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Topic: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: Gilesdavies
Posted 2009-07-08 03:54:31 and read 9104 times.

Seems like easyJet have decided to compete directly with El-Al at Luton and will be flying a 6x weekly service to Tel Aviv...

http://www.thejc.com/articles/easyjet-launches-tel-aviv-flights

Going back 2-3 years ago there was no flights from LTN to TLV and then ThomsonFly decided to operate services 4-5 times weekly and they were a great success, originally flying with a 737-800 and this was regularly upgraded to 752's and 767's.

Thomson decided to pull out of all schedule services and dropped the successful route, then in May this year El-Al decided to transfer their operation from STN to LTN and this is flown 6 times weekly with a 762 and 763.

Now LTN will have 12 flights a week to TLV, from the 2nd Nov this year! The easyJet flights will operate Saturday to Thursday.

I hope this will not have an impact on the El-Al service and I am sure the airport will hope this too... They seem to think of the El-Al service as a flagship service of the airport as no other national carriers operate from LTN and is does potentially offer connecting flights to/from Asia and the Far East which the airport has been keen to market!

This does seem to be part of some longer distant route expansion for easyJet to the eastern Mediteranean basin from LTN. Only last week they announced flights from the airport 3x weekly to SSH and 4x PFO. Reading on other websites it seems easyJet are basing 2 A320's at the airport for the Winter 09 schedule (rumour from PPRUNE website), and these are additional airframes from what is already based here. It would appear these new aircraft will be busy plying these new routes as the A320's do seem to operate easyJet's longer routes...

[Edited 2009-07-08 04:04:31]

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: Shamrock321
Posted 2009-07-08 04:16:51 and read 9018 times.

Good news for passengers indeed, finally a low cost option to TLV from London. LON-TLV is quite congested now with LY/BD/BA and now U2.

I know BA and BD pick up alot of feeder passengers from UK/USA and elsewhere, Im not so sure about LY how will this effect them?

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: Richardw
Posted 2009-07-08 04:23:32 and read 8996 times.



Quoting Shamrock321 (Reply 1):
Im not so sure about LY how will this effect them?

Perhaps smaller aircraft on off peak days.

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2009-07-08 04:25:31 and read 8990 times.

Very exciting! I look forward to seeing timings and prices.

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: Richardw
Posted 2009-07-08 04:30:12 and read 8966 times.

Do the new U2 A320s have reclining seats? or will these be former GT A320s?

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2009-07-08 04:47:20 and read 8907 times.

I wonder when the flights were be on sale. Perhaps I'll be able to get a great introductory offer. Hmm.

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: Directorguy
Posted 2009-07-08 04:49:48 and read 8897 times.

Why isn't this service going to be daily? I thought only LY restricted operations on Saturdays.

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: Kiwiandrew
Posted 2009-07-08 05:09:46 and read 8810 times.



Quoting Directorguy (Reply 6):
Why isn't this service going to be daily? I thought only LY restricted operations on Saturdays.

maybe the airline is being cautious and they dont want to cause offence , or maybe , statistically , fewer people travel to/from TLV on Friday because the pax themselves prefer to keep Shabbat and the airline doesnt want to operate with an uneconomically low load factor on that day so they choose not to operate at all ?

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: GCT64
Posted 2009-07-08 05:26:12 and read 8722 times.



Quoting Richardw (Reply 4):
Do the new U2 A320s have reclining seats? or will these be former GT A320s?

By the time this service starts. most (or all) of the ex-GT A320 series will have departed from the fleet (although I'm not sure of the exact dates). They are all due to be replaced by new build EZY aircraft. I can't answer the question on seat reclining for new build, as I haven't yet flown on one.

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: Jamotcx
Posted 2009-07-08 07:50:14 and read 8429 times.



Quoting Richardw (Reply 4):
Do the new U2 A320s have reclining seats?

Nope and no IFE either  Smile

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: Richardw
Posted 2009-07-08 07:57:18 and read 8406 times.



Quoting Jamotcx (Reply 9):
Nope

Oh dear, just a little too far without a reclining seat, LTN-TLV.

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2009-07-08 08:01:09 and read 8391 times.



Quoting Richardw (Reply 10):
Oh dear, just a little too far without a reclining seat, LTN-TLV.

I can easily live without a reclining seat. In fact, I wouldn't have been bothered about reclining my seat on STN-KUL, 12h 40m, let alone 4h 30m LTN-TLV.

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: Richardw
Posted 2009-07-08 08:11:13 and read 8347 times.

I can sleep ok non reclined in an older cloth seat FR B738, but not these U2 A319 style non recline seats, which may be similar to ones they may be putting in these new U2 A320s.

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: Kl911
Posted 2009-07-08 09:27:47 and read 8206 times.



Quoting Richardw (Reply 10):
Oh dear, just a little too far without a reclining seat, LTN-TLV.

Why sleep? It's only 2 timezones and a daylight flight... Read a book, buy 5 beers and the 4 hours are over before you know it...  Smile

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2009-07-08 10:21:58 and read 8114 times.

They're actually loaded now. LTN-TLV from £71.99 and TLV-LTN from £30.99. The return is, of course, exceedingly inexpensive, and the difference in fare is no doubt in part attributable to the APD.

Timings:

LTN-TLV: 1130-1835
TLV-LTN: 1925-2305

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: Theginge
Posted 2009-07-08 10:48:21 and read 8053 times.

Very clever move by Easyjet to target that market.

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: BA319-131
Posted 2009-07-08 10:58:02 and read 8022 times.



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 11):
I can easily live without a reclining seat

- So can I on european flights, find it stops me being woken up on finals!

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: Richardw
Posted 2009-07-08 11:06:06 and read 7996 times.



Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 16):
So can I on european flights

LTN-TLV is about 5hours 20 mins, so not that short.

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: BA319-131
Posted 2009-07-08 11:58:11 and read 7903 times.



Quoting Richardw (Reply 17):
LTN-TLV is about 5hours 20 mins, so not that short.

- Good point, should still be able to do it - though don't plan to try!

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: GT4EZY
Posted 2009-07-08 16:24:43 and read 6852 times.



Quoting Richardw (Reply 10):
Oh dear, just a little too far without a reclining seat, LTN-TLV.

Passenger reaction to non reclining seats (specificially on these A320's and on longer routes) has been surprisingly good.

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: Prebennorholm
Posted 2009-07-08 17:11:39 and read 6759 times.



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 14):
Timings:

LTN-TLV: 1130-1835
TLV-LTN: 1925-2305

That explains 6 x weekly Saturday through Thursday.

Shabbat is not Saturday. It is Friday from sunset to Saturday at sunset. And in this respect "sunset" is more or less defined as 6pm year around.

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: Adools
Posted 2009-07-08 19:55:33 and read 6496 times.



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 14):
the difference in fare is no doubt in part attributable to the APD

What does APD mean? Are there a lot of easy jet flights that have such a difference between outbound and inbound (from the UK)?

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: Ilyag
Posted 2009-07-08 21:50:32 and read 6346 times.

which terminal will U2 use in TLV? Would it be T3 with all the others, or they would be the first airline to operate from the "LCC" terminal in T1?

Thanks!

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: Hovitzer
Posted 2009-07-08 22:20:41 and read 6294 times.



Quoting Ilyag (Reply 22):
which terminal will U2 use in TLV? Would it be T3 with all the others, or they would be the first airline to operate from the "LCC" terminal in T1?

U2 Pax chek-in counters are located in T2, and afterwards buses takes them to T3 duty-free and again on buses to the aircraft.

Hovitzer.

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: Antonovman
Posted 2009-07-09 00:09:22 and read 6110 times.

I wonder if the same crew do a "there and back"
5 hrs 10 there, 5 hours 10 back, 30 minutes turnaround time, 1 hour before STD report
It must be pushing it a bit

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: Joost
Posted 2009-07-09 00:14:30 and read 6093 times.



Quoting Adools (Reply 21):
What does APD mean? Are there a lot of easy jet flights that have such a difference between outbound and inbound (from the UK)?

Air Passenger Duty. A special flight tax collected by the British Government, that can be quite high. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Passenger_Duty summarizes the charging scheme.

There are more flights with such a difference, although there are also other airports in the network that charge high taxes.

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2009-07-09 00:16:35 and read 6276 times.



Quoting Antonovman (Reply 24):
5 hrs 10 there, 5 hours 10 back, 30 minutes turnaround time, 1 hour before STD report

Where are you getting that from?! It is 5h 5m block for LTN-TLV, 5h 40m block for TLV-LTN, and 50m turnaround. They should do it on a there-and-back shift basis.

Quoting Adools (Reply 21):
What does APD mean?

Distance-based Air Passenger Duty.

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: BestWestern
Posted 2009-07-09 00:31:27 and read 6217 times.

Will this be the only LTN based A320 - if so, then they are building in some mx flexibility into the schedule.

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: BestWestern
Posted 2009-07-09 00:36:37 and read 6212 times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Al

States that the el al 762 has 189 seats.

Easy have 174 in their A320.

Anyone have the time to do a CASM comparison?

[Edited 2009-07-09 00:43:45]

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: F4f3a
Posted 2009-07-09 01:59:36 and read 6018 times.

U2 have 180 on there new a320s

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: BestWestern
Posted 2009-07-09 02:15:59 and read 5974 times.

So, the 767 and A320 have virtually similar seat costs - now whats the CASM difference?

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: APYu
Posted 2009-07-09 03:13:01 and read 5810 times.



Quoting Antonovman (Reply 24):
I wonder if the same crew do a "there and back"
5 hrs 10 there, 5 hours 10 back, 30 minutes turnaround time, 1 hour before STD report
It must be pushing it a bit

Jet2 and Thomson did it as a there and back so no worries there. Only BA get their cushy nightstop - and lets see if that lasts.

For me the downside of this flight is my concern that the Easykiosk will not have much left in it for the return sector. On the long sectors to SSH and the like people on TCX and TOM flights practically empty the bar and hence they are good commission spinners - but they can leave pax hungry when all is gone.

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: Cityofathens
Posted 2009-07-09 04:50:45 and read 5627 times.

APYu, BMI crew also spend the night in TLV, but I see what you are saying; consider that 17 BA crew also spend the night in CAI which is just over 4 hours on the 747. Crew accommodation is also dependent on the schedule the company wants to run.

Back on topic, great to see more options to TLV. I'm wondering why thomson pulled out if the route was so successful?

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: LY7E7
Posted 2009-07-09 06:39:43 and read 5529 times.

I am not sure easyJet will be a big success in Israel. Israelis like to complain about the relatively high cost of flights from Israel to Europe and elsewhere, but they are also expecting good level of service and free meals and drinks. Also, being a middle eastern crowd , the lack of seat assignements will create a mess and more people will think twice.

On top of that, the cheapest possible overall price of circa 215 USD compares to 350USD cheapest tickets on LY - company to which many Israelis are very loyal to (especially in the socio-economic level to which LCC often caters). Israelis that are not too familiar with LCC and only know that "in Europe they buy air tickets for 50 euros" - may be dissapointed as well.


All that being said - competition is always good and best of luck to EasyJet.

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2009-07-09 06:44:29 and read 5519 times.



Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 33):
they are also expecting good level of service

You make a good point: education is probably needed for countries that have no experience of low-cost airlines and thus might not know the differences between them and so-called with-frills airlines.

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: Gilesdavies
Posted 2009-07-09 07:09:06 and read 5476 times.

Is Israel a country that attacts much in the way of tourism?

I know Eilat is quite popular, but just curious what kind of mix you could be expecting on these flights. For example is there likely to be many Brits travelling to Tel Aviv on holiday?

Regardless of the current political situation, I think some of Israel's troubled past may reflect a reluctance from some Brits to travel there as a holiday destination... Which is a shame, as it is a compariable flight time to the likes of Cyprus and Egypt from the UK, and I have seen reently seen Israeli tourism adverts on TV.

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2009-07-09 07:10:03 and read 5473 times.

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 35):
For example is there likely to be many Brits travelling to Tel Aviv on holiday?

I would guess at mainly Israeli VFR. And it's also bound to have some Israeli and British tourists. What about businesspeople?

[Edited 2009-07-09 07:21:54]

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: CityofAthens
Posted 2009-07-09 07:30:42 and read 5442 times.

If easyJet do their usual advertising for TLV i.e. a simple orange umbrella in the sand next to a beach ball with words such as "Tel Aviv from £xx one-way" then I'm sure some people would think "beach holiday, good value" or some-such ... not to say the best beaches are in Tel Aviv, or that sun and sea is all Israel has to offer ... but combine that with great night-life and throw in the "culture" option (Jerusalem) and you might help attract interest.

Let's see how well it does!

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2009-07-09 07:34:21 and read 5438 times.

"The majority of Israelis in the UK live in London and in particular the heavily populated Jewish area of Golders Green," says Wikipedia. And this is obvious to anyone that visits that part of London.

And guess which is the closest UK airport to Golders Green?

Low fares is normally good to stimulate demand from VFR. Combine that with likely tourism, both inbound and outbound, and perhaps certain businesspeople...

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: Richardw
Posted 2009-07-09 08:08:25 and read 5387 times.



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 38):
And guess which is the closest UK airport to Golders Green?

As the crow flies? Heathrow.

or cheapest to get to by public Bus/coach ? Luton

or easiest car Journey, just up the M1 a bit? Luton

Topic: RE: EasyJet To Launch Luton-Tel-Aviv Service (W09)
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2009-07-09 08:16:28 and read 5374 times.



Quoting Richardw (Reply 39):
As the crow flies? Heathrow.

or cheapest to get to by public Bus/coach ? Luton

or easiest car Journey, just up the M1 a bit? Luton

It was a rhetorical question.  Silly


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