.

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Apodino
Posted 2008-11-20 19:51:42 and read 6693 times.



Quoting AAH732UAL (Thread starter):
Also for anyone who cares, ORD has had all their star's from the West and South re-done, I am shooting in the dark here but I think the SAYRS2 is the first next gen RNAV star that has been decommissioned. I know its the first to be replaced by a traditional one.

Was just looking at the ORD plates. The ones from the west are still the same (JVL and BDF), but everything from the east has been redone. I am a little surprised by a new traditional procedure on the Northeast Gate. Can't remember the name of the new procedure now, but the SAYRS was put in last year as part of the ORD modernization project and now they abandon it for something else. The SAYRS was put into plave to replace the PMM arrival in order to create three Departure lanes out of ORD and MKE and move the Arrivals further north.

On the Southeast side, the traditional arrivals were redone, and a new RNAV procedure was put in place as well. Which isn't a bad thing, since it seems like the Southeast gate gets affected by weather more than the other three gates.

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Mason
Posted 2008-11-20 22:04:29 and read 6548 times.

This just in from KING 5, some great video of this historic day.

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori...AB_seatac_runway_LJ.1cefdbf1e.html

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Eyes2thesky
Posted 2008-11-20 23:52:41 and read 6455 times.



Quoting AABB777 (Reply 43):
AA149 was the first flight to depart IAD's new runway!

Here's a decent video with the 738 kicking up dust on the takeoff:

http://www.myfoxdc.com/myfox/MyFox/p...tId=7911938&version=1&locale=EN-US

and a story to go along with it:

http://www.myfoxdc.com/myfox/pages/N...EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.1.1

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: UA772IAD
Posted 2008-11-21 00:10:44 and read 6445 times.

Info about IAD's new 1L/19R

On November 20th, Dulles Airport will open its fourth runway. On the same day, OʼHare and Seattle open their new runways. In this brief article I hope to give you an overview of what can be expected operationally. Please remember that there may be growing pains as the airport authority, the controllers and pilots get used to new arrivals, approaches and taxi routes. With that in mind, for the many months, the management at Dulles, FAA and the customers at IAD worked hard to make this transition go as smooth as possible.



The new runway, 1L will initially be CAT I. It will have PAPIʼs and ALSF-2. The ILS will be upgraded after a burn-in period and is expected to be CAT III by next spring.



As far as frequencies are concerned, there are going to be changes. There will be a third tower (local) frequency and a third ground frequency. They will be published in the revision that comes out when the runway opens. Operationally, expect the same controller to work runways 1L and 30. Another controller for 1C and another for 1R. Changes to this will occur depending upon traffic.



Taxi routes at first will be limited. The reason is simple. Taxiways W2, W3 and W4 will not be completed when the runway opens. These taxiways are the ones that intersect the center runway. These projects will be completed next year when 1C undergoes some rehab construction. This construction would cause the closure of 1C for about 4 months and the consensus was to keep the center runway open initially. The taxiways will be built up to 200 feet from runway 1C until the construction package is completed next year. Until then, the only way to get to or from the new runway is via taxiway Q and T. The location of the new runway and the limited taxi routes to this runway have imposed some restrictions you need to be aware of.



First of all, the new runway may initially be used during peak demand only. The 1500L and 1800L time frames for example. The airport will be able to land visually using three parallels either north or south. During visual conditions, expect staggered altitudes while intercepting final. Center runway at 5000, west runway at 4000 and east runway at 3000. During IMC, expect simultaneous approaches. Dulles is in the process of getting a waiver for some of this due to the distance between the runways.



Departures off 30 will continue; however, instead of just spacing the departure around one aircraft on final to 1C, they now must be concerned with spacing and wake turbulence separation with the landing aircraft on 1L. It may take time before the controllers can anticipate the timing of two airplanes on final and launching a runway 30 departure. As pilots, the way we can help, is to be ready to go when they clear us for takeoff. Delays after the clearance is received will reduce the separation. Depending on the runway configuration, the runway 30 controller may or may not be the same one for runway 1C.



Additionally, as far as taxiing to or from the west runway, aircraft movement on Q is impacted by 1C arrivals/19C departures over flying taxiway Q and runway 12/30. This will require pilots to hold short of the 1C-APCH signs when instructed in order to keep the 1C obstruction zone clear. After landing on 19R, expect this kind of phraseology: United 123, taxi via U, T, Q, hold short of 1C approach. The same applies taxiing out and going to runway 1L. The obstruction area must be clear for either a north landing or south departure. When they clear you beyond the 1C APCH, plan on a left turn at either Y, Z or even Y11. Heads up on this, there will be airplanes taxiing south on either Y or Z taxiways headed for departures to runway 30. This will probably be a choke point until the new taxiways get built across 1C. And, by the way, when that happens, it will be the first time here in Dulles you can cross an active runway getting to another runway. Heads up.

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: HT
Posted 2008-11-21 00:40:56 and read 6367 times.



Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 50):
Info about IAD's new 1L/19R

Thanks for the massive info / insights !

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 50):
Taxiways W2, W3 and W4 will not be completed when the runway opens. These taxiways are the ones that intersect the center runway. These projects will be completed next year when 1C undergoes some rehab construction. This construction would cause the closure of 1C for about 4 months

I never figured that it would take that long to connect these taxiways with runway 01C...
-HT

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Apodino
Posted 2008-11-21 02:11:58 and read 6347 times.

On a related note, in CLT 18R-36L has been renamed 18C-36C in conjunction with the new west runway under construction, that will be open sometime next year.

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Acey
Posted 2008-11-21 02:34:54 and read 6337 times.

Thanks for the IAD info! Sounds like there could be some problems if guys aren't careful.

Quoting Apodino (Reply 52):
On a related note, in CLT 18R-36L has been renamed 18C-36C in conjunction with the new west runway under construction, that will be open sometime next year.

And boy does CLT ever need that new runway.

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Panova98
Posted 2008-11-21 09:03:59 and read 6122 times.

Nice to see the opening of the new runway at IAD.

Would be nice if the DC Metro extension to IAD would be completed before all of us, and the airline industry for that matter, are dead and gone!

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: AAH732UAL
Posted 2008-11-21 11:19:07 and read 6030 times.

Quoting Apodino (Reply 47):

I can't believe I said west    I meant the east and south, I feel so embarrassed.

Yeah the SAYRS (1 then 2) was started about 2.5 years ago when they dumped the PMM5. They also added the ROYKO arrival as well.

Since then the ROYKO2 always had the a NOTAM saying the FWA transition was by ATC only. Now the ROYKO3 has that on the chart now, plus sets up the arrivals for a nice downwind in east ops. The WATSN1 is sorta an overlay of the OXI4 (ROYKO1/2 was the overlay of the OXI3 before) which gets planes onto a base for west ops which allows a quick vector to final.

To tell you the truth, the SAYRS arrival really didn't work, now if they would have kept the PMM5 along with it, I think they could have made it work. O well, now the PAITN1 is a combo of the both which IMHO really utilizes Lake Michigan a lot better but still has PAPPI as a fix allowing for ILS or RNAV 22R off PAPPI.

I got a feeling ORD is going to be all RNAV like ATL in the next few years.

Boy, I sure sound like a know-it-all  drunk 

[Edited 2008-11-21 11:25:00]

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2008-11-21 11:45:54 and read 5986 times.



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 7):
Does any one have a map of Dulles Airport and its new Runway ?

http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0812/05100AD.PDF

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Egcarter
Posted 2008-11-21 13:09:02 and read 5893 times.

This was such a big deal (or slow news day?) that NBC Nightly News had a blurb about the new runways on the broadcast Thursday evening.

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: AirframeAS
Posted 2008-11-21 13:17:37 and read 5876 times.



Quoting Eyes2thesky (Reply 49):
Here's a decent video with the 738 kicking up dust on the takeoff:

Beautiful rotation on that 738 from the air, especially the flex of the wings!!  bouncy 

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Alphaomega
Posted 2008-11-21 17:51:15 and read 5752 times.



Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 50):
Info about IAD's new 1L/19R

Sounds like this was straight out of the presentation given by the FAA ATC guys at IAD to us earlier in the month.

1L/19R may also be closed for parking aircraft for the inauguration on Jan 20, and a hold short area between 1L/19R and 1C/19C will definitely be used to park aircraft.

As mentioned, 1L/19R will be initially Cat III however even when it goes to Cat I/II there will still be delays with the hold short area on the taxiway when aircraft are landing on the center runway along with the long taxi time before the new runway is connected to the center runway - I think the important idea is that the new runway will reduce delays over time, but it won't be tomorrow.

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Apodino
Posted 2008-11-21 18:17:37 and read 5725 times.



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 55):
I got a feeling ORD is going to be all RNAV like ATL in the next few years.

I sure hope so. RNAV is the greatest thing since sliced bread for ATC and Pilots, and Airlines. Just for the record, other airports that have gone all RNAV in recent years.

LAS
CLT
MCO
CVG

All three Washington Airports are pretty much all RNAV on the arrival side, but none are currently using RNAV departures. DFW is all RNAV on the Departure side, but still uses pretty much traditional Arrivals.

I think the South Florida airports may be all RNAV, but I am not sure on that.

Half of the PHL arrivals are published as RNAV, but ATC ignores that anyways. Doesn't make sense to me to even have the procedure if they still vector anyways.

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: AAH732UAL
Posted 2008-11-21 19:24:44 and read 5634 times.



Quoting Apodino (Reply 60):

Yeah I know what you mean, I have been non-stop learning/teaching RNAV for like the past 1.5 years and it may end up getting me at least an internship at a RNP company  Smile

Also, PHX (SID/STAR), PDZ and SEA with SIDs. I have noticed how much FL has go to RNAV in the last years as well, its almost like they are testing ground for it seems.

Also, as you said all those RNAV overlays into DCA/IAD are pretty cool toys and IIRC UA was the one the who requested TERPS people to build them.

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: AAH732UAL
Posted 2008-11-21 20:53:11 and read 5545 times.



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 61):
PDZ

PDX*

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Aviators99
Posted 2008-11-21 21:12:54 and read 5521 times.

Landed on 16R at SEA tonight, and waited almost 10 minutes to get to the other side of the runway complex.

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Tjwgrr
Posted 2008-11-22 04:24:13 and read 5426 times.



Quoting Apodino (Reply 47):
Was just looking at the ORD plates. The ones from the west are still the same (JVL and BDF), but everything from the east has been redone. I am a little surprised by a new traditional procedure on the Northeast Gate. Can't remember the name of the new procedure now, but the SAYRS was put in last year as part of the ORD modernization project and now they abandon it for something else. The SAYRS was put into plave to replace the PMM arrival in order to create three Departure lanes out of ORD and MKE and move the Arrivals further north.



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 55):
To tell you the truth, the SAYRS arrival really didn't work, now if they would have kept the PMM5 along with it, I think they could have made it work. O well, now the PAITN1 is a combo of the both which IMHO really utilizes Lake Michigan a lot better but still has PAPPI as a fix allowing for ILS or RNAV 22R off PAPPI.

Looks like the only one that isn't new or changed is the JANESVILLE FOUR:

ORD STARs - Standard Terminal Arrivals
BRADFORD FIVE **CHANGED** (southwest)
JANESVILLE FOUR (northwest)
KNOX FOUR **NEW** (southeast)
PAITN ONE **NEW** (northeast)
ROYKO THREE (RNAV) **NEW** (southeast)
WATSN ONE (RNAV) **NEW** (southeast)

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: Midway7
Posted 2008-11-22 04:55:42 and read 5414 times.

Well, im no expert like some of you that posted recently, but I have to tell you, it was awesome watching ORD on flightaware last night and seeing triple streams of arrivals lining up well over the lake. It seems like the airspace over ORD is much more organized with the new runway. I cant wait to see it in person over Thanksgiving weekend. Hopefully they are landing west....

BK

Topic: RE: New Runways Open In ORD, IAD, SEA
Username: AAH732UAL
Posted 2008-11-22 07:10:49 and read 5357 times.



Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 64):

The BDF5 stayed the same for Jepp charts...... I wonder what changed in the NACO ones.


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