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Topic: When An LX Pilot Loses His Cool
Username: SOBHI51
Posted 2009-02-19 09:18:59 and read 12994 times.

http://www.gadling.com/2009/02/18/an...sks-checkpoint-staff-to-search-th/

Maybe the female F/a should have done the same  duck 

Topic: When An LX Pilot Loses His Cool
Username: SPREE34
Posted 2009-02-19 09:25:56 and read 12946 times.

Not condoning his behavior, but with the crap the crew puts up with day in and day out, knowing it's crap, I'm surprised we don't see more outburst.

Topic: When An LX Pilot Loses His Cool
Username: RussianJet
Posted 2009-02-19 09:27:28 and read 12937 times.

Frustrating though being searched is for all of us who work in airports, there is no excuse for this kind of behaviour. If they were rude to him or whatever, there are ways of dealing with that. What he did was totally unprofessional and demands disciplinary action from the company.

Topic: When An LX Pilot Loses His Cool
Username: HBJZA
Posted 2009-02-19 11:57:30 and read 12563 times.

I would like to congratulate my compatriot. Now it's time that people stop being always shoked and offended by nudity. It's not that much terrible !!!!
I think it's time that security stops "harrassing" cabin and flight-deck crew at security points.....
If crew want to "crash" their aircraft, they don't need any weapon or whatsoever.......there are many dangerous articles on board aircrafts that are totally accessible to cabin crew. And for pilots, they control the aircraft !!!!

Topic: When An LX Pilot Loses His Cool
Username: Swissy
Posted 2009-02-19 12:25:51 and read 12450 times.

I guess it would be a LX pilot......  Wink

As for his action..... cool finally, I am also surprise that there are not more of these cases because of these ridicules crap points for crews....

Was it appropriate? NOT quite

Was it cool? Sure Big grin

Will he "pay" for his action? Sure

The LX livery might be boring however we cannot say that about their crew's Big grin

sandroZRH perhaps take note it might help you.... just look it up in the "free spirited LX crew SOP" manual......

Cheerios,

Topic: When An LX Pilot Loses His Cool
Username: RussianJet
Posted 2009-02-19 12:33:53 and read 12411 times.



Quoting HBJZA (Reply 3):
I would like to congratulate my compatriot. Now it's time that people stop being always shoked and offended by nudity. It's not that much terrible !!!!

It's nothing to do with being offended by nudity. It's outrageously unprofessional, brings the company into serious disrepute, not to mention the fact that indecent exposure is a criminal offence. There is a time and a place for nudity - the workplace is not it.

Quoting HBJZA (Reply 3):
I think it's time that security stops "harrassing" cabin and flight-deck crew at security points.....

Yup, we all hate it, but for the time being at least you just have to grin and bear it. If a person can't even handle going through airport security and adequately prepare for the rules you know exist no matter how silly we may think they are, then they may well be in the wrong profession.

Topic: When An LX Pilot Loses His Cool
Username: OHLHD
Posted 2009-02-19 12:37:49 and read 12388 times.

I just found it funny that there is link to the cockpit stripping F/A. Big grin

I rather watch that then a LX pilot. Big grin

Topic: When An LX Pilot Loses His Cool
Username: Tommione
Posted 2009-02-19 18:54:24 and read 11659 times.

Höhö, a terrorist penis attack...What kind of Newspaper is that?? Smile

Topic: When An LX Pilot Loses His Cool
Username: SB
Posted 2009-02-19 19:54:15 and read 11103 times.

All jokes aside I'm rather pleased someone told UK airport security staff to go (...) even if I'm not sure the method was ideal.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 5):
Yup, we all hate it, but for the time being at least you just have to grin and bear it. If a person can't even handle going through airport security and adequately prepare for the rules you know exist no matter how silly we may think they are, then they may well be in the wrong profession.

The searching of air crew is complete nonsense, for so many reasons I won't even bother listing them. Grinning and bearing isn't the right attitude, as the powers that be will just take more and more.

Last point: every airport in the UK writes it's own rules, and every security officer has his own interpretation thereof. Belt on / off. Laptop in / out. Wings (I kid you not) on / off. Shoes on / off / in a separate scanner... When you deal with this every day and see these people take their job so seriously you start loosing hope for humanity.

S.

Topic: When An LX Pilot Loses His Cool
Username: Airbuster
Posted 2009-02-19 23:32:07 and read 9666 times.



Quoting Tommione (Reply 7):
Höhö, a terrorist penis attack...What kind of Newspaper is that?? 

 rotfl 

I often get annoyed to the way i am treated at security....some of those folks really have the I'M GONNA GET YOU attitude...but some are ok....the best one i had gave me a securitas keyholder.....damn, that REALLY made my day. (cough cough).

Topic: When An LX Pilot Loses His Cool
Username: PanHAM
Posted 2009-02-20 00:24:27 and read 9295 times.

I love the sponsored link beneath the message proclaiming "my wrinkles are all gone".

so much to involuntary comedy. But, somehow fitting to the message.  Big grin


The best one I ever had at the secuity was when that guy questioned the button on my Burlington socks. He really asked me to open the button and it took me a while to explain him that this is a trade mark gimmick. Luckily, I passed after all and made my flight, I did not even have to threaten him that I might take off my socks.

Topic: When An LX Pilot Loses His Cool
Username: 747438
Posted 2009-02-20 01:36:19 and read 8703 times.



Quoting SB (Reply 8):
... When you deal with this every day and see these people take their job so seriously you start loosing hope for humanity.

So aviation security isn't a serious issue?

As crew you should be aware that the same rules at security apply to you as those that apply to passengers. Those rules apply to the security staff too. We are subject to screening many times a day. We just accept that it's part of the job. It's not a major inconvenience.

As for the inconsistencies in the applying of the rules, I fully agree that this needs to be addressed.

Topic: When An LX Pilot Loses His Cool
Username: Wowpeter
Posted 2009-02-20 01:40:10 and read 8694 times.

As I have said before... and I will say it again...

If the security staff really thinks that they need to tell the flight crew to take off his shoe because there might be a possibility of shoe bomb or take off his belt because there might be some sharp object hidden behind the belt, etc etc... this is nuts... if a flight crew want to take down an airplane... they don't need anything to do it... they have control of the airplane and there are enough sharp and dangerous object within the cockpit that they don't need to bring anything inside the cockpit on their own... so all of these added security just drives flight crew nuts, especially those who fly regional flight and have to go through that like 5 or 6 times a day... I think this is especially bad in UK, US and Canadian airport... everywhere else seems to be pretty cool with flight crew.

So I really don't blame the guy to try to prove a point, although he could have use another more appropriate method to do it... I really don't blame him for doing it really...

Topic: RE: When An SR Pilots Looses His Cool
Username: Flymad
Posted 2009-02-20 03:27:40 and read 7922 times.



Quoting HBJZA (Reply 3):
I think it's time that security stops "harrassing" cabin and flight-deck crew at security points.....



Quoting SB (Reply 8):
The searching of air crew is complete nonsense, for so many reasons I won't even bother listing them. Grinning and bearing isn't the right attitude, as the powers that be will just take more and more.

Could it possibly be a knee-jerk reaction to what happened at LHR with the SA crews trying to smuggle drugs into the country. I'm aware in this particular case the pilot was leaving the UK, but possibly security at UK airporfts are just a little touchy at the moment after the two SA incidents.  embarrassed  (for my errant countrymen/women)  twocents 

Topic: RE: When An LX Pilot Loses His Cool
Username: Mighkal
Posted 2009-02-20 03:40:14 and read 7777 times.



Quoting Wowpeter (Reply 12):

Absolutely. But then, we know how charming airport security staffs are

Topic: RE: When An LX Pilot Loses His Cool
Username: Thorben
Posted 2009-02-20 05:24:12 and read 6675 times.

Completely understandable. Security annoys me, too. I can understand that somebody freaks out when he is constantly experiencing this and also as a person controlling the plane, anyway.

Quoting HBJZA (Reply 3):
I would like to congratulate my compatriot. Now it's time that people stop being always shoked and offended by nudity. It's not that much terrible !!!!
I think it's time that security stops "harrassing" cabin and flight-deck crew at security points.....
If crew want to "crash" their aircraft, they don't need any weapon or whatsoever.......there are many dangerous articles on board aircrafts that are totally accessible to cabin crew. And for pilots, they control the aircraft !!!!

100% agree. Why search them like possible hijackers, when they don't have to hijack the plane?

Quoting Tommione (Reply 7):
Höhö, a terrorist penis attack...What kind of Newspaper is that??

One that knows the US pretty well.

Topic: RE: When An LX Pilot Loses His Cool
Username: Semsem
Posted 2009-02-20 06:35:14 and read 5761 times.

I saw a Swiss crew at security at JFK arriving late for their flight. Two years ago they went through the same security as the passengers. The Captain was very nervous and impatient with the security staff. The other crew members did not show it outwardly. At the time my feeling was 'I am glad he is not the pilot of my plane." I don't know why but I prefer a calm pilot.

They then all walked fast to their aircraft. In a way it was interesting to see, as I never thought of a situation like this. I am guessing they got caught up in traffic.

Generally I think crews arrive on their aircraft about 30 minutes before boarding? On a recent AA flight from London the crew were also late. They were walking fast and it was clear they were late. We boarded within about 20 to 30 minutes of their arrival.

Topic: RE: When An LX Pilot Loses His Cool
Username: OA260
Posted 2009-02-20 06:57:51 and read 5441 times.

''Flying Swiss made'' lol...

Was out of order and simply not Swiss lol...

But screeners do take the biscuit sometimes and friends of mine who are crew say that sometimes they get treated like dirt. Still no excuse for exposure though.

Topic: RE: When An LX Pilot Loses His Cool
Username: B747forever
Posted 2009-02-20 07:01:45 and read 5375 times.

Wow, just amazing. He must have had a really, really bad day, or something that we dont know about happened during the security check.

Topic: RE: When An LX Pilot Loses His Cool
Username: Smcmac32msn
Posted 2009-02-20 07:18:41 and read 5134 times.



Quoting 747438 (Reply 11):
So aviation security isn't a serious issue?

As crew you should be aware that the same rules at security apply to you as those that apply to passengers. Those rules apply to the security staff too. We are subject to screening many times a day. We just accept that it's part of the job. It's not a major inconvenience.

Should they be searching them for ailerons and rudders??? The risk in the skies isn't your normal petty violence, its destroying the aircraft and everybody/everything inside. Why are we searching pilots when they can do as they please in the seat??? I understand that there is the risk of impersonators...... but that risk is so insanely small and usually the crews know eachother enough (especially if they RON at an outstation) its not worth checking at most the other airports other than hubs. Even then, most airlines crew rooms can be accessed without going through TSA/Security.

Topic: RE: When An LX Pilot Loses His Cool
Username: Kennyk
Posted 2009-02-20 08:05:21 and read 4495 times.

It's funny that this subject should come up, I was listening to Terry Wogan on Radio 2 this morning and a letter was read out from a listener who is an airline pilot in Scotland. He had a pair of nail clippers confiscated prior to a flight but was later asked to carry a kitchen carving knife set in the cockpit confiscated off a passenger, he said he would put it safely next to the crash axe in the cockpit.

I can appreciate times when you can get really frustrated with Security staff who are usually Jobs Worths and only comment 'I'm doing as I'm told', common sense and initiative are certainly not high on the list on their CVs.

I spent 3 years in the Shetland Islands off the far north of Scotland and flew every few weeks with Loganair. A colleague of mine, an RAF Policeman was always ammused that at one small airport he was always asked to proove his latop by powering it up, a procedure he never had to do at any other airport. This was always prior to flying on an Islander to one of the small islands, maybe we he was going to force the pilot to fly to.... another remote island .  scratchchin  It got to the stage where he once showed his passport to the security dog as he felt it may appreciate it more and have a higher IQ.

Topic: RE: When An LX Pilot Loses His Cool
Username: EDICHC
Posted 2009-02-21 06:42:39 and read 2639 times.



Quoting Kennyk (Reply 20):
I spent 3 years in the Shetland Islands off the far north of Scotland and flew every few weeks with Loganair. A colleague of mine, an RAF Policeman was always ammused that at one small airport he was always asked to proove his latop by powering it up, a procedure he never had to do at any other airport. This was always prior to flying on an Islander to one of the small islands, maybe we he was going to force the pilot to fly to.... another remote island . It got to the stage where he once showed his passport to the security dog as he felt it may appreciate it more and have a higher IQ.

Things have obviusly changed a lot since I worked for LC (a long time ago!). I remember security at LWK was non-existent and pax put thier 'checked' baggage on the back of the baggage truck before entering the building to check in.

Out of curiosity I guess you were stationed at RAF Saxa Vord on Unst, when were you there? Just wondering in case I might have checked you in for your flight

Topic: RE: When An LX Pilot Loses His Cool
Username: Raffik
Posted 2009-02-22 06:01:12 and read 2012 times.

The airport security staff are just doing their jobs, and it really isn't fair to drop your pants because you're having a "bad day".

We all have bad days at work, we all have off days and have stress, but come on, he is not above all others. Security applies to all.

In the United Kingdom, we have specific laws to prosecute people who expose themselves and conduct other innapropriate behaviour.

I don't know why all of you think that he is some kind of hero. Next time I go to the supermarket and have to wait for 10 minutes to be served, I'm going to start shouting my head off to the cashier and then have the indecency to flop my cock at her.

His behaviour was disgusting and he is a disgrace to the airline. I really hope they taken action.


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