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Topic: Monarch & Their A300s
Username: Yendig
Posted 2009-04-17 08:38:04 and read 5377 times.

Hi all.

Just wondering how much longer Monarch will keep their A300s in service and which routes they operate on. Can anybody out there help, please?

I realise that there have been similar posts before, but the most relevant is a couple of years old now & I'm hoping to travel on one this year (nearly made it on one last October but it was replaced with a 752 after going tech).

Thanks,

Paul

Topic: RE: Monarch & Their A300s
Username: Flyingfox27
Posted 2009-04-17 08:43:17 and read 5374 times.

They might keep them and become an all airbus operator maybe as they are retiring the 757's, so they will have a A300/A320/A321/A330 fleet.

Not sure what they will do with the 767 unless they sold it already?

Topic: RE: Monarch & Their A300s
Username: Bennett123
Posted 2009-04-17 09:31:18 and read 5278 times.

I think that they have ordered B787's.

If so, the A300's prob have another couple of years.

Topic: RE: Monarch & Their A300s
Username: CHRISBA777ER
Posted 2009-04-17 09:34:32 and read 5262 times.

They have some 788s on the way, and these will replace the A300s as and when they finally arrive.

As for routes - they do mainly Canary Islands routes from LGW and Egyptian/Cyprus routes as well. I've certainly seen them at SSH, LCA and TFS and obviously MAN and LGW.

They are still nicer inside and nicer to fly on than the short-haul config Thomson 767s - even now. Elderly birds though.

Topic: RE: Monarch & Their A300s
Username: PlymSpotter
Posted 2009-04-17 09:57:24 and read 5205 times.

Historically they have flown one of the Friday and Saturday charter flights from LGW to MAH, I've seen them there year after year, but admitedly not last year as I wasn't in Spain over the summer.

Try giving the airline a call; they didn't used to be of much use, but now they charge you for extra legroom seats and for pre-allocated seating, they have to have a map of the aircraft handy which will tell you what type it is. Good luck with the 9 abrest seating though!


Dan  Smile

Topic: RE: Monarch & Their A300s
Username: GAWZU
Posted 2009-04-17 09:59:24 and read 5199 times.

I think the A300s were originally slated for retirement around about now, but as indicated above, will now stay until the 787s are on line.

Other rumours suggest that additional A330s (a couple?) might be joining next year to help bridge the gap as well.

Topic: RE: Monarch & Their A300s
Username: CHRISBA777ER
Posted 2009-04-17 10:09:13 and read 5173 times.



Quoting GAWZU (Reply 5):
Other rumours suggest that additional A330s (a couple?) might be joining next year to help bridge the gap as well.

I heard that one too - not RR birds though i hear?

Topic: RE: Monarch & Their A300s
Username: Yendig
Posted 2009-04-18 09:56:59 and read 4645 times.

Thanks for all of the info, folks!

I saw my (well, AA's!) A300 waiting on the ramp for me to board & but was then told it'd gone tech. I was gutted. The trip had been planned around geting on as many different aircraft as possible, especially those becoming scarce in Europe.

Mmmmm......Egypt is sounding good for a holiday.......

Cheers,

Paul

Topic: RE: Monarch & Their A300s
Username: FlyingAY
Posted 2009-04-18 10:02:11 and read 4624 times.



Quoting Yendig (Reply 7):
Mmmmm......Egypt is sounding good for a holiday.......

Maybe you could combine that A300 with MS's A342, if you haven't been on that one still.  Wink

Topic: RE: Monarch & Their A300s
Username: Gilesdavies
Posted 2009-04-18 12:04:11 and read 4477 times.

Monarch's A300's are now expected to remain in the fleet for another 3-5 years.

They have ordered six 787-8's (with options for four more) from Boeing, and they intended to standardise the entire widebodied fleet with just the one aircraft type. The single 767-300 and two A330-200's are also slated for retirement, as and when the 787-8's arrive... Operating a fleet of only seven widebodied aircraft, of which are three different types comes at a cost!

The first 787s were due to arrive in the fleet late 2010, but with the ongoing delays to the 787 program it is expected these are now not due to arrive until the start of 2012. So this has inevitably extended their life with the airline.

Before the delays to the 787 program were announced, I had heard from third party sources (not 100% reliable), that the airline was intending to retire the A330's first, followed by the 767 which are the main long haul workhorses. This was due to them being able to introduce a new long haul product, which Monarch has long being playing catch-up behind the likes of Thomas Cook, Thomson and First Choice - who all offer PTV's and greater leg room. But Monarch is reluctant to refurb the existing fleet.

I suppose also as the A330-200's are relatively new and would be worth more in the second hand market the sooner they are sold and with less cycles.

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I love Monarch's A300's and think they have been such a great and loyal aircraft in the fleet. Its just testament to the airline, on how well they have maintained them and been such a reliable aircraft.

I read somewhere about two years ago, that Monarch's A300 had the highest dispatch reliability of any airline in the world operating the type, while having the highest optimisation.

Unlike the older 767's about today, the A300 still had a nice light and airy feel, and feel reasonably modern. I'm not at all keen on the charter config of 8 across in the 767's, but I find the 9 across config of the A300/A310's more tolerable and not as claustrophobic.

It's also great from my perspective seeing what is now becoming a rare aircraft in skies and airports around the UK and Europe!

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 3):
They are still nicer inside and nicer to fly on than the short-haul config Thomson 767s - even now. Elderly birds though.

They are not really all that old they were delivered between 1990 and 1993... Still many years left in them! I expect DHL or UPS will snap them up for cargo aircrafts after their life with Monarch, but I suppose this depends on their cycle life too, as these are well used!

[Edited 2009-04-18 12:10:36]

Topic: RE: Monarch & Their A300s
Username: Kappel
Posted 2009-04-18 13:20:58 and read 4384 times.



Quoting Yendig (Reply 7):
I saw my (well, AA's!) A300 waiting on the ramp for me to board & but was then told it'd gone tech. I was gutted. The trip had been planned around geting on as many different aircraft as possible, especially those becoming scarce in Europe.

If you still need the a300 in your log, you could also try LH. I just did AMS-FRA-ATH-FRA-AMS with LH, and the legs to and from ATH were with the a300. Great flights, great plane. And much more comfortable than Monarch I'd wager. Besides, LH has got some great offers at the moment for various destinations.

Topic: RE: Monarch & Their A300s
Username: Kevin
Posted 2009-04-18 14:32:18 and read 4297 times.

There was one in Calgary today. I think the route is Calgary - Goose Bay - London Gatwick

Topic: RE: Monarch & Their A300s
Username: BlueShamu330s
Posted 2009-04-19 03:21:15 and read 4121 times.

Monarch, love, no, adore the A300-600R.

All the plaudits people lay on the 757, so the same can be said of the 306 at MON.

Thoroughly versatile, it can do a quick hop to MAH, have a one hour turnaround and then go off to BGR/SFB, carrying exactly the same number of pax as it's larger 330 cousin.

Totally reliable, the 306 is indeed the most reliable aircraft in the fleet - ever, and puts AA's examples to total shame.

It's a payload gobbler (scuse the phrase) and a true charter Air Bus. The 757 can easily do a LXR or SSH, but there is zero potential for freight uplift. Cue the 306, which will take a full passenger load and, as far as I'm aware, has never maxed out on either weight or bulk whilst carrying a healthy and highly lucrative freight load on a 6 hour stint to or from Egypt.

It's a charter carrier's wet dream of an aircraft and MON will struggle to find a replacement quite so versatile, rugged and cheap to operate.

Rgds

Topic: RE: Monarch & Their A300s
Username: SAAB900
Posted 2009-04-19 03:49:05 and read 4075 times.



Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 12):
The 757 can easily do a LXR or SSH, but there is zero potential for freight uplift. Cue the 306, which will take a full passenger load and, as far as I'm aware, has never maxed out on either weight or bulk whilst carrying a healthy and highly lucrative freight load on a 6 hour stint to or from Egypt.

It's a charter carrier's wet dream of an aircraft and MON will struggle to find a replacement quite so versatile, rugged and cheap to operate.

If this is the case why then have they not bought more of them to replace the 757's? The A321's that are supposed to be replacing the 757's IIRC are having to make a refueling stop or are payload restricted on some of the routes, wouldn't an A300 make more sense? Most places the B757/A321 visit can take A300's!

I must admit I fancy a Monarch A300 flight this year as well! With Lufthansa putting most of their's into storage & their well known change of equipment on flight's scheduled for an A300 I think Monarch are top of the list!

Dave(SAAB900)

Topic: RE: Monarch & Their A300s
Username: BlueShamu330s
Posted 2009-04-19 04:31:01 and read 4012 times.



Quoting SAAB900 (Reply 13):
If this is the case why then have they not bought more of them to replace the 757's?

It's not a 757 replacement nor was it ever considered such. It's a big incremental step in capacity (235 v 365), simply too much aircraft for many 757/A321 routes.

The A306 has had its heyday and it has been a great stalwart of the fleet. Technologies move on though and engineering costs increase incrementally with hours and age. That is the only reason the big 'Bus will be retired.

I wonder if MON had ever been interested in the 783 before going for the 788; just pondering, I wonder if that is/was the closest thing to an A306 replacement for Monarch's route/customer structure and cost base.


Rgds

Topic: RE: Monarch & Their A300s
Username: Caaardiff
Posted 2009-04-19 05:27:29 and read 3938 times.

Monarch's A300's are coming up to their 20yr maintenance checks, which is going to be a hefty cost and take each one out of service for some time. But as they are keeping them until the 7late7 arrives, its got to be done.
However, they are also massive money makers for Monarch, as they own the aircraft outright. No leasing costs etc, and as already stated, they are so versatile on the routes they can operate. Whilst Monarch only have a small long haul fleet, they still have the A300's to fall back on should anything go wrong. I know they were heavily untilised when both A330's were knackered last year.

Topic: RE: Monarch & Their A300s
Username: Bennett123
Posted 2009-04-19 06:49:56 and read 3865 times.

SAAB900

There is anyother reason for not getting more A300-600's.

This is my record of all remaining A300-600's newer than G-MONR and not yet converted to Cargo.

Most of them are not currently available.


0540 G-MONR 60,225 Hrs 1989
0546 D-AIAR ST 2008-2009+ 1989
0553 D-AIAS ST 2008-2009+ 1989
0556 G-MONS 60,602 Hrs 1990
0558 TS-IPA 1990
0563 TS-IPB 1990
0566 HS-TAK 1990
0569 HS-TAL 1990
0577 HS-TAM 1990
0582 HL7295 1990
0584 TC-OAH 1990
0601 TS-IAX 1991
0602 JA8375 1991
0603 TC-OAX 1991
0604 G-MAJS 56,944 Hrs 1991
0605 G-OJMR 56,798 Hrs 1991
0606 N3075A 1991
0608 D-AIAY ST 2009- 1991
0609 HL7297 1991
0610 N7076A 1991
0612 N14077 1991
0615 N34078 ST 2008- 1991
0616 TS-IAZ 1991
0617 JA8376 1991
0618 D-AIAT 1991
0619 N70079 ST 2009- 1991
0621 JA8377 1991
0623 D-AIAU 1991
0626 N77080 1991
0627 HL7239 1992
0628 HS-TAN 1992
0629 HS-TAO 1992
0630 A7-AFA 1992
0631 HL7240 1992
0632 EP-IBC 1992
0637 JA8558 1992
0639 N59081 ST 2009- 1992
0641 JA8559 1992
0643 N7082A ST 2009- 1992
0645 N7083A ST 2009- 1992
0662 HL7241 1992
0666 ST-ATB 1992
0670 JA8561 1992
0673 9K-AMA 1992
0675 N80084 1992
0679 JA8562 1992
0681 HS-TAR 1993
0683 JA8563 1993
0685 HL7242 1993
0688 A7-ABW 1993
0692 HL7243 1993
0694 9K-AMB 1993
0696 EP-IBD 1993
0699 9K-AMC 1993
0701 D-AIAZ 1993
0703 JA8564 1993
0705 HS-TAS 1993
0707 B-2318 1993
0711 JA8565 1993
0717 HL7299 1993
0719 9K-AMD 1993
0721 9K-AME 1993
0722 HL7244 1993
0723 EP-IBA 1993
0724 JA8527 1994
0725 B-2324 1994
0727 EP-IBB 1994
0729 JA8529 1994
0730 JA8566 1994
0731 HL7245 1994
0732 B-2319 1994
0734 B-2316 1994
0737 JA8573 1994
0739 B-2323 1994
0740 JA8574 1994
0741 B-2317 1994
0743 B-18576 1994
0744 TC-OAA 1994
0746 B-2325 1994
0747 TC-OAG 1994
0749 TC-OAB 1995
0750 B-2327 1995
0753 JA8657 1995
0754 B-2326 1995
0756 B-2328 1995
0762 B-2329 1995
0763 B-2330 1995
0764 TC-OAO 1996
0770 JA8659 1996
0773 D-AIAX 1996
0775 TF-ELC 1996
0782 HS-TAT 1998
0783 JA011D 1998
0784 HS-TAW 1998
0785 HS-TAX 1998
0786 HS-TAY 1998
0787 HS-TAZ 1998
0836 JA014D 2002
0837 JA015D 2002
0838 JA016D 2002

Once you narrow it down to those that are available, you get the following;

0546 D-AIAR ST 2008-2009+ 1989
0553 D-AIAS ST 2008-2009+ 1989
0608 D-AIAY ST 2009- 1991
0615 N34078 ST 2008- 1991
0619 N70079 ST 2009- 1991
0639 N59081 ST 2009- 1992
0643 N7082A ST 2009- 1992
0645 N7083A ST 2009- 1992

Of these eight, 5 are ex AA. Whilst doubtless still airworthy, those on this site who know of AA constantly complain about their reliability. This leaves us with 3 ex LH aircraft that are just as old as the MON ones.

No point in switching.

Topic: RE: Monarch & Their A300s
Username: Gilesdavies
Posted 2009-04-19 07:02:54 and read 3843 times.

And, I bet you Monarch's A300's are probably some of the best maintained ones still in operation!

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 12):
Thoroughly versatile, it can do a quick hop to MAH, have a one hour turnaround and then go off to BGR/SFB, carrying exactly the same number of pax as it's larger 330 cousin.

Totally agree with you!

Last summer the A300's were operating W flights into LTN, to Palma. One Saturday I was there spotting and the A300 was delayed, arriving about 45mins late into LTN, the aircraft was turned around and back on its way to PMI in about 40mins! But in all fairness I suppose the ground support are the heroes there!

Topic: RE: Monarch & Their A300s
Username: CRJ900
Posted 2009-04-19 07:25:07 and read 3808 times.

Is it cheaper to fly an A306 on long flights with a fuel stop than fly the A332 nonstop?

Like UK - Bangor/Gander - Florida/Carribbean on A306 vs UK - Florida on A332?

Topic: RE: Monarch & Their A300s
Username: AAMDanny
Posted 2009-04-19 08:47:01 and read 3743 times.



Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 18):
Is it cheaper to fly an A306 on long flights with a fuel stop than fly the A332 nonstop?

Like UK - Bangor/Gander - Florida/Carribbean on A306 vs UK - Florida on A332?

Non-stop with a A332.

E.g. LGW-BGR-SFB would require Take-off+Landing fee's for LGW+BGR+SFB
Where as a non-stop service would require only two of these fee's for LGW+SFB.

I'm not sure what the fuel burn difference is between the A306 vs A332 but my moneys on the A332 being the more cost effective of the two,.

However, the A306's are brillaint versatile aircraft as many others in the thread have discussed with there durability for short, medium and long haul operations, even with a fuel stop en-route. Brilliant for standby aircraft if a A332 ever does go tech too!!!

Topic: RE: Monarch & Their A300s
Username: SAAB900
Posted 2009-04-19 17:11:32 and read 3484 times.



Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 16):

Once you narrow it down to those that are available, you get the following;

0546 D-AIAR ST 2008-2009+ 1989
0553 D-AIAS ST 2008-2009+ 1989
0608 D-AIAY ST 2009- 1991
0615 N34078 ST 2008- 1991
0619 N70079 ST 2009- 1991
0639 N59081 ST 2009- 1992
0643 N7082A ST 2009- 1992
0645 N7083A ST 2009- 1992

Of these eight, 5 are ex AA. Whilst doubtless still airworthy, those on this site who know of AA constantly complain about their reliability. This leaves us with 3 ex LH aircraft that are just as old as the MON ones.

No point in switching

Bennett123,
Yes I see your point, looks like good 2nd hand A300's are thin on the ground!

Dave(SAAB900)

Topic: RE: Monarch & Their A300s
Username: Yendig
Posted 2009-04-20 02:42:24 and read 3383 times.



Quoting FlyingAY (Reply 8):
Maybe you could combine that A300 with MS's A342, if you haven't been on that one still.

I'd very much like to, although I'm not too certain my better half would tolerate being taken to Egypt then connecting on to the A342 for a longhaul flight! She shouldn't need too much convincing to go to Egypt as a final destination, though (blissfully unaware that I finally get to travel on an A300!).

Topic: RE: Monarch & Their A300s
Username: Leej
Posted 2009-04-20 03:31:13 and read 3329 times.

Yendig - our flying contract this season is LGW-DLM Saturdays on the MON 7208/9 A300 departing 09.10 - PM me with dates and I'll see what I can do!

Topic: RE: Monarch & Their A300s
Username: BmiBaby737
Posted 2009-04-20 12:38:52 and read 3116 times.

According to Jethros Fleet Listings, G-DIMB 767 is going to Thomas Cook next month...

Topic: RE: Monarch & Their A300s
Username: Flybehubby
Posted 2009-04-21 05:11:35 and read 2966 times.

Im sure this just be unfortunate timing but "Monarch A306 at London on Apr 20th 2009, three rejected takeoffs"

http://avherald.com/h?article=41867bce&opt=0

Topic: RE: Monarch & Their A300s
Username: CHRISBA777ER
Posted 2009-04-21 05:34:06 and read 2929 times.

I love the Monarch A300s.

Perhaps we should organise a mini-meet to go on one? Good excuse to have a few beers too.

Topic: RE: Monarch & Their A300s
Username: Flybehubby
Posted 2009-04-21 05:56:33 and read 2916 times.

 checkmark  agreed! I had chance to go on an AA one too.


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