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Topic: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: JustPlanes
Posted 2009-04-25 10:50:54 and read 19109 times.

For a place like Logan I didn't think that was too bad...
2 BA's
1 Virgin
1 Lufthansa
1 Air France
all landing this afternoon...

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: Iligano
Posted 2009-04-25 10:58:09 and read 19035 times.

These are all literary agents, coming to sign a movie deal (and rights to license apparel) with the Somali Pirate!  white 

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: SeaBosDca
Posted 2009-04-25 12:13:03 and read 18651 times.

The European tourists all booked on the one weekend of the entire year when Boston will have decent weather.  duck 

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: Styles9002
Posted 2009-04-25 12:31:20 and read 18545 times.



Quoting Iligano (Reply 1):
The European tourists all booked on the one weekend of the entire year when Boston will have decent weather. duck

Hardly a true statement. BOS enjoys all 4 seasons in a year and has a long, fine summer.

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: UN_B732
Posted 2009-04-25 12:36:07 and read 18484 times.

I wonder if this is because of the end of spring break in MA. I flew out of BOS last weekend, and the combination of the marathon + start of spring break had pretty much everything over the atlantic oversold, except (oddly enough) LX.

-A

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: Onetogo
Posted 2009-04-25 12:43:30 and read 18422 times.

Not terribly surprising. So we're getting a few 747's instead of A340's. No biggie.

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: Pyrex
Posted 2009-04-25 12:49:26 and read 18348 times.

Maybe this is because of the Volvo Ocean Race, which is supposed to arrive in Boston on Monday. Then again, this isn't a huge increase in capacity, is it? AF usually flies their 747s in, and one of the two daily BA frequencies is a B747 as well, if I am not mistaken (the other one being a 777-200ER).

Does anyone know if there are any planned capacity increases for commencment season, coming up in a few weeks?

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: Onetogo
Posted 2009-04-25 13:01:57 and read 18259 times.



Quoting Pyrex (Reply 6):
Then again, this isn't a huge increase in capacity, is it?

Nope. Not at all.

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 6):
AF usually flies their 747s in, and one of the two daily BA frequencies is a B747 as well, if I am not mistaken (the other one being a 777-200ER).

Correct.

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 6):
Does anyone know if there are any planned capacity increases for commencment season, coming up in a few weeks?

None. Probably see a good amount of extra GA traffic into KBED and the other BOS sats.

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: Rolfen
Posted 2009-04-25 13:09:29 and read 18202 times.

There should be a market for the a380 then, right?

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: Revelation
Posted 2009-04-25 13:21:05 and read 18086 times.



Quoting Rolfen (Reply 8):
There should be a market for the a380 then, right?

Sure, once BA, LH, AF and VS merge!  rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: Davehammer
Posted 2009-04-25 13:36:06 and read 17835 times.

BOS will be getting BA 747's on 2 out of the 3 rotations throughout the summer. Looks like VS will be doing the same on its 1x daily.

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: GothamSpotter
Posted 2009-04-25 14:10:23 and read 17260 times.



Quoting Iligano (Reply 1):
These are all literary agents, coming to sign a movie deal (and rights to license apparel) with the Somali Pirate!

He's in New York.

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: Lemmy
Posted 2009-04-25 15:22:54 and read 16233 times.



Quoting Styles9002 (Reply 3):
BOS enjoys all 4 seasons in a year

And often all 4 seasons in one day!

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: Lufthansa411
Posted 2009-04-25 17:04:52 and read 14791 times.



Quoting Rolfen (Reply 8):
There should be a market for the a380 then, right?

Spoken like someone who has never been around Terminal E gates 7-8 during the late afternoon.  Wink

Seriously though, the way Massport operates, the A380 will never be an option for Boston, no matter how much it would be needed. When Massport revamped terminal E, they went the cheap way and decided to just renovate the existing building, rather than starting from scratch. The result is a building that is getting to small for what it has now, never mind growth. There are single jetbridges, the lounge facilities are to small to accomodate the amount of premium passengers that would be in them at one time, the interior of the terminal is narrow.

In short, unless they started from scratch or put the A380 at another terminal, you won't be seeing it in Boston any time soon, save for a diversion, and that would be at a remote stand.

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: FiestaFlight
Posted 2009-04-25 20:37:44 and read 12350 times.

My office is across the harbor from Logan-I have a clear view of all active runways. It's cool that those 4 airlines still fly the 747 into BOS, but they mix it up w their other long haul types. You never really know what you'll happen to see on final when you go over to the water cooler by the windows! There's usually atleast 2 or 3 747s every afternoon. Sometimes 5.

Every time I see the AF 747, I know it won't be comin' around much longer...

I also noticed NW/Delta A330s from AMS now operate at Terminal A. I didn't realize the switch occurred until a week or 2 ago. I can now see the tall tail whereas Terminal E was obscured from our view.

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: Rampart
Posted 2009-04-25 21:10:21 and read 12005 times.



Quoting Lemmy (Reply 12):
Quoting Styles9002 (Reply 3):
BOS enjoys all 4 seasons in a year

And often all 4 seasons in one day!

I was going to say that 3 of those seasons were compressed into 4 months centered on July 1.

-Rampart

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: Onetogo
Posted 2009-04-25 21:43:01 and read 11689 times.



Quoting FiestaFlight (Reply 14):
I also noticed NW/Delta A330s from AMS now operate at Terminal A. I didn't realize the switch occurred until a week or 2 ago

Saw that as well. I think I saw a couple Compass echo jets over at A also.

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: BlatantEcho
Posted 2009-04-25 21:50:07 and read 11603 times.

I'm flying in for the Volvo Ocean Race arrival, and there are a metric ton of support teams coming from all over the world, but I don't think that accounts for a large %, maybe a few though.

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: Tonystan
Posted 2009-04-26 11:48:32 and read 5551 times.



Quoting Styles9002 (Reply 3):
BOS enjoys all 4 seasons in a year and has a long, fine summer.

And sometimes even in one day!!!!

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: SeaBosDca
Posted 2009-04-26 11:50:13 and read 5546 times.



Quoting Rampart (Reply 15):

I was going to say that 3 of those seasons were compressed into 4 months centered on July 1.

 thumbsup  Big grin

That's about it... 8 and a half months of winter, two weeks of spring, two months of summer, and a month of fall.  duck 

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: JustPlanes
Posted 2009-04-26 13:07:25 and read 5404 times.

I guess its no biggie... but I worked at Logan for 10 years and never saw 5 B747s coming in an afternoon...

Quoting Lufthansa411 (Reply 13):
Seriously though, the way Massport operates, the A380 will never be an option for Boston, no matter how much it would be needed. When Massport revamped terminal E, they went the cheap way and decided to just renovate the existing building, rather than starting from scratch. The result is a building that is getting to small for what it has now, never mind growth. There are single jetbridges, the lounge facilities are to small to accomodate the amount of premium passengers that would be in them at one time, the interior of the terminal is narrow.

1) To alleviate the problem in Terminal E Massport should allow others such as A and B to have their own customs facilities so airlines like AA, AF, NW etc... could operate right into A and B freeing up space in E and and avoiding a/c repositioning... I can't imagine how much fun it must be for NW/DL to reposition their A330 all the way from E to A!

2) Boston being the 1st big city coming from Europe could really be a hub for some airline if there was an adequate airport but Logan lacks space. They had a gate issue in 2000, how is this ever going to get better...
Build a new airport 20-30 miles from the city with a high speed train and keep Logan for shuttles to NYC, WAS etc...

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: Enginebird
Posted 2009-04-26 14:33:44 and read 5233 times.



Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 4):
I flew out of BOS last weekend, and the combination of the marathon + start of spring break had pretty much everything over the atlantic oversold, except (oddly enough) LX.

I was flying out on LX to ZRH late on Marathon Monday and it was packed, not a single empty seat. Terrible experience in the cramped LX seating. -- LH had some capacity problems that day, as they had cancelled the second daily flight to FRA a few weeks earlier, forcing them to rebook many passengers including me.

Quoting Tonystan (Reply 18):
Quoting Styles9002 (Reply 3):
BOS enjoys all 4 seasons in a year and has a long, fine summer.

And sometimes even in one day!!!!

I've always liked Boston weather, minus the wind. You get great spring days in March and April and an incredible Indian Summer with warm days well into October and November.

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: ChrisNH
Posted 2009-04-26 15:13:01 and read 5150 times.

With all this robustness in transatlantic traffic into/out of Boston, I'm still surprised that AA downgraded to 763s on their London flights. What's the loss of seats going from a 777 to a 763...10%?

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: KBUF
Posted 2009-04-26 20:50:31 and read 4858 times.

Clearly it was because the Yankees were in town to play the Sox  Wink

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: ScottB
Posted 2009-04-26 21:38:44 and read 4766 times.



Quoting JustPlanes (Reply 20):
Build a new airport 20-30 miles from the city

Good luck with actually finding enough open land within 60 miles of Boston and then getting the neighboring communities to actually go along with that new airport and the new high-speed rail line as well as access road improvements.

Quoting JustPlanes (Reply 20):
Boston being the 1st big city coming from Europe could really be a hub for some airline

BOS doesn't work as a hub because it is in a corner, geographically speaking. And while it does have healthy international traffic, it's not as strong as other hub cities in "corners" like MIA, LAX, or JFK/EWR. Northwest tried a BOS gateway about twenty years ago and Braniff tried it about thirty years ago. With reasonably frequent service to all the major domestic airline hubs as well as significant point-to-point service, it would be difficult to build loyalty with one or two daily flights to most domestic cities timed for connections with the international banks.

Quoting JustPlanes (Reply 20):
They had a gate issue in 2000

More to the point, BOS has issues with gate-squatting.

Quoting Enginebird (Reply 21):
You get great spring days in March and April

And you can count those "great spring days in March and April" on one hand. You also get wretched winter days in March and April.

Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 19):
8 and a half months of winter

That's much closer to the truth.

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: Enginebird
Posted 2009-04-27 01:20:45 and read 4564 times.



Quoting ScottB (Reply 24):
And you can count those "great spring days in March and April" on one hand. You also get wretched winter days in March and April.

Sorry, offtopic :
Well, tastes differ. Nothing beats a run around Chestnut Hill Reservoir on a cool and sunny spring day -- nice cool dry weather for the marathon last week, too, except for the wind. And, the fall is generally awesome.

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: Jfk777
Posted 2009-04-27 04:46:21 and read 4441 times.



Quoting JustPlanes (Reply 20):
) To alleviate the problem in Terminal E Massport should allow others such as A and B to have their own customs facilities so airlines like AA, AF, NW etc... could operate right into A and B freeing up space in E and and avoiding a/c repositioning... I can't imagine how much fun it must be for NW/DL to reposition their A330 all the way from E to A!

Massport seems t be allergic to having 2 or 3 FIS facilities at BOS, it would make the airport much better. Terminals A, B & E should have FIS capability. Delta and AA would add more international flights and Air France could operate from terminal A. If terminal C ever needed to operate international flights they could have a choice to clear customs at either terminal B or E, imagine that a choice at Logan.

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: RL757PVD
Posted 2009-04-27 05:09:36 and read 4357 times.



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 26):
Massport seems t be allergic to having 2 or 3 FIS facilities at BOS, it would make the airport much better. Terminals A, B & E should have FIS capability. Delta and AA would add more international flights and Air France could operate from terminal A. If terminal C ever needed to operate international flights they could have a choice to clear customs at either terminal B or E, imagine that a choice at Logan.

I fail to see how having an FIS in Term A all of a sudden makes a flight more viable to where airlines would add more international flights. The only inconvenience is the towing of the aircraft to the other terminal. connecting from E INTL to domestic A is no different than arriving INTL in ATL and going to concourse A. In both cases you have to go through security and its about a 5-10 minute walk.

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: Aviateur
Posted 2009-04-27 06:01:59 and read 4233 times.

Off the top of my head... airlines that have / had regular, scheduled 747 service to BOS...

THEN:

TWA (including SP !)
Pan Am
Braniff
BOAC
Northwest
Olympic
Korean
Flying Tigers
Seaboard World
Plus semi-regular charters by World Airways, Trans International/Transamerica

NOW:

British Airways
Lufthansa
Virgin
Air France


Who am I forgetting?

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: Tommyy
Posted 2009-04-27 06:36:00 and read 4137 times.

Dont worry, they will be gone soon, they only came to see the Yankees play  Big grin

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: Airbazar
Posted 2009-04-27 07:46:18 and read 4045 times.



Quoting JustPlanes (Reply 20):
I guess its no biggie... but I worked at Logan for 10 years and never saw 5 B747s coming in an afternoon...

You must have not been payoing too much attention  Smile BA/AF/LH/VS all operate 747's regularly to BOS, or have in the recent past. It's not unusual to see 2 BA 747's parked at terminal E. Within the last 10 years you would have also seen a 747 from NW, Korean Air and possibly Swissair. Further back you would have seen one from Olympic, Aer Lingus and iirc, Alitalia.

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: ChrisNH
Posted 2009-04-27 11:38:24 and read 3795 times.



Quoting Aviateur (Reply 28):
THEN:

TWA (including SP !)
Pan Am
Braniff
BOAC
Northwest
Olympic
Korean
Flying Tigers
Seaboard World
Plus semi-regular charters by World Airways, Trans International/Transamerica

NOW:

British Airways
Lufthansa
Virgin
Air France


Who am I forgetting?

Aer Lingus flew 747-200s through Boston; Swissair flew 747-300s. United, TWA (the SP) and American also did. The TWA 747-SP was decorated with 'Spirit of Boston' nose art. It flew Rome-Boston-LAX I believe.

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: COflyerBOS
Posted 2009-04-27 16:10:16 and read 3574 times.

I flew out of Boston last Sunday. I saw two 330s for Aer Lingus, a 747 and 340 for Lufthansa, a BA 744, and a VS 744. There was also a 330 at Terminal A at the satellite gates (i fly mostly with CO out of BOS if that wasn't obvious enough by my screen name).

As for Boston weather, ughhh. Winter is long and windy. It gets dark so damn early in December and January. And while Spring is stunning, it seems to take forever to arrive. Too many months of death (lots of bare trees, no greenery to speak of, lots of brown, salted roads, etc...).

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: Aviateur
Posted 2009-04-27 18:31:51 and read 3475 times.



Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 31):
Aer Lingus flew 747-200s through Boston; Swissair flew 747-300s.

Duh! How did I leave those out?

And I remember those "Spirit of Boston" TWA SPs. Actually, didn't it say "Boston Express"?

But as for AA and UA, were those regularly scheduled 747s, or occasionals? I remember AA often ran charters to LAX in the late '70s, but I don't recall regular visits.

PS

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: Pyrex
Posted 2009-04-27 18:56:05 and read 3410 times.



Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 32):
As for Boston weather, ughhh. Winter is long and windy. It gets dark so damn early in December and January.

Yes, but at least the winter is sunny, you get plenty of light, not depressing at all.

And I don't know why people say it is windy, never really felt like it to me.

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: SeaBosDca
Posted 2009-04-27 18:59:19 and read 3407 times.



Quoting Enginebird (Reply 21):
I've always liked Boston weather, minus the wind. You get great spring days in March and April and an incredible Indian Summer with warm days well into October and November.



Quoting Pyrex (Reply 34):

And I don't know why people say it is windy, never really felt like it to me.

Have a look at some US weather statistics... Boston is the windiest major city in the country (much more so than "windy" Chicago).

Anyone who's been through a few Boston winters, when it is often both windy and well below freezing for weeks on end, knows just what that wind can do  cold .

Topic: RE: 5 B747-400s En Route To Boston
Username: Airbazar
Posted 2009-04-27 19:24:39 and read 3374 times.



Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 35):
Have a look at some US weather statistics... Boston is the windiest major city in the country (much more so than "windy" Chicago).

It is windy here and cold, but as someone who grew up in the tropics, I absolutely love the New England weather. What I can't stand are all the people who lived here their entire lives and can't stop complaining about "how long the Winter is and how much it snows". I agree with Pyrex, it's almost always sunny here. We don't get a lot of rain, which I absolutely hate. Give me snow and cold any day, over dark and rainy skies.
Now back to the topic at hand. 5 744's in the Summer schedule is pretty much a daily occurence.
LH423 744
AF337 744
BA212 744
BA214 744
VS12 744
I'm not entirely sure about VS12, I've seen any one of A342/A346/744.


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