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Topic: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: LY4XELD
Posted 2009-05-17 12:37:33 and read 19006 times.

787 #1 (ZA001) has moved from the fuel dock to the flightline (courtesy of Matt Cawby's blog):

http://kpae.blogspot.com/2009/05/n787ba-on-flightline.html

[Edited 2009-05-17 12:38:26]

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: MKE22
Posted 2009-05-17 12:43:17 and read 18973 times.

I know this had probably been stated many times, but when is it set to take to the skies?

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: Pianos101
Posted 2009-05-17 12:46:14 and read 18963 times.

2nd quarter 2009... From what i hear from people in everett, it's definitely on track to meet that target.

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: Stitch
Posted 2009-05-17 12:52:44 and read 18899 times.



Quoting MKE22 (Reply 1):
I know this had probably been stated many times, but when is it set to take to the skies?

Next month. Starting to look like maybe within the first two weeks.

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: LY4XELD
Posted 2009-05-17 14:22:23 and read 18552 times.

Randy Tinseth also posted some pictures on his blog:

http://boeingblogs.com/randy/archives/2009/05/slow_ride.html

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: NZdsgnr
Posted 2009-05-17 14:34:02 and read 18457 times.

http://paineairport.com/kpae2050.htm

anyone notice under the right stabilizer that "hole" didn't notice it before. anyone knows what it is for?

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: Stitch
Posted 2009-05-17 14:38:41 and read 18431 times.



Quoting NZdsgnr (Reply 5):
anyone notice under the right stabilizer that "hole" didn't notice it before. anyone knows what it is for?

Don't know. It looks like it was covered during the July 2007 roll-out, so maybe there is a panel that normally fits over that area which was removed for some reason.

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: NZdsgnr
Posted 2009-05-17 14:43:03 and read 18393 times.



Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
Don't know. It looks like it was covered during the July 2007 roll-out, so maybe there is a panel that normally fits over that area which was removed for some reason.

I guess you are right, I have just watched the video of the rollout of the ANA bird and it is covered

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: Keesje
Posted 2009-05-17 14:43:18 and read 18393 times.



Quoting LY4XELD (Reply 4):
mes:

Randy Tinseth also posted some pictures on his blog:

Randy now understands you can't wait a day bringing news on your blog  Smile

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: Ruscoe
Posted 2009-05-17 14:51:24 and read 18327 times.



Quoting NZdsgnr (Reply 5):
anyone notice under the right stabilizer that "hole" didn't notice it before. anyone knows what it is for?

When I look closely at the other photographs I think there are quite a few "black holes".
I guess they are inspection plates removed for some sort of check/work underneath.

Cheers

Ruscoe

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: Blackbird1331
Posted 2009-05-17 15:22:10 and read 17839 times.

Shrink it. It could be the 737 replacement.

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: Tdscanuck
Posted 2009-05-17 15:56:57 and read 17311 times.



Quoting NZdsgnr (Reply 5):
anyone notice under the right stabilizer that "hole" didn't notice it before. anyone knows what it is for?

That's the surface, or where the surface would be, that the horizontal stabilizer rides on when it moves. For whatever reason, it doesn't seem to be installed at the moment.

Tom.

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: CFBFrame
Posted 2009-05-17 19:19:46 and read 14759 times.

Anyone notice the door on the right side. The paint is off the door and also what is the thing above the APU in the white painted portion of the tail?

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2009-05-17 19:24:17 and read 14668 times.

All sorts of access panels are

Quoting LY4XELD (Reply 4):
anyone notice under the right stabilizer that "hole" didn't notice it before. anyone knows what it is for?

Access panels. Lots of em. When they rolled it into the paint shop, before the fuel tank washout, the plane looked like swiss cheese, especially the wings, with all the access panels removed.

I assume they will all be fastened properly before they take her up...  Wink

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2009-05-17 19:26:32 and read 14636 times.

You can still see some removed access panels on the underside of the wings and the stabs as well.

But the missing panel on the back right looks to be an access panel for the APU, which is being tested along with the engines over the next week.

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: Tdscanuck
Posted 2009-05-17 21:07:18 and read 13601 times.



Quoting CFBFrame (Reply 13):
Anyone notice the door on the right side. The paint is off the door

I'm not sure what you mean by this...door 4R looks totally normal to me.

Quoting CFBFrame (Reply 13):
also what is the thing above the APU in the white painted portion of the tail?

The APU inlet.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 15):
But the missing panel on the back right looks to be an access panel for the APU, which is being tested along with the engines over the next week.

It's too far forward for the APU...might be access to the guts of the horizontal stab.

Tom.

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2009-05-17 22:27:47 and read 12933 times.



Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 16):
It's too far forward for the APU...might be access to the guts of the horizontal stab.

Or the electrical generator attached to the APU? I know a lot of tests they are doing are electrical.

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: Ruscoe
Posted 2009-05-17 23:22:13 and read 12459 times.



Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 16):
It's too far forward for the APU...might be access to the guts of the horizontal stab.

I'm not sure it has made it onto the production craft but I did read that the APU was going to be capable of being easily lowered down closer to the ground for maintenance and repair purposes.

Ruscoe

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: Pylon101
Posted 2009-05-18 01:22:15 and read 11402 times.

It's amusing.
You think Boeing had made the 747 cockpit on upper deck for nice looking?
Years of experience proved that the cockpit should be lower to the ground.

787 looks quite nice to me.
I am just wondering if Boeing delivers broad coverage of the first flight??!!

We all deserved it by our patience.

Fly, f...bird, fly!!!!! You made us tired.

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: RussianJet
Posted 2009-05-18 01:50:27 and read 11141 times.

Fly the damn plane already. Nobody bother me again until it's left the runway please.

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: Revelation
Posted 2009-05-18 02:24:19 and read 10886 times.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 19):
Fly the damn plane already. Nobody bother me again until it's left the runway please.

My, aren't we grumpy today!

There's been a thread every time ZA001 has moved an inch, and there will continue to be more threads every time it moves an inch till it flies!

[Edited 2009-05-18 02:25:50]

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: RussianJet
Posted 2009-05-18 02:36:22 and read 10778 times.



Quoting Revelation (Reply 20):
My, aren't we grumpy today!

And not just today. This whole extended delay has made me extremely grumpy.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 20):
There's been a thread every time ZA001 has moved an inch

Exactly, and that makes me grumpy too!  smile 

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: LHRlocal
Posted 2009-05-18 03:01:30 and read 10554 times.

First engine start due for Thursday/Friday.

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: Nomadd22
Posted 2009-05-18 04:11:38 and read 9907 times.



Quoting Pylon101 (Reply 18):
Fly, f...bird, fly!!!!! You made us tired.

Gotta love Russian haikus.

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: Vivekman2006
Posted 2009-05-18 04:17:50 and read 9824 times.



Quoting LHRlocal (Reply 22):
First engine start due for Thursday/Friday.

That's great news! Hope we can get some good video of the engine start. Would love to hear the sound of those 787 engines....  Smile

- Vivek

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: 757GB
Posted 2009-05-18 04:59:46 and read 9355 times.



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 21):

Understandable. In my case (and many others I'm sure), I want to know about every move.
I've got the patience.

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: Pylon101
Posted 2009-05-18 06:28:28 and read 8765 times.

Yes. We are aviation enthusiasts, we have things to do, we are always busy  Smile

We should move to A350 progress while monitoring B787 results.
To follow -800, -900, -1000 demand - and respond.
To see how it all affect new purchases of A380.

So many things to see. Never enough time  Big grin

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2009-05-18 12:07:18 and read 4246 times.



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 19):
Nobody bother me again until it's left the runway please.

Funny, I didn't notice the thread topic read: "Hey RussianJet! The 1st 787 is on the flightline!"

 Wink

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: Decoder
Posted 2009-05-18 12:34:37 and read 3798 times.

Pardon the ignorance, but what's "flightline" exactly?

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2009-05-18 12:36:08 and read 3779 times.

It's actually in the dictionary.  Smile

n. the part of an airport around the hangars where aircraft can be parked and serviced.

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: MerlinIIIB
Posted 2009-05-18 12:40:16 and read 3713 times.



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 19):
Fly the damn plane already. Nobody bother me again until it's left the runway please

... and I am still waiting for that russian space shuttle program to get off the ground, or has Buran just become a restaurant or Hotel?  Wink

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: RussianJet
Posted 2009-05-18 12:42:11 and read 3678 times.



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 27):
"Hey RussianJet! The 1st 787 is on the flightline!"

Yeah well, wake me up when you start a thread titled "Hey, RussianJet! The 1st 787 is flying and we have pictures!"

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2009-05-18 12:46:18 and read 3599 times.



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 31):
"Hey, RussianJet! The 1st 787 is flying and we have pictures!"

Hopefully someone remembers this and does just that. That would be funny.

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: LY4XELD
Posted 2009-05-18 12:54:05 and read 3536 times.



Quoting Decoder (Reply 28):
Pardon the ignorance, but what's "flightline" exactly?



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 29):
It's actually in the dictionary. Smile

n. the part of an airport around the hangars where aircraft can be parked and serviced.

And specifically for Boeing, it's where planes are prepped for customer deliveries.

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: Tugger
Posted 2009-05-18 12:56:52 and read 3517 times.



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 32):
Quoting RussianJet (Reply 31):
"Hey, RussianJet! The 1st 787 is flying and we have pictures!"

Hopefully someone remembers this and does just that. That would be funny.

Can't be done. Too long, have to be something like "Hey, RussianJet! 787 is flying & here's pictures!"  Wink


That said, it is pretty funny how every move is a new thread. There'll be one Thursday on the engine start (or that it didn't happen). And to think we'll have this for the rest of the year and in to the next as the 787 goes through all its phases and enters service.

Personally I like the bird, I like that there is a departure from the Boeing norm for design (as much as you can when you are dealing with aerodynamics making all your most important decisions).

Tugg

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: Rheinbote
Posted 2009-05-18 13:05:48 and read 3503 times.

Randy's Blog on the topic
http://boeingblogs.com/randy/archives/2009/05/slow_ride.html

"The Dreamliner makes its way out of the fuel dock Saturday - in reverse!"

"...the airplane was able to move from fuel dock to pre-flight delivery stall #105 on the flight line in Everett - all the while backing down the line tail first."

He didn't intentionally phrase it in a way that the casual reader must get the impression it backed down using its own engine power in reverse thrust, or did he?  spin  spin  spin  spin 

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2009-05-18 13:23:12 and read 3372 times.

The escape hatch was open. Or did they paint it black?

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: Jeb94
Posted 2009-05-18 18:11:57 and read 2952 times.



Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 11):
That's the surface, or where the surface would be, that the horizontal stabilizer rides on when it moves. For whatever reason, it doesn't seem to be installed at the moment.

Tom.

Actually its a fairing that covers the gap that the stab needs for movement. Often removed for painting. Most large aircraft have these above and below the horizontal. I'm not familiar with Boeings but it also could provide access to a jackscrew mechanism that adjusts the stab trim. They mount to and move with the stab.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 16):
Or the electrical generator attached to the APU? I know a lot of tests they are doing are electrical.

The APU generator is most likely accessed from underneath inside the APU compartment. If this is anything like other Boeings it has two doors under the tail that swing open to either side to provide access based off of what I've seen with 737/757/767s. The compartment has to be fire resistant as APUs do have the risk of catching fire sometimes.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 36):
The escape hatch was open. Or did they paint it black?

F/O's escape hatch is open.

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2009-05-18 18:21:17 and read 2888 times.



Quoting Jeb94 (Reply 37):
The APU generator is most likely accessed from underneath inside the APU compartment. If this is anything like other Boeings it has two doors under the tail that swing open to either side to provide access based off of what I've seen with 737/757/767s. The compartment has to be fire resistant as APUs do have the risk of catching fire sometimes.

Makes sense.

Quoting Jeb94 (Reply 37):
F/O's escape hatch is open.

Are there two? I thought I only saw one in the close ups from the factory.

Topic: RE: 1st 787 On The Flightline
Username: Tdscanuck
Posted 2009-05-18 19:53:48 and read 2614 times.



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 16):

Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 16):
It's too far forward for the APU...might be access to the guts of the horizontal stab.

Or the electrical generator attached to the APU?

As far as I know, the generators get accessed from underneath, just like the body of the APU. Since there's no load compressor on this APU, it should be even shorter than normal so I don't think the generators would extend forward of the inlet by any meaningful amount.

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 17):

I'm not sure it has made it onto the production craft but I did read that the APU was going to be capable of being easily lowered down closer to the ground for maintenance and repair purposes.

This is normal for all current Boeings. I'm not sure why they'd change it for the 787, absent some new design innovation that they're not talking about.

Quoting Pylon101 (Reply 18):
I am just wondering if Boeing delivers broad coverage of the first flight??!!

Given the amount of coverage they put on the Potemkin rollout, I certainly hope they do broad coverage of the first flight. But it was a lot easier to pin down the rollout date than it will be to pin down first flight, which probably limits the amount of preparation you can do.

Tom.


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