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Topic: Plane Crash Sites
Username: Qantas767
Posted 2009-07-17 00:00:39 and read 33949 times.

Was looking for some info on DAL 191 this afternoon and stumbled over this web page. Found it interesting...

http://www.waymarking.com/cat/detail...6d4901-d5a0-4409-b0b9-78daba79ed41

Shows links, and recent photos of the sites of some famous aircraft accidents...

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: FlySSC
Posted 2009-07-17 00:31:37 and read 33911 times.

This is the memorial for the crash of the Turkish Airlines DC10 (TC-JAV) TK981 in the Forest of Ermenonville, north of Paris/France.




Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: FlySSC
Posted 2009-07-17 00:34:46 and read 33902 times.

Crash site of Concorde F-BTSC, near CDG :

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: Richierich
Posted 2009-07-17 12:04:42 and read 33400 times.

Today (July 17th) is the 13th anniversary of the TWA800 crash off of Long Island. I just heard a song on the radio that reminds me of this crash, for some reason, and then I saw this topic. Sadly you would need a boat to get to the crash site of TWA800.

There are some major crash sites that people pass by everyday. For example, on Rockaway Blvd near Runway 22L at JFK, people drive by all the time. Most probably see the jets landing overhead and have no idea that over 100 people died right there on and near the roadway back in June 1975. There is no memorial or marker there, perhaps because there is no room and it is a busy four-lane road, and not exactly a pedestrian area. I was near there watching the A380 make its initial landing at JFK a couple of years back - trust me you'd never know.

Speaking of Queens, what about the site of AA191's crash in Far Rockaway? This was a relatively recent crash (Nov. 2001) and completely destroyed several houses. At least one or two have been rebuilt, I believe, but what about the crash site itself? Is there really a new house on the site? Gosh, I'm not very superstitious but for some reason I wouldn't want to live there... too much bad karma.

If you go to Aviation Safety Network ( http://www.aviation-safety.net/index.php ) it shows you the location per satellite, often 'exact', of just about every crash. In many cases, you can often 'see' the crash location as a different colored grass or soil or perhaps a clearing in the forest. It's interested, perhaps slightly morbid, all at the same time.

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: Moose135
Posted 2009-07-17 15:54:55 and read 33125 times.



Quoting Richierich (Reply 3):
Today (July 17th) is the 13th anniversary of the TWA800 crash off of Long Island.

I attended the memorial services at Smith Point Park last year:
http://moose135.smugmug.com/gallery/2559898_XHkDW#134673790_GB97T

Quoting Richierich (Reply 3):
For example, on Rockaway Blvd near Runway 22L at JFK, people drive by all the time. Most probably see the jets landing overhead and have no idea that over 100 people died right there on and near the roadway back in June 1975.

I remember that one. It happened on my 15th birthday, June 24, and the approach to 22L passes right over my parents house in Elmont, about 5 miles from the runway.

Quoting Richierich (Reply 3):
Speaking of Queens, what about the site of AA191's crash in Far Rockaway?

I imagine you mean AA587. There is a memorial for AA587, but it is located about 3/4 of a mile from the crash site itself.

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: RonS
Posted 2009-07-17 16:45:42 and read 33052 times.



Quoting Moose135 (Reply 4):
Smith Point Park

Been there as well, great memorial. Nice photos of it by the way.

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: LTBEWR
Posted 2009-07-17 17:09:37 and read 33018 times.

During a 1995 on a trip to Ireland while driving on the eastern coast, a place I pulled off the road at happened to be a small monument for the Air India terror bomb crash that occured in the Irish Sea near there.
There are the memorials under construction in Pennsylvania and at the WTC site as well as a small moument at the Pentagon where a plane crashed as to the 9/11 terrorism acts. I believe their is a memorial near Peggy's Cove in Nova Scota for the crash off the coast near there of SR111 in September 1998.
I am quite sure a good Yahoo/Google/Bing search could help one locate many other memorials to aircraft crashes around the world.

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: Jetjack74
Posted 2009-07-17 18:18:21 and read 32926 times.

Northwest 255 crash in 1987

The day of the crash, 8/16/87


The marker at the crash site in Romulus MI on Goddard Rd unveiled at the 20 year anniversary

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: Jetstar
Posted 2009-07-17 18:51:12 and read 32865 times.

I believe there are site markers for both Lockheed Electra crashes in the 1960’s, one a Northwest airplane and the other a Braniff airplane. Both airplanes dove straight into the ground after losing their wings due to vibrations, so there was basically nothing left of the airframe. I read that the Northwest airplane’s fuselage was compressed in a 10 foot mass, so basically they left it there and placed a marker over the site. This was before DNA testing, so they had no way of identifying the remains.

I read somewhere that using DNA testing, they recovered, identified and returned to the families all the remains from the UA airplane that crashed on 9/11 in PA and the hijackers remains the government still has.

JetStar

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: Ridgid727
Posted 2009-07-17 19:17:17 and read 32827 times.



Quoting Richierich (Reply 3):
There are some major crash sites that people pass by everyday. For example, on Rockaway Blvd near Runway 22L at JFK, people drive by all the time. Most probably see the jets landing overhead and have no idea that over 100 people died right there on and near the roadway back in June 1975. There is no memorial or marker there, perhaps because there is no room and it is a busy four-lane road, and not exactly a pedestrian area. I was near there watching the A380 make its initial landing at JFK a couple of years back - trust me you'd never know.

IN Salt Lake City, where Skywest Airlines Metro and a Moony collided in mid-air, there is a house on the corner (it's actually in Kearns UT) IN all 12 lost their lives, including 2 Native American Children. There is nothing there other than the house, but each Jan 15th, there is a group of Native Americans who perform a ceremony there.

Not far from Elko NV, where a SkyWest Metro crashed on Jan 16th, 1990, (no one was killed)
there is still a huge gash in the mountain where it went down.

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2009-07-17 19:33:33 and read 32681 times.

Swissair 111 memorial near Halifax.

http://www.ns1763.ca/hfxrm/swiss4467.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/Swissair_memorial_-_Bayswater1.jpg/800px-Swissair_memorial_-_Bayswater1.jpg

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: BMI727
Posted 2009-07-17 21:02:46 and read 32091 times.

There is a rather nice memorial in Sioux City comemorating UA 232, but it is downtown along the waterfront rather than near the airport. It is a sort of plaza with a scupture of that guardsman carrying the young boy out of the plane.

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: Viscount630
Posted 2009-07-17 21:41:11 and read 31866 times.

http://www.carlscam.com/stockport/airdisaster.htm

And one to the 1967 BMA Argonaut crash in the middle of Stockport.

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: FlySSC
Posted 2009-07-18 00:29:31 and read 31285 times.

Memorial for the victims of Flash Airlines B733 crash in Sharm-al-Sheik (Egypt) :



Memorial on the crash site of the Air Inter Airbus A320 F-GGED on the Mount St Odile in Jan. 1992 :





Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: AMSSFO
Posted 2009-07-18 02:47:30 and read 31186 times.

There's a memorial for the LY-crash in Amsterdam:


more examples can be found in this older post:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...general_aviation/read.main/1936642

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: BMI727
Posted 2009-07-18 03:08:28 and read 31157 times.



Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 14):
There's a memorial for the LY-crash in Amsterdam

Looks rather fitting, but I thought that there were concerns about the site due to depleted uranium ballast in the 747.

There was a post in that other thread about how these are almost never at airports, but I should point out that I think that there is a garden in memory of C.B. Lansing (FA who died on AQ243) at HNL as well as the American flags that are flown above the gates at BOS where the two hijacked aircraft left on 9/11.

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: Diamond
Posted 2009-07-18 08:24:24 and read 30974 times.

UTA Flight 772 / Nigerian Desert (visible from space)











http://googlesightseeing.com/maps?p=...294&spn=0.003132,0.004925&t=k&z=18


The Hindenberg Memorial:





http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/5916/view/?service=1


Northwest Lockheed Electra / Tell City, Indiana





http://www.perrycountyindiana.org/attractions/aircrash.cfm


PSA 727 Flight 182 / San Diego, California





PSA_Flight_182" target=_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSA_Flight_182

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: PITops
Posted 2009-07-18 08:56:32 and read 30921 times.

Does anyone have pics from US Air 427 in Pittsburgh?

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: Highflier92660
Posted 2009-07-18 08:56:50 and read 30922 times.

Sometimes called the grand-daddy of mid-air collisions, on June 30, 1956 a TWA 1049A Super Constellation collided with a United Airlines DC-7 at 21,000 ft. over the Grand Canyon. A memorial to the victims of both airliners is at the Grand Canyon Cemetery and at the Citizen's Cemetery in Flagstaff, Arizona.

http://www.doney.net/aroundaz/grandcanyoncrash.htm

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: Diamond
Posted 2009-07-18 09:35:24 and read 30864 times.



Quoting PITops (Reply 17):
Does anyone have pics from US Air 427 in Pittsburgh?

US Air Flight 427 / Pittsburgh, PA





http://www.accesshelp.org/mar00/photoalbum.html

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: PITops
Posted 2009-07-18 09:44:17 and read 30829 times.

Is that on the crash site or off site somewhere?

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: SW733
Posted 2009-07-18 09:46:25 and read 30827 times.



Quoting Diamond (Reply 16):
Nigerian Desert

It's actually the NigeriEn desert (Niger, instead of Nigeria)

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: Diamond
Posted 2009-07-18 10:04:41 and read 30798 times.



Quoting PITops (Reply 20):
Is that on the crash site or off site somewhere?

I posted the link directly below the photo. But to find it, I used good ol' reliable Google and entered "USAIR 427 Memorial" (without the quotes) as my search request.

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: PITops
Posted 2009-07-18 10:32:50 and read 30742 times.



Quoting Diamond (Reply 22):
I posted the link directly below the photo. But to find it, I used good ol' reliable Google and entered "USAIR 427 Memorial" (without the quotes) as my search request.

I didn't mean website... I meant crash site. Like where the plane went down.

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: Diamond
Posted 2009-07-18 10:36:53 and read 30732 times.



Quoting PITops (Reply 23):
I didn't mean website... I meant crash site. Like where the plane went down.

" ... US Air 427, September 8, 1994, crash site in Hopewell Township, PA. The families purchased the area where the plane actually crashed. Photo submitted Joanne Shortley-Lalonde who lost her husband, Stephen M. Shortley, age 37 aboard the flight ... "

Guidelines for visiting the site: http://www.427adsl.org/crashsi.htm

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: MrSkyGuy
Posted 2009-07-18 21:31:59 and read 30422 times.

These sites have always been of intense interest to me, not just those with memorials visibly present. Having been interested in the visitation, documentation, preservation and of course remembrance of these incidents, I was pretty excited to learn of a hobby called 'Aviation Archeology' which does just that. My excitement was short lived however, as I quickly came to realize that the majority of these groups are more interested in military aviation archeology than that of commercial incidents.

Do any commercial aviation archeology groups exist (apart from local-only groups)?

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: Flaps
Posted 2009-07-18 21:49:06 and read 30839 times.



Quoting Diamond (Reply 24):
" ... US Air 427, September 8, 1994, crash site in Hopewell Township, PA. The families purchased the area where the plane actually crashed. Photo submitted Joanne Shortley-Lalonde who lost her husband, Stephen M. Shortley, age 37 aboard the flight ... "

This is an awkward site to access. I thank all of you above who posted. I was going to head out there tomorrow and photograph it if you hadn't beaten me to it. For anyone that is familiar with the location, the access isnt hard to find but it is on private property. Anyone that has any sense of decency or respect for private property would feel very awkward going up there. As crash sites go this one is kind of difficult in that regard.

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: Type-Rated
Posted 2009-07-19 00:22:25 and read 30785 times.

Then there is the wreckage of TWA Flight 3 just west of LAS that is still there, to a degree.
Just a few degrees of navigational error put the plane on a direct course with the top of a mountain.

http://www.qnet.com/~carcomm/wreck16.htm

http://hwstock.org/lomb/

And for those of you who didn't know who Carole Lombard was:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvCB7Y3X1ZE

She was a VERY funny lady!

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: Jetjack74
Posted 2009-07-19 07:21:22 and read 30584 times.



Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 27):

There is also wreckage of the West Coast Airlines DC9-10 that crashed into a remote mountainside somewhere in western Oregon in the mid 60's. Not sure how much debris is still there if it's just certain parts or if the entire aircraft is still there or buried. I know that some skin, interior parts were left there. I guess all the salvageable parts were taken and the rest was left behind.

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2009-07-19 13:11:06 and read 30364 times.



Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 28):
Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 27):


There is also wreckage of the West Coast Airlines DC9-10 that crashed into a remote mountainside somewhere in western Oregon in the mid 60's.

As a sidenote, that October 1, 1966 crash was the first fatal DC-9 accident and first hull loss. The aircraft was almost brand new, delivered 2 weeks before the crash.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19661001-1

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: MrSkyGuy
Posted 2009-07-19 14:59:57 and read 30219 times.



Quoting MrSkyGuy (Reply 25):
Do any commercial aviation archeology groups exist (apart from local-only groups)?

I haven't experienced any luck searching Google.. anyone?

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: Canoecarrier
Posted 2009-07-19 15:29:15 and read 30168 times.

Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571 has a wiki site. I just saw the movie Alive based on the survival story of the rugby team on board. Not sure if these links will work but here's my try at it:

http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=-34.7...0.01,0.01&t=m&q=-34.765,-70.286389
Switch to the satellite view once you're redirected.

Photo of crash site:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Crash_site.JPG

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: Socalfive
Posted 2009-07-19 15:42:42 and read 30147 times.

I can't believe it's not already in here or on that website, but PSA 182 on the corner of Dwight and Nile in San Diego back in September 1978...

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Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: Type-Rated
Posted 2009-07-19 16:14:36 and read 30082 times.

And then there was TWA Flight 506, a L-049 Constellation traveling from BOS-SFO via LGA-PIT-MDW-LAS-LAX-SFO. When it crashed it came in right over my aunt's house and crashed into the field across the street at a few minutes past 2am. You can see her house across the street from the crash site. The cause of the crash was a bolt that somehow came out of the rudder boost assembly. All were lost.

The most sickening thing about this crash was that local residents were already scavenging the crash site for valuables from the passengers before the rescue crews got there.

Link to the crash report:
http://dotlibrary1.specialcollection...dll?websearch&site=dot_aircraftacc

Photo of the crash site today:

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One more notable thing is that back in 1961 when this crash occurred a lot of airlines operated flights 24 hours a day due to the long flying times between cities.

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: Ferengi80
Posted 2009-07-20 05:50:09 and read 29719 times.

The memorial at Sioux Gateway Airport (United Airlines Flight 232, 19th July 1989)

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Sioux Gateway Memorial


The memorial in the Memorial Garden at Lockerbie (Pam Am Flight 103, 21st December 1988)
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Lockerbie memorial


The memorial at Manchester Airport (British Airtours Flight KT28M, 22nd August 1985)
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British Airtours KT28M memorial, Manchester

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: FatmirJusufi
Posted 2009-07-20 06:06:32 and read 29667 times.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Skyguide_Memorial.jpg

Memorial for mid-air collision victims (Bashkirian Airlines Tu-154 and DHL B757, July 1st 2002) and afterwards Peter Nielsen's assassination (February 24th, 2004; ZRH Air Traffic Controller) by a man whose his family has been involved in this tragedy.

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: WA707atMSP
Posted 2009-07-20 07:27:12 and read 29573 times.

In March, 1950, a Northwest Airlines Martin 202 crashed in southwest Minneapolis. Part of the wing landed on the grounds of the Washburn water tower (near the intersection of 50th and Lyndale), and the fuselage destroyed a house on the north side of Minehaha Creek, near Drew.

13 passengers on the 202, and two people in the house, were killed.

There are no markers at the crash site, and a new house has been built to replace the house that was destroyed in the crash.

Many top executives of NWA (including Doug Steenland) live in the neighborhood where the crash took place, but I'm sure none of them are aware of it.

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: Richierich
Posted 2009-07-20 08:18:12 and read 29501 times.



Quoting Moose135 (Reply 4):
I imagine you mean AA587. There is a memorial for AA587, but it is located about 3/4 of a mile from the crash site itself.

I'm totally embarrassed... I got my AA flights mixed up yet I know those flight numbers well.

YES I was talking about the AA587 crash site in Queens, of course, but I was also thinking about AA191 in my head as another crash site. Sorry for the mix-up - must have had my head on straight!

AA191 crashed in ORD, as most people on a.net are aware, and it wiped out part of a trailer home park adjacent to the airport. In fact, much like AA587 22 years later, there were ground casualties with the ORD crash - I believe there are new trailers and homes on the site of this crash now (I remember an a.net user discussing this at length during the one of the anniversaries of the crash of AA 191).

Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 35):
and afterwards Peter Nielsen's assassination (February 24th, 2004; ZRH Air Traffic Controller) by a man whose his family has been involved in this tragedy.

Interesting, I had no idea the controller who was on duty for this midair collision had been assassinated. That only compounds the tragedy, in my opinion, because even if he was asleep or completely incompetent, one has to assume that he did not wish for this event to occur. In fact, I'd imagine something like this is the worst nightmare of any controller... Killing him does not bring back those that were lost and I'm glad, although surprised, that he was included in the memorial of that terrible tragedy.

Quoting Ferengi80 (Reply 34):
The memorial at Manchester Airport (British Airtours Flight KT28M, 22nd August 1985)

Where is this memorial? Obviously the accident itself occurred on a taxiway that, to my knowledge, is still used frequently at MAN. When I was last at Manchester, I looked out to the area where this happened and thought about that horrible event in 1985 - a lot has changed since that day.

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: MSYtristar
Posted 2009-07-20 08:25:56 and read 29477 times.

I don't have a picture of it, but there is a memorial for the victims of PA759 that crashed on takeoff from MSY in 1982. It's at the Our Lade of Perpetual Help church near the crash site, which is itself very close to the airport.

I believe there's also one for EA304, the DC-8 which crashed into Lake Pontchartrain, back in 1964.

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: AVLNative
Posted 2009-07-20 08:46:41 and read 29442 times.



Quoting Richierich (Reply 3):
There are some major crash sites that people pass by everyday.

Every time I cross the 14th Street Bridge I can't help but think of Air Florida Flight 90.

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: Richierich
Posted 2009-07-20 09:03:50 and read 29417 times.



Quoting AVLNative (Reply 39):
Every time I cross the 14th Street Bridge I can't help but think of Air Florida Flight 90.

I'll bet you 99% of the people that cross that bridge are unaware of what happened there back on the icy, cold 1982 day.... Considering it is more than 25 years ago, there are many people who weren't even born at that time!

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: Type-Rated
Posted 2009-07-20 09:50:31 and read 29343 times.



Quoting Richierich (Reply 37):
I believe there are new trailers and homes on the site of this crash now (I remember an a.net user discussing this at length during the one of the anniversaries of the crash of AA 191).

I don't think so, I think the field has been fenced off and it is now private property. Nothing has been built on it. There also have been stories of the ghosts of some of the passengers turning up in areas around the crash site.

I wonder how come sometimes people build homes on aircraft crash sites and sometimes the area is left open. If you look at the TWA crash I listed earlier there are houses totally around the crash site, but none built on it. The crash site is like on huge communal back yard for the houses on the edge of the field.

Personally, I would get a little spooked knowing that my house was sitting on an area where many people died tragically.

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: Emaman
Posted 2009-07-20 10:53:29 and read 29259 times.

I drive past the section of M1 where BD92 hit the northbound embankment 3 times a week.

The planes fly fairly fluidly into EMA through most of the day (as the M1 is usually at a standstill anyway!) you normally see at least one FR, EZY or WW 737 come into land whilst you are waiting. They come in very low, they only have to clear the foliage on the embankment and they are crossing the threshold of the runway.

Still cant believe I was only 8 when it happened (20 years ago), although remember the news story like it was yesterday. It was especially traumatic in the UK as it happened only 2 weeks after Lockerbie, and was one of a string of large fatal disasters (mostly non-aviation) that occurred in the UK thru 1987-1989.

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: Tano
Posted 2009-07-20 11:30:04 and read 29214 times.

Maybe one of the most famous: Alive! movie was filmed after this one.

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Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: Charlienorth
Posted 2009-07-20 11:41:18 and read 29174 times.



Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 36):
In March, 1950, a Northwest Airlines Martin 202 crashed in southwest Minneapolis. Part of the wing landed on the grounds of the Washburn water tower (near the intersection of 50th and Lyndale), and the fuselage destroyed a house on the north side of Minehaha Creek, near Drew.

It hit the flag pole in the cemetery while on approach to RWY 36(gone) during a snow storm.The eagle on top of the pole was knocked off and stored until it was placed back on the flag pole in the early to mid 90's,think of it every time I'm in town and driving on 494 where you can see the flag pole.

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 41):

I don't think so, I think the field has been fenced off and it is now private property. Nothing has been built on it.

It only hit the edge of the trailer park,most of the impact occurred on city property,there are a bunch of trees growing on the crash site.The property is used by the City of Chicago P.D. for dog training.

At the approach end of 14r there is the hangar where the NCA CV580 crashed,American Eagle occupies the side of the hangar where impact happened and there are scrape marks on the floor.

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: WA707atMSP
Posted 2009-07-20 12:52:38 and read 29066 times.



Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 41):
Personally, I would get a little spooked knowing that my house was sitting on an area where many people died tragically.

The current owner of the home built at the Northwest M 202 crash site in Minneapolis was completely unaware the prior home on his lot had been destroyed in a fatal airliner crash.

He said he liked his home, because it was one of the few post - World War II homes in his neighborhood. Most of the other homes in the area were built prior to World War I.

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: Type-Rated
Posted 2009-07-20 14:02:38 and read 28966 times.



Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 45):
He said he liked his home, because it was one of the few post - World War II homes in his neighborhood. Most of the other homes in the area were built prior to World War I.

and here is an example of that...

UA 553 came down in the 3700 block of 70th place, 3722 to be exact. It destroyed three homes.
Here is a photo of the homes today. You can tell they are of a different architechtural style than the homes surrounding it. 3722 is the home in the middle:

Link: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie...nOQtyah-OXfA&cbp=12,342.73,,0,5.77

If you go to page 43 of the crash report (link below) you can see where all the parts fell.

http://libraryonline.erau.edu/online...raft-accident-reports/AAR73-16.pdf

I remember I was in the vicinity of MDW when this happened and got over there within about 30 minutes of the crash. The street was already blocked off. But it was very strange seeing the 737's tail section sitting on somebody's lawn straight up with the words "UNITED" on it.

Somebody got a hold of the Chicago Fire Department tapes of the recovery efforts by the department and posted them on Youtube. I am not providing a link because they are rather gory and sickening. If you wish to look them up yourself you can easily do a search.

I have always been interested in NTSB reports. Not from a macrabe point of view, but from a safety point of view. As you read along you can see how a simple error can quickly manifest into a disaster.

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2009-07-20 15:55:13 and read 28830 times.

On December 17, 1960, a USAF Convair 340 (military designation C-131D) with 20 passenges/crew (passengers all U.S.college students) had an engine problem soon after takeoff from the old MUC Reim airport which was much closer to the city center. It came down in the middle of a busy intersection after knocking off the top of a nearby church steeple. It struck a crowded tram. All 20 aboard the Convair plus 32 passengers on the tram were killed, and many others injured.

I didn't know anything about that accident until I happened to walk past a fairly new building on a trip to MUC a couple of years go and noticed the plaque below on the wall. Since I don't speak German (but recognized "Flugzeug" as "aircraft"), I wrote down the wording and translated it later. It's a memorial to the 1960 crash in the adjacent intersection.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Flugzeugungl%C3%BCck_1960_in_M%C3%BCnchen-Gedenkplatte.jpg.JPG

Photo of the Convair's tail.



In a strange coincidence. that accident happened one day after a UA DC-8-11 approaching JFK (then IDL) collided with a TWA L1049 Super Constellation approaching LGA, killing all 128 on both flights and several on the ground. The UA DC-8 came down in a Brooklyn intersection (Seventh Ave. and Sterling Place) after hitting several buildings. The TWA L1049 came down in an open area on Staten Island. One 11-year-old boy on the DC-8 survived for a day or so but later died. I wonder if there is a memorial to that crash? At the time, it was the worst aircraft accident in U.S. history. It was also the first DC-8 fatal accident and hull loss.



Newsreel footage below covers both of the above accidents.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/tsgtv/i...ex.html?id=TSGV5-38&link=TSGTVshlk

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: WA707atMSP
Posted 2009-07-21 05:47:37 and read 28569 times.



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 47):
I wonder if there is a memorial to that crash?

The father of the boy who survived a day or two after the crash (I believe his name was Steve Baltz) asked that the money in his pocket at the time of the crash be donated to the hospital where he was treated. The hospital fused the coins to a bronze plaque, which hangs in its lobby, honoring the victims of the crash.

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 46):
Somebody got a hold of the Chicago Fire Department tapes of the recovery efforts by the department and posted them on Youtube. I am not providing a link because they are rather gory and sickening. If you wish to look them up yourself you can easily do a search.

I feel these images do not belong on You Tube, or anywhere else. If I had a loved one who was killed in the crash, I would be LIVID if anyone could get "cheap thrills" by looking at pictures of his / her remains.

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: FLYjoe
Posted 2009-07-21 07:53:19 and read 28432 times.

There is a memorial in CLT for US 1016 that crashed in a t-storm on approach. The memorial was by the intersection of Old Dowd and Wallace Neal, but that area is no longer accessible as the roads were realigned and the land was taken to build the new 18R/36L runway.

I haven't been by the overlook lately to see if the memorial has been moved there. Every so often you see flowers placed along the fence at the overlook, but it's not an official memorial and could be for either 1016 or 5481.

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: Type-Rated
Posted 2009-07-21 09:56:48 and read 28335 times.



Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 48):

I feel these images do not belong on You Tube, or anywhere else. If I had a loved one who was killed in the crash, I would be LIVID if anyone could get "cheap thrills" by looking at pictures of his / her remains.

I agree with you on the YouTube placement. It's in very poor taste.  checkmark  But I believe the video was originally intended to be a training film for the CFD, not for public consumption.

The TWA crash that went down in Claredon Hills, IL instantly overloaded the Claredon Hills Volunteer Fire Department. They didn't have any training on how to deal with a plane crash. Remember, this was back in 1961. Eventually many volunteer fire departments from the surrounding area showed up to assist, but it took a long time to get there.

Now many hospitals and fire departments regularly receive training on how to deal with an aircraft accident.

Topic: RE: Plane Crash Sites
Username: N14AZ
Posted 2009-07-21 10:33:06 and read 28292 times.

In December 1991 my brother in law tried to call me because his friend - a film-maker - was looking for some supernumeraries for a movie. He had chartered D-CCC Classic Wings DC 3 for that film sequence. My brother in law didn't reach me because I wasn't at home. Useless to say what I would have said if he had reached me and asked if I would like to fly on a DC 3 for free...

The plane crashed near Heidelberg: http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19911222-0&lang=en

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I checked on google earth but I didn't find anything - does anybody know if they made a memorial there?

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