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Topic: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2009-04-20 07:11:41 and read 12339 times.

JFK spotters, get your cameras ready. Swiss' first new A330-300 HB-JHA is enroute to JFK as LX14 on its first revenue flight.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWR14


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Looking forward to the pics 

edit: here's a newspaper article in german, with an interesting video showing the new interior:

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/leben/re...-ein-Vogel-geflogen/story/11196619

[Edited 2009-04-20 07:19:48]

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: Seemyseems
Posted 2009-04-20 10:00:35 and read 12018 times.

Cool! I like the new 1st class they have to offer.

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: Jfk777
Posted 2009-04-20 11:00:51 and read 11895 times.

Its amazing how the newer A333 are far more capable then their original examples. So amazing the A340-300 is inefficient and a dinosaur only 16 years after going into service.

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2009-04-20 11:09:06 and read 11866 times.



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
So amazing the A340-300 is inefficient and a dinosaur

LH and LX don't consider the 343 inefficent or dinosaurs, and they've been two of the world's most profitable carriers for the past couple of years.

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: OA260
Posted 2009-04-20 11:13:42 and read 11846 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Thread starter):
Swiss' first new A330-300 HB-JHA is enroute to JFK as LX14 on its first revenue flight.

I was expecting you to be the co-pilot  Wink

Congrats to Swiss, cant wait to get on it myself but Im going to have to lol..

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-04-20 12:40:53 and read 11636 times.

I flew on 4 Swiss flights over the past weekend, their 330 is widely advertised. I saw the inflight video clips about the different classes, the chef, the meals, it all looked wonderful, especially the First Class beds which looked awesome.

I just can imagine how these passengers in F on the LX330 very first flight to JFK are just going to get some truly royal treatment! Lucky people!

[Edited 2009-04-20 12:44:45]

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: SInGAPORE_AIR
Posted 2009-04-20 12:52:25 and read 11591 times.

Congratulations to Swiss International. The First Class product looks excellent and the Business Class one is very sufficient while being space-efficient !

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-04-20 13:10:37 and read 11505 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Thread starter):

edit: here's a newspaper article in german, with an interesting video showing the new interior:

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/leben/re...96619

THe aircraft really looks nice can't wait to fly it and can't wait for the entire fleet to be refited. BTW Sandro a question for the pilot what is the differences between the cockpit of the A343's (JMA-I) and the A333's of LX?

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2009-04-20 14:11:27 and read 11375 times.



Quoting OA260 (Reply 4):
I was expecting you to be the co-pilot

Patience mate, give it a few years  Wink

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 7):
Sandro a question for the pilot what is the differences between the cockpit of the A343's (JMA-I) and the A333's of LX?

I dont hold any Airbus rating (yet), so I wouldn't know  Wink But one thing i can say for sure, the A340 has four throttle levers, while the A330 only has two (oh really?) Big grin

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: Tommyy
Posted 2009-04-20 14:47:11 and read 11278 times.

Its about time they introduced the new business class, their current A330's have a product that is not much better then a lot of other airlines premium economy product, and for the life of me I could not understand why they would send a 330 to JFK and a 340 with much better seats to short hops such as TLV

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: YULWinterSkies
Posted 2009-04-20 15:09:48 and read 11210 times.



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
Its amazing how the newer A333 are far more capable then their original examples.

True. Also amazing how sales have recently rebounded.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
So amazing the A340-300 is inefficient and a dinosaur only 16 years after going into service.

Still, the A343 has much longer range than the newest A333 and will help LX fly wherever they cannot go with the A333, NRT, LAX, BKK...
The A333X still is not a proper long-haul airplane and probably will never be as it was not designed with that mission in mind, yet it does a fantastic Europe-NAm (East Coast mostly) job with many airlines (US, AC, LH, SK, NW...), and IS more efficient than the A343 on the same routes, but the A343 remains good on longer routes where the A333 would ask for a refuel stop.
The A343 may not be the best true long-haul medium-capacity airplane anymore, since it's pretty clear that the 772ER beats it (at least that's what airlines such as SQ & AC thought), but it allows some "small" airlines to have one single fleet family instead of 2 (thinking of SK, AY, and now LX, where A333X and A343 coexist. -also AC used to -& the reasons why AC stopped using the A343 are legitimate since they wanted BOTH more capacity and more range than the A343 for routes such as YYZ-DEL, and also AC is a bigger airline which can afford having multiple fleet types).
Dinosaur certainly is exaggerated, however. And the A343 did receive improvements too, actually, but too little & too late. (A340-313, then 313X and finally the unsuccessful 313E).

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: Ardian
Posted 2009-04-20 15:12:11 and read 11203 times.

Great looking plane and the interior looks really classy and elegant; I expected nothing more from such a high quality carrier. I particular love the F-class; introvert design but with an elegant and stylish luxury feel to it. Much better than EK with all that screaming faux-wood and gold.

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: Someone83
Posted 2009-04-20 15:17:04 and read 11191 times.

http://www.flightforum.ch/forum/showthread.php?p=612021

Here's some great photos from both the inside and the outside

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: SInGAPORE_AIR
Posted 2009-04-20 15:43:47 and read 11142 times.



Quoting Someone83 (Reply 12):
Here's some great photos from both the inside and the outside

Great photos indeed. I like where they have housed the Economy Class ex2 controller.

First Class looks brilliant.

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: VHSMM
Posted 2009-04-20 23:47:41 and read 10125 times.



Quoting Tommyy (Reply 9):
I could not understand why they would send a 330 to JFK and a 340 with much better seats to short hops such as TLV

Probably to minimise their operating costs - ie using the more efficient aircraft on the longer routes.

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2009-04-21 00:36:24 and read 9910 times.



Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 10):

The A343 may not be the best true long-haul medium-capacity airplane anymore, since it's pretty clear that the 772ER beats it (at least that's what airlines such as SQ & AC thought),

Not so much. The A333 has an application within its design. The thing is whether owning it and its A340 cousin is cheaper than owning the 772 and having one fleet type operate all routes, even if it's overpowered for the majority of routes it's flying. After all, LHR-EWR really doesn't need a 772s range. An A333 is more efficient on that route unless you need to haul a lot of cargo. But carriers like BA also use their 772's on far longer flights, so rather than split the fleet types, they are using an overspecified plane for a given route.

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: OA260
Posted 2009-04-21 01:25:05 and read 9653 times.



Quoting Someone83 (Reply 12):
Here's some great photos from both the inside and the outside

Amazing photos, I love the single seat in J class. The Y class has been upgraded also and looks great. Nice colours and nice interior.

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: Beeweel15
Posted 2009-04-21 01:52:46 and read 9520 times.

The Business Class seats aren't those made by the same company Delta is getting their new seat from. If so Swiss beat Delta in offering that product to Europe

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: Solnabo
Posted 2009-04-21 01:57:19 and read 9511 times.

.
Wooow..

Great pics of the new LX A333. Love it!!

Bainvegni, is this the "native" language in Schweiz?

Thx a mill

//Micke   

[Edited 2009-04-21 02:00:04]

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: JoeCattoli
Posted 2009-04-21 02:42:50 and read 9294 times.

I'm quite sure it's Romansh Switzerland 4th official language.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romansh_language


Ciao  wave 
Joe

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: Solnabo
Posted 2009-04-21 02:57:28 and read 9224 times.



Quoting JoeCattoli (Reply 19):
I'm quite sure it's Romansh Switzerland 4th official language

Thx Joe, didn´t think of Wikipedia....

//Micke

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: TreeHillRavens
Posted 2009-04-21 04:39:10 and read 8760 times.

Impressive. Though i must say the Business Class seat looks way too small for an average Westerner. All the guys in the pictures are very tall with rather broad shoulder ... Still a major improvement over the old fleet and very classy nonetheless. Well done Swiss !

By the way, i noticed the entertainment box beneath the seat is quite big compared to that installed on SIA new 388, 77W and 333. The screen in EY looks exactly the same as those found on SIA new aircraft which is from Panasonic but the entertainment box is much much slimmer and smaller on SIA. Are they not using the same system ?

[Edited 2009-04-21 04:51:06]

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: ZRH
Posted 2009-04-21 04:39:52 and read 8760 times.



Quoting JoeCattoli (Reply 19):
I'm quite sure it's Romansh Switzerland 4th official language.

You are right, it is Romantsch. 4th language in Switzerland only spoken by a few 10 thousand people.

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-04-21 12:05:54 and read 7785 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 8):
I dont hold any Airbus rating (yet), so I wouldn't know Wink But one thing i can say for sure, the A340 has four throttle levers, while the A330 only has two (oh really?) Big grin

lol...

Quoting Tommyy (Reply 9):
Its about time they introduced the new business class, their current A330's have a product that is not much better then a lot of other airlines premium economy product, and for the life of me I could not understand why they would send a 330 to JFK and a 340 with much better seats to short hops such as TLV

SWISS uses the A332's since last december on the TLV route. Regarding the CAI route the A343 is used because it would anyway sit the whole day on the ground at ZRH before continuing to GRU, BKK, JNB or HKG. I fully agree the Business class product of the A332's is bad news and unfortunately it will take until 2011 that all A332's have left the fleet.

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: Aidanoc5793
Posted 2009-04-21 12:43:43 and read 7723 times.

Wow!!!!! Look at those interiors, really well done, I thought OS biz seat looked great but that is fantastic, even theri economy seats look extremely comfortable, LH should be ashamed their smaller company beats its own product on sooo many levels

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-04-21 12:59:15 and read 7692 times.



Quoting Aidanoc5793 (Reply 24):
LH should be ashamed their smaller company beats its own product on sooo many levels

The Y seats were inherited from LH they were originally supposed to go into their first A380's but as the deliveries got delayed etc the seats became available. Hence those will also be the new LH Y seats to be found in the A380's and possibly in older planes if they will deicide to upgrade Y.

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: Enginebird
Posted 2009-04-21 14:10:12 and read 7981 times.

Great looking plane, BUT it is a real dissapointment that the seat pitch in economy has not been increased, i.e. the product that most of LX's customers fly in most of the time continues to be substandard. LX (and other carriers) have to realize that, in the current economic climate, even business travellers often cannot afford to fly business class.

I got off an LX A332 BOS-ZRH this morning and out of approx. 20 different airlines I have flown across the Atlantic over the last 10 years last night's flight was my worst economy class long-haul experience ever, even when compared with some fairly bad American carriers: food inedible (sic! -- everybody around agreed that we would not feed the beef option to any dog, even if we hated it with a passion for barking all night every night), inattentive and arrogant flight attendants (e.g., only airline I have ever flown where flight attendants do not ask pax in front of you to raise their seatbacks during meal service) and worst and most important of all without doubt the most cramped seating and most uncomfortable seat in the air. I can usually sleep well on planes but was not able to sleep at all on the Swiss plane and me legs are still hurting.

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 23):
unfortunately it will take until 2011 that all A332's have left the fleet

This means that I will not go Swiss again until at least 2011. I can only strongly advise everybody to avoid Swiss' A332s like the proverbial plague.

Quoting Aidanoc5793 (Reply 24):
LH should be ashamed their smaller company beats its own product on sooo many levels

Well, I think it does not, even with the same type of seats. Flew LH to BOS last week (and TATL many other times recently) and LX to ZRH today. LH's standard of service (in economy) is at least one level higher: pre-dinner hot towels, pre-dinner drink and pretzels, consistently decent food, more presence of FAs during the flight (e.g. offering water between meal services) etc.

Unfortunately, LX does not live up to its Swiss quality image and to me the new product does not look like this is going to change dramatically. Have to say that I like ZRH airport though.

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2009-04-21 14:16:32 and read 7954 times.



Quoting Enginebird (Reply 26):
Unfortunately, LX does not live up to its Swiss quality image and to me the new product does not look like this is going to change dramatically. Have to say that I like ZRH airport though.

LX service is still above average in my opinion, and the overall product is more than just inflight service. As you say, many people, myself included, find ZRH a much more user-friendly and less stressful connecting hub than other major hubs in Europe. I'm sure many people fly LX for that reason alone.

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: SR183
Posted 2009-04-21 14:58:03 and read 7874 times.



Quoting Enginebird (Reply 26):
I got off an LX A332 BOS-ZRH this morning and out of approx. 20 different airlines I have flown across the Atlantic over the last 10 years last night's flight was my worst economy class long-haul experience ever, even when compared with some fairly bad American carriers: food inedible (sic! -- everybody around agreed that we would not feed the beef option to any dog, even if we hated it with a passion for barking all night every night), inattentive and arrogant flight attendants (e.g., only airline I have ever flown where flight attendants do not ask pax in front of you to raise their seatbacks during meal service) and worst and most important of all without doubt the most cramped seating and most uncomfortable seat in the air. I can usually sleep well on planes but was not able to sleep at all on the Swiss plane and me legs are still hurting.

Sorry to hear that you had such a bad personal experience on LX A332. Although I am not a great fan of LX, I find your judgement about LX too harsh and the comparisons really exaggerated.. My own LX A322 long-haul experience compares well against the likes of LH, DL, EK, TG, UL etc. LX has a decent and above average product on long-haul flights..

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: Enginebird
Posted 2009-04-21 15:17:58 and read 7847 times.



Quoting SR183 (Reply 28):
LX has a decent and above average product on long-haul flights..

I would choose to strongly disagree.

Everybody around felt the same as I did: "never been in such cramped seating" -- this is my main critcism and I stand by it. The food, inattentiveness of the FAs etc, could theoretically be coincidences and due to "a bad day" but it looked like standard procedure. I have to give them, however, that the plane was packed as many people who had been in town for the marathon, just like me, flew out of BOS last night.

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: SR183
Posted 2009-04-21 15:20:07 and read 7934 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
LH and LX don't consider the 343 inefficent or dinosaurs, and they've been two of the world's most profitable carriers for the past couple of years.

You are right that LH and LX are not viewing their A343 fleet as the QR CEO commented about their A346 fleet recently...I just want to add something about the profitability of LX and LH..I was at the LX operations center in Zurich last year (as an invited guest for a talk arranged for the alumni of our college) and the CIO (Chief Information Officer - IT boss) gave a talk about their IT and how their systems were doing. He told us that LX has a good revenue management system, which automatically adjusted the prices according to demand. This system is independent of what LH has and in 2007 it was only second to Southwest in terms of profits per seat offered. And he also told us that LH is envious about their system...  And LH is simply a great airline when it comes to operations management (maybe the best) ...With good planning, it's not a wonder that LH and LX are doing well with their A340 fleet although they are not known to be the most efficient long-haul fleet around today..

[Edited 2009-04-21 15:46:33]

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: SR183
Posted 2009-04-21 15:40:30 and read 7820 times.



Quoting Enginebird (Reply 29):
Everybody around felt the same as I did: "never been in such cramped seating" -- this is my main critcism and I stand by it. The food, inattentiveness of the FAs etc,

LX A332 has a 32" seatpitch ( http://www.swiss.com/web/EN/services...wiss_economy_intercontinental.aspx ), which could be the standard for long-haul travel..You can find a general comparison here: http://www.uk-air.net/seatpitch.htm

I have great admiration for LH (for their strategy, operation and management in general), but my only bad experience with LH was their food (which was below average) in economy which was provided by their own catering company LSG. I had great food on SR economy (10 years ago from JFK) and it was provided by the then SR's own company Gate Gourmet. It's possible that the LX catering is done by LSG at some centers.

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: Enginebird
Posted 2009-04-21 15:50:03 and read 7799 times.



Quoting SR183 (Reply 31):

LX A332 has a 32" seatpitch

Apologies. Checked www.airlinequality.com and it said 31". Felt like 29" or 30" anyway, as the seat is (as LX says in the source you mentioned) 5cm (=2") thicker than the ones on the LX A340s.

Quoting SR183 (Reply 31):
It's possible that the LX catering is done by LSG at some centers.

Yep, food last night came from LSG. But I guess it is a matter of what you order from them and maybe a matter of you get what you pay for -- never had food that bad on LH. Food, however, is not the most important issue here anywhere, as I do not fly to have a gourmet meal. But, back to the original topic, LX should also improve the inflight service on the new A333s.

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2009-04-21 16:18:19 and read 7751 times.



Quoting Enginebird (Reply 32):
Quoting SR183 (Reply 31):

LX A332 has a 32" seatpitch

Apologies. Checked www.airlinequality.com and it said 31". Felt like 29" or 30" anyway, as the seat is (as LX says in the source you mentioned) 5cm (=2") thicker than the ones on the LX A340s.

I agree, LX 332 Y class seats have always seemed very cramped. Even LX A319/320/321s seem more spacious although the seat pitch is a couple of inches less but the thinner seatbacks of the Recaro lightweight seats permit more effective kneeroom. The inflight entertainment control unit stowed in one armrest also sticks out half an inch or so and reduces effective width.

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: TreeHillRavens
Posted 2009-04-22 02:32:06 and read 7500 times.



Quoting Enginebird (Reply 29):
Everybody around felt the same as I did: "never been in such cramped seating" -- this is my main critcism and I stand by it.

I have flown on SR 332. Okay, not exactly a SR 332 but an ex-SR 332. MH lease several ex-SR 332 soon after they went bankrupt and they keep the interior as it was still in service with SR. I Found the seat pitch in EY to be up to the industry standard. MH 332 is very much like its stepchild as it is the only widebodied plane in MH fleet that feature less legroom in EY while all MH owned 333, 744 and 772 have 34" of pitch in EY.

Besides, don't all American and European carriers feature only 31" - 32" of pitch in EY anyway ?

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: Enginebird
Posted 2009-04-22 03:57:16 and read 7395 times.



Quoting TreeHillRavens (Reply 34):
Besides, don't all American and European carriers feature only 31" - 32" of pitch in EY anyway ?

It is common there, but this is not exactly the point. The seat is very thick and uncomfortable, so whatever the exact pitch is, the seating feels much more cramped than on any other widebody I have ever been on.

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: ZRH
Posted 2009-04-22 04:27:28 and read 7355 times.

I think all economy classes of all airlines are terribly cramped, its about the same everywhere. For me not the pitch is most important but the width. I am not fat but have broad shoulders and hate it to touch the dear neighbor all the time. I wish there were airlines which would offer economy classes with more space instead of service and IFE. I could do without any food (take my own sandwich) and without any IFE (read a book) when I would get more pitch and width.

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: TreeHillRavens
Posted 2009-04-22 10:52:10 and read 7056 times.



Quoting ZRH (Reply 36):
I wish there were airlines which would offer economy classes with more space instead of service and IFE. I could do without any food (take my own sandwich) and without any IFE (read a book) when I would get more pitch and width.

Which is why certain carriers come up with the idea "Premium Economy Class" in the first place. That would require you to pay more though ...  Sad

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2009-04-22 11:46:10 and read 6962 times.



Quoting TreeHillRavens (Reply 37):
Which is why certain carriers come up with the idea "Premium Economy Class" in the first place. That would require you to pay more though

And that's how it should be. Air travel fares have dropped drastically over the last couple of years, and yet people are still wanting lower fares, but at the same time complain about service deterioration. If you can fly across the pond for $300, you shouldn't complain if the service wont be as you'd like it. If you want a premium service, pay for it.

People will never learn. They will always complain about coach service, yet at the same time want lower fares. I can understand if people complain if the servic ein business or first class didn't live up to their espectations, because they paid a premium fare to get a premium service. But people flying in coach, paying fares which are hardly turning a profit for the airlines, need to stop freaking complaining and be happy with what they paid for.

If you don't like it, fly business class or stop flying.

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: Seemyseems
Posted 2009-04-22 11:55:11 and read 6930 times.

That cabin is very nice! I like the upolhstry colour they choose for their seats.

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: AntonovA330
Posted 2009-04-22 12:43:13 and read 6860 times.

It seems that JHA had a good start, also interiourwise. A first new product review can be read here:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/swiss...iguration-20apr09-inaugural-2.html

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-04-22 12:51:57 and read 6825 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 38):
People will never learn. They will always complain about coach service, yet at the same time want lower fares. I can understand if people complain if the servic ein business or first class didn't live up to their espectations, because they paid a premium fare to get a premium service. But people flying in coach, paying fares which are hardly turning a profit for the airlines, need to stop freaking complaining and be happy with what they paid for.

You are fully right..."you get what you pay for". Profit margins in the airline industry have anyway increased drastically over the years with more and more competition hence you can't expect to get an LX A332 C class seat in economy class for paying CHF 600 when flying from ZRH to JFK...although anything above that fare is a rip of for the C seat in the A332 Big grin

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2009-04-22 13:27:37 and read 6786 times.

Actually, talking of premium fares, LX have a very attractive C class fare on offer for summer trips to JFK. just over CHF2000 all in, and that includes flying on the new A333. So if anybody wants to try the new product, now seems the perfect time to book.

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: SR183
Posted 2009-04-22 14:23:18 and read 6688 times.



Quoting LXA340 (Reply 41):
Profit margins in the airline industry have anyway increased drastically

I guess, you meant 'decreased'  Wink

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: Enginebird
Posted 2009-04-22 14:25:42 and read 6709 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 38):
If you don't like it, fly business class or stop flying.

Let me add just one word: Swiss.

Should read:
If you don't like it, fly business class or stop flying Swiss.  duck 

Unfortunately I had no choice, as I was rebooked by LH when they cancelled the late flight BOS-FRA for April a few weeks ago.

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2009-04-22 14:27:55 and read 6696 times.



Quoting Enginebird (Reply 44):
If you don't like it, fly business class or stop flying Swiss.

Fair enough, in your case. Obviously, the majority of people disagree with you.

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: Poh2
Posted 2009-04-22 14:53:48 and read 6649 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 42):
Actually, talking of premium fares, LX have a very attractive C class fare on offer for summer trips to JFK. just over CHF2000 all in, and that includes flying on the new A333. So if anybody wants to try the new product, now seems the perfect time to book.

really? what dates did you find that fare on? I just looked around a bit and couldn't find anything lower than CHF 2,800. This is still cheaper than usual...but still about twice as much as the EUR 999 (or CHF 1,511 using todays fx rate) Austrian Airlines (OS) is charging on VIE-JFK in biz class.

I keep waiting for LX to come up with some really great biz class offers, but so far the prices have "only" come down from the CHF 5,000 range to around CHF 3,800 (according to the latest "Swiss Business Class Summer Special" offer on their website). Again, compared with OS and BA biz-class offers, this is not very aggressive, IMO.

Either way, I look forward to flying on the A333 soon!!!

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2009-04-22 16:01:36 and read 6581 times.



Quoting Poh2 (Reply 46):

I just entered two random saturdays in june if memory serves correct and it came out at some CHF2100. But in the end, high fares are probably a good sign (for the airline)  Wink

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-04-23 12:35:04 and read 6244 times.



Quoting SR183 (Reply 43):
I guess, you meant 'decreased' Wink

hehe..thanks

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-04-27 12:21:27 and read 5869 times.

Did the first A333 of LX go tech today exactly one week after it's inaugual flight to JFK? The flight left 3 hours late today after 16:00

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: SInGAPORE_AIR
Posted 2009-04-27 12:37:03 and read 5840 times.

SWISS - LX 14

DELAY AIRCRAFT DEFECTS
DELAY AWAITING CONNECTING PASSENGERS
Zurich (ZRH), Zurich, Switzerland 15:51 LEFT THE GATE
Zurich (ZRH), Zurich, Switzerland 16:07 TOOK OFF
Zurich (ZRH), Zurich, Switzerland - PX PASSENGERS ON BOARD 164)
Zurich (ZRH), Zurich, Switzerland - AWAITING CONNECTING PASSENGERS
Zurich (ZRH), Zurich, Switzerland - AIRCRAFT DEFECTS
Zurich (ZRH), Zurich, Switzerland - SI OTHER INFORMATION IR91/LX1249 TOW 207340 TOF 063600
John F Kennedy (JFK), New York, New York, USA 18:22 ESTIMATED TIME OF ARRIVAL

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: Panamair
Posted 2009-04-27 14:20:16 and read 5734 times.



Quoting Poh2 (Reply 46):
really? what dates did you find that fare on? I just looked around a bit and couldn't find anything lower than CHF 2,800.

It's valid for departures out of ZRH from 28 June through 4 September and has to be booked /available in "J" inventory. LX, AA, CO, and US are all offering this fare. The LX fare requires a 60 day advance purchase with min stay of Sat night and max of 1 month.

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: N960AS
Posted 2009-04-27 20:59:55 and read 5638 times.

This month I've flown LX ZRH-LAX (I understand this was on a A340) and a LHR-JFK-LHR trip on AA. I too was never blown away by the LX Y class long haul experience - but in comparison to AA it was a world away. I was put off by the tiny portion of the meals on AA - only to find that it didn't matter - because it was inedible. The AA flight attendants were extremely rude, especially in dealing with passengers that didn't speak English so well. I've always found the flight attendants on Swiss as a whole to be rather polite at least. I've never been one to care too much about IFE, but the old non AVOD system of the AA 777 was a joke compared to the LX flight. So...while LX may not be perfect - there's a lot worse out there in my opinion!

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: Mikemalone
Posted 2009-04-28 08:15:51 and read 5493 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Thread starter):
JFK spotters, get your cameras ready. Swiss' first new A330-300 HB-JHA is enroute to JFK as LX14 on its first revenue flight.

I was on the first flight to JFK, IFE and Seat functions worked very well in all classes (for a first flight), about 10 to 15 Journalists were also on board and were very happy in C-class. Harry Hohmeister from the Management of Swiss gave interviews. All in all, a very successful flight, the 8 hours 50 minutes passed so fast. In JFK, the whole jetty was full of people welcoming us, they were were even more excited then those back in ZRH. After a last photo, we headed for the hotel and well earned rest. Did not have time to make pictures on the flight (was hardworking) but some from the ferryflight to ZRH and on ground in TLS. Last picture is during Go-around in ZRH.

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Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: Jambo293
Posted 2009-04-29 07:04:24 and read 5196 times.

Hi Maikemalone... thx for the good pics... alll in all it seems like a very successful 1st flight. Since you didn't take any pics of the seats... i thought i'd share it on this video that was taken by my friend before its 1st commercial flight;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxgZep97SLc ......ENJOY !!!!

Topic: RE: First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-04-29 13:57:48 and read 5036 times.



Quoting Jambo293 (Reply 54):

Thanks for sharing

On another note the A333 got it's first rest day today. It will have it's next flight tomorow as LX014 to JFK


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