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Topic: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2009-07-25 13:04:24 and read 7863 times.

I have been told American Eagle will launch daily non-stop service between Miami and both Charleston, S.C. and Knoxville, Tenn. on 19 November 2009. The schedules don't seem to be published yet. It is great for AA to continue expanding in the Southeast from MIA. The long-term plan is to connect the majority of their Southeast stations with a daily flight to Miami. I'm surprised Birmingham is still missing, though.

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: GSP psgr
Posted 2009-07-25 13:50:39 and read 7760 times.

(Gnashing of teeth). I'm possibly starting a job in South Florida in the next few weeks, and I was hoping that Eagle would start MIA-GSP to make it easier to get back and forth to/from the parents. Apparently, we weren't in the running for a daily flight, even after Eagle whacked or Chicago services. Alas, its either a connection via ATL/CLT, the Allegiant Air FLL-GSP, or flying Eagle to CLT and driving to GSP.....

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: SurfandSnow
Posted 2009-07-25 14:33:56 and read 7655 times.



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
daily non-stop service between Miami and both Charleston, S.C. and Knoxville, Tenn.

Very good news for all three cities involved. Would it be crazy to think that Miami could continue to develop into a true Southeast hub to serve pax flying, say, MSY-JAX or JAN-ORF? Seeing as how you see folks flying stuff like ORD-LAX-YVR and YYC-PHX-DEN, it can't be too far-fetched to think of MIA as a viable alternative to ATL and CLT.

Charleston and Knoxville now gain access to American's comprehensive Latin American and Caribbean network, bringing everything from Costa Rica and Cancun to Barbados and Rio within easy reach. Good for them.

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2009-07-25 18:01:47 and read 7405 times.



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
Would it be crazy to think that Miami could continue to develop into a true Southeast hub to serve pax flying, say, MSY-JAX or JAN-ORF?

AA already prices MIA as a reasonable connecting option from JAX to just about anywhere in the MIA network. At least with respect to JAX, the loads are generally pretty low, so they might as well connect some passengers through MIA.

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: Miaiadbos
Posted 2009-07-25 18:15:42 and read 7378 times.

is american eagle planning on adding more flights in miami once their new Regional Commuter Facility is open?

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: AJMIA
Posted 2009-07-25 19:31:14 and read 7254 times.



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
The schedules don't seem to be published yet.

The schedules should be loaded in Sabre Sunday.

AJMIA

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: Tys777
Posted 2009-07-25 19:41:13 and read 7229 times.



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
I have been told American Eagle will launch daily non-stop service between Miami and both Charleston, S.C. and Knoxville, Tenn.

oh man!! Starts right after I have moved away, I would have like to see this last summer. Oh well. Nice to see my old home airport still going strong, they havn't lost too much.

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: CIDflyer
Posted 2009-07-25 22:29:14 and read 7094 times.

I've always wondered when they would start MIA-PNS, that has been rumored for a while now.

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2009-07-26 02:48:08 and read 7001 times.

All Eagle MIA flying is switching from ERJ-140s to ERJ-145s. Also, Miami-Savannah switches from ATR to ERJs:

AA 4380 MIA 2015-2235 TYS Daily ER4
AA 4386 TYS 0840-1050 MIA Daily ER4

AA 3519 CHS 1205-1350 MIA Daily ER4
AA 3518 MIA 1425-1600 CHS Daily ER4

AA 3433 SAV 1150-1325 MIA Daily ER4
AA 3432 MIA 1405-1530 SAV Daily ER4

A few more AA stations in the Southeast are being penned to possibly get MIA service on December 17th launch, or so I hear. The single-daily RJ routes to destinations like Louisville, Norfolk and others are traditionally strong performers because AA fills them with high-yielding Caribbean traffic. These are routes are also very important to keep Caribbean marketshare from slipping to US and DL.

And, also, MIA-GGT had been removed from AA's res systems and OAG last week, but that was in error. It has been re-loaded. And Miami-Freeport gets a fourth daily.

[Edited 2009-07-26 02:51:10]

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: CIDflyer
Posted 2009-07-26 16:22:13 and read 5598 times.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
A few more AA stations in the Southeast are being penned to possibly get MIA service on December 17th launch, or so I hear.

I wonder what other stations they will be. I think PNS-MIA is a given, but what about others like BHM-MIA, MOB-MIA, GSP-MIA, CAE-MIA, GPT-MIA and VPS-MIA?

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: DiscoverCSG
Posted 2009-07-27 06:30:35 and read 5392 times.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):

AA 4380 MIA 2015-2235 TYS Daily ER4
AA 4386 TYS 0840-1050 MIA Daily ER4

AA 3519 CHS 1205-1350 MIA Daily ER4
AA 3518 MIA 1425-1600 CHS Daily ER4

AA 3433 SAV 1150-1325 MIA Daily ER4
AA 3432 MIA 1405-1530 SAV Daily ER4

In another thread recently, there was tangential discussion about the banked-ness of the MIA hub. I thought it might be interesting to analyze how the timing of these new flights will (or will not) allow for connections:

TYS - seems to allow northbound connections from Caribbean markets, but what about southbound?

CHS - I can't make sense of this except from an aircraft utilization perspective. What connections are available with a midday turn like that, except a few high-frequency Caribbean markets and maybe Europe?

SAV - Same as CHS.

Thoughts?

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: Tonytifao
Posted 2009-07-27 08:39:47 and read 5300 times.

Any chance AA would start MLB?

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2009-07-27 10:04:33 and read 5228 times.



Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 10):
TYS - seems to allow northbound connections from Caribbean markets, but what about southbound?

It allows southbound, too. It leaves at 8PM. Longer layover on the return, though.

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 10):

CHS - I can't make sense of this except from an aircraft utilization perspective. What connections are available with a midday turn like that, except a few high-frequency Caribbean markets and maybe Europe?

The high-frequency markets - CUN, NAS, SJU and FPO - probably account for upwards of 80% of the Caribbean market from CHS and SAV and all can be connected with a 60-100 minute layover. Flights are also well timed for cruise ships (keeping in mind that people nowadays usually fly in the day before the cruise departs and fly out the day the cruise arrives) and well-timed for vacationers traveling to SAV and CHS, keeping in mind both Charleston and Savannah are popular vacation destinations for South Floridians.

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2009-07-27 13:00:01 and read 5158 times.

Obligatory press releases with quotes of excitement from local officials:

Charleston:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Americ...to-prnews-4248356939.html?x=0&.v=1

Knoxville:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Americ...to-prnews-2094964879.html?x=0&.v=1

Unofficially, I am hearing Birmingham and Pensacola are in the running for December launches. Though, honestly, these two have been "in the running" for about five years now.

AA likes the MIA-Southeast RJ routes: No competition, high-fare local markets, great feeders for high-fare Caribbean markets. All the markets are being upgraded to ERJ-145s on November 19th.

[Edited 2009-07-27 13:01:10]

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: Joeljack
Posted 2009-07-27 13:14:46 and read 5131 times.

Could a CR7 fly OMA-MIA? Any chance of this? Currently no nonstop service from OMA to Florida at all.

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: ATLgaUSA
Posted 2009-07-27 14:54:10 and read 5049 times.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):

According to Faremeasure.com, Knoxville averages 144 passengers a day to Fort Lauderdale (708 miles, average one-way fare of $148.32) and 36 passengers a day to Miami (724 miles, average one-way fare of $285.01), for a total of 180 daily passengers from Knoxville to South Florida.

Charleston averages 56 passengers a day to Fort Lauderdale (470 miles, average one-way fare of $207.68) and 48 passengers a day to Miami (490 miles, average one-way fare of $227.03), for a total of 104 daily passengers between Charleston and South Florida.

Birmingham averages 201 passengers a day to Fort Lauderdale (650 miles, average one-way fare 154.79) and 34 passengers a day to Miami (661 miles, average one-way fare of $254.20), for a total of 235 daily passengers between Birmingham and South Florida.

Based on these numbers, it is puzzling why American decided to start flights from Miami to Charleston and Knoxville, but not Birmingham. American must have some concern that Southwest would retaliate with non-stop flights and lower fares between Birmingham and Fort Lauderdale.

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2009-07-27 15:01:51 and read 5033 times.



Quoting ATLgaUSA (Reply 15):
Based on these numbers, it is puzzling why American decided to start flights from Miami to Charleston and Knoxville, but not Birmingham. American must have some concern that Southwest would retaliate with non-stop flights and lower fares between Birmingham and Fort Lauderdale.

Well, other factors play in to it.

For example, American Airlines is very strong in Knoxville, one of few Southeast markets where AA has Chicago service. And, actually, American is competing with Allegiant in this market.

Charleston is a popular tourist destination, so AA can capture some traffic that might otherwise be driving from South Florida to Charleston.

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2009-07-27 15:08:53 and read 5017 times.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
For example, American Airlines is very strong in Knoxville, one of few Southeast markets where AA has Chicago service. And, actually, American is competing with Allegiant in this market.

True. AA does well to TYS from ORD and DFW. However, AA couldnt make ORD-BHM work. Right now they only have BHM service to DFW. This is no doubt because of competition from WN and UA. However, there isnt any nonstop service between BHM and Southern Florida, which makes me think that there is room for at least a daily RJ.

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2009-07-27 15:36:23 and read 4989 times.



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 17):
However, there isnt any nonstop service between BHM and Southern Florida, which makes me think that there is room for at least a daily RJ.

Yet there was a Net SAAver yesterday for BHM-SKB: $579 round-trip, via Dallas and Miami.

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2009-07-27 16:19:48 and read 4946 times.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
Yet there was a Net SAAver yesterday for BHM-SKB: $579 round-trip, via Dallas and Miami.

Dont know how many people from BHM fly to SKB, but point taken.

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2009-07-27 16:21:55 and read 4942 times.



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 19):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
Yet there was a Net SAAver yesterday for BHM-SKB: $579 round-trip, via Dallas and Miami.

Dont know how many people from BHM fly to SKB, but point taken.

I don't know either. I guess the point was that AA might be testing the waters about capturing that traffic.

And it was also making a point about how high-fare a market Southeast-Caribbean is; a good place for AA to put some ERJ capacity right now. It's not the trash yield market people think it is, outside of maybe Montego Bay.

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: Skyteam10001
Posted 2009-07-27 16:55:22 and read 4915 times.

I am excited for the 4th daily MIA-FPO frequency. At a time when the Grand Bahama economy is suffering, it is great to see that AA is increasing the number of available daily seats to and from the island. It can only help the island's tourism business.

Now i wish other airlines would do the same ! (I know about West Jet 2 weekly YYZ-FPO service staring this fall too)

A.

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: AAAL
Posted 2009-07-27 18:16:52 and read 4862 times.

Great news, now AA start the old intra-Florida routes! Then I would really love you.

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2009-07-27 18:18:13 and read 4859 times.



Quoting AAAL (Reply 22):
Great news, now AA start the old intra-Florida routes! Then I would really love you.

What is stopping this is lack of the appropriate airplane. Most of these routes need a 19-30 seater prop.

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: Flyinryan99
Posted 2009-07-27 18:25:39 and read 4851 times.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 23):
What is stopping this is lack of the appropriate airplane. Most of these routes need a 19-30 seater prop.

Speaking of airplanes...where are they getting this airplane to run these new flights?

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2009-07-27 20:53:14 and read 4775 times.



Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 24):
Speaking of airplanes...where are they getting this airplane to run these new flights?

Reduced frequencies elsewhere. They are cutting everywhere except Miami and San Juan. Also, I believe that DFW capacity is up, but frequencies are down.

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2009-07-27 21:20:51 and read 4887 times.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 25):
They are cutting everywhere except Miami and San Juan. Also, I believe that DFW capacity is up, but frequencies are down.

I dont study MIA and SJU capactiy as closely as you do, but this winter DFW will be up YOY from last winter by 19 flights. 749 this winter vs. 730 from last winter. Im guessing all that slashing at STL as well as some frequency cuts at ORD are where we are seeing the planes for these flights come from.

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2009-07-27 21:48:26 and read 4864 times.



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 26):
I dont study MIA and SJU capactiy as closely as you do, but this winter DFW will be up YOY from last winter by 19 flights. 749 this winter vs. 730 from last winter.

Then maybe its the reverse - frequencies up and capacity down? I'm pretty sure one of the two stats is in the negative, but I don't have the figures to check right now.

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: GSPSPOT
Posted 2009-07-28 05:37:00 and read 4782 times.



Quoting GSP+psgr" class=quote target=_blank>GSP psgr (Reply 1):
(Gnashing of teeth).

I feel ya! Would figure GSP-MIA could make it, since you see Florida licence plates all over downtown. Yes, there is a huge connection between Western N. Carolina and Florida, but you see LOTS of folks from Florida around here, too.

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: AVLAirlineFreq
Posted 2009-07-28 05:56:05 and read 4775 times.



Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 28):
I feel ya! Would figure GSP-MIA could make it, since you see Florida licence plates all over downtown. Yes, there is a huge connection between Western N. Carolina and Florida, but you see LOTS of folks from Florida around here, too.

And then there are those of us in AVL who crave any kind of AA service--ORD, DFW--but who would especially welcome service to MIA for that reason (and selfish personal ones, too).

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2009-07-28 17:26:54 and read 4564 times.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 27):
Then maybe its the reverse - frequencies up and capacity down? I'm pretty sure one of the two stats is in the negative, but I don't have the figures to check right now.

Given that the Saabs were retired in late 2008, I'd be surprised if seats are down YOY if frequencies are up.

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: JDAirCEO
Posted 2009-07-28 18:45:35 and read 4509 times.



Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 29):
And then there are those of us in AVL who crave any kind of AA service--ORD, DFW--but who would especially welcome service to MIA for that reason

There are lots of cities in the region I wish AA would serve... AVL, TRI, ROA, LYC. I'm not sure that locals would give up DL or US enough to make any kind of service work. ROA has a large catchment area but is down to RJs all day...

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: CIDflyer
Posted 2009-07-28 19:27:41 and read 4474 times.



Quoting JDAirCEO (Reply 31):
There are lots of cities in the region I wish AA would serve... AVL, TRI, ROA, LYC. I'm not sure that locals would give up DL or US enough to make any kind of service work. ROA has a large catchment area but is down to RJs all day...

very true, AA gave up alot of these type of markets when they shut down the hubs at RDU and BNA. Only way I ever see them big in this region again is if they acquire US and its CLT hub.

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: KcrwFlyer
Posted 2009-07-28 23:14:41 and read 4396 times.



Quoting JDAirCEO (Reply 31):
There are lots of cities in the region I wish AA would serve... AVL, TRI, ROA, LYC. I'm not sure that locals would give up DL or US enough to make any kind of service work. ROA has a large catchment area but is down to RJs all day...

LYH?

Speaking of this region, I'd love to see AA get on CRW-ORD or DFW. They've been here since April flying to LGA.

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2009-08-05 13:00:42 and read 4043 times.



Quoting GSP+psgr" class=quote target=_blank>GSP psgr (Reply 1):
(Gnashing of teeth). I'm possibly starting a job in South Florida in the next few weeks, and I was hoping that Eagle would start MIA-GSP to make it easier to get back and forth to/from the parents.

Stay tuned for that one...

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: Aajfksjubklyn
Posted 2009-08-05 13:47:56 and read 3971 times.

WHat is AA's hesitancy in NY? From everything I read it's such a critical market to them, AA has been my airline since flying an UM since the late 70's early 80's till today (To prove some of the FA's are still there). As example, Concierge Key, there elite top of the top list is for the most part a NY market, but yet, AA is becoming half of what it used to be here. Whats down the road for them? Other then renting gate space to other airlines at JFK?

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2009-08-05 13:58:34 and read 3941 times.

Could Eagle try FWA-MIA?

AA is a strong #2 behind DL at FWA (was #1 until DL and NW merged), serving both ORD and DFW from the market, plus FWA has high volume to Latin America due to the auto parts manufacturers plus the local General Motors truck plant (and DL is constantly full to ATL). FWA-MIA would also lead to increased connectivity for cruise ship passengers and Caribbean destinations. At the same time, FWA is a high-fare/yield local market, which AA/Eagle loves. And although G4 tried FWA-FLL, it was aimed heavily at vacationers, and G4 had too many launch issues at FLL that sank the route.

Does the E145 have the range? After all, it does FWA-DFW and IND-MIA just fine...

[Edited 2009-08-05 14:00:14]

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: KcrwFlyer
Posted 2009-08-05 15:14:49 and read 3843 times.



Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 36):
Could Eagle try FWA-MIA?

No probably not. There would have to be a very large business connection to warrant that. I'm thinking that if G4 couldnt make it work, AA would have a tough time offering a remotely appealing fare on a 37 or 50 seater.

Topic: RE: AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS
Username: OB1504
Posted 2009-08-05 15:56:36 and read 3785 times.



Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 37):
No probably not. There would have to be a very large business connection to warrant that. I'm thinking that if G4 couldnt make it work, AA would have a tough time offering a remotely appealing fare on a 37 or 50 seater.

G4 primarily focuses on O&D traffic, while AA has a hub on the MIA side with many connecting opportunities to Latin America. I still think it's a bit of a long shot.


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