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Topic: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: PlaneInsomniac
Posted 2009-08-18 12:09:05 and read 11566 times.

Yesterday, the latest addition to Vancouver's SkyTrain rapid transit system was opened. The Canada Line, built in anticipation of the 2010 Olympics, directly connects YVR (as well as downtown Richmond) to downtown Vancouver. The new train line, which cost $2.0 billion to build, cuts the public transit trip time to merely 25 minutes between YVR and the downtown waterfront. The trains have been specially designed to accommodate passengers traveling with luggage. The one-way fare per passenger is currently $3.75, but a surcharge (about $3) will be added next year for the last section to/from the airport. The project was well ahead of schedule and opened 3.5 months before the originally planned date.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Van...ree+ride+Monday/1899494/story.html

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: EVA777SEA
Posted 2009-08-18 12:15:31 and read 11546 times.

$6.75 for ten miles?! That's very steep.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: PlaneInsomniac
Posted 2009-08-18 12:21:42 and read 11529 times.



Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Thread starter):
$6.75 for ten miles?! That's very steep.

It certainly beats the current options both with respect to price and trip time.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Dlowwa
Posted 2009-08-18 12:46:55 and read 11471 times.

For once government and taxes have been put to good use. I took it into work today, and it's going to save me about an hour's worth of travel time each day. Can't tell you how long I've been waiting for this...

The previous options for getting downtown from YVR involved either a cab, someone picking you up, airport shuttle bus (to some hotels only), or a convoluted connection of local buses, all of which either cost more or took longer (or both). The $6.75 is yes a bit steep but is still good value compared to what the options were before.

It was quite embarrassing pretending to be a major world city/airport without any direct public transit access to the airport. The best part is that not only did it finish three months early, but on budget too.

Dana

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: JoePatroni
Posted 2009-08-18 13:06:31 and read 11433 times.



Quoting EVA777SEA (Reply 1):
$6.75 for ten miles?! That's very steep.

BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) is now $7.95 from SFO to Downtown San Francisco which is only about 8 miles. Talk about steep!

This sounds like a pretty good deal and a much better option than the bus!

JP

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: GSP psgr
Posted 2009-08-18 13:10:18 and read 11423 times.

Now, if only Montreal could get its act together and follow suit.....

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: FighterPilot
Posted 2009-08-18 13:16:19 and read 11401 times.



Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 5):
Now, if only Montreal could get its act together and follow suit.....

And YYZ

Cal  airplane 

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: JRadier
Posted 2009-08-18 13:34:05 and read 11358 times.



Quoting JoePatroni (Reply 4):
BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) is now $7.95 from SFO to Downtown San Francisco which is only about 8 miles. Talk about steep!

Especially compared to CAD6.75, which is USD 6.10. Not bad in my opinion.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Doug_or
Posted 2009-08-18 14:03:34 and read 11297 times.

Alright, trains only, no busses-

EWR- $14
SFO- $7.95
JFK- $7
ORD- $2.25
PDX- $2.25
YVR- CAD$6.75

Additions? Corrections? Anyone know if there will be a surcharge for the service to SEA when that opens up?

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Egcarter
Posted 2009-08-18 14:19:11 and read 11270 times.

SEA - $2.75
EWR - $7.75 (to downtown Newark...remember that's a city destination, too...)

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: JRadier
Posted 2009-08-18 14:31:54 and read 11228 times.

AMS - EUR3.80 - USD5.37
FRA - EUR11.50 - USD16.25 (ICE, normal trains will be cheaper)
MUC - EUR9.20 - USD13 (single ticket for the full network for one day is EUR10)
CPH - DKK31.50 - USD5.98

All are from the airport to the city main station, USD are for current exhangerates.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: KristiaanD
Posted 2009-08-18 14:33:56 and read 11225 times.

To compare with a other country:

AMS - To Amsterdam Central station, roughly 10 miles, $9 by train (Return ticket).

[Edited 2009-08-18 14:34:21]

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: United787
Posted 2009-08-18 14:47:45 and read 11183 times.

Congrats to Vancouver!

MDW $2.25 (11 miles to downtown)
ORD $2.25 (18 miles to downtown)

Quoting Dlowwa (Reply 3):
It was quite embarrassing pretending to be a major world city/airport without any direct public transit access to the airport.

Even NYC didn't have public transit to EWR and JFK until relatively recently and the connection isn't direct, and LGA still only has a bus connection!

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Ushermittwoch
Posted 2009-08-18 14:53:26 and read 11167 times.

MSP is 1.75 and 2.25 during rush hour.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Rikkus67
Posted 2009-08-18 14:57:38 and read 11156 times.



Quoting FighterPilot (Reply 6):
Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 5):
Now, if only Montreal could get its act together and follow suit.....


And YYZ

...and YYC. Although we aren't considered a "world city", it will be great to finally have our Light Rail Transit going to the airport.

Rik

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: EVA777SEA
Posted 2009-08-18 14:59:40 and read 11152 times.



Quoting JRadier (Reply 7):
Especially compared to CAD6.75, which is USD 6.10. Not bad in my opinion.

Yes but the Canada line is a rapid transit line and not an express service to the airport like the JFK or EWR skytrains. It is rediculous to have to pay 6.75 to go 10 miles on a RAPID TRANSIT line, or at least here in North America.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Astral
Posted 2009-08-18 15:00:02 and read 11146 times.

I lived in Richmond for 30 years, and this is one of the best so far. I remembered the discussions, plans and so on and so on for such a rapid transit line for almost 25 years. If it is not the Winter Olympic coming in 2010, it would not happen at all.
Richmond is one of the best city in Lower Mainland to live, and has the most efficient city government. We now have the Olympic Speed Skating Oval build at a very low cost to us in Richmond, and will be the community function point in the years ahead. With the RAV line in place, plus the best highway connection points south of Fraser River, easy access to the US boarder, Richmond can be one of the best example of a functional city planning for us in Canada.
One of the sad part with the opening of the RAV line is that the YVR Airporter bus will stop operations in 30 days. At CA$14.00 one way, it just can't compete with the taxi (those with baggage, and need door-to-door service) and the RAV line (those travel light). The comforting part is that those bus drivers can still find jobs, especially as the Olympic is coming, the demand of coaches would jump at an alarming rate.
I took the ride this morning to work, and it sure is a wonderful trip. If you ever come to YVR, make sure you take a ride too.
By the way, Vancouver is the first Canadian city to have a rapid transit line service between downtown and airport, not bad at all !!

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Icna05e
Posted 2009-08-18 15:03:21 and read 11139 times.

CDG 8.50€, 40min to Gare du Nord.
LYS is building theirs... 25 min to Part Dieu station, sounds great, but will be 12€ and way too far to be confortably reachable by foot with luggages from the terminals. That's sad, thay had a great opportunity.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: ABQopsHP
Posted 2009-08-18 15:12:21 and read 11113 times.

Complain all you want about the price. Have any of you taken the Bus "the Airporter" from YVR to the Hotels downtown? The Bus goes directly to 6 different stops in downtown YVR for hotel guest. But it still has to deal with all the traffic and lights at intersections, pedestrians and such. All that stoping and going gets tiring after a while, and the last time I took it, it was $22cad r/t. This person has been to YVR 12 times and I will say that I am thrilled to take the SKYtrain and pay the rate.
JD CRPXE

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Scouseflyer
Posted 2009-08-18 15:21:11 and read 11087 times.



Quoting Dlowwa (Reply 3):
The best part is that not only did it finish three months early, but on budget too.

Hopefully the U.K. could borrow some of your planners and projects managers to get things moving on projects in our counrtry (e.g. Heathrow East is already 2 years late and corss rail was originally scoped in the 1970s.....)

For those of you concerned about the price - look at the cost of the Heathrow Express £12.50 or £18 last time I travelled on it
 Wow!

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: PlaneInsomniac
Posted 2009-08-18 15:22:37 and read 11083 times.



Quoting ABQopsHP (Reply 18):
Have any of you taken the Bus "the Airporter" from YVR to the Hotels downtown? The Bus goes directly to 6 different stops in downtown YVR for hotel guest. But it still has to deal with all the traffic and lights at intersections, pedestrians and such.

 checkmark 

Quoting EVA777SEA (Reply 15):
Yes but the Canada line is a rapid transit line and not an express service

Don't forget, despite being "only" labeled a rapid transit system, the Canada Line represents a major construction project. It runs completely underground in and around downtown, with underground stations and all. Part of that underground section runs below an ocean bay. Beyond that area, it runs on an elevated track in order to be independent from normal traffic (hence the name SkyTrain). Major bridge work across the river also had to be done. The SkyTrain is much faster than other options, in particular if there is any street traffic to speak of. I think the fare, whether it is $3.75 or $6.something, is very well justified, and I believe most people agree. It certainly is not only faster, but also a lot cheaper than most alternatives in Vancouver, and also cheaper than public transit to airports in many other cities around the globe.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2009-08-18 17:28:53 and read 10928 times.



Quoting EVA777SEA (Reply 1):
$6.75 for ten miles?! That's very steep.



Quoting JRadier (Reply 10):
AMS - EUR3.80 - USD5.37
FRA - EUR11.50 - USD16.25 (ICE, normal trains will be cheaper)
MUC - EUR9.20 - USD13 (single ticket for the full network for one day is EUR10)
CPH - DKK31.50 - USD5.98

All are from the airport to the city main station, USD are for current exhangerates.

GVA - FREE. All passengers arriving GVA airport are entitled to a free ticket on either the train (6 minutes to the city center) or local buses (about 15 to 20 minutes). You have to obtain a ticket from machines in the baggage claim area, and if you encounter a ticket inspector on the train/bus you have to present the free ticket with your boarding pass for a flight arriving GVA the same day. The free ticket is valid to any destination in the area covered by the integrated GVA train/bus/tram network and is good for 80 minutes after issuance.

Visitors staying in GVA hotels also get a free public transit ticket valid for unlimited travel for the duration of their hotel stay, and it's also good for the return trip to the airport.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: YXXMIKE
Posted 2009-08-18 17:37:23 and read 10914 times.

Was delighted to see this finally working. I live on main street and can hop on my bike and cycle to the station at cambie & 12th or walk if i feel so inclined. Vancouver really did need this connection as the physical make up of Vancouver is quite diverse and hard to plan around (lots of water etc). It did cost quite a bit of money but I believe over a 10 year period will become a huge benefit to the city!

Also the YVR stop is incredible, I can't using an airport train station that within a 30 second escalator ride brings you right to the terminal! As much as I hate the large AIF's at YVR it is an amazing airport to have.

I can't want to see a waterfront stadium for the the whitecaps, then I go directly from the working at YVR to a footie match in less than 30 minutes!!!

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Aussie747
Posted 2009-08-18 17:52:26 and read 10879 times.

SYD is currently AUD$15.00 o/way (12 USD or 9 EUR) and its not even a designated airport train (12min journey), its crampt with other general commuters on the same line, and there is no facility for stored luggage on the train. So you guys all think you have a hard time with overpriced trains spare a thought for us Sydneysiders.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Doug_or
Posted 2009-08-18 18:03:49 and read 10859 times.



Quoting United787 (Reply 12):
Even NYC didn't have public transit to EWR and JFK until relatively recently and the connection isn't direct, and LGA still only has a bus connection!

And the JFK train is still an embarrassment. Can you imagine how many thousand people a day have their first impression of the US at the Jamaica Center E station? To anyone who has never been through there- try to keep it that way.

Quoting EVA777SEA (Reply 15):
Yes but the Canada line is a rapid transit line and not an express service to the airport like the JFK or EWR skytrains.

The JFK service only gets you to subway stations in outer queens.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Lightsaber
Posted 2009-08-18 19:00:03 and read 10787 times.



Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Thread starter):
The project was well ahead of schedule and opened 3.5 months before the originally planned date.

 faint  Don't they know there is a recession on.  Wink

Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 5):
Now, if only Montreal could get its act together and follow suit.....

Finally, high speed rail to Mirabel.  duck 

Quoting United787 (Reply 12):
MDW $2.25 (11 miles to downtown)
ORD $2.25 (18 miles to downtown)

Question, does Gary have rail or is that project stillborn?

Seriously, congradulations to YVR. You now have what those of us who use LAX could only dream about. (Why does our rail stop so close to the airport, but not quite there? WHY?)

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Cdsstlcop
Posted 2009-08-18 19:13:40 and read 11184 times.

STL - $3.75 ($2.75 regular metrolink fare plus 1 dollar airport station surcharge)

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: ABQopsHP
Posted 2009-08-18 20:45:08 and read 11100 times.

CBS news did a report, sometime back on the difference between the International airports here in the US and in other contries. It was said that our airports had low ceilings dirty walls and bad lighting. Granted that was one of the Northeast airports, and I know some airports have made upgrades. But you look at airports in China and other Asian cities, plus a few in Europe and you wonder why we in the US are so far behind.
JD CRPXE

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: PITrules
Posted 2009-08-18 20:58:06 and read 11040 times.



Quoting Aussie747 (Reply 23):
SYD is currently AUD$15.00 o/way (12 USD or 9 EUR)

And AUD$4 to go between terminals; that's a bit steep.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: BA
Posted 2009-08-18 21:14:29 and read 11023 times.



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 21):
GVA - FREE. All passengers arriving GVA airport are entitled to a free ticket on either the train (6 minutes to the city center) or local buses (about 15 to 20 minutes). You have to obtain a ticket from machines in the baggage claim area, and if you encounter a ticket inspector on the train/bus you have to present the free ticket with your boarding pass for a flight arriving GVA the same day. The free ticket is valid to any destination in the area covered by the integrated GVA train/bus/tram network and is good for 80 minutes after issuance.

I'm glad GVA introduced this incentive. Whenever I fly into GVA or ZRH, I always take the train.

Any idea if ZRH has introduced a similar offer?

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2009-08-18 21:20:58 and read 10984 times.



Quoting BA (Reply 29):
Any idea if ZRH has introduced a similar offer?

I don't think so.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: MarcoPoloWorld
Posted 2009-08-18 21:31:08 and read 10973 times.



Quoting JoePatroni (Reply 4):
BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) is now $7.95 from SFO to Downtown San Francisco which is only about 8 miles. Talk about steep!

Those surcharges are the classic tourist gouging schemes. Boycott them if they do that. How many of us haven't been confronted with taxi drivers at some foreign destination trying to charge us more than they would for a "local". It's discrimination! And - to transit agencies and their governing municipalities - don't think you will earn any more tourist incomes, because contrary to what some places think, tourists have a limited budget as well... By the way, when was the last time anyone here contemplated a leisure trip to Japan?  Smile Think costs....

And I feel sorry for the SFO airport employees - SFO had to start a bus shuttle for them from the Millbrae station so that they could avoid the new draconian surcharge. Who would pay $8 EXTRA PER DAY just to commute to and from work??? In addition to the already king's-ransom-type fares they were paying before to/from, say, Oakland stations. It makes round-trip daily fares from the East Bay go into $20 territory.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: OP3000
Posted 2009-08-19 00:34:58 and read 10808 times.

The fact that YVR did not have and does not have a highway linking it with downtown made the Canada Line possible and will make it viable as a highly utilized service. Had their been a highway like in most other cities, chances are it would never have been built. Great hit all around - better connectivity for YVR and the city, less traffic in the Southern part of the metro area, lower emissions and a good return on investment for the rail enterprise.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: JRadier
Posted 2009-08-19 01:11:23 and read 10708 times.



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 21):
GVA - FREE. All passengers arriving GVA airport are entitled to a free ticket on either the train (6 minutes to the city center) or local buses (about 15 to 20 minutes).

Good to know, I will be using that end of the month! Thanks!

Quoting YXXMIKE (Reply 22):
Also the YVR stop is incredible, I can't using an airport train station that within a 30 second escalator ride brings you right to the terminal! As much as I hate the large AIF's at YVR it is an amazing airport to have.

There are more, AMS, OSL, CPH are prime examples but there are many many more.

Quoting MarcoPoloWorld (Reply 31):
By the way, when was the last time anyone here contemplated a leisure trip to Japan? Smile Think costs....

November 2008, and it was great. Contrary to popular belief, if you stay on the budget side of things (so take public transport, stay in Business Hotels etc) Japan isn't more expensive than say Europe (apart from the airfare).

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Konstantinkoll
Posted 2009-08-19 03:35:17 and read 10427 times.

Well done, Vancouver! After my stay in 2007 I'm looking forward to return some time in the future.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Naritaflyer
Posted 2009-08-19 05:39:35 and read 10110 times.



Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Thread starter):
The new train line, which cost $2.0 billion to build, cuts the public transit trip time to merely 25 minutes between YVR and the downtown waterfront. The trains have been specially designed to accommodate passengers traveling with luggage. The one-way fare per passenger is currently $3.75, but a surcharge (about $3) will be added next year for the last section to/from the airport.

Interesting. That's 5 minutes or so longer than a taxi. How is that cutting the trip time to merely 25 minutes? Last I remember the downtown is not that far from the airport. I think even in rush hour it takes 30 minutes.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Mysterzip
Posted 2009-08-19 06:00:14 and read 10019 times.



Quoting Doug_or (Reply 24):

And the JFK train is still an embarrassment. Can you imagine how many thousand people a day have their first impression of the US at the Jamaica Center E station? To anyone who has never been through there- try to keep it that way.

The JFK service only gets you to subway stations in outer queens.

Or you can take the LIRR into the city if you want to avoid the hot subway, something MTA has started to advertise lately (about time!). I personally think the LIRR/Airtrain is a great option for people going to the city. It takes about 40 minutes, on average. As always, to get anywhere in NYC, you still have to get on the subway later on anyway.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: United787
Posted 2009-08-19 08:51:30 and read 9424 times.



Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 25):
Question, does Gary have rail or is that project stillborn?

There is a stop on the South Shore Line about 1.5 miles SE of the airport. I thought there used to be a shuttle bus but I am not sure now. Until GYY gets some regular commercial airline service, I can't see anything more than a shuttle bus to the stop.

Also, the service on the South Shore Line is pretty sparse. http://www.nictd.com/

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Doug_or
Posted 2009-08-19 09:03:07 and read 9382 times.



Quoting MarcoPoloWorld (Reply 31):
Those surcharges are the classic tourist gouging schemes

Its just a way of keeping taxpayers from having to subsidize the out of towners. At least up here in Portland, fares pay only about half of the cost of providing public transportation.

Quoting MarcoPoloWorld (Reply 31):
By the way, when was the last time anyone here contemplated a leisure trip to Japan?   Think costs....

I went for fun in March and had a great time. Tokyo is a little cheaper than NYC, but much nicer, cleaner, and full of much more helpful and friendly locals. I may actually be going back this fall with friends (again for leisure). I'm not a Japanophile, I don't read manga or anything, it was just a really wonderful place to visit.

Quoting Mysterzip (Reply 36):
As always, to get anywhere in NYC, you still have to get on the subway later on anyway.

True, but the Jamaica Center station is a terrible, dirty, poorly lit ___ hole even by MTA standards.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Cloudyapple
Posted 2009-08-19 09:13:28 and read 9357 times.



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 19):
For those of you concerned about the price - look at the cost of the Heathrow Express £12.50 or £18 last time I travelled on it

Heathrow Express is now £16.50 and £19 if you buy on board. That's more than £1 per minute travel time! You can't beat rip off Britain!

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Mir
Posted 2009-08-19 09:27:46 and read 9294 times.



Quoting Doug_or (Reply 38):
Quoting Mysterzip (Reply 36):
As always, to get anywhere in NYC, you still have to get on the subway later on anyway.

True, but the Jamaica Center station is a terrible, dirty, poorly lit ___ hole even by MTA standards.

Keep in mind that if you take the LIRR, you end up in Penn Station. And I'm not convinced that's any better than Jamaica Center.

-Mir

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: AC888YOW
Posted 2009-08-19 10:11:45 and read 9142 times.

Rome: €11 for Leonardo 'Express' train service to FCO<->Termini station. Old, slow, expensive.

Athens: OASA metro blue line (new since olympic preparations) runs to ATH. The cost to ride all methods of transit in Athens, including metro, is €1. Yes, €1. Express buses are also available to/from ATH to/from various points in the city for €3.20.

[Edited 2009-08-19 10:16:10]

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Jerseyguy
Posted 2009-08-19 10:20:18 and read 9094 times.



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 39):
Heathrow Express is now £16.50 and £19 if you buy on board. That's more than £1 per minute travel time! You can't beat rip off Britain

Then its good that you can travel on the tube for 6 pents a minute. Oh wait that will take over an hour. Oh well, guess you should take Heathrow Express then. You take the express train its gonna cost you more.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 21):
Visitors staying in GVA hotels also get a free public transit ticket valid for unlimited travel for the duration of their hotel stay, and it's also good for the return trip to the airport.

Nothings free, there is either a tax at the airport or at the hotel that covers the cost.

I will be going to Vancouver next week and can't wait to use the Skytrain.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Baldguy
Posted 2009-08-19 10:41:01 and read 9056 times.

I should point out that SkyTrain does not go to the airport - Canada Line does. They are two completely different rail systems, operated by two different agencies. The two lines have interchanges at Waterfront and Vancouver City Centre, but the airport line is not an extension of SkyTrain. They run different trains on different tracks. People already are getting confused because they get on SkyTrain thinking that is the airport run (which is logical - Sky - Airport).

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: PlaneInsomniac
Posted 2009-08-19 10:57:39 and read 9021 times.



Quoting Baldguy (Reply 43):
I should point out that SkyTrain does not go to the airport - Canada Line does. They are two completely different rail systems, operated by two different agencies. The two lines have interchanges at Waterfront and Vancouver City Centre, but the airport line is not an extension of SkyTrain. They run different trains on different tracks. People already are getting confused because they get on SkyTrain thinking that is the airport run (which is logical - Sky - Airport).

I am sorry, but this is just plain wrong. While the trains and tracks may be incompatible with the existing lines, the Canada Line is considered part of the SkyTrain system.

See Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SkyTrain_(Vancouver)

The Wikipedia SkyTrain map including the Canada Line:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi....png/900px-Skytrain_extensions.png

BC Translink clearly refers to Canada Line as a SkyTrain line. From their website: "When it opens in 2009, Canada Line, SkyTrain’s newest line, will link the Vancouver International Airport directly with downtown Vancouver and Richmond."
www.bctranslink.ca

Passengers can also connect to the existing lines at some stations, meaning it is a single coherent public transportation system. This is not unlike other cities around the globe, where for example different subway lines may not necessarily have any direct physical connection, but are still regarded as a single subway network.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Tockeyhockey
Posted 2009-08-19 11:04:37 and read 8970 times.

i will definitely be a customer as long as i can find a way to rent/return a rental car downtown. the drive to and from the airport is murder, especially if you need to get right to the core of downtown, i.e. canada place, and it happens to be rush hour.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: VonRichtofen
Posted 2009-08-19 11:21:42 and read 8924 times.



Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 14):
...and YYC. Although we aren't considered a "world city", it will be great to finally have our Light Rail Transit going to the airport.

Agreed 100%

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: BigGSFO
Posted 2009-08-19 11:40:29 and read 8863 times.



Quoting JoePatroni (Reply 4):
BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) is now $7.95 from SFO to Downtown San Francisco which is only about 8 miles. Talk about steep!

Well they do have to pay those six figure salaries somehow.


I am glad to hear about the new Vancouver airport-downtown link. I will be there next month and look forward to checking it out.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Mdavies06
Posted 2009-08-19 12:54:35 and read 8722 times.

Good to know that there is now a train service from YVR to downtown. Last year when I flew YVR - ORD on a redeye UA flight (it has seen been axed), I travelled from Vancouver downtown around 8:30pm heading to the airport by bus, and that bus was so full of commuters heading to Richmond I almost had to put my suitcase on my lap because people keep crushing on it whilst its on the floor.

$6.75 is cheap for airport transfer. A lot of cities' much dearer - such as LHR which many mentioned (although to be fair, most people would pay just 2 pounds and go on the normal speed Piccadilly line).

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: BA
Posted 2009-08-19 13:33:42 and read 8677 times.



Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 42):
Nothings free, there is either a tax at the airport or at the hotel that covers the cost.

It's funded by a visitor's tax levied on hotels and cannot be avoided, so you pay for it whether you use it or not.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: PlaneInsomniac
Posted 2009-08-19 14:46:46 and read 8617 times.



Quoting Naritaflyer (Reply 35):
Interesting. That's 5 minutes or so longer than a taxi. How is that cutting the trip time to merely 25 minutes? Last I remember the downtown is not that far from the airport. I think even in rush hour it takes 30 minutes.

30 minutes in a cab is not entirely unrealistic, but it is quite unlikely during rush hour. As others here have pointed out, Vancouver lacks any true highway connecting Richmond with Vancouver, much less downtown. This means having to traverse the grid street by street, i.e., more than 70 (!) on the Vancouver side alone - and that is BEFORE one reaches the edge of downtown. Including stopping at traffic lights, for pedestrians, whenever a car ahead wants to turn left (hardly any dedicated turning lanes in Vancouver!). This may work semi-reasonably late at night, but during the day, and certainly during rush hour, trip times of more than 40 minutes should be normal. In any case, the SkyTrain is normally faster than the car, even when street traffic is light. In heavy traffic, the SkyTrain will take significantly less time than even a cab ride. And even with the future surcharge, the trip costs for the train are only about 20% of a one-way cab fare, which costs upwards of $30.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Amritpal
Posted 2009-08-19 16:01:04 and read 8558 times.

I took the ride on the Aug 17, Freebie day. It was free from 1 pm to 9 pm. 2.5 hours lineup at 3:30 PM. I walked around downtown and finally managed to get a ride at around 7PM. Went to the airport, Visited Observation Area, had dinner and came home by Bus. People really liked it. 2 Days later, I was travelling thru downtown on my way home. At 4:45 AM, saw people with luggage, lineup outside the new skytrain station even before the gates opened. To me, it tells people will use it to YVR. Much better, and cheaper option to the YVR from Downtown Vancouver.

Excellent job Translink.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Lightsaber
Posted 2009-08-19 20:20:01 and read 8436 times.



Quoting United787 (Reply 37):
Also, the service on the South Shore Line is pretty sparse.

Thank you for taking the time to answer my question. I agree, until Gary sees regular commercial service, its not worth moving the tracks...  Sad

Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Reply 50):
the SkyTrain will take significantly less time than even a cab ride. And even with the future surcharge, the trip costs for the train are only about 20% of a one-way cab fare, which costs upwards of $30.

Sounds about right.

Now build it in LA, getting to LAX during rush hour is a nightmare!  bomb 


Lightsaber

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: BA
Posted 2009-08-19 21:21:49 and read 8390 times.



Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 52):
Now build it in LA, getting to LAX during rush hour is a nightmare

At the very least, they should build a spur off of the Green Line to LAX.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: 9252fly
Posted 2009-08-19 21:37:48 and read 8373 times.



Quoting Mdavies06 (Reply 48):
Last year when I flew YVR - ORD on a redeye UA flight (it has seen been axed)

Hate to break it to you,it's still operating and clearing customs and immigration in ORD.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Thegeek
Posted 2009-08-19 21:46:01 and read 8372 times.

You guys who are complaining about paying $7 for a train to/from the airport are all whingers.

What Aussie747 said about the SYD train was true, but at least it's a pretty frequent service and very fast. It kicks a cab's butt even if there is hardly any traffic for getting into town.

I nominate the BNE train for the worst airport train service in the developed world. It costs $A14.50 one way, and $A25 return, is about the same speed as a cab to get to the city if you ignore waiting time, first train arrives at 5:48am on a weekday, but the worst 2 part are it runs only half hourly in off peak times and it stops running before 8pm!!!!

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Kohflot
Posted 2009-08-19 22:05:12 and read 8351 times.

Now the trick is to get all the folks crossing the border to stick with flying from YVR....

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Robsaw
Posted 2009-08-19 22:44:09 and read 8340 times.



Quoting Astral (Reply 16):
Richmond is one of the best city in Lower Mainland to live, and has the most efficient city government. We now have the Olympic Speed Skating Oval build at a very low cost to us in Richmond, and will be the community function point in the years ahead. With the RAV line in place, plus the best highway connection points south of Fraser River, easy access to the US boarder, Richmond can be one of the best example of a functional city planning for us in Canada

I've lived in Richmond for more than 25 year - are you campaigning for City Council or something? I don't know that Richmond is more efficient than other Greater Vancouver cities - better than the City of Vancouver for sure but the wheels of bureaucracy grind quite slowly in Richmond as well and questionable spending, including the Oval. The speed skating oval was built at a massive cost and will have a multi-million$/year ongoing cost. The City has used some very creative math and accounting to make its decision look economically sound and profitable when in fact it is a net cost of $118M. Richmond has some excellent points, but has been afflicted with rapid growth and traffic problems at a local level that the RAV line does not address.

Even thought the RAV line will be great for getting to/from downtown Vancouver from Richmond (once you get to a station, that is), it really adds little to getting around Richmond itself.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2009-08-19 23:04:59 and read 8310 times.



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 19):

Hopefully the U.K. could borrow some of your planners and projects managers to get things moving on projects in our counrtry (e.g. Heathrow East is already 2 years late and corss rail was originally scoped in the 1970s.....)

At least your country has mass-transit projects in the works.

Ours is embarrassingly short of them.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Dlowwa
Posted 2009-08-20 00:10:34 and read 8264 times.



Quoting Naritaflyer (Reply 35):
I think even in rush hour it takes 30 minutes.

Once school is back in, I'd be happy to get from the airport/Richmond to downtown in anything less than 40 minutes. But if there's a single stall on the Arthur Lang, or heaven forbid -snow- it can easily take 45 minutes+ (and one memorable snowy day last year THREE hours) to drive.

Quoting Robsaw (Reply 57):
but has been afflicted with rapid growth and traffic problems at a local level that the RAV line does not address.

You got that right... try driving on Three Road between Granville and Westminster these days.. nightmare...

I've lived in Richmond most of my life too, and while I love it here, I know it's not perfect. The RAV/Canada Line is, however, a very good thing that has happened for Richmond, I don't think there can be much argument about that.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Naritaflyer
Posted 2009-08-20 04:42:11 and read 8211 times.



Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 52):
Now build it in LA, getting to LAX during rush hour is a nightmare!

A little off topic but it makes me laugh when I read Vancouver folks talk about the traffic in Vancouver. I guess they have never been to L.A., Shanghai, London or even Toronto in their own backyard. Chillout guys, the train to the airport is a good idea, don't get me wrong, but you do not have a "traffic" problem in Vancouver. Even 45 minutes as Dlowwa pointed out is nothing because if the same lane closure or accident were to happen in other cities we would be talking hours delay. Annyhooooo. Good to see the train is up and running.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Wn676
Posted 2009-08-20 06:07:56 and read 8174 times.

I happened to be flying in to YVR on the same day the Canada Line opened. Apart from all of the strollers that were being pushed into me and the little kids climbing all over my luggage, it was a nice way to get downtown.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: KGAIflyer
Posted 2009-08-20 08:00:44 and read 8111 times.



Quoting Doug_or (Reply 24):
And the JFK train is still an embarrassment. Can you imagine how many thousand people a day have their first impression of the US at the Jamaica Center E station? To anyone who has never been through there- try to keep it that way.

Okay, I'll bite.

I've done that connection.
What's the problem with Jamaica Center (vs. any other NYC interchange point.)?  Confused

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Connector4you
Posted 2009-08-20 09:06:58 and read 8067 times.



Quoting Mdavies06 (Reply 48):
I travelled from Vancouver downtown around 8:30pm heading to the airport by bus, and that bus was so full of commuters heading to Richmond

The bus ride from Downtown to Airport route including the mandatory transfer at Airport Station in Richmond from 98 B LINE to 424 LINE was a third world push and shove idea. A bad taste joke served by Translink and YVR Authority for years on. But hey, at least it kept the airporter bus-company and cabies feeding-frenzy alive and well . Glad to see all that over with.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: YVRSR
Posted 2009-08-20 10:58:54 and read 7992 times.

I did not see this in a previous post, but the the fare from the Airport to Downtown is 3.75 during peak hours (before 6:30pm on weekdays) and is 2.50 at all other times.

For those that don't know, the rapid transit line goes from downtown, through Vancouver and then crosses the Fraser River into Richmond (suburb south of Vancouver). It then branches - one branch goes west to the Airport and the other south to Central Richmond. The airport, through passenger fees, etc, paid for Airport branch of the line. So for all of you who have flown to Vancouver in the past few years or plan to come in the future, thanks for your contribution.

The add-fare (extra 2.50 or 3.00) will not be charged for the remainder of the year, according to my understanding. I believe it was instituted, in part, to appease the taxi drivers and private bus companies. (That is why previously, I believe, there was not a direct [public] bus route from downtown to the airport. One had to stop and change buses at Airport Station.) I really don't know how the add-fare is going to be implemented. The bulk of the people getting on and off at the airport will be employees. How will it be applied to people with monthly passes?

[Edited 2009-08-20 11:09:34]

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Addd
Posted 2009-08-20 12:34:10 and read 7946 times.

Moscow: RUB 250.00 (approx. USD 7.80) from both SVO (to downtown Belorusski station) and DME (to downtown Paveletski station).

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: PlaneInsomniac
Posted 2009-08-20 12:37:06 and read 7942 times.



Quoting YVRSR (Reply 64):
The add-fare (extra 2.50 or 3.00) will not be charged for the remainder of the year, according to my understanding.

From what I have read, the AddFare will come "sometime" in 2010. The big question is: Before or after the Olympics?

Quoting YVRSR (Reply 64):
I really don't know how the add-fare is going to be implemented. The bulk of the people getting on and off at the airport will be employees. How will it be applied to people with monthly passes?

That shouldn't be that hard. There are different fare zones now. Just like you get a Translink pass for 1, 2, or 3 zones now, you will get one including the airport zone then. The same goes for individually purchased tickets.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Mdavies06
Posted 2009-08-20 13:10:30 and read 7891 times.



Quoting 9252fly (Reply 54):
Hate to break it to you,it's still operating and clearing customs and immigration in ORD.

Yes it is still there indeed. Good to know that flight is still running.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Dlowwa
Posted 2009-08-20 13:38:52 and read 7868 times.



Quoting Naritaflyer (Reply 60):
I guess they have never been to L.A., Shanghai, London or even Toronto in their own backyard.

Actually, I've been to all of those cities, and there are much worse cities: Tehran (which has to have the most insane traffic I've ever seen), for example, or even for you in Japan, you know how nuts it is trying to get out of Tokyo during Golden Week. And in Tokyo, even if the highways to NRT (or Tochigi/Yamanashi/etc...) are bad, you have multiple rail options to get there.

You are right that compared to the cities you mentioned YVR's traffic isn't that bad, but those cities also have easily 10x the population of Vancouver, so the comparison isn't quite fair...

Dana

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: YVRLTN
Posted 2009-08-20 19:11:24 and read 7753 times.

Another Richmond resident here. I dont normally bother going downtown, I shop in Richmond and drink in Richmond but this will certainly make it a bit more tempting. Hopefully this also finally means the end of construction on No 3 Road.

And to rain on the party, our visitors took it yesterday and the aircon packed up - the windows dont open, so that was pretty unpleasant - and the escalator or elevator (cant remember which) packed up at Lansdown station causing a human traffic jam. So they didnt get a great impression - does sound a bit crappy for those sort of things to happen on day 3 of operation.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Naritaflyer
Posted 2009-08-21 05:41:26 and read 7613 times.



Quoting Dlowwa (Reply 68):
Actually, I've been to all of those cities, and there are much worse cities: Tehran (which has to have the most insane traffic I've ever seen), for example, or even for you in Japan, you know how nuts it is trying to get out of Tokyo during Golden Week. And in Tokyo, even if the highways to NRT (or Tochigi/Yamanashi/etc...) are bad, you have multiple rail options to get there.

You are right that compared to the cities you mentioned YVR's traffic isn't that bad, but those cities also have easily 10x the population of Vancouver, so the comparison isn't quite fair...

Yup, I understand what you are saying. Just rattling some chain. No worries.

I avoid driving in Tokyo area as much as I can and right as you say, I can go anywhere here by train.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: KGAIflyer
Posted 2009-08-21 06:53:49 and read 7594 times.



Quoting Naritaflyer (Reply 60):
A little off topic but it makes me laugh when I read Vancouver folks talk about the traffic in Vancouver. I guess they have never been to L.A., Shanghai, London or even Toronto in their own backyard.

Vancouver and it's 'burbs to the east have more "failed intersections" than I've ever run into in other cities I've driven (rental) cars in -- including London. Engineers define a failed intersection as one at which it takes two or more traffic light cycles to get across the intersection.

As an outsider, I noticed that Vancouverites are notoriously passive and accepting -- they never lose their tempers. But, I'm glad someone is finally getting bent out of shape over the traffic.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Pnwtraveler
Posted 2009-08-21 08:24:38 and read 7573 times.

As a former Vancouverite, and a frequent traveler there, the drive up Grandville from the Aiport to downtown is always a culture shift and reminds me to slow down a bit and adapt to the roads there. Grandville is six lanes crammed into where 4 were before, no left turn bays for cars turning, no bus bays on the right for transit stops, no right turn bays for people turning right. So that means that the three lanes heading into the city can often end up having only the centre lane open at traffic lights. Oak is similar but a bit better. So good on Vancouver for building the Canada Line.

There is much debate as to whether the line will handle future capacity but as far as a great addition to the airport it is in no doubt. Unfortunately I usually have to rent a car but might now rent from downtown and take the train. The bus was no fun especially if you were on a waterfront hotel and more stops away.

The Blueline construction is well underway in Toronto linking YYZ to downtown. However the noise from the construction through residential areas for the grade separation is causing a lot of feedback from residents. Secondly the plan to use refurbished Budd Cars/Dayliners is also causing quite a lot of dissent. The volume of trains using older diesel driven stock has also got residents up in arms. There is strong push to electrify the line from the beginning for both the GO Train commuter line and the Blue Line to the airport that share the same tracks. The electrification is planned for the further but residents want it now.

The freeway system into downtown is usually problem free except in rush hours. So the various options are a very frequent bus service to hotels and downtown, the Red Rocket Express bus to the subway line, or airport limos.

Montreal is the same as well with the highway normally OK except for rush hours. So the airport bus service is ok as long as your hotel is close to the terminal downtown. Tranfering to the vans for service to various hotels is a bit tedious otherwise. The rail line/transit corridor is quite close to the airport with the VIA rail Dorval Station visible from the airport. So you would think the link would be pretty easy.

And as far as the oft studied High Speed Rail, the mayor of Quebec City recently voiced that it was a must to link to Montreal and then on to Ottawa and Toronto. Another multimillion dollar study has been underway funded by Quebec, Ontario and the Federal government. We will see what that outcome is, but with the volume of flights between the cities you would think there was a huge market for one.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Dlowwa
Posted 2009-08-21 10:42:16 and read 7513 times.

Well, having taken the train into work every day this week, I can say that after the initial madness of Monday (first day, free rides, and 100,000 people waiting to try it out), things have settled down nicely. The cars haven't been packed, so the ridership certainly has room to grow, but it's also the end of summer, which is a pretty slow time.

I haven't taken it from the airport yet, but I haven't seen too many suitcases/luggage on any of the trains I've been on, so hard to say how many travellers from the airport have been taking advantage of it.

All in all, I'm happy to get an extra 45 minutes a day back in my life.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Doug_or
Posted 2009-08-21 10:51:54 and read 7509 times.



Quoting KGAIflyer (Reply 62):
Okay, I'll bite.

I've done that connection.
What's the problem with Jamaica Center (vs. any other NYC interchange point.)?

Its dark dirty and falling apart. Much worse than average NYC subway station, which aren't great to begin with. There are always visitors confused about where to go and how to connect and staff is usually less than helpful.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: KGAIflyer
Posted 2009-08-21 14:02:09 and read 7427 times.



Quoting Doug_or (Reply 74):
There are always visitors confused about where to go and how to connect and staff is usually less than helpful.

Okay, I'll buy that part.

Something that threw me the last time I went through there (mid-July sometime) was natives with rollerbags asking *me* where to go because the signs at Sutphin Boulevard / Jamaica Center are not the most enlightening. The AirTrain people, however, were all on the ball -- plunking Metrocards in everyone's hand since *all* the farecard machines on the AirTrain level seemed to be broken.

But no chance of *that* giving me a bad impression of the city. My first visit of New York was in 1952. And if I haven't found something to dislike by now, then I never will.  crossfingers 

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Robsaw
Posted 2009-08-21 23:41:57 and read 7245 times.



Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 69):
Another Richmond resident here. I dont normally bother going downtown, I shop in Richmond and drink in Richmond but this will certainly make it a bit more tempting. Hopefully this also finally means the end of construction on No 3 Road.

Yeh, it will make it a bit more tempting. What I'd really like to do is use it for major events downtown (sports, fireworks, etc) but of course then everyone tries to get out at the same time after the event is over, which makes it a rotten experience going home.

As for ending construction on No. 3 Road - I think our eminent City Council and staff will come up with another reason to rip-up a bunch of the work the just did in another couple of years. For those of you that don't know, No. 3 Road is the rather rural name for the main drag in Richmond, which a few years ago had a rapid-bus centre lane and fancy bus-stops built for a few $M to be quickly ripped-out when Canada-Line (nee RAV) construction started.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: ACDC8
Posted 2009-08-22 01:59:49 and read 7202 times.



Quoting Baldguy (Reply 43):
They are two completely different rail systems, operated by two different agencies.

If TransLink doesn't operate the Canada Line extension, who does? Its just a name such as the Millenium Line, Expo Line and hopefully soon the Evergreen Line.

Its about time that Canada is getting a bit more up to date in regards to public transportation, still years behind Europe and Asia but its a huge improvement.

Just hope they start taking fare evasion more seriously with the new line and not just do study after study after study on how to deal with the problem.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: KGAIflyer
Posted 2009-08-22 07:29:37 and read 7146 times.



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 77):
Just hope they start taking fare evasion more seriously with the new line and not just do study after study after study on how to deal with the problem.

In London -- not so much on the Underground -- but on the DLR, there are more transit inspectors than you can shake a stick at. They come into your coach with an instrument and check everyone's Oyster card to make sure there is really fare on it. Occasionally they catch someone with no Oyster card and no Travelcard. They're written a penalty fare warrant (50 GBP) on the spot.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa.../Fare-evasion-prosecution-FAQs.pdf

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Jetstar
Posted 2009-08-22 08:47:07 and read 7107 times.



Quoting JoePatroni (Reply 4):
BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) is now $7.95 from SFO to Downtown San Francisco which is only about 8 miles. Talk about steep!

I just rode the BART this week from the SFO station to the Powell Street station, the one way fare was $8.10.

JetStar

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: YVRSR
Posted 2009-08-22 09:56:30 and read 7074 times.



Quoting KGAIflyer (Reply 78):
If TransLink doesn't operate the Canada Line extension, who does? Its just a name such as the Millenium Line, Expo Line and hopefully soon the Evergreen Line.

The "Canada Line" is operated by a private company, I can't remember the name of the company. Anyways, the capital costs of the line were paid by the Federal Government, the Provincial Government, the Airport Authority, and Translink (transit agency), and the private company. Over the next 30 years the transit agency will pay the interest on the loan for the private company and the operating costs. I don't know how responsibilities are divided, but I do believe that employees on the Canada Line, except the police, work for the private company and not for Translink.

I don't think this type of contracting out is unusual.

The Expo and Millenium lines and bus system are run by Translink - transit agency employees.

People are going to refer to the Canada Line as Skytrain, as that is the name associated with the rapid transit system in Vancouver for the past 20+ years.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Jrlander
Posted 2009-08-22 10:04:45 and read 7066 times.



Quoting YVRSR (Reply 80):
People are going to refer to the Canada Line as Skytrain, as that is the name associated with the rapid transit system in Vancouver for the past 20+ years.

According to Translink's own webpage, Canada Line is part of Skytrain-

http://tripplanning.translink.ca/hiw...upSearch&LineName=999&LineAbbr=999

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: KGAIflyer
Posted 2009-08-22 10:19:03 and read 7054 times.



Quoting YVRSR (Reply 80):
I do believe that employees on the Canada Line, except the police, work for the private company and not for Translink.

Question: Isn't Translink diesel bus made up of several private bus companies. Who owns the electric trolley busses?

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: StarAlliance38
Posted 2009-08-22 10:45:24 and read 7039 times.

Great job YVR! The Mass Transit connection from Airport to Downtown is one of my priorities when I go on daytrips! And from that:

BWI - $1.60 from BWI to Downtown
BOS - $1.70 by subway, I believe it was cheaper via Bus (Silver Line) with dedicated tunnel to South Station. BOS to South Station

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: KGAIflyer
Posted 2009-08-22 14:33:59 and read 6965 times.

Nobody has mentioned Washington's Metro so far.

You can walk right into Concourse B at Reagan-National Airport in Washington DC from the Metro platform. From my local station (Rockville) on the Red Line, it is just under 19 miles to the airport with one train change to the Yellow Line at Gallery Place / Chinatown .

The rush hour fare is $4.50.

But if I use my AARP card, I can get a $2.35 fare.  old 

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: ScottB
Posted 2009-08-22 18:44:57 and read 6880 times.



Quoting StarAlliance38 (Reply 83):
BOS - $1.70 by subway, I believe it was cheaper via Bus (Silver Line) with dedicated tunnel to South Station. BOS to South Station

$2.00 if you don't have a CharlieCard. The Silver Line is the same fare as the subway.

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Amritpal
Posted 2009-08-22 19:19:47 and read 6860 times.



Quoting YVRSR (Reply 80):

SNC - Lavalin

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: YXwatcherMKE
Posted 2009-08-22 20:01:08 and read 6838 times.

Hey all those who can take a train to the airport stop complaining! At least you can take a train that gets you to the airport. At MKE we have a train station of sorts. Its a Amtrack station that is about a mile away from the terminal. The 7 round trips from Downtown Milwaukee to Union station in Chicago is really desingned to provide service to to the Kenosha/Racine area and northern IL residences. The shuttle bus ride from the MKE terminal to the Airport Amtrack station is free. You can ride from MKE to Downtown Chicago for $20.00, and yes you can ride to Downtown Milwaukee from the Airport train station I believe the fare is $4.00 but don't plan on any bus service to any of the downtown hotels without calling them to come get you. But I tell you If you need to get to the Loop of Chicago and ORD/MDW is shut down and MKE is open it is a good way to get there. During the winter that happens a lot where MKE is open and ORD is not. Believe it or not Chicago get more snow than we do in Milwaukee.
Milwaukee lacks any type of rapid rail system of any kind due to local officials fighting over what they want to do with over $200 Million in Federal money for mass transit. banghead  Now if they would only listen to the people that live here and would use it, it might get somewhere. (Oh, that's right they don't want to hear from us. We might have some good Ideas that would work.)  duck 

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: Robsaw
Posted 2009-08-22 22:05:09 and read 6782 times.



Quoting Amritpal (Reply 86):

Quoting YVRSR (Reply 80):

SNC - Lavalin

Actually it is InTransitBC with SNC-Lavalin being the main partner and engineering company behind the system.

"InTransitBC is a joint venture company owned by SNC-Lavalin, the Investment Management Corporation of BC (IMBC) and the Caisse de Depot et Placements de Quebec."

Quoting KGAIflyer (Reply 82):
Question: Isn't Translink diesel bus made up of several private bus companies. Who owns the electric trolley busses?

"TransLink’s largest subsidiary, Coast Mountain Bus Company Ltd. (CMBC), operates over 96 per cent of the region’s bus service including state-of-the-art clean diesel buses and zero-emission trolleys. Contracted companies, including West Vancouver Blue Bus and community shuttle services, operate the remaining four per cent of regional bus service."

Topic: RE: YVR Connected To Downtown Via SkyTrain
Username: RayChuang
Posted 2009-08-22 23:57:56 and read 6728 times.

I believe the current cost for the JR East Narita Express between Narita Airport and Tokyo Station is 1,280 yen (just over US$13). This is not bad considering the distance between Narita Airport and Tokyo Station.

By the way, CDN$6.75 one way between YVR and downtown Vancouver, BC is not bad considering the convenience and the fact you don't have to deal with surface traffic--especially in downtown Vancouver! I've driven Route 99 between YVR and downtown Vancouver and at certain times of the day, the traffic jams can be horrible.


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