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Topic: AirTran Expands In The Caribbean
Username: Gr8SlvrFlt
Posted 2009-08-25 13:43:11 and read 8128 times.

AirTran today announced it has filed with the DOT for scheduled service from Atlanta, Baltimore and Orlando to Montego Bay and Nassau and from Atlanta and Orlando to Aruba. Service will start late 2009 and early 2010.

In addition AirTran has greatly expanded last year's subservice schedule with flights from Atlanta, Baltimore, Boston, Milwaukee and Pittsburgh to Cancun, Cozumel, Gulfport/Biloxi, Ixtapa/Zihuatenajo, Montego Bay, Puerto Vallarta and Punta Cana.

Don't know where all the lift is coming from!

Topic: RE: AirTran Expands In The Caribbean
Username: NASBWI
Posted 2009-08-25 13:45:07 and read 8127 times.

Well well well, it's about time someone got on the BWI-NAS run  wink . We can't let US have allll the fun with DCA.

Topic: RE: AirTran Expands In The Caribbean
Username: ATLFlyer323
Posted 2009-08-25 13:46:16 and read 8117 times.



Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Thread starter):
Don't know where all the lift is coming from!

Don't they still have 737's on delivery? I'm sure they have delayed or slowed their deliveries, but I think they still have some on order. That plus tweaking other frequencies would be my guess?

~Brandon

Topic: RE: AirTran Expands In The Caribbean
Username: Force13
Posted 2009-08-25 13:47:04 and read 8117 times.

Looks like they're going to try and defend some of their MCO turf and go head to head with B6 on some key leisure markets. I wish them all the best and if they do start service it will be another option fer me to non-rev on!

Topic: RE: AirTran Expands In The Caribbean
Username: TransIsland
Posted 2009-08-25 13:56:54 and read 8040 times.

Let's hope they have more success with NAS... IIRC, they used to fly into FPO, and that didn't last. Anyways, great to have one new route (BWI), competition on another (ATL, currently only DL), and more competition on a third (MCO, currently served by UP & B6).

Topic: RE: AirTran Expands In The Caribbean
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2009-08-25 13:59:34 and read 8029 times.

I always have my eye out for if they will ever start service to STT. DL, whoever has really upgaged in STT over the past two years. Might be too much capacity on the route and too small of an a/c

Topic: RE: AirTran Expands In The Caribbean
Username: Atlwest1
Posted 2009-08-25 14:15:50 and read 7968 times.

YAY about FING time!! Ive been hearing rumblings and now its coming to fruition. Slowly anmd methodically things are lining up!

Topic: RE: AirTran Expands In The Caribbean
Username: SKYYBLUE
Posted 2009-08-25 15:35:37 and read 7756 times.



Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Thread starter):
AirTran today announced it has filed with the DOT for scheduled service from Atlanta, Baltimore and Orlando to Montego Bay and Nassau and from Atlanta and Orlando to Aruba. Service will start late 2009 and early 2010.

Any word on the frequencies?

Topic: RE: AirTran Expands In The Caribbean
Username: Steeler83
Posted 2009-08-25 16:06:50 and read 7665 times.



Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Thread starter):
In addition AirTran has greatly expanded last year's subservice schedule with flights from Atlanta, Baltimore, Boston, Milwaukee and Pittsburgh to Cancun, Cozumel, Gulfport/Biloxi, Ixtapa/Zihuatenajo, Montego Bay, Puerto Vallarta and Punta Cana.

Is this part of their take-over of U5's network? Weren't they going to do the Apple Vacations flying or am I mistaking it for something else?

Topic: RE: AirTran Expands In The Caribbean
Username: Enilria
Posted 2009-08-25 17:57:10 and read 7426 times.

What a coincidence that B6 did this the day before from some of the same places...

Topic: RE: AirTran Expands In The Caribbean
Username: Quickmover
Posted 2009-08-25 18:01:21 and read 7410 times.



Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Thread starter):
Don't know where all the lift is coming from!

I was thinking the same thing. FL has done about all the tweaking they can with the MKE expansion. At some point they will need more lift, otherwise it's all just musical chairs.

Topic: RE: AirTran Expands In The Caribbean
Username: Vulindlela744
Posted 2009-08-25 18:08:30 and read 7382 times.

This is great news. Been waiting for this announcement for awhile. Like to see service to St. Thomas too. Let's hope so.

Topic: RE: AirTran Expands In The Caribbean
Username: Flaps
Posted 2009-08-25 18:48:08 and read 7287 times.



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 8):
Is this part of their take-over of U5's network? Weren't they going to do the Apple Vacations flying or am I mistaking it for something else?

Yes, that is correct. I think the FL Apple schedule is nearly identical to U5 minus the Florida flights. IIRC out of PIT it is Montego, Cancun, Punta Cana.

Topic: RE: AirTran Expands In The Caribbean
Username: MKE22
Posted 2009-08-25 19:19:43 and read 7198 times.



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 8):
Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Thread starter):
In addition AirTran has greatly expanded last year's subservice schedule with flights from Atlanta, Baltimore, Boston, Milwaukee and Pittsburgh to Cancun, Cozumel, Gulfport/Biloxi, Ixtapa/Zihuatenajo, Montego Bay, Puerto Vallarta and Punta Cana.

Is this part of their take-over of U5's network? Weren't they going to do the Apple Vacations flying or am I mistaking it for something else?

Nice, I think I might be going to MBJ this spring, so maybe I'll get a chance to ride FL down there!  Smile Glad to see that scheduled international service is getting going for FL too!

Topic: RE: AirTran Expands In The Caribbean
Username: DeltaDAWG
Posted 2009-08-25 21:21:35 and read 6927 times.

About freakin time! Anyone have an idea of how many more a/c FL will need to run these routes or are there any cuts involved?

Topic: RE: AirTran Expands In The Caribbean
Username: Steeler83
Posted 2009-08-26 08:43:33 and read 5151 times.



Quoting Flaps (Reply 12):
IIRC out of PIT it is Montego, Cancun, Punta Cana.

That sounds right, as I believe their other destination or two was/were in Florida...

Topic: RE: AirTran Expands In The Caribbean
Username: AmtrakGuy
Posted 2009-08-26 08:45:25 and read 5139 times.



Quoting TransIsland (Reply 4):
Let's hope they have more success with NAS... IIRC, they used to fly into FPO, and that didn't last.

I believe they flew to FPO from BWI for few years. FPO offers free landing fee during that time. After the free fee, FL decided to end the services. They said they were making money but with the fee, it would not be possible.

Unless someone remember better than me.

I think BWI is slowly expanding -- becoming a connection hub for flights from MKE, DAY and cities in Northeast. If WN decide to fly into NAS, I think it will work out okay because there are cities that WN does not fly to (e.g. DAY and some cities in Northeast).

Just wish WN and FL codeshare out of BWI.

Topic: RE: AirTran Expands In The Caribbean
Username: MCOflyer
Posted 2009-08-26 11:14:59 and read 4639 times.

I think this great new for MCO and FL. There are times I wish my family had more airlines to choose from when going MCO-NAS. Congrats to FL expanding out of MCO.

KH

Topic: RE: AirTran Expands In The Caribbean
Username: SurfandSnow
Posted 2009-08-28 16:55:09 and read 3843 times.



Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Thread starter):
service from Atlanta, Baltimore and Orlando to Montego Bay and Nassau

Nassau seems to be a safe bet for starting Caribbean services. It was one of JetBlue's first Caribbean markets, and I remember even Skybus was trying to start a CMH-NAS service (I really do wonder what their route map would look like today). I wonder if the decision to go right in to Montego Bay is due in part to JetBlue's major success there. I'm sure Atlanta will welcome some competition to these markets, and any int'l service from Baltimore is always good news for them! Orlando is an interesting choice with B6 clearly ahead there, though.

Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Thread starter):
Atlanta and Orlando to Aruba

Orlando to Aruba is a BIG surprise! Of course, lets wait and see if the service actually materializes. I do believe ATL-AUA would do very well, however.

Topic: RE: AirTran Expands In The Caribbean
Username: Lawair
Posted 2009-08-28 18:07:17 and read 3786 times.



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 18):
I wonder if the decision to go right in to Montego Bay is due in part to JetBlue's major success there. I'm sure Atlanta will welcome some competition to these markets, and any int'l service from Baltimore is always good news for them! Orlando is an interesting choice with B6 clearly ahead there, though.

BWI definitely could use the added service to the Caribbean, but I'm not sure how BWI-MBJ will handle both JM and FL on the same route. The JM flight (while still a good performer for JM relative to JM's other routes) may struggle against FL. JM's been on the route for decades so I'd hope this doesn't push them out.

US once went up against JM on the BWI-MBJ route (or at least, announced the route), but US pulled back as they were dismantling BWI altogether. I'm not sure in the end how two flights would do. If it were anything like the 90s, then two flights would probably be fine considering how JM was flying A300s into BWI on a daily basis. Compare that to today's 320s flying fewer than 8000 pax in June.

Topic: RE: AirTran Expands In The Caribbean
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-08-28 19:11:04 and read 3724 times.



Quoting Lawair (Reply 19):
BWI definitely could use the added service to the Caribbean, but I'm not sure how BWI-MBJ will handle both JM and FL on the same route. The JM flight (while still a good performer for JM relative to JM's other routes) may struggle against FL. JM's been on the route for decades so I'd hope this doesn't push them out.

US once went up against JM on the BWI-MBJ route (or at least, announced the route), but US pulled back as they were dismantling BWI altogether. I'm not sure in the end how two flights would do. If it were anything like the 90s, then two flights would probably be fine considering how JM was flying A300s into BWI on a daily basis. Compare that to today's 320s flying fewer than 8000 pax in June.

Bear in mind that FL's primary target will be the leisure traffic out of BWI while JM's main target is the VFR ( though yes there is also a mixture with some leisure as well ) When US announced PHL-MBJ many thought JM would have vanished from the route but they have both been operating it and each has been holding their own nicely. US also tried FLL-KIN and FLL-MBJ a few years ago ( with MBJ being very short lived ) and both were discontinued quickly. Also when DL announced JFK-MBJ which had both JM & AA already operating it, many thought JM would have discontinued that route. Nothing of the sort. Even with B6 now on that route as well, JM has been holding their own on it. Also when NK announced KIN/MBJ from FLL a few years ago many thought JM would abandon the route as well. Even with additional services on FLL-KIN with AA , JM still remains the dominant carrier on that sector, with AA now planning to operate it seasonally. Also recently both B6 & DL announced JFK-KIN. For years AA did it alongside JM and they eventually went seasonal then discontinued it all together. The JFK-KIN market however is big enough to accommodate atleast 2 carriers. Personally I think both JM & FL will co-exist on BWI just fine ( at least for a while ) with each targeting primarily different markets.

Topic: RE: AirTran Expands In The Caribbean
Username: Bloodyrascal
Posted 2009-08-29 13:19:38 and read 3493 times.

NAS-BWI and NAS-MCO will do well. It will be interesting to see how DL reacts to FL entering the NAS-ATL route. As DL already has 4 daily flights and on some days 5. And this winter they are deploying their 752 back on the route. This is the usual seasonal increase. It would be nice to see a 717 and more 737s in NAS.

Topic: RE: AirTran Expands In The Caribbean
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2009-08-29 13:23:53 and read 3490 times.



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 18):
Orlando is an interesting choice with B6 clearly ahead there, though.

JetBlue is not clearly ahead.

AirTran has a better feed market from secondary cities, as opposed to JetBlue.

I wonder if JetBlue will simply start to retreat from MCO-Caribbean to focus on FLL.

MCO-NAS/MBJ cannot handle three carriers. It will be a blood bath.

Topic: RE: AirTran Expands In The Caribbean
Username: TransIsland
Posted 2009-08-29 13:57:01 and read 3451 times.



Quoting Bloodyrascal (Reply 21):
NAS-MCO will do well.

Will it? The only carrier currently on the market that has offered the route for a long time is UP, and that is probably owed to political will rather than economics. B6 is a newbie on the MCO-NAS run. AA (Eagle), DL (Connection and waaaay back mainline), and NK all offered the route and pulled out. Probably others, too, can't remember... (unless I go way back and add EA to the list.)

Any word on what equipment they might use on the NAS routes? I'd sure like to spot some 717s down here.  cloudnine 

Topic: RE: AirTran Expands In The Caribbean
Username: UGA777
Posted 2009-08-31 13:01:50 and read 3040 times.

Any Airtran insiders out there know if they will start taking any new deliveries again if these routes are approved and if so, when? I would love to start seeing some more 737s with Airtran titles.

Topic: RE: AirTran Expands In The Caribbean
Username: Rumorboy
Posted 2009-09-01 07:06:52 and read 2823 times.

second qtr of 2011 according to the SEC filings from last qtr.

Topic: RE: AirTran Expands In The Caribbean
Username: Gr8SlvrFlt
Posted 2009-09-01 15:11:41 and read 2675 times.

....and we're hearing they'll be -800s.

Topic: RE: AirTran Expands In The Caribbean
Username: Fpofllflyboi
Posted 2009-09-01 20:15:25 and read 2534 times.



Quoting TransIsland (Reply 4):
Let's hope they have more success with NAS... IIRC, they used to fly into FPO, and that didn't last.

Sorry FPO had to lose the service, (Thanks to the Grand Bahama Airport Company's high landing fees.) That used to be a nice flight. Happy for NAS though!

Topic: RE: AirTran Expands In The Caribbean
Username: Atlwest1
Posted 2009-09-01 23:28:28 and read 2430 times.



Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Reply 26):
...and we're hearing they'll be -800s.

Seems like a natural progression of aircraft. Though I think the EMB-195 would be a great addition! The 800's will be very appreciated by the crews for sure plus it would look good in the colors but so would a 757 and 767 and heck even a 787  Smile though the last 3 are a bit of a stretch at this juncture.


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