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Topic: Continental 737-300s Being Retired?
Username: B727LVR
Posted 2009-08-02 04:39:08 and read 5637 times.

I notice that a secon CO 733 has gone to ROW. Are they retiring any of their A/C or are they going to paint? I saw one earlier in July, but can't find the flight info on it anymore. Here is the flight info for the current one:


http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...0/history/20090731/1410Z/KINT/KROW


Would be nice to see my buddies in ROW getting some business, even if it was short term!

Topic: Continental 737-300s Being Retired?
Username: BMI727
Posted 2009-08-02 04:47:34 and read 5625 times.



Quoting B727LVR (Thread starter):
Are they retiring any of their A/C or are they going to paint?

I think that all of the 737-300s are scheduled to be retired by the end of this year. 37 of the -500s will be retained however.

Topic: RE: Continental 737-300s Being Retired?
Username: IAHFLYR
Posted 2009-08-02 06:49:59 and read 5515 times.



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
I think that all of the 737-300s are scheduled to be retired by the end of this year. 37 of the -500s will be retained however.

According to the last CO fleet information I was able to find quickly you are correct.

http://www.continental.com/web/en-US...ntinental_8k_2009_042201.pdf#fleet

Topic: RE: Continental 737-300s Being Retired?
Username: CF-CPI
Posted 2009-08-02 07:00:42 and read 5497 times.

I rode one of their -300s last winter and now I'm pleased to have gotten on one. It was equipped with winglets, certainly unusual for a pre-NG bird. It added a certain sportiness to an otherwise ho-hum aircraft.

Any details on which regs have been parked?

Topic: RE: Continental 737-300s Being Retired?
Username: Hawaiian763
Posted 2009-08-02 07:29:59 and read 5455 times.

Looks like the end of 737-300's in the US. First UA, than CO. Who will be next? US ?

Topic: RE: Continental 737-300s Being Retired?
Username: MasseyBrown
Posted 2009-08-02 09:48:59 and read 5315 times.



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 2):
According to the last CO fleet information...

There is a more current version with a few minor 733/735 changes: http://www.continental.com/web/en-US...ntinental_8k_2009_072101.pdf#fleet

Topic: RE: Continental 737-300s Being Retired?
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2009-08-02 09:54:15 and read 5298 times.

Yes the retirement were announced at the earnings call, and as a result CO is furloughing pilots.

CO Reductions - 310 Pilots (by RonmacIAH Jul 23 2009 in Civil Aviation)

Topic: RE: Continental 737-300s Being Retired?
Username: OB1504
Posted 2009-08-02 09:57:12 and read 5288 times.

I just saw their first 733 at MIA the other day and I had no idea she only had a few months left. Why are they keeping the 735 over the 733?

Topic: RE: Continental 737-300s Being Retired?
Username: Reddevl442
Posted 2009-08-02 10:01:51 and read 5278 times.

Southwest still flies a good number of -300s. They are adding winglets to the fleet as well.

Topic: RE: Continental 737-300s Being Retired?
Username: STT757
Posted 2009-08-02 10:02:12 and read 5271 times.



Quoting OB1504 (Reply 7):
Why are they keeping the 735 over the 733?

For one thing the 737-500s are newer, the first batch of 737-500s were delivered to CO in March 1994.

Topic: RE: Continental 737-300s Being Retired?
Username: MasseyBrown
Posted 2009-08-02 10:14:47 and read 5244 times.



Quoting OB1504 (Reply 7):
Why are they keeping the 735 over the 733?

In addition to what STT757 said, the 735's are owned; they can only sell them or park them - and CO is having a hard time finding buyers willing to pay what's still owed on them. The 733's are leased and can be returned to the lessor at a comparatively small penalty.

Topic: RE: Continental 737-300s Being Retired?
Username: CodyKDiamond
Posted 2009-08-02 10:20:42 and read 5236 times.

This is so terrible, I took my first flight on ship 341. Unfortunately, I have seen three scrapped at OPF with two on the way. Ship 502 is on her belly on the chopping block now. I had been on all the ones while they were at OPF. As a sidenote SWA's N674AA was sent to OPF and scrapped which I have been on. That was the first 737 to ever wear the full AA livery.

Topic: RE: Continental 737-300s Being Retired?
Username: United_Fan
Posted 2009-08-02 12:51:10 and read 5082 times.

Man,how time flies . I'm 38,and i remember when the -300's came out.......To me,a 733 with winglets would be a great biz jet. Cheaper than a new BBJ.

Topic: RE: Continental 737-300s Being Retired?
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2009-08-02 15:42:06 and read 4898 times.



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):
and as a result CO is furloughing pilots

Ultimately, they will only have a net loss of 5 737s, so they must be parking some as well but not retiring them, or decreasing utilization in order to announce pilot furloughs. Otherwise, scheduling and attrition would be enough, and they wouldn't need to furlough 310 pilots.

Topic: RE: Continental 737-300s Being Retired?
Username: Argonaut
Posted 2009-08-02 17:19:25 and read 4808 times.



Quoting OB1504 (Reply 7):
Why are they keeping the 735 over the 733?

To add to the answers already given, these are far from comparable aircraft. The 735s have a lower capacity and therefore a different mission from that of the 733s. Continental presumably perceives a continuing need for the former while finding it has too many of the latter for its requirements.


rj

Topic: RE: Continental 737-300s Being Retired?
Username: Tommy767
Posted 2009-08-03 01:02:35 and read 4576 times.

Which were the CO 733s that had CRTs on them in the isles? Did they ever get removed? I remember seeing a trip report in 2006 that had the CRTs still implemented for the safety video...

Topic: RE: Continental 737-300s Being Retired?
Username: Flighty
Posted 2009-08-03 01:56:26 and read 4547 times.



Quoting United_Fan (Reply 13):
Man,how time flies . I'm 38,and i remember when the -300's came out.......To me,a 733 with winglets would be a great biz jet. Cheaper than a new BBJ.

Yes. At least one vendor, Project Phoenix Aircraft, appears to say they are considering building a series of BBJ lookalikes from older 737s.

Topic: RE: Continental 737-300s Being Retired?
Username: Max Q
Posted 2009-08-03 02:10:52 and read 4524 times.

Well,

It's very sad to see furloughs (especially unecessary ones) but I will not be sad to see the -300's go.


They are old and tired and terribly slow, with the old technology wing it's like having a built in headwind everywhere you go !

Topic: RE: Continental 737-300s Being Retired?
Username: A340Spotter
Posted 2009-08-03 02:31:27 and read 4510 times.



Quoting OB1504 (Reply 7):
I just saw their first 733 at MIA the other day and I had no idea she
only had a few months left.

A/C 301 actually had only a few days left when you saw her. She's been retired to ARG for scrapping.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...1/history/20090731/1517Z/KIAH/KARG

As for ROW, there have been 4 737-300s that were stored in INT, had their winglets removed and have been flown to ROW for part-out as well. A/C 343 and 345 were the last 2, ac 337 and 342 went at the end of June.

JSD

Topic: RE: Continental 737-300s Being Retired?
Username: Iaherj
Posted 2009-08-03 17:42:45 and read 4031 times.

I just had a deadhead segment on on of our old -300's a few days ago. The seats are not comfortable, it is slow, we incurred a long ground delay in EWR due to wx and with the engines shutdown, the APU is not able to run both air conditioning packs in a manner reflecting Continental's operational chart: Safety/Passenger comfort/On-time/Efficiency. Wow! What a run on sentence..... sorry. Fast forward to today. I took a quick trip on one of our 737-700's from to AUS as a passenger. 124 seats.... Burns less fuel.... Today was 100 degrees in both cities and the cabin was kept nice and cool the whole trip. I used to fly hte -300's. I liked the airplane. It flies well. It has the best lines of the 737 series(read looks). But it has got to go. The new seats in our NG's are built for long legs.

Topic: RE: Continental 737-300s Being Retired?
Username: STT757
Posted 2009-08-03 17:55:07 and read 4009 times.



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 16):
Which were the CO 733s that had CRTs on them in the isles? Did they ever get removed? I remember seeing a trip report in 2006 that had the CRTs still implemented for the safety video...

At one time CO was flying 737-300s nonstop from IAD-LAX, that was before they shut dow the IAD hub and consolidated everything at EWR ('86). They were doing some long flights, my only experience with the CRT equipped CO 737-300s was LAX-SFO in November 1997. I was connecting from EWR to SFO via LAX, the LAX-SFO portion was flown by a CRT equipped CO 737-300 that had come in from CLE.

They showed some sitcoms (Seinfeld), but most of the programming was music videos. Spice Girls sticks out in my mind.

Topic: RE: Continental 737-300s Being Retired?
Username: AA737-823
Posted 2009-08-03 18:46:22 and read 3966 times.



Quoting Iaherj (Reply 20):
the APU is not able to run both air conditioning packs in a manner reflecting Continental's operational chart: Safety/Passenger comfort/On-time/Efficiency

No, it cannot flow enough air (due to design) to operate both packs effectively. You CAN run both packs, but they won't perform as promised, due to an airflow shortage of about 60 pounds per minute.

Quoting Iaherj (Reply 20):
I took a quick trip on one of our 737-700's from to AUS as a passenger. 124 seats.... Burns less fuel.... Today was 100 degrees in both cities and the cabin was kept nice and cool the whole trip.

Ironically, one of the great things about the 737-NG APU is that it actually burns LESS FUEL if you run BOTH PACKS than if you only run one. Not sure why this is- a coworker and I are currently involved in a chronic argument about it, BUT- you can watch it on the APU fuel flow gage on the MCDU.
Of course, it burns even less fuel if you turn both packs off..... but then people get gripey, and flight attendants don't like that.

Quoting Iaherj (Reply 20):
It has the best lines of the 737 series(read looks).

No, you're quite wrong there. You're thinking of the -200.  Smile

Topic: RE: Continental 737-300s Being Retired?
Username: IAHFLYR
Posted 2009-08-03 19:55:42 and read 3898 times.



Quoting Iaherj (Reply 19):
it is slow

Just like the 500's, slow and burns alot more gas than the NG' as has been mentioned previously.

Funny thing is they are sooooo slow, the very airplanes which some mainline pilots detest can run circles around them at cruise and do.

The first 300 I flew on was back in 1989 and it was unique with the motors having the flat bottom, but their time has come.
 tombstone 

Topic: RE: Continental 737-300s Being Retired?
Username: B727LVR
Posted 2009-08-05 01:12:50 and read 3632 times.

How much life is left in these old girls? Could they be converted to freighters and flown for another 5 years or so?

Topic: RE: Continental 737-300s Being Retired?
Username: A340Spotter
Posted 2009-08-05 14:25:57 and read 3441 times.



Quoting B727LVR (Reply 23):
How much life is left in these old girls? Could they be converted to freighters and flown for another 5 years or so?

Cycle and TT wise, they had time left to be flown onward, however there are companies that are in need of 737-300 parts and these 737-300s were worth more to be parted out than continuing to fly, be it for CO or other airlines.

Ship 303 joined 301 up at ARG yesterday, by the way.

JSD

Topic: RE: Continental 737-300s Being Retired?
Username: MSYPI7185
Posted 2009-08-06 03:35:32 and read 3245 times.



Quoting Hawaiian763 (Reply 4):
Looks like the end of 737-300's in the US. First UA, than CO. Who will be next? US ?

US has already begun retiring their 733 fleet as well as 734. US being the launch customer for the 733 and PI the launch for the 734 (PI became US before the first delivery of a 734) has the oldest or at least one of the oldest 733 fleets. Quite a few are 25 yrs old and have many cycles. WN has a quite a few of the early 733's as well so it is about time they go.

It is hard to believe the 733 and 734's are as old as they are as I can remember when we took delivery of these birds and in no way does it seem like 20+ years.

MD

Topic: RE: Continental 737-300s Being Retired?
Username: RayChuang
Posted 2009-08-06 04:27:19 and read 3293 times.

The CO and US 733 retirements are not surprising considering these planes may have a huge number of takeoff/landing cycles on them, and may be approaching the end of their structural lives. It's likely all salvageable parts will go to other airlines with well-maintained 733 fleets (read: WN).

Topic: RE: Continental 737-300s Being Retired?
Username: Jacobcal
Posted 2009-08-06 09:32:01 and read 3174 times.

As a flight attendant I'm very glad to see these planes go but as an airline buff it makes me sad. These birds have served us well at CO. I will be flying to ORD tomorrow and back to EWR on Monday and both flights are being operated by a -300. I'll be sure to bid it a fond farewell because this will most likely be my last flight on a CO B737-3TO.

JacobCAL

Topic: RE: Continental 737-300s Being Retired?
Username: MSYPI7185
Posted 2009-08-06 13:04:52 and read 3057 times.



Quoting RayChuang (Reply 26):
The CO and US 733 retirements are not surprising considering these planes may have a huge number of takeoff/landing cycles on them, and may be approaching the end of their structural lives. It's likely all salvageable parts will go to other airlines with well-maintained 733 fleets (read: WN).

IIRC WN is scheduled to have retired all of their 733 fleet by the end of 2010 if not sooner.

Topic: RE: Continental 737-300s Being Retired?
Username: DescendVia
Posted 2009-08-06 17:17:03 and read 2912 times.



Quoting MSYPI7185 (Reply 28):
IIRC WN is scheduled to have retired all of their 733 fleet by the end of 2010 if not sooner.

No its the 735 fleet. Most of the 737-300s are getting the RNP conversion.


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