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Topic: AA To Increase MIA-LIM
Username: AJMIA
Posted 2009-08-16 19:23:39 and read 4895 times.

Effective 2/11/10 AA will add an additional MIA-LIM frequency for 3x daily.

The new flight will operate with a 757

AA2383 MIA - LIM 1800 -2350
AA2384 LIM - MIA 1040-1630

This is a great move! The current 1x 767, 1x 757 flights have been going out jam packed. Too bad we have to wait all the way until February for it to start.

AJMIA

Topic: RE: AA To Increase MIA-LIM
Username: Anetter123
Posted 2009-08-16 20:03:12 and read 4823 times.

The 757's on this route are going to be A NIGHTMARE for carry on bags...LOL.

Glad to see AA add more frequency to LIM. Too bad they discontinued it from DFW years ago...

Topic: RE: AA To Increase MIA-LIM
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2009-08-16 20:07:40 and read 4804 times.

Great to see AA return to 3x daily. It was 3x daily in the late 1990s.

Topic: RE: AA To Increase MIA-LIM
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2009-08-16 20:11:56 and read 4791 times.

Great news!

Quoting Anetter123 (Reply 1):
Too bad they discontinued it from DFW years ago...

I couldnt figure out why they couldnt make it work from DFW either, but they couldnt. It was a bad preformer.

Topic: RE: AA To Increase MIA-LIM
Username: BigGSFO
Posted 2009-08-16 20:50:00 and read 4704 times.



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 3):
I couldnt figure out why they couldnt make it work from DFW either, but they couldnt. It was a bad preformer.

Does a 738 have the legs for DFW-LIM?

Topic: RE: AA To Increase MIA-LIM
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2009-08-16 20:54:53 and read 4681 times.



Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 4):
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 3):
I couldnt figure out why they couldnt make it work from DFW either, but they couldnt. It was a bad preformer.

Does a 738 have the legs for DFW-LIM?

No, but even if it did, that does not solve anything in a trash yield, high-density market.

Topic: RE: AA To Increase MIA-LIM
Username: SCL767
Posted 2009-08-16 21:10:32 and read 4638 times.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
Great to see AA return to 3x daily. It was 3x daily in the late 1990s.

It's nice to see MIA-PTY 3x daily as well. It looks like only MIA-EZE, MIA-GRU and MIA-LHR will operate all B772 flights for the winter. Plus daily B772 flights on MIA-LAX and MIA-DFW. It doesn't look like the B772 will operate MIA-SCL after all. Also, no extra seasonal nonstop flights between MIA and SCL?

Topic: RE: AA To Increase MIA-LIM
Username: OP3000
Posted 2009-08-16 21:11:47 and read 4638 times.

This coincides with NK being driven out of FLL-LIM. And its a sign the travel market and Peruvian economy are holding up better than others. Anybody know how AA and LA compete in terms of loads on this route?

Topic: RE: AA To Increase MIA-LIM
Username: Ssides
Posted 2009-08-16 21:15:40 and read 4619 times.



Quoting Anetter123 (Reply 1):
Too bad they discontinued it from DFW years ago...

Yep. I wish that flight would return.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
Great to see AA return to 3x daily. It was 3x daily in the late 1990s.

Mark, you're the expert here. Any info on (a) what was causing such poor performance on DFW-LIM, and (b) if there is any chance of DFW-LIM returning?

Topic: RE: AA To Increase MIA-LIM
Username: SCL767
Posted 2009-08-16 21:30:45 and read 4589 times.

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Quoting OP3000 (Reply 7):
Anybody know how AA and LA compete in terms of loads on this route?

LA operates MIA-LIM-MIA 9x weekly. LP operates MIA-LIM-MIA 2x weekly and will soon begin LIM-PUJ-MIA 2x weekly, all flights operated with the B763.

Topic: RE: AA To Increase MIA-LIM
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2009-08-16 21:44:48 and read 4557 times.



Quoting OP3000 (Reply 7):
This coincides with NK being driven out of FLL-LIM.

Spirit isn't ending Lima, albeit I notice pretty heavy reductions in frequency in GDS.

Quoting Ssides (Reply 8):
Mark, you're the expert here. Any info on (a) what was causing such poor performance on DFW-LIM, and (b) if there is any chance of DFW-LIM returning?

Virtually no local demand combined with the fact that the little demand that exists to Peru outside the Eastern U.S. is almost all from Los Angeles.

MIA, NYC, WAS and LAX probably account for 80%+ of U.S.-Peru demand.

Topic: RE: AA To Increase MIA-LIM
Username: Alianza
Posted 2009-08-17 07:06:44 and read 4298 times.

Great to see AA adding service to LIM. Adding a second 763 might have been a better choice.

Quoting OP3000 (Reply 7):
This coincides with NK being driven out of FLL-LIM. And its a sign the travel market and Peruvian economy are holding up better than others. Anybody know how AA and LA compete in terms of loads on this route?

Driven out? AA and NK are two different products/clienteles and price points. NK has an interest in starting FLL to Chiclayo, Peru.

Peru's economy has "held up" only because it was really cooking when the downturn was starting to be felt in countries around the world. Possibly, Peruvians are traveling more to Florida, but their economy does not have a major impact on international airlines to LIM, as the traveling Peruvian population is too little to really cause a negative punch to a major international carrier.

Topic: RE: AA To Increase MIA-LIM
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2009-08-17 07:17:47 and read 4270 times.



Quoting Alianza (Reply 11):
NK has an interest in starting FLL to Chiclayo, Peru.

I still don't know what that's about, nor see it happening. If they've reduced LIM from a peak of 2x daily down to once weekly for the foreseeable future, CIX is a lost cause.

Topic: RE: AA To Increase MIA-LIM
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2009-08-17 07:52:32 and read 4199 times.



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9):
LA operates MIA-LIM-MIA 9x weekly. LP operates MIA-LIM-MIA 2x weekly and will soon begin LIM-PUJ-MIA 2x weekly, all flights operated with the B763.

wow, 3 AA + almost 2 daily LA/LP is a lot for OneWorld. Seems that AA is doing very well in LIM and continue to take care of it's strong position in South America.

Topic: RE: AA To Increase MIA-LIM
Username: Alianza
Posted 2009-08-17 08:33:34 and read 4112 times.



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 12):
NK has an interest in starting FLL to Chiclayo, Peru.

I still don't know what that's about, nor see it happening. If they've reduced LIM from a peak of 2x daily down to once weekly for the foreseeable future, CIX is a lost cause.

Yeah. But then, AA at a higher price point is doing better to Lim than NK at a lower price point. Seems like it should be the other way around. A larger feed network for connections via MIA and brand/product recognition defintely help.


Rgds,

Topic: RE: AA To Increase MIA-LIM
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2009-08-17 11:11:24 and read 3955 times.



Quoting Alianza (Reply 14):
Yeah. But then, AA at a higher price point is doing better to Lim than NK at a lower price point. Seems like it should be the other way around. A larger feed network for connections via MIA and brand/product recognition defintely help.

Spirit's demphasis on customer service has been a disaster for them. Destinations launch very strong - Lima was doing so well at launch it went 2x daily within a few months - and then - bam - they can't get a repeat customer for the life of them, and send all that demand back to AA.

Topic: RE: AA To Increase MIA-LIM
Username: Alianza
Posted 2009-08-17 13:01:22 and read 3821 times.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
Spirit's demphasis on customer service has been a disaster for them. Destinations launch very strong - Lima was doing so well at launch it went 2x daily within a few months - and then - bam - they can't get a repeat customer for the life of them, and send all that demand back to AA.

This is an extremely critical issue for NK.. They know this is happening and yet let it continue to erode and jeopardize the company.

I've tried NK, Ryan Air and Easy Jet. The experiences were basically similar onboard and at the gate, aside from seat assignments. It could be that the American traveler learns that the total LCC experience for long haul is not desireable. Then again, I can't speak about the B6 experience to BOG or their return customer success..


Rgds,

Topic: RE: AA To Increase MIA-LIM
Username: OP3000
Posted 2009-08-17 14:43:04 and read 3720 times.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):

Spirit isn't ending Lima, albeit I notice pretty heavy reductions in frequency in GDS.

Not completely yet, but they are down to 1x only on Saturdays from FLL-LIM Sept. 1 - May 1, 2010.

Quoting Alianza (Reply 11):
AA and NK are two different products/clienteles and price points.

NK's LFs (really low) and fares (high) on FLL-LIM were not what you might think, moving a lot of the low yield traffic to LIM over to MIA.

Quoting Alianza (Reply 11):
Possibly, Peruvians are traveling more to Florida, but their economy does not have a major impact on international airlines to LIM, as the traveling Peruvian population is too little to really cause a negative punch to a major international carrier.

Increased business traffic to Peru should also be taken into account, and AA carries the majority of that.

Topic: RE: AA To Increase MIA-LIM
Username: Commavia
Posted 2009-08-17 15:06:06 and read 3688 times.

The 1000 LIM departure looks like it is perfectly designed for connections coming off LP flights from domestic Peru - you have a CUZ, TRU, CIX, AQP and IQT that all have morning LIM flights that could make connections to this. Smart.

Topic: RE: AA To Increase MIA-LIM
Username: 757MDE
Posted 2009-08-17 15:27:57 and read 3661 times.



Quoting Alianza (Reply 16):
I can't speak about the B6 experience to BOG or their return customer success..

I know quite a bunch of repeat customers from B6 here in Colombia, including myself.
They can be LCC in cost and everything, but having tried both AA and B6 from Colombia to the US I can't say AA was overly superior, even if I didn't dislike them.
I don't put B6 in the same category of NK, I don't even see them as low cost except maybe for the full meal (and the ticket cost).

Topic: RE: AA To Increase MIA-LIM
Username: DeltaL1011man
Posted 2009-08-17 18:23:10 and read 3462 times.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):

MIA, NYC, WAS and LAX probably account for 80%+ of U.S.-Peru demand.

Do you know where DL sends most of its PAXs? IIRC its only 1x daily 764 but i believe the flight does pretty well.(i assume Atlanta doesn't have much Peru demand)

Topic: RE: AA To Increase MIA-LIM
Username: RCS763AV
Posted 2009-08-17 21:43:03 and read 3140 times.

Good for Lima. This is indeed an opportunity seen by AA after NK's drastic frequency reduction.

Quoting Alianza (Reply 11):
Peru's economy has "held up" only because it was really cooking when the downturn was starting to be felt in countries around the world.

And because the country has had a policy of fiscal discipline dating form the Fujimori government. Other latin american countries were growing as much as Peru and look at their economies now (Colombia and Chile).


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