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Topic: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: BWE320
Posted 2009-05-23 08:28:38 and read 8882 times.

I just received a Condor newsletter via e-mail and they are announcing new services to the US airports of Juneau, Seattle, Santa Rosa, Portland, Honolulu and Maui. I suppose they will probably need one or two new planes for this services. Where could they come from?
Quite interesting destinations though. Juneau could be interesting for Alaska cruises (same for Seattle). Are they the first foreign airline at Santa Rosa?

Topic: RE: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: Dba4u
Posted 2009-05-23 08:30:41 and read 8877 times.

These are codeshares on Alaska Airlines metal from LAS and ANC (Hawaii).

Edit: Not even! Just an interlining agreement

[Edited 2009-05-23 08:32:31]

Topic: RE: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: CARST
Posted 2009-05-23 08:30:58 and read 8877 times.

Will that be direct flights too Hawaii? Nearly 6500nm...

Or will it be a 1-stop flight in combination with the new Seattle destination?

Topic: RE: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: CARST
Posted 2009-05-23 08:32:45 and read 8856 times.



Quoting Dba4u (Reply 1):
These are codeshares on Alaska Airlines metal from LAS and ANC (Hawaii).

Ah thanks Dba4u ... so no CO metal in HNL?

Topic: RE: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: BWE320
Posted 2009-05-23 08:35:32 and read 8841 times.

Thank you for the info. Quite disappointing though. Why Santa Rosa?

Topic: RE: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: STT757
Posted 2009-05-23 08:38:43 and read 8817 times.



Quoting BWE320 (Reply 4):
Why Santa Rosa?

Wine Country, Sonoma and Nappa.

Topic: RE: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: Dba4U
Posted 2009-05-23 08:46:02 and read 8787 times.

Well, but FRA-ANC-HNL would certainly be something different. Pricing is pretty decent for high season (from around 1300EUR FRA-HNL) as well. Now if they would grant a stopover in ANC...

The next question, however, is if this detour is really worth beeing stuck on one of Condors '67er for 10 hours each way!

Topic: RE: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: PHX Flyer
Posted 2009-05-23 09:02:40 and read 8709 times.



Quoting Dba4U (Reply 6):
is if this detour is really worth beeing stuck on one of Condors '67er

What detour? I don't think the plotted course could be any more straight than this!

Topic: RE: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: AznMadSci
Posted 2009-05-23 14:08:48 and read 8183 times.



Quoting CARST (Reply 3):
so no CO metal in HNL?

There is CO metal to HNL, but probably you meant DE.  biggrin 

Topic: RE: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: LHPDX
Posted 2009-05-23 15:02:10 and read 7836 times.

Which Portland? Portland , Oregon or Portland Maine?

Topic: RE: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: BAKJet
Posted 2009-05-23 15:53:43 and read 7585 times.



Quoting LHPDX (Reply 9):
Which Portland? Portland , Oregon or Portland Maine?

The Press Release says west coast ,so I would assume Oregon.

Link to PR
http://www10.condor.com/tcf-us/news....CAA8DC69F3D6A816DCF74FF.as10worker

Topic: RE: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: Legacyins
Posted 2009-05-23 16:02:59 and read 7537 times.

I assure you, they will not being flying into Santa Rosa. It does not even have Immigration facilities.

Topic: RE: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: CPH-R
Posted 2009-05-23 16:25:31 and read 7415 times.

On the subject of DE routes to YXY and ANC, what's the market segment they cater to? Or rather, I assume it's tourism, but what sort of tourism?

At least the former doesn't exactly ring of the usual bucket and spade holiday market DE otherwise caters to  

Quoting BAKJet (Reply 10):
The Press Release says west coast ,so I would assume Oregon.

Sounds like a bit of a detour, since LH already flies there nonstop from FRA?

[Edited 2009-05-23 16:28:12]

Topic: RE: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: Borism
Posted 2009-05-23 16:33:01 and read 7367 times.

Condor.com says HNL is available "30.05.2009 until 12.09.2009". Is that the period AS operates it's seasonal ANC-HNL?

Topic: RE: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: Apollo13
Posted 2009-05-23 18:14:20 and read 6973 times.

Im guessing the Santa Rosa flights might be handled by Horizon Air considering they fly the Dash-8 into the region.

Topic: RE: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: BigGSFO
Posted 2009-05-23 18:54:55 and read 6826 times.



Quoting Apollo13 (Reply 14):
Im guessing the Santa Rosa flights might be handled by Horizon Air considering they fly the Dash-8 into the region.

...and they are the only airline serving STS.

Topic: RE: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: IndyWA
Posted 2009-05-23 19:32:13 and read 6666 times.



Quoting Apollo13 (Reply 14):

Not just handled, they ARE Horizon flights. These are just interline agreements with Horizon and Alaska, no DE metal will be flying these flights

Topic: RE: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: Wedgetail737
Posted 2009-05-23 21:41:32 and read 6265 times.

I was kind of hoping that the SEA part would actually be under DE's metal.

Does Condor actually get into LAS early enough to make that LAS-STS connection? That is an interesting connection for QX...non-typical.

Perhaps DE should consider flying to PDX or SEA if they want to do additional codeshares or interlines to other AS/QX destinations. Although, I think they would have stiff competition from LH at both.

Topic: RE: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: THEENGINEER
Posted 2009-05-23 21:59:39 and read 6208 times.

Are they planning to get new aircraft anytime soon. If Im not wrong their 767s must be pretty old.

Topic: RE: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: Hatbutton
Posted 2009-05-23 22:34:32 and read 6111 times.



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 17):
Does Condor actually get into LAS early enough to make that LAS-STS connection? That is an interesting connection for QX...non-typical.

A codeshare to STS and JNU by a European carrier is strange to me no matter how strange it is for QX. STS I kinda get but it's still a stretch. JNU I really don't get. It's not at the beginning or end of any cruise, and there really isn't a ton of tourismy stuff there.

Quoting Borism (Reply 13):
Condor.com says HNL is available "30.05.2009 until 12.09.2009". Is that the period AS operates it's seasonal ANC-HNL?

No ANC-HNL is year round. It was OGG that was seasonal...but that now is going to be year round. Also don't know why they wouldn't codeshare to OGG as well. Maybe times don't line up.

I believe these dates coincide with Condors seasonal service to ANC. They only offer flights in the summer and those dates seem about right for when they start and stop service each year.

Quoting Dba4U (Reply 6):

The next question, however, is if this detour is really worth beeing stuck on one of Condors '67er for 10 hours each way!



Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 7):

What detour? I don't think the plotted course could be any more straight than this!

ANC is very conveniently located in comparison to a lot of places. That's why so many airplanes stop in from Asia and back. So connecting in ANC probably is better for the traveler than what it may seem from looking at a flat map.

FRA-LAX-HNL 7246 nautical miles
FRA-ANC-HNL 6462 nautical miles

[Edited 2009-05-23 22:58:06]

Topic: RE: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: Rampart
Posted 2009-05-23 23:22:32 and read 5979 times.



Quoting Hatbutton (Reply 19):
JNU I really don't get. It's not at the beginning or end of any cruise, and there really isn't a ton of tourismy stuff there.

Are you kidding? It's outdoor recreation central for SE Alaska. National parks and forests (literally adjacent to or across the bay from the city). Glacier tours. Skiing, fishing, kayaking, camping, local cruises. Whale and birdwatching. Outdoor and environmental destinations are keen for a lot of Germans. Go to Death Valley or Southern Utah in August, and count how many German visitors make up the population. I wouldn't be surprised if St. George or Moab eventually showed up as a DE codeshare  Smile .

-Rampart

Topic: RE: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: Wedgetail737
Posted 2009-05-23 23:28:17 and read 5962 times.



Quoting Rampart (Reply 20):
I wouldn't be surprised if St. George or Moab eventually showed up as a DE codeshare

I'm waiting for PRC and FLG to show up since QX flies there. But I guess DE would have to serve LAX first.

Topic: RE: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: BMI727
Posted 2009-05-23 23:38:01 and read 5936 times.



Quoting Hatbutton (Reply 19):
ANC is very conveniently located in comparison to a lot of places. That's why so many airplanes stop in from Asia and back.

This is true. Somewhere I read that 90% of the world's population is within 9 hours flying time of ANC or something like that.

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 21):
I'm waiting for PRC and FLG to show up since QX flies there.

Those would be pretty logical destinations for a charter airilne to offer.

Topic: RE: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: Rampart
Posted 2009-05-23 23:39:04 and read 5936 times.



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 21):
I'm waiting for PRC and FLG to show up since QX flies there.

Definitely! I could honestly see FLG show up if Santa Rosa can. Great central location to a lot of stuff. Have to rent a car, though. Or not: My German housemate in college often had buddies visit from Germany. Rather than rent a car, they'd buy an old Buick or Chrysler land-yacht for $800 from some retiree in Scottsdale, tool around the desert for a month, making small repairs as necessary, till the car utterly died, sell the remains to a junkyard, fly back home, come back the following summer and do the same thing.

Anyone know, does or did Condor fly to PHX? Didn't LTU serve PHX, regularly, at one time?

-Rampart

Topic: RE: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: TriStar500
Posted 2009-05-24 03:17:06 and read 5318 times.



Quoting THEENGINEER (Reply 18):
Are they planning to get new aircraft anytime soon. If Im not wrong their 767s must be pretty old.

DE is just refitting their 767 fleet with winglets and a cabin upgrade, so I suppose the aircraft will stay for quite a while longer. There haven't been any rumors covering a fleet rollover in the German aviation scene anyway.

Topic: RE: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: Hatbutton
Posted 2009-05-24 07:05:18 and read 4586 times.



Quoting Rampart (Reply 20):

Are you kidding? It's outdoor recreation central for SE Alaska. National parks and forests (literally adjacent to or across the bay from the city). Glacier tours. Skiing, fishing, kayaking, camping, local cruises. Whale and birdwatching. Outdoor and environmental destinations are keen for a lot of Germans. Go to Death Valley or Southern Utah in August, and count how many German visitors make up the population. I wouldn't be surprised if St. George or Moab eventually showed up as a DE codeshare

I'm well aware of what's in JNU, but honestly, not much of that is any different than almost anywhere else in and around ANC. Skiing, fishing, camping, kayaking, local cruises, whale and birdwatching is pretty darn general if you ask me and not something that you can only do in JNU. You can do those things pretty much anywhere in Alaska. Skiing won't matter anyways because Condor only flies to ANC in the summer.

I don't know German tourists very well, I just find JNU odd having been to JNU more times than I can count. Just my opinion.

Topic: RE: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: BA744PHX
Posted 2009-05-24 07:06:16 and read 4661 times.



Quoting Rampart (Reply 23):
Anyone know, does or did Condor fly to PHX? Didn't LTU serve PHX, regularly, at one time?

LTU use to fly DUS-PHX started in 1997 and lasted for 2-3 years service was twice weekly

Topic: RE: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2009-05-24 14:37:58 and read 4128 times.

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 12):
On the subject of DE routes to YXY and ANC, what's the market segment they cater to? Or rather, I assume it's tourism, but what sort of tourism?

Germany has always been a big market for adventure-type tourism to remote parts of the world where they can see things that don't exist in Europe -- wide open spaces, wildlife etc. Canada's Yukon Territory, of which YXY is the capital, is 1/3 larger in area than Germany but the total population is only 33,000, compared to about 82 million in Germany. I believe many passengers on the YXY/ANC flights take organized bus tours along the Alaska Highway between YXY and ANC which are part of the inclusive tour packages, and some probably rent their own campers/recreational vehicles.

Quoting THEENGINEER (Reply 18):
If Im not wrong their 767s must be pretty old.

Condor took delivery of 11 767-300ERs between 1991 and 1995. Not sure which of those are still in service.

[Edited 2009-05-24 14:46:09]

Topic: RE: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: Rampart
Posted 2009-05-24 21:02:09 and read 3943 times.



Quoting Hatbutton (Reply 25):
I'm well aware of what's in JNU, but honestly, not much of that is any different than almost anywhere else in and around ANC.

Well, maybe Juneau just wants a piece of the Alaska tourism pie. They try to market themselves as a destination. Juneau is different enough from Anchorage, I can see its appeal in contrast to Anchorage. Anchorage is a "big city", after all! Juneau, not a big city. But still a worthy destination, with a good airport. Maybe not your cup of tea, but that's OK.

-Rampart

Topic: RE: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: Wedgetail737
Posted 2009-05-24 23:13:28 and read 3841 times.



Quoting Rampart (Reply 28):
Well, maybe Juneau just wants a piece of the Alaska tourism pie. They try to market themselves as a destination. Juneau is different enough from Anchorage, I can see its appeal in contrast to Anchorage. Anchorage is a "big city", after all! Juneau, not a big city. But still a worthy destination, with a good airport. Maybe not your cup of tea, but that's OK.

Wow! Such passion in the great debate between ANC and JNU. Maybe I'll just visit KTN and SIT for neutral ground. LOL!

Topic: RE: Condor Adds New Destinations In The US
Username: Hatbutton
Posted 2009-05-25 15:32:53 and read 3542 times.



Quoting Rampart (Reply 28):
Well, maybe Juneau just wants a piece of the Alaska tourism pie. They try to market themselves as a destination. Juneau is different enough from Anchorage, I can see its appeal in contrast to Anchorage. Anchorage is a "big city", after all! Juneau, not a big city. But still a worthy destination, with a good airport. Maybe not your cup of tea, but that's OK.



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 29):

Wow! Such passion in the great debate between ANC and JNU. Maybe I'll just visit KTN and SIT for neutral ground. LOL!

Haha I don't have anything against Juneau. It just seemed odd to me because nobody ever has really gone after a code share to JNU like this. If they market it I'm sure they'll get plenty of people that will come check it out. Hopefully it won't be raining though!


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