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Topic: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: DALCE
Posted 2009-06-19 06:50:13 and read 27801 times.

Hi All,

With thread # 20 already well above 200 replies, I thought of opening # 21.

As LX has just recieved their 2nd 333 and the opening of OSL as new destination, there is already some nice subjects to chat about. I'm sure there is more to discuss!

The old thread can still be found here : http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4346513/

greetz,
Joost (D-ALCE)

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-06-20 14:07:32 and read 27641 times.



Quoting DALCE (Thread starter):
As LX has just recieved their 2nd 333 and the opening of OSL as new destination, there is already some nice subjects to chat about. I'm sure there is more to discuss!

That's right, since yesterday MCT/DXB is the 2nd destination benefiting of the new SWISS inflight product. It looks like that the A343 will be used now quite frequently to JFK on the LX016 flights in addition ot the LX014 flight whcih is operated with the A333's.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Soon7x7
Posted 2009-06-20 15:36:02 and read 27602 times.



Quoting LXA340 (Reply 1):

Sorry,...I came in late on this thread...having just flown to JFK on Swiss 332, are they doing away with all 332's? All the 332's I had seen on my trip did not appear to be high time birds...Whats up with the transition?...j

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2009-06-20 16:16:53 and read 27591 times.

All Swiss A332 are to be replaced by brand-new A333s until the end of 2010. LX has so far taken delivery of two new Airbus frames (HB-JHA and -JHB). The new 330-300s have a superior cabin product especially due to the new F and J seats.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-06-21 07:37:45 and read 27475 times.



Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 3):
All Swiss A332 are to be replaced by brand-new A333s until the end of 2010. LX has so far taken delivery of two new Airbus frames (HB-JHA and -JHB). The new 330-300s have a superior cabin product especially due to the new F and J seats.

Additionally 2 more A333's will be delivered in the first quarter of 2011 which would make the total fleet of A333's 11 aircraft. Depending on the economic situation those deliveries might be delayed although currently there are no indications for that.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: HBJZA
Posted 2009-06-26 09:06:20 and read 27167 times.

News from Welschland airport GVA :
Baboo (F7) to start code-sharing all flights from GVA to france with AF from the 1st of July.
Flight concerned : GVA-BOD, GVA-NCE, GVA-TLS, GVA-BIQ, GVA-LTT and returns of course.
Great news, go on Baboo

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-06-26 12:59:28 and read 27093 times.

Did a DL B752 go tech at ZRH on tuesday or so, because I saw one sitting at the SRTechnics area on wednesday morning?

Quoting HBJZA (Reply 5):
Baboo (F7) to start code-sharing all flights from GVA to france with AF from the 1st of July.
Flight concerned : GVA-BOD, GVA-NCE, GVA-TLS, GVA-BIQ, GVA-LTT and returns of course.
Great news, go on Baboo

That's good news for Baboo especially during times like that it will be easier to fill the planes

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LX8626
Posted 2009-06-27 06:59:20 and read 26974 times.



Quoting LXA340 (Reply 6):
Did a DL B752 go tech at ZRH on tuesday or so, because I saw one sitting at the SRTechnics area on wednesday morning?

It was N718TW. On wednesday there was no incomming flight from JFK, only the depature from DL207 (N718TW) and on tuesday depature was cancelled.




Does anybody know what happend to HB-ISE.
Yesterday (Friday) she made ZRH-PMI-CGN-PMI. She didn't come back yesterday night.
AB9749 was cancelled at about 20:30 (German Time) and is planned for today, but still delayed.
Flight AB4984 ZRH-LPA-ZRH is operated by CS-TEJ today.


cheers

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-06-28 11:28:10 and read 26780 times.

The 3 Class equiped A332 (HB-IQI) of SWISS had it's last flight on the 21st of June and didn't fly since then looks like that this plane is the A332 is the anounced aircraft that will be taken out of service until the end of the end of october. Will it ever enter into service again though with SWISS, probably yes as HB-IQJ and K will leave later in the year?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: RJ100
Posted 2009-07-02 12:38:03 and read 26478 times.

Ryanair starts new flights between Basel and Porto on September 4. The flights will be operated 3 times weekly.

Unfortunately the twice weekly flight to Dublin has been cancelled.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LX8626
Posted 2009-07-04 00:54:37 and read 26293 times.

HB-JMJ is back in the sky.
After some weeks stored at ZRH she did a check flight on 02 JUL and yesterday she flew to JFK (LX014). Today she will serve LAX as LX040.

Nice to see all 15 A340 in the sky.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Viasa
Posted 2009-07-04 07:13:35 and read 26186 times.



Quoting LX8626 (Reply 10):
HB-JMJ is back in the sky

They planed to store the plane untill October 2009. So, I'm surprised that HB-JMJ is back in the sky.

Did LX put another A332 in storage along with HB-IQI?

When I'm right eight A332 are in operations:

HB-IQA
HB-IQC
HB-IQG
HB-IQH
HB-IQJ
HB-IQK
HB-IQQ
HB-IQO

Can someone confirm this?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Ka
Posted 2009-07-04 10:30:53 and read 26133 times.

-IQG is also out of service and parked at ZRH in VN-c/s.

KA.

[Edited 2009-07-04 10:32:10]

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: DALCE
Posted 2009-07-04 12:20:44 and read 26091 times.



Quoting LX8626 (Reply 10):
.

Does this also mean that LX is not using an LH 340-300 on some BOS flights?
I have seen LH 343's at ZRH E-concourses regularly ( although it was some months ago I was in ZRH ).

Cheers,
Joost (D-ALCE)

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Ka
Posted 2009-07-04 15:00:38 and read 26058 times.



Quoting Viasa (Reply 11):
Did LX put another A332 in storage along with HB-IQI

Don´t think -IQI is in storage.

E.g. on 05th July she operates the ZRH-DXB-MCT flight.

KA.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Viasa
Posted 2009-07-05 03:20:06 and read 25983 times.

One more long range plane on ground soon... http://www.20min.ch/finance/news/sto...n-Flieger-bleibt-am-Boden-16383631

At the moment LX has the following LR fleet:

A330-200 (8 planes, HB-IQA, -C, -H, -I, -J, -K, -O and -Q)
A330-300 (2 planes, HB-JHA and -B)
A340-300 (15 planes, HB-JMA to O)

They only has phase-out three A330-200 (HB-IQG, -P and -R).

If I count that, it makes only MINUS ONE. I always think, that HB-IQI also is stored in Zurich, but KA says it is in operation. Also HB-JMJ is back in service.

Has LX now a storage day by day?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Sr176
Posted 2009-07-05 03:32:47 and read 25974 times.

Would it not make sense to keep always a plane as a backup. I remember when the LR fleet was completely utilized, there was always a problem when a plane went tech.

Or is it from insurance (and other) point of view totally uneconomical ?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: AntonovA330
Posted 2009-07-05 05:11:39 and read 25923 times.

Hi there, I'm back from my two week holiday! I was expecting a whole bunch of fresh, hot news, but it seems like I'm not the only one taken a few days off  Wink
Now, has anyone already been on the new OSL route? How was its start, how's it performing (yeah I know, difficult to analyse after just two weeks or so, but nevertheless)?
There is also an attractive LX C-class longhaul campaign, advertising upgrades for 300.- to 700.- (depending on destination) until the end of August. I will try and catch one Big grin

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: FlySwiss
Posted 2009-07-07 03:57:32 and read 25640 times.

Flew to OSL 27th June and 28th June. To OSL the was empty. It looked like that every passanger had a row for himself but on the way back the plane was full. Saw only two free seats.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: SXDFC
Posted 2009-07-07 07:04:59 and read 25562 times.

As we all know Swiss operates almost an all Airbus fleet. During my spare time I create fantasy liveries for the airlines as well as modifications as well. Just recently I came up with a Swiss Boeing 737-800. Pretty soon I will be designing a fantasy livery for Swiss also that I will post here.

Here is the "737-857":

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/bobbywn/swng.jpg

What do you think?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Knightsofmalta
Posted 2009-07-07 07:13:48 and read 25547 times.

You got the proportions of the cross wrong.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: SXDFC
Posted 2009-07-07 08:25:12 and read 25506 times.



Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 20):
You got the proportions of the cross wrong.

What exactly are the right proportions of the cross? This way I can fix it.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: ZRH
Posted 2009-07-07 08:56:45 and read 25493 times.



Quoting SXDFC (Reply 21):
What exactly are the right proportions of the cross? This way I can fix it

Wikipedia: "The coat of arms of the federation is, within a red field, an upright white cross, whose [four] arms of equal length are a sixth longer than their width."

This is the official Flag of Switzerland but I am not sure if SWISS has the official dimensions.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: BMIE70
Posted 2009-07-07 15:45:52 and read 25389 times.

Hi, has anyone seen the helicopter in the background of this picture? http://twitpic.com/9mp7k

It is due to lift the new Alinghi catamaran from Villeneuve to the Med on Wednesday, weather permitting.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-07-08 19:48:07 and read 25225 times.



Quoting Viasa (Reply 15):

At the moment LX has the following LR fleet:

A330-200 (8 planes, HB-IQA, -C, -H, -I, -J, -K, -O and -Q)
A330-300 (2 planes, HB-JHA and -B)
A340-300 (15 planes, HB-JMA to O)

They only has phase-out three A330-200 (HB-IQG, -P and -R).

If I count that, it makes only MINUS ONE. I always think, that HB-IQI also is stored in Zurich, but KA says it is in operation. Also HB-JMJ is back in service.

Has LX now a storage day by day?

HB-IQI was out of service for a week or so but since last saturday it's back in service. Possibly LX decided for the time being to use all A332's and always rotate the plane that is out of service.

Regarding the A343's they are still operating 14/15, however as HB-JMA went in for it's D Check HB-JMJ is back in services. As of now each month another A343 will go in for it's D Check.

On anitger note, I was on the new A333 to JFk a few days in C and must say that the seat is outstanding. On top of that passengers in C class on the A333 are served Nespresso Espresso. The only complaint is the IFE system it has only 25 or so movies to choose from like the A343. The system has potential of many more movies so I hope the selection will be increased.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LX8626
Posted 2009-07-11 11:33:41 and read 24977 times.

Hey together,

does anybody know what happened to EC-HDP today at ZRH?
She did IB 3478 (MAD-ZRH) but IB 4449 (ZRH-SCQ) now is delayed and will be operated by EC-IEI which is incomming IB 3476 at 22:05 (swiss time).

Did EC-HDP went tech? Any information?


cheers
LX8626

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: HBJZA
Posted 2009-07-12 04:17:57 and read 25238 times.



Quoting LXA340 (Reply 24):
On top of that passengers in C class on the A333 are served Nespresso Espresso.

For those enjoying Nespresso Espresso, Baboo (F7) serves them for the Economy full flex pax on the E190 !!!!

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: FatmirJusufi
Posted 2009-07-12 04:38:37 and read 25221 times.

AB is going to start 10 weekly flight operations between PRN and ZRH.
Here's the link
http://www.eciks.org/english/lajme.php?action=total_news&main_id=927

Fatmir

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LX8626
Posted 2009-07-12 09:59:59 and read 25097 times.

AB is still serving PRN on Saturdays since two weeks.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: FatmirJusufi
Posted 2009-07-12 12:12:56 and read 25038 times.



Quoting LX8626 (Reply 28):
AB is still serving PRN on Saturdays since two weeks.

Yeah. They've had operated one of their flights with Belair 767-300. A rare A/C over here.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: HAM
Posted 2009-07-13 08:08:22 and read 24880 times.

quote from the ECIKS.org article:
"After the signing ceremony in the Prishtina Airport, representatives of Kosova Airlines said that thousands of other flights of Air Berlin from and to the Prishtina International Airport will follow soon, including destinations in Germany, Austria and USA."

Who was the idiot who got something wrong here? The Kosova Airlines representatives who understood that AB will actually operate "thousands of other flights" including direct flights to the States out of PRN, or the author of the article who didn't listen carefully?

Question: AB operates on behalf of Kosova Airlines but offers their own onward connections via ZRH/Germany? How can that be?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: FatmirJusufi
Posted 2009-07-13 12:36:00 and read 24782 times.



Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 29):
Who was the idiot who got something wrong here? The Kosova Airlines representatives who understood that AB will actually operate "thousands of other flights" including direct flights to the States out of PRN, or the author of the article who didn't listen carefully?

After I've read an article only on my own language and didn't have much time to check this English source, I really do believe it's just author's fault. Poor knowledge about aviation caused this mistake.

Quoting HAM (Reply 30):
Question: AB operates on behalf of Kosova Airlines but offers their own onward connections via ZRH/Germany? How can that be?

As I know they (Joachim Hunold AB CEO and Remzi Ejupi Kosova Airlines CEO) agreed only for 10 flight operations per week (PRN - ZRH).

I have still to explore about this agreement due to lack of information.

Fatmir

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2009-07-14 09:09:16 and read 24674 times.

So i just got a call from SWISS: I'm hired, typerating starts on monday, Airbus A32S! Big grin  bigthumbsup   cheerful   cloudnine   cloudnine 

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: ZRH
Posted 2009-07-14 09:22:12 and read 24639 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 32):
So i just got a call from SWISS: I'm hired, typerating starts on monday, Airbus A32S

Congrats, congrats!  Big grin  Big grin  Big grin I am looking forward flying with you.
Cheers
Philipp

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: FatmirJusufi
Posted 2009-07-14 10:06:59 and read 24612 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 32):
So i just got a call from SWISS: I'm hired, typerating starts on monday, Airbus A32S!

Congratulations, Sandro. Wish you all the best.  Smile

Fatmir

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Jambo293
Posted 2009-07-14 11:42:20 and read 24570 times.

Congrats Sandro... wish you many happy takeoffs and landings. Good to see an airline hiring in this era of pay cuts, retrenchments, reduced working hours etc.

Anyone know where HB-IQA was headed to early this morning ? It was airborne by 0800hrs which is way too early for any scheduled longhaul voyage.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2009-07-14 12:22:42 and read 24579 times.

Quoting Jambo293 (Reply 35):
Anyone know where HB-IQA was headed to early this morning ? It was airborne by 0800hrs which is way too early for any scheduled longhaul voyage.

Probably off to landing training somewhere in Europe with a dozen of new A330 trainees.

PS: Thanks for the nice replies everyone  Smile

[Edited 2009-07-14 12:27:02]

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-07-14 13:34:31 and read 24517 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 32):
So i just got a call from SWISS: I'm hired, typerating starts on monday, Airbus A32S!

Congratulations! How many months before you will have your first scheduled flight?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2009-07-14 14:29:06 and read 24475 times.



Quoting LXA340 (Reply 37):
Congratulations! How many months before you will have your first scheduled flight?

Thanks! About two months, so should be in mid-september.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: DALCE
Posted 2009-07-14 14:38:59 and read 24467 times.

Gruezi Sandro,

Congrats on your employment with LX. I wish you a lot of fun, many safe flights and happy landings!
Whenever you come to AMS, you know the cargo was sold by me Big grin
Welcome to the Swiss-Family!!!

Cheers,
Joost (D-ALCE)

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: FatmirJusufi
Posted 2009-07-14 14:53:22 and read 24458 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 38):
Thanks! About two months, so should be in mid-september.

Cool. I hope we will see you out here at PRN someday.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2009-07-14 15:00:57 and read 24458 times.

Thanks Joost, appreciate it!

Quoting DALCE (Reply 39):
Whenever you come to AMS, you know the cargo was sold by me

And you make sure to come up to the gate to say hello Big grin

Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 40):
I hope we will see you out here at PRN someday.

I'll let you know  Wink

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-07-19 09:40:22 and read 24113 times.

Hi guys,

feel free too look at my trip report of my JFK-ZRH flight on the Brand New A330-343E of LX

cheers  Smile

First Swiss A330-300 Trip Report On Airliners! (by LXA340 Jul 19 2009 in Trip Reports)

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2009-07-19 10:01:34 and read 24092 times.



Quoting LXA340 (Reply 42):
feel free too look at my trip report of my JFK-ZRH flight on the Brand New A330-343E of LX

Good job  thumbsup 

Besides, I'm starting my typerating training tomorrow. I'll try to write a "training report" towards the end if i have the time.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-07-19 11:39:27 and read 24031 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 43):

Besides, I'm starting my typerating training tomorrow. I'll try to write a "training report" towards the end if i have the time.

That would be awsome...Good luck

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Knightsofmalta
Posted 2009-07-19 12:57:41 and read 23986 times.

It appears that LX is suspending its BSL to BEG flight at the end of the summer schedule. Does anybody know if they're canceling just that route or are they withdrawing an Avro from BSL for the winter?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: RJ100
Posted 2009-07-19 13:22:10 and read 23970 times.

Probably the route just works in summer. The flight went out with 94 pax yesterday and today with almost 80.
The other flights are still bookable, even BRU which surprises me most.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: AviationMaster
Posted 2009-07-19 13:51:43 and read 23918 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 32):
So i just got a call from SWISS: I'm hired, typerating starts on monday, Airbus A32S! Big grin bigthumbsup cheerful cloudnine cloudnine

A late congrats from my part, well done!  bigthumbsup 

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Humberside
Posted 2009-07-20 02:57:33 and read 23800 times.



Quoting RJ100 (Reply 46):
The other flights are still bookable, even BRU which surprises me most.

Cant see BSL-BRU going anywhere with the LH/Brussels Airlines deal

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Pellegrine
Posted 2009-07-20 03:23:57 and read 23788 times.

I cant wait for the new 333 on JFK-GVA. This is my route!

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: ZRH
Posted 2009-07-20 05:06:38 and read 23741 times.

I read a short message on Swiss TV SF 1 Teletext page 722 that SQ postponed the plans flying the A 380 to Zurich. The problems are not taxiways or the air-bridges at the gates but the number of seats at the gates. At the moment there are maximum 250 seats in the gate's waiting area. This is too little for an A 380 and Unique (Zurich Airport AG) would have to do some construction works, which is possible but would cost a few million CHF. I guess in the current crises they are not willing to invest, but let's see what happens in the close future.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Helvknight
Posted 2009-07-20 05:11:51 and read 23845 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 32):
So i just got a call from SWISS: I'm hired, typerating starts on monday, Airbus A32S!

Congrats Sandro.

Many happy takeoffs - and the same number of landings

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: FatmirJusufi
Posted 2009-07-20 06:19:45 and read 23822 times.



Quoting ZRH" class=quote target=_blank>ZRH (Reply 50):
I read a short message on Swiss TV SF 1 Teletext page 722 that SQ postponed the plans flying the A 380 to Zurich. The problems are not taxiways or the air-bridges at the gates but the number of seats at the gates. At the moment there are maximum 250 seats in the gate's waiting area. This is too little for an A 380 and Unique (Zurich Airport AG) would have to do some construction works, which is possible but would cost a few million CHF. I guess in the current crises they are not willing to invest, but let's see what happens in the close future.

So A380 will not land at ZRH this September?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: ZRH
Posted 2009-07-20 06:55:18 and read 23800 times.



Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 52):
So A380 will not land at ZRH this September?

It looks like  Sad . But when SQ really wants to come with her regularly, I am sure that Unique will either way do the necessary adaptions at the gates. There would be costs of about 4 to 6 mi CHF, but considering the huge other ongoing construction works (new Dock B, central security control) this would be peanuts.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-07-20 12:40:26 and read 23677 times.



Quoting ZRH" class=quote target=_blank>ZRH (Reply 53):

It looks like Sad . But when SQ really wants to come with her regularly, I am sure that Unique will either way do the necessary adaptions at the gates. There would be costs of about 4 to 6 mi CHF, but considering the huge other ongoing construction works (new Dock B, central security control) this would be peanuts.

True, well a shame that we will need to wait a bit longer than a few months for the first A380 to land at ZRH. As far as I know SQ originally planed to fly with it to ZRH by January 2010 and reduce fequency to 7 weekly flights in order to free up B77Ws for other routes. Oh well this will not happen in the near future.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: CX288
Posted 2009-07-20 16:58:51 and read 23619 times.



Quoting LXA340 (Reply 54):
As far as I know SQ originally planed to fly with it to ZRH by January 2010 and reduce frequency to 7 weekly flights in order to free up B77Ws for other routes. Oh well this will not happen in the near future.

That's exactly what they did with the CDG route. So the big bus is now going there instead of ZRH, but with Star Alliance hubs at both end more frequent flights are providing better connections at both ends

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: A333X
Posted 2009-07-22 04:10:17 and read 23396 times.

Is HB-IQH (332) AOG in GVA?

It seems that yesterday's (21.07) both GVA-JFK (LX022) and LX 017 JFK-ZRH were cancelled.
Since LX023 landed on time this morning in GVA, I guess that the a/c were swapped in NY and ZRH pax rebooked on LX 15.

Besides, I saw yesterday HB-JMN (343) landing in GVA at around 6pm (apparently as LX5022). Maybe it operated a GVA-JFK replacement flight later in the evening?...

Any info about this?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: 330lover
Posted 2009-07-22 04:29:22 and read 23380 times.

AFAIK LX always swaps aircraft in JFK. Aircraft flies ZRH-JFK-GVA-JFK-ZRH.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: FelixZRH
Posted 2009-07-22 04:46:45 and read 23376 times.



Quoting A333X (Reply 56):
Is HB-IQH (332) AOG in GVA?

I don't know the latest. But there is a report in 20Min which is not very serious all the time:
http://www.20min.ch/finance/news/story/20039238 (German)

They write there was a problem with the A332. Then in order to prevent problems with duty time they sent an A343 to GVA and than they had some problems again. But I have no idea what problems. In the end the pax had to stay the night in Geneva.

Hope this gives an idea
Felix

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: A333X
Posted 2009-07-22 05:49:45 and read 23336 times.



Quoting FelixZRH (Reply 58):
Hope this gives an idea

It explains everything! Thanks for the link!

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-07-22 11:53:37 and read 23233 times.



Quoting FelixZRH (Reply 58):

I don't know the latest. But there is a report in 20Min which is not very serious all the time:
http://www.20min.ch/finance/news/story/20039238 (German)

They write there was a problem with the A332. Then in order to prevent problems with duty time they sent an A343 to GVA and than they had some problems again. But I have no idea what problems. In the end the pax had to stay the night in Geneva.

Hope this gives an idea
Felix

Typical, once somethign goes wrong one dilema is followed by the next....  Smile

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LX138
Posted 2009-07-22 15:16:18 and read 23142 times.

I was keen to know how LX does on their flights to FLR?

Does anybody know what the current frequency is and whether they send anything other than the ARJ? I know they have a pretty short runway at FLR but you can get a A32S in there.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2009-07-22 15:20:46 and read 23177 times.

Winter North America schedule was updated. Boston, Miami and LAX are daily, as is JFK-GVA. JFK-ZRH reduced to 12w, ORD reduced to 6w, EWR and YUL to 5w.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-07-23 12:04:04 and read 22964 times.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 62):
Winter North America schedule was updated. Boston, Miami and LAX are daily, as is JFK-GVA. JFK-ZRH reduced to 12w, ORD reduced to 6w, EWR and YUL to 5w.

Nothing too dramatic, are there any plans btw to upgrade the EWR BBJ with new seats etc?

Any news on the A340 (HB-JMN) that went tech at GVA 2 days ago, it's still not back in service?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LX8626
Posted 2009-07-23 13:09:43 and read 22926 times.

According to this site HB-JMN did MUC-ZRH today

http://www.libhomeradar.org/database...hp?qid=1608219&sid=12304498&page=0

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: FatmirJusufi
Posted 2009-07-23 13:15:37 and read 22908 times.



Quoting LX8626 (Reply 64):
According to this site HB-JMN did MUC-ZRH today

http://www.libhomeradar.org/database...age=0

Quite impressing.  Smile

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: DALCE
Posted 2009-07-24 01:36:31 and read 22793 times.



Quoting LX138 (Reply 61):
Does anybody know what the current frequency is and whether they send anything other than the ARJ? I know they have a pretty short runway at FLR but you can get a A32S in there.

We operate 3x daily with AR1 equipment and no 32S planned for the coming days.
Loads seem to be quite ok, have done some random checks, but all above 75% LF.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Vegas005
Posted 2009-07-24 04:10:55 and read 22706 times.



Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 52):
I read a short message on Swiss TV SF 1 Teletext page 722 that SQ postponed the plans flying the A 380 to Zurich. The problems are not taxiways or the air-bridges at the gates but the number of seats at the gates. At the moment there are maximum 250 seats in the gate's waiting area. This is too little for an A 380 and Unique (Zurich Airport AG) would have to do some construction works, which is possible but would cost a few million CHF. I guess in the current crises they are not willing to invest, but let's see what happens in the close future.

Unique is really dropping the ball lately. First the B terminal is late getting updated forcing Schegen passengers to be bussed to planes out of the crammed, dirty "B" bus area. Now they did not "know" they needed more seats in the waiting area for an A380...incredibly bad management. Unique is one of my favorite airports, but lately it is gettig worse...hope the trend does not continue.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: ZRH
Posted 2009-07-24 04:55:32 and read 22680 times.



Quoting Vegas005 (Reply 67):
Unique is really dropping the ball lately. First the B terminal is late getting updated forcing Schegen passengers to be bussed to planes out of the crammed, dirty "B" bus area. Now they did not "know" they needed more seats in the waiting area for an A380...incredibly bad management. Unique is one of my favorite airports, but lately it is gettig worse...hope the trend does not continue.

You are partly right but exaggerate a little bit  Wink . For a certain time they did not need much of the B-Dock (after 9/11) therefore they did nothing there (I agree that these bus gates are not really nice). Now with Schengen and the again rising numbers of passengers (cut temporarily by the crises) they rebuilt Dock-B and I am sure it will be lovely. Regarding the waiting areas for an A 380 I think, they had always the plan only to upgrade when an airline has serious intentions to come with her regularly. Now the crises constrains these investments. But I am sure that, if SQ really wants, they will do it nevertheless.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LX138
Posted 2009-07-24 09:05:30 and read 22571 times.



Quoting DALCE (Reply 66):
We operate 3x daily with AR1 equipment and no 32S planned for the coming days.
Loads seem to be quite ok, have done some random checks, but all above 75% LF

Thanks for that, do you know what percentage is generally connecting traffic, and what flights they are generally coming from? It seems LX do pretty well on FLR flights.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2009-07-24 11:09:32 and read 22520 times.

I'm wondering though how much Unique actually wants SQ to bring in the A380. When you consider that the revenue of two 77W are most likely higher of one 380. Given the massive investments the 380 service may not be so profitable for a smaller airport like ZRH where I could only see one more A380 service in the future (EK when they have a big 380 fleet).
But then again, airports should provide the airlines with all the facilities needed to make them happy.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-07-24 13:15:05 and read 22459 times.

HB-JMA is back from it's heavy maintenance check after just 20 days it will fly tonight to HKG. I'd assume that as of today HB-JMB is in for heavy maintenance?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: RJ100
Posted 2009-07-27 11:22:10 and read 22164 times.

Ryanair increases Basel-Marseille from 2 weekly flights to 5 weekly and Basel-Stansted from 3 weekly flights to daily as per winter schedule.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: DALCE
Posted 2009-07-27 14:27:37 and read 22091 times.



Quoting LX138 (Reply 69):
Thanks for that, do you know what percentage is generally connecting traffic, and what flights they are generally coming from? It seems LX do pretty well on FLR flights.

nope, sorry can't look into this kind of data.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2009-07-27 14:30:16 and read 22085 times.



Quoting DALCE (Reply 73):
nope, sorry can't look into this kind of data.

And even if you could, you probably shouldn't publish such data  Wink

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Dens
Posted 2009-07-27 23:58:38 and read 22010 times.

Afterr MyAir bankrupt in Italy, Darwin Airline, the Lugano based airline, started flights in Italy. New route opened yesterday are:

- Foggia - Milano
- Foggia - Torino
- Foggia - Palermo


All theses routes were operated by Darwin on behalf of Myair. Darwin received the autorization to operate in Italy.
That's a good news for this small airline and I hope they will be succesful.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2009-07-28 04:32:49 and read 22000 times.



Quoting RJ100 (Reply 72):
Basel-Marseille from 2 weekly flights to 5 weekly and Basel-Stansted from 3 weekly flights to daily

Nice. Especially the daily connection to Stansted gives one much better opportunities to connect on another FR flight everywhere in Europe. Now I'm just waiting for some more 1EUR all incl. flights Big grin

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: DALCE
Posted 2009-07-28 09:07:01 and read 21908 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 74):
And even if you could, you probably shouldn't publish such data

Don't worry Sandro. I know what I can and can't publish.  Smile

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-07-28 12:21:06 and read 21850 times.

SWISS operated for the first time one of it's 2 brand new A333's (HB-JMA) to ORD today. Where is HB-JHC shouldn't the plane be already in the fleet?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LACA773
Posted 2009-07-28 23:45:18 and read 21717 times.



Quoting SXDFC (Reply 19):
As we all know Swiss operates almost an all Airbus fleet. During my spare time I create fantasy liveries for the airlines as well as modifications as well. Just recently I came up with a Swiss Boeing 737-800. Pretty soon I will be designing a fantasy livery for Swiss also that I will post here.

Here is the "737-857":

Thanks for the great illustration. It looks great. I would like to do things like this myself. How do you do it?

How's LX's LAX flight doing? I hope well enough to keep it going...

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Someone83
Posted 2009-07-29 00:25:41 and read 21702 times.

What are Swiss' plan with the interior of their A-340s? Will they also get the new business and first class?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: ZRH
Posted 2009-07-29 06:55:51 and read 21583 times.

A question came up: SWISS has different block-times for the "same" route from JFK to ZRH. Example from SWISS page:
Departure JFK on July 29th: LX 17 A 333, time 8h 15; LX 15 A 332, time 8h 05.
What makes this 10 min difference for the "same" flight? It can't be the aircraft because at the next day they have a 332 on LX 17 and a 333 on LX 15. Slot? Route? Do they expect a longer taxiing at JFK on the earlier flight (LX 17)? Or what else?
I know it is a scheduled time and the real time can differ very much (winds etc). But why do they schedule different times for the same route (JFK-ZRH)?

[Edited 2009-07-29 06:57:05]

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-07-29 13:11:32 and read 21461 times.



Quoting ZRH" class=quote target=_blank>ZRH (Reply 81):
A question came up: SWISS has different block-times for the "same" route from JFK to ZRH. Example from SWISS page:
Departure JFK on July 29th: LX 17 A 333, time 8h 15; LX 15 A 332, time 8h 05.
What makes this 10 min difference for the "same" flight? It can't be the aircraft because at the next day they have a 332 on LX 17 and a 333 on LX 15. Slot? Route? Do they expect a longer taxiing at JFK on the earlier flight (LX 17)? Or what else?
I know it is a scheduled time and the real time can differ very much (winds etc). But why do they schedule different times for the same route (JFK-ZRH)?

The scheduled time definetly has nothing to do with aircraft type....outbound flight times ZRH-JFK for instance are for both flights the same. The block time for the JFK-ZRH times were increased over the years. During the wintertimetable 2001/2002 (last ever Swissair timetable) SR101 which is equivalent to LX017 departed JFK at 18:15 and arrived to ZRH the next day at 07:50 which gave a block time of 7h35min. Over the years the block time for the JFK-ZRH flights were increased as traffic picked up and the airport got more and more congested. Given the current traffic situation at JFK the time of LX015 might be slightly busier than for the earlier departure of LX017 hence therefore the 10 minutes extra of block time. Over the last 3 or so times I took LX015 the taxy times wre once 50 minutes (very fast for JFK) once 1.5 hours and another time 2 hours which included a 20 minute shut down of engines in the middle of the taxyway to save fuel.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Trvlr
Posted 2009-07-29 14:09:20 and read 21431 times.

Does anyone know if one of the new A330-300s will operate ORD-ZRH on Friday July 31? I am scheduled to fly on that day but want to make sure I'll get the new aircraft. The route is scheduled as a 333, but seems to have been switching to a 343 recently.

Thanks!

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Knightsofmalta
Posted 2009-07-30 05:22:36 and read 21322 times.

I returned from LGW to BSL with Easyjet yesterday evening. I've never been much of a fan of their's but I have to hand it to them, they take safety on board a lot more seriously than Swiss do.

The Easyjet crew was very diligent and they really seemed to spot every little thing that was amiss, both for take-off and landing. So kudos the Easyjet for that.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: ChrisZRH
Posted 2009-07-30 07:30:16 and read 21282 times.

@LXA340: HBJHC had a small accident on the right hand side fuselage during inboard slat change. Delivery is postponed until further notice by Airbus.

cheers,
chris

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-07-30 13:18:38 and read 21169 times.



Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 84):
@LXA340: HBJHC had a small accident on the right hand side fuselage during inboard slat change. Delivery is postponed until further notice by Airbus.

Thanks Chris for the info. Doesn't LX have the right to claim for compensation or at least further price reductions? I gues HB-JHD will be delivered in that case before HB-JHC as it is due in the next 2 weeks?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2009-07-30 15:01:57 and read 21140 times.

According to skyliner-aviation.de, HB-JHC was delivered yesterday. According to a flightforum.ch HB-JHC landed yesterday on rwy14 in ZRH. Is this the frame that was supposed to be HB-JHD as they have swapped registrations?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: ZRH
Posted 2009-07-30 15:56:10 and read 21131 times.



Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 87):
According to skyliner-aviation.de, HB-JHC was delivered yesterday. According to a flightforum.ch HB-JHC landed yesterday on rwy14 in ZRH. Is this the frame that was supposed to be HB-JHD as they have swapped registrations

It could be that an other 333 is now at ZRH (JHC or JHD). When I drove by on the highway I saw partly a SWISS wide-body plane sitting at the stands between the Bogenhangar and Gate Gourmet. As I had to drive I could not look at it closely but it could very well be a 333 (looked new).

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Asiaflyer
Posted 2009-07-30 17:42:45 and read 21125 times.



Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 87):
Is this the frame that was supposed to be HB-JHD as they have swapped registrations?

Yes thats correct.
It was c/n 1029, which originally was designated as HB-JHD, that was delivered as HB-JHC.
 Smile

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: ChrisZRH
Posted 2009-07-31 01:31:19 and read 21077 times.

Here's what's happened. Just above the static ports

http://www.christiangalliker.com/DSCN2008.JPG

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-07-31 11:30:22 and read 20914 times.



Quoting ZRH" class=quote target=_blank>ZRH (Reply 88):
It could be that an other 333 is now at ZRH (JHC or JHD). When I drove by on the highway I saw partly a SWISS wide-body plane sitting at the stands between the Bogenhangar and Gate Gourmet. As I had to drive I could not look at it closely but it could very well be a 333 (looked new).



Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 89):

Yes thats correct.
It was c/n 1029, which originally was designated as HB-JHD, that was delivered as HB-JHC.



Quoting ChrisZRH (Reply 90):
Here's what's happened. Just above the static ports

HB-JHC had it's first flight today as LX014 to JFK. Airbus has time till some point towards the end of the month to deliver HB-JHC (originally to be HB-JHC) as the 4th plane was scheduled to be delivered at some point during August. It looks like a little damage simmilar to when a catering car rams the plane from this angle but it's hard to tell on the picture. When you buy a new car you also excpect no scratch otherwise it's not a new car therefore compensation might be apropriate?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: ZRH
Posted 2009-07-31 16:08:27 and read 20843 times.



Quoting LXA340 (Reply 91):
HB-JHC had it's first flight today as LX014 to JFK.

Thanks. You are absolutely right. I have just now checked the arrivals of ZRH today (Aug 1st). LX 17 HB-JHC !

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-08-01 10:57:28 and read 20686 times.

Quoting ZRH" class=quote target=_blank>ZRH (Reply 92):
Thanks. You are absolutely right. I have just now checked the arrivals of ZRH today (Aug 1st). LX 17 HB-JHC !

I gues now there are really only 7 A332's left in the LX fleet and HB-IQK will not return back to service? It didn't fly since July 3rd. HB-IQJ will probably leave the fleet once the 4th A333 of LX will be delivered towards the end of August?

[Edited 2009-08-01 10:58:20]

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LX8626
Posted 2009-08-02 10:27:04 and read 20483 times.

On my daily flight tracking at ZRH I discovered that there is something wrong with HB-IHS.

Does anybody know what happened to HB-IHS today in AYT ?

She left ZRH today morning, but there is no incomming of HB-IHS.
The return flight from AYT will be operated with TC-SUM (XQ's 738) and flight AB 5616 to KGS will be operated with HB-IHR (instead of HB-IHS) after about 7 hrs delay.

Any information?

cheers

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-08-02 11:07:54 and read 20460 times.



Quoting LX8626 (Reply 94):

Any information?

The flight had to return to AYT shortly after departure due to a bird strike. All the 206 Passengers and 7 crew members are safe. The plane will remain at AYT for the time being and as you said the passengers will be flowin with a chartered XQ plane back to ZRH.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2009-08-02 13:04:15 and read 20414 times.

http://avherald.com/h?article=41da180e&opt=0

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LX8626
Posted 2009-08-02 13:48:28 and read 20390 times.

Thanks very much, Sandro.

XQ's flight back to ZRH is cancelled now.

Perhaps they booked the passengers on the other 3 flight AYT-ZRH by FHE, XQ and LX

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: ZRH
Posted 2009-08-03 08:49:43 and read 20222 times.

For all German reading people, an interesting magazine. The new NZZ Folio from August 3rd (monthly publication by Neue Zürcher Zeitung, always on first Monday of each month) reports the flight LX 14 from May 12 2009. They followed the whole planing, preparation and the flight itself. I did not read it yet but it seems quite interesting. For those who are interested, you have to buy the newspaper from Monday August 3rd or you can order a separate copy from the NZZ:
http://www.nzzfolio.ch/www/dada0e91-...3d2760100/showpages/nzz-folio.aspx

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: 777way
Posted 2009-08-03 09:28:34 and read 20186 times.

Which company deisgned the fantastic new LX First class cabin.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2009-08-03 09:52:00 and read 20186 times.



Quoting ZRH (Reply 98):
For those who are interested, you have to buy the newspaper from Monday August 3rd or you can order a separate copy from the NZZ:

Thanks for the link Phil! You don't even need to buy the newspaper, it's all online:

http://www.nzzfolio.ch/www/d80bd71b-...0-81cc-4c98-9491-c9ce5164c85b.aspx

I'll start reading now. I briefly looked through the pics and recognised one of the Flight Attendants Big grin

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: ZRH
Posted 2009-08-03 10:15:15 and read 20257 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 100):
Thanks for the link Phil! You don't even need to buy the newspaper, it's all online:

Thanks, Sandro. I did not realize that it is online because I have the magazine in hard-copy.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2009-08-04 06:09:38 and read 20053 times.

Does anybody know what a USAF BBJ is doing at ZRH? It's parked on the remote stands across RWY16 by the heligrill.

Is there a state visit that I haven't heard of, or does it have something to do with UBS?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Dtswi
Posted 2009-08-04 06:45:12 and read 20046 times.

does anyone know if the new 333 will disserve as well Asia, like Bangkok?

And also: any more precise idea when the 1st 343 will be refitted like the 333?

thanks !

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: ZRH
Posted 2009-08-04 10:07:46 and read 20002 times.



Quoting Dtswi (Reply 103):
does anyone know if the new 333 will disserve as well Asia, like Bangkok?

And also: any more precise idea when the 1st 343 will be refitted like the 333

No, SWISS will not fly the 333 to BKK. They use their 15 A 343 for long long-haul (like BKK, PVG, HKG, NRT, JNB, GRU, LAX etc.) and the 333 for shorter long-haul (US east coast, Africa, middle east etc).
The 343 will be refitted, but I don't know how much (what classes) probably others know more about it (LXA340 or SandroZRH).

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Dtswi
Posted 2009-08-04 10:24:46 and read 19978 times.

Thank you ZRH for your info.

One more comment: I feel like swiss is not updating their "news" section on their website. Last info was end of June. No info on the 3rd 333 in service for ex. etc. Nothing for the whole month of July...Mr Hohmeister pls monitor !  Wink

Weared.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: ZRH
Posted 2009-08-04 10:30:21 and read 19967 times.



Quoting Dtswi (Reply 105):
I feel like swiss is not updating their "news" section on their website. Last info was end of June. No info on the 3rd 333 in service for ex. etc. Nothing for the whole month of July...Mr Hohmeister pls monitor !

I agree. Some parts of the home-page is updated slowly, for example "fleet". BTW I think this is not Mr Hohmeister's business as CEO  Wink .

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: ZRH
Posted 2009-08-04 10:37:20 and read 19965 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 102):
Does anybody know what a USAF BBJ is doing at ZRH? It's parked on the remote stands across RWY16 by the heligrill.

Is there a state visit that I haven't heard of, or does it have something to do with UBS?

I don't know either. You can speculate: was Hillary Clinton here to speak to Calmy-Rey?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Dtswi
Posted 2009-08-04 10:46:36 and read 19957 times.

Dear Zrh, if I may comment  Wink: of course it is not his direct responsability, but still at the end of the day he is responsible at all levels.

I cannot imagine that it could be something trivial like: "there is currently no update, as the person who is in charge of internet communications is on vacation" - I hope not !

To my "taste" there is room for improvement there.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: ZRH
Posted 2009-08-04 10:49:17 and read 19950 times.



Quoting Dtswi (Reply 108):
Dear Zrh, if I may comment  : of course it is not his direct responsability, but still at the end of the day he is responsible at all levels.

I cannot imagine that it could be something trivial like: "there is currently no update, as the person who is in charge of internet communications is on vacation" - I hope not !

To my "taste" there is room for improvement there.

 Smile  checkmark  I agree

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Dtswi
Posted 2009-08-04 12:19:24 and read 19927 times.

LXA340 or SandroZRH: any update on the refitting of 343 similar to 333? Any idea when it will start?

Thanks guys  Wink

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Standby87
Posted 2009-08-04 12:43:47 and read 19918 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 100):
Thanks for the link Phil! You don't even need to buy the newspaper, it's all online:

http://www.nzzfolio.ch/www/d80bd71b-...0-81cc-4c98-9491-c9ce5164c85b.aspx

I'll start reading now. I briefly looked through the pics and recognised one of the Flight Attendants

BIG THANKS!

It's in English and French as well - excellent article!

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-08-04 12:46:15 and read 19919 times.



Quoting Dtswi (Reply 105):

One more comment: I feel like swiss is not updating their "news" section on their website. Last info was end of June. No info on the 3rd 333 in service for ex. etc. Nothing for the whole month of July...Mr Hohmeister pls monitor ! Wink

Over the summer months things are relatively quiet, however they will not make a release after evry A333 will be delivered only once all frames will be delivered they will mention that. The finanical and traffic results for Jan-Jun were published in additon a press release was mae regarding the new check in system for economy passengers in zurich which was put into force last thursday for some reason they forgot to post the english version if it, maybe their translator is on holiday  Wink

Quoting Dtswi (Reply 110):
LXA340 or SandroZRH: any update on the refitting of 343 similar to 333? Any idea when it will start?

By the end of this month or at the begining of next HB-JMC is scheduled for heavy maintenance and during that the new cabin should be installed nevertheless if the plane will get new F and Y seating and also a new IFE system I don't know. Neverheless as of September every month another A343 is scheduled to receive at least the new C. I guess Sandro might know more regarding the refit due to his conenctions to SRTechnics  Wink

Regarding the A333's, LX is still talking about 9 planes when they release any information about them. For instance on the M&M website there is a release about MUmbai and Delhi to get the A333's as of this autumn and that by 2011 all 9 frames will be delivered but since a year or so the order was inceased to 11?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Dtswi
Posted 2009-08-04 13:14:55 and read 19886 times.

thank you lxa340 for those explanations  Smile

waiting for sandro to enlighten me further...

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Knightsofmalta
Posted 2009-08-05 01:43:13 and read 19797 times.



Quoting LXA340 (Reply 112):
By the end of this month or at the begining of next HB-JMC is scheduled for heavy maintenance and during that the new cabin should be installed nevertheless if the plane will get new F and Y seating and also a new IFE system I don't know.

Hi Dtswi

The A. 340s will receive the new cabin in C and Y but not in F. In Economy they will have the seats LH originally ordered for its A. 380. Hope that helps.

Cheers

William

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Dtswi
Posted 2009-08-05 03:41:50 and read 19724 times.

thank you kinghtsofmalta.

It does not make sense to me to upgrade comfort in C and Y, but not in first...

Hopefully this is provisory, and eventually the 1st class is one product throughout the types (333 and 343) !

cheers

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2009-08-06 03:05:17 and read 19517 times.

Some short news:

Easyjet will beginn twice daily service on BSL-DUS route starting November 2. Easyjet has also added new destinations from Geneva for this winter: CPH, SSH and FCO.

A Boeing 717 of Quantum Air made the first landing of this aircraft type in BRN yesterday bringing in the soccer team of Athletic Bilbao to the Europa League Match against Young Boys Berne.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-08-06 11:58:36 and read 19389 times.



Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 114):
The A. 340s will receive the new cabin in C and Y but not in F. In Economy they will have the seats LH originally ordered for its A. 380. Hope that helps.



Quoting Dtswi (Reply 115):

I fully agree that this doesn't make any sense, especially considering that the A340's are used on the longest routes in the LX network. Why has LX decided to do that? If C and Y get new seating they could also upgrade F in order for passengers to have the same seats in all clases no matter if they fly with an A343 or an A333. I am not too worried about the IFE system as LX is not using the full potential of it anyway both on A343 and also on the new one on the A333's as tje ,pvoe selectin could be increased on both systems and currently is at a poor 25 or so.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: RJ100
Posted 2009-08-06 12:28:34 and read 19369 times.

Also, easyJet will go daily (up from 2 weekly) on the Basel to Bordeaux route in winter.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Dtswi
Posted 2009-08-07 01:13:19 and read 19241 times.

Quoting LXA340 (reply 117):

exactly.

Would be nice if Sandro had more piece of information !

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Knightsofmalta
Posted 2009-08-07 10:38:16 and read 19085 times.



Quoting Dtswi (Reply 115):
It does not make sense to me to upgrade comfort in C and Y, but not in first...

The official reason is that the first class product currently installed on the A. 340s is still good enough and does not need changing, whereas the C and Y class product are not longer deemed up to date by LX. Personally I tend to agree, I like LX's current first class seat and have always slept very well in it. I mean sure, it isn't as wide as SQ's new first class seat but then again on a long-haul flight you need to be able to stretch your legs, you don't expand in width!

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-08-07 11:51:33 and read 19090 times.

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 120):
The official reason is that the first class product currently installed on the A. 340s is still good enough and does not need changing, whereas the C and Y class product are not longer deemed up to date by LX. Personally I tend to agree, I like LX's current first class seat and have always slept very well in it. I mean sure, it isn't as wide as SQ's new first class seat but then again on a long-haul flight you need to be able to stretch your legs, you don't expand in width!

At the end of the day the long haul fleet of LX will consist of 26 Planes 11 A333's and 15 A343's by 2011, hence it would be nice to have on the whole fleet the same product considering the size is rather small. Especially if planes undergo a D check where everything is taken apart and C and Y class is being updated it can't cost that much more to also upgrade First. SWISS wants to be a premium airline and especially now when deman for First Class is not anymore too strong you can't have a C Class product that is just as comfortable to sleep in then the current A343 First Class (Excluding the Duvet of course   ) and have the difference between and C and F very small because people will really not see a point to spend the extra money. YOu will need to offer a top product and just because BA and LH for isntance currently offer a C Class worse than on the A343's of LX you need to see this upgrade as a longer term investment as with this product LX should be competitive for the next 5-7 years at least and at that point some of the A343's will probably start to be phased out and replaced with A350's anyway. Then LX should rather swithc the A333 First Class and install it on the A343 and install the current A343 seats on the A333's then the A343 is used on LX's longest routes so they should use at least the same product but not a worse product for their longest routes this really doesn't make too much sense.

[Edited 2009-08-07 11:55:26]

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: RJ100
Posted 2009-08-08 07:49:47 and read 18904 times.

Basel to Düsseldorf is now on sale with the following schedule:

BSL-DUS:

Mon-Fri = 0700-0815
Mon-Fri = 1935-2050
Sat = 1115-1230
Sun = 1935-2050

DUS-BSL:

Mon-Fri = 0845-1005
Mon-Fri = 2120-2240
Sat = 1300-1420
Sun = 2120-2240

The current schedule would require an additional aircraft based in Basel. According to well informed sources an A-320 will support the 4 A-319 that are currently based here.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-08-08 09:06:08 and read 18876 times.



Quoting RJ100 (Reply 122):
The current schedule would require an additional aircraft based in Basel. According to well informed sources an A-320 will support the 4 A-319 that are currently based here.

The A320's are ex BA MED planes right?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Viasa
Posted 2009-08-08 09:16:49 and read 18873 times.



Quoting LXA340 (Reply 123):
The A320's are ex BA MED planes right?

easyJet has five A320-232s in it's fleet, all of them are former GB Airways planes and are destinated for British Airways soon. But easyJet has also eleven factory new build A320-214s in the fleet - more will follow shortly.

I've checked the longhaul fleet of Swiss - HB-IQK (A332) and HB-JMB (A343) are not in service at the moment. Can someone confirm this? Thanks!

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-08-08 13:15:11 and read 18826 times.



Quoting Viasa (Reply 124):
I've checked the longhaul fleet of Swiss - HB-IQK (A332) and HB-JMB (A343) are not in service at the moment. Can someone confirm this? Thanks!

HB-JMB is currently undergoing a D check (Heavy Maintenance) and HB-IQK was taken out of service and is currenty stored at ZRH but should leave the fleet for good in the next months.

On another note I noticed that HB-JMN is not flying since 4 days or so....has LX decided to speed up the cabin renewal?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Dtswi
Posted 2009-08-10 10:25:06 and read 18643 times.

well... we are August 11 tomorrow and besides the factual info about traffic & finances, still no news (press releases) on swiss' website since June 24th !

Not good.

I sent a message already last week to Swiss customer service, but have got no feed-back yet.

Like passengers hearing the pilot's voice, public needs regular information about how/what a Co. is doing.

I don't think I am being too subjective, am I ?  blockhead 

[Edited 2009-08-10 10:35:42]

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-08-10 13:12:01 and read 18552 times.



Quoting Dtswi (Reply 126):
Not good.

I sent a message already last week to Swiss customer service, but have got no feed-back yet.

Like passengers hearing the pilot's voice, public needs regular information about how/what a Co. is doing.

I don't think I am being too subjective, am I ? blockhead

honestly as said....it's summer and there really aren't any spectacular news. As mentioned the financial results for Jan-Jun which are published and the new check in procedure for economy passengers at ZRH. The financial results are published in all languages however for some reason the check in procedure release only in German. Once the summer season is over towards the end of the month you will receive new news such as Wintertimetable updates etc.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LX8626
Posted 2009-08-10 14:37:16 and read 18470 times.



Quoting LXA340 (Reply 125):
On another note I noticed that HB-JMN is not flying since 4 days or so....has LX decided to speed up the cabin renewal?

According to my ZRH-FlightTracking HB-JMN did her last "tracked" fligh on 03/AUG/2009 as LX289 JNB-ZRH.
Perhaps she is next for D-Check or she is still undergoing a D-Check.
HB-JMB must soon be out of check. As she now takes about 17 days.
HB-JMA took about 21 days.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Standby87
Posted 2009-08-10 23:29:12 and read 18431 times.



Quoting Dtswi (Reply 126):
I don't think I am being too subjective, am I ? blockhead

LOL! You mean "pedantic" not subjective  Wink

But you're quite right: attention to detail is part of the swiss (and the Swiss!) ethos and they make a difference.

Cheers!

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Standby87
Posted 2009-08-10 23:33:37 and read 18427 times.

Deleted double post due to waiting for Adverts that never appeared...

[Edited 2009-08-10 23:34:48]

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Ka
Posted 2009-08-11 03:08:21 and read 18436 times.



Quoting LX8626 (Reply 128):
According to my ZRH-FlightTracking HB-JMN did her last "tracked" fligh on 03/AUG/2009 as LX289 JNB-ZRH.
Perhaps she is next for D-Check or she is still undergoing a D-Check.

No. It is aviation crisis!
-JMN has been taken out of service until mid-october due to overcapacity.
-IQK has been taken out of service due to overcapacity (will go into HMV end-Aug) and won´t rejoin LX´ fleet).
-JMO will be taken out of service from Sep until mid-Oct due to overcapacity.

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 114):
The A. 340s will receive the new cabin in C and Y but not in F

The A343 will only receive new C seats. No new F and no Y. Reason: money.
And regarding F: it still hasn´t been decided if the new seats on the A333 even have to be taken out due to dangerously sharp corners and edges.


Quoting Dtswi (Reply 126):
we are August 11 tomorrow and besides the factual info about traffic & finances, still no news (press releases) on swiss' website since June 24th !

Well, if I go to LX´ website, I see a press release from July 30th...

KA.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Dtswi
Posted 2009-08-11 07:04:50 and read 18424 times.

Thank you KA for your input. How reliable is your information? May I ask if you work for Swiss?

Thanks.

Best regards

Standby87: lol  Wink exactly!
LXa340 thx for yr precision

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-08-11 13:30:51 and read 18107 times.



Quoting Ka (Reply 131):

The A343 will only receive new C seats. No new F and no Y. Reason: money.
And regarding F: it still hasn´t been decided if the new seats on the A333 even have to be taken out due to dangerously sharp corners and edges.

This is a long term investment. If the A343's will get now a coplete refit they will not need a new cabin until they will get retired. Wow....I didn't hear that yet the seat doesn't look that sharp too me. Well this would be quite deasterous if LX would need to redesign their F. Can't you solve the probelm by adding some rubber etc to the sharp edges if at all they are exisiting. As said I think it's stupid of LX not to have the same F product on the entire long haul fleet. SWiSS is a premium airline and this needs to be expected no matter to where you always get the same product on all long haul flights.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Knightsofmalta
Posted 2009-08-11 22:05:53 and read 18017 times.

In view of Ka's revelations that the new First may not be here to last, you might want to check out LXfans excellent trip report in First class on the new LX A. 330-300.

LX Fourteen : This Is MY Flight. Swiss Made (by LXfan Aug 11 2009 in Trip Reports)

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Dtswi
Posted 2009-08-12 07:28:55 and read 17885 times.

Thank you Knightsofmalta for your input.

Yes and again: it does not make sense at all to have different product on different airplanes, and worse: to have an older product on a longer haul a/c !

I want to hope that KA's statement will not turn real.  vomit 

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-08-12 12:46:44 and read 17813 times.



Quoting Dtswi (Reply 135):

Yes and again: it does not make sense at all to have different product on different airplanes, and worse: to have an older product on a longer haul a/c !

I want to hope that KA's statement will not turn real. vomit

True, once again I fully agree with you. SWISS is a great airline and esepcially because of that they need to offer a consistent product to be even greater  Smile

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2009-08-12 13:52:26 and read 17789 times.

I think we all need to relax and start thinking rationally.

Yes, i too think it's unfortnate that LX is not going to retrofit their A340 F class, but has it ever grown on anybody that LX simply does NOT have the funds to do it? Does anybody know what such an F class seat costs? All of us would have to work for several months to be able to afford one, and that's without IFE. Add to that the costs of installation, maintenance and a lot of minor things that would never even cross our minds.

LX still has major investements to cover, primarly the acquisition costs of their A333s, and while things (financially speaking) might still look good from an outside point of view, they are more grim than you may think. LX earned CHF3M in the second quarter, and while people may think that black numbers are always good numbers, they are not if the same company earned CHF188M in the same period of the previous year. LX won't be able to cover their investement costs this year, that alone should ring some major bells.

I too was thinking that it was a stupid move by LX, and I was thinking that they simply didn't want to spend the money. But since i got access to core inside information, i realised that the truth is that LX would very much like to spend that money, but you can't spend money that you don't have.

We will see how the situation develops once the economy will pick up again, it's very much possible that the A340s will be refitted at a later date (which is what our management has in mind).

And last but not least, LX's F product in the A340 might not be world leading, but it's solid and even good compared to what certain other airlines sell as "F". Also, on a sidenote, LX is the only airline that offers a real First class on all of their intercontinental flights. They could also have simply stopped offering F class on their A330s and instead upgrade the A340s, but likewise, people would complain.

I see improvements needed in other classes, especially Y, both long- and shorthaul, long before there is a need for a new A340 F class. But that is my opinion, feel free to have yours.

PS: If you see (or hear) LX1310 or LX1311 on september 21st, be sure to wave Big grin

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: ZRH
Posted 2009-08-12 14:03:50 and read 17772 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 137):
If you see (or hear) LX1310 or LX1311 on september 21st, be sure to wave

Great. Is this your first flight in the right seat? Congrats.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-08-13 13:22:00 and read 17564 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 137):

LX still has major investements to cover, primarly the acquisition costs of their A333s, and while things (financially speaking) might still look good from an outside point of view, they are more grim than you may think. LX earned CHF3M in the second quarter, and while people may think that black numbers are always good numbers, they are not if the same company earned CHF188M in the same period of the previous year. LX won't be able to cover their investement costs this year, that alone should ring some major bells.

I too was thinking that it was a stupid move by LX, and I was thinking that they simply didn't want to spend the money. But since i got access to core inside information, i realised that the truth is that LX would very much like to spend that money, but you can't spend money that you don't have.

Altough I critizised the move by LX a lot I do agree with you in retrospect that at those times it is better to wait with the upgrade of the F and Y cabins as I agree especially with F the seats are a solid product. I just expect LX to upgrade both F and Y in the A343 in around 2 years or so once the economic situation and the financial figures will improve.

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 137):
PS: If you see (or hear) LX1310 or LX1311 on september 21st, be sure to wave Big grin

Hehe....all the best for your first commercial flight under your comand  Wink

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2009-08-13 13:28:56 and read 17562 times.



Quoting LXA340 (Reply 139):
I just expect LX to upgrade both F and Y in the A343 in around 2 years or so once the economic situation and the financial figures will improve.

That's what they have in mind right now.

Quoting ZRH" class=quote target=_blank>ZRH (Reply 138):
Great. Is this your first flight in the right seat? Congrats.



Quoting LXA340 (Reply 139):
Hehe....all the best for your first commercial flight under your comand

Well, actually it's just my first observer flight. I have to do 4 days as an observer on the jumpseat before they let me touch the controls on a commercial flight, but about a week or two after these flights I'll have my first flight in the right seat.

At least it's the first time being part of a crew, that's something, right? Big grin

My schedule is

ZRH-LED-ZRH

ZRH-FCO-ZRH-CDG-ZRH

ZRH-VIE-ZRH-CDG

CDG-ZRH-IST-ZRH

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: ZRH
Posted 2009-08-13 13:49:44 and read 17564 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 140):
Well, actually it's just my first observer flight. I have to do 4 days as an observer on the jumpseat before they let me touch the controls on a commercial flight, but about a week or two after these flights I'll have my first flight in the right seat.

At least it's the first time being part of a crew, that's something, right? 

My schedule is

ZRH-LED-ZRH

ZRH-FCO-ZRH-CDG-ZRH

ZRH-VIE-ZRH-CDG

CDG-ZRH-IST-ZRH

Sounds good. A lot of CDG incl night stop  Smile . Before your first flight do you train on a real aircraft or only in the simulator?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Ka
Posted 2009-08-14 00:45:48 and read 17440 times.

-JMB is just now doing a test-flight after the D-check as SWR5220.

KA.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Dtswi
Posted 2009-08-14 02:27:50 and read 17397 times.

replying to SandroZRH and lxa340:

Thank you both for your input.

Sorry but if I may:
1) swissness and premium airline is swiss' aim; you cannot have on a same plane a new business class that is becoming almost as good as the first class that is not renovated; latest the premium clients will ask for it.
2) swiss is Lufthansa's best daughter in term of profitablity; it is definitely worth investing in her;
3) I am confident there are ways to finance the F&Y class refurbishment with a long term loan, either partially with Lufthansa's reserves or directly with a bank.

Bottom line: it is down to what the clients want and to me it is definitely worth the investment. At least get the F class done and leave the Y for later.

If not, then it was a mistake to buy brand new 333's. Why not sticking with the 332 and refurbish them together with the 343, wait a couple of years until the new 350 comes.
I never quite understood that move anyway... Better having 90% full 332 than 70% full 333, even with a 13% less fuel consumption for the latter, isn't it? Or is it because Lufthansa ordered "too many" of them and redirected them to Swiss ?

But maybe the better question is: does Swiss make money on First class at all? Does anybody have real numbers?

Thanks for continuing this interesting discussion  Wink

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: ZRH
Posted 2009-08-14 02:56:24 and read 17382 times.



Quoting Dtswi (Reply 143):
If not, then it was a mistake to buy brand new 333's.

I agree with you in the most aspects but the new 333 has nothing to do at all with the refurbishing of the 343. They needed the 333 because the 332 is too small for them for an all three class fleet. Once they decided not to have any two class long-haul aircrafts anymore they needed a bigger one than the 332. The space you need for the new first and especially the business class would leave too little room for an economic size of the economy class.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Ka
Posted 2009-08-14 03:34:19 and read 17382 times.

Re: A332/333:
All but two A332 are leased. As LH historically tries to keep the number of owned a/c high, LX tried to buy their A332 and then refurbish/reconfigure them. Though the prices the leasing companies asked made it not viable compared to newly ordered A333.

KA.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2009-08-14 10:05:22 and read 17258 times.



Quoting Ka (Reply 142):
-JMB is just now doing a test-flight after the D-check as SWR5220.

Was that the A340 that performed a rather unsusual departure to the north around mid-morning?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-08-14 15:28:22 and read 17159 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 140):
That's what they have in mind right now.

As long as LX will upgrade the planes eventually that is perfectly fine and obviously understandable that they decide to wait with this investment a little bit

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 140):
At least it's the first time being part of a crew, that's something, right? Big grin

definetly an awsome feeling  Smile

Quoting Ka (Reply 142):
-JMB is just now doing a test-flight after the D-check as SWR5220.

It left to BKK last night. When will JMC go in for heavy maintenance, as far as I know JMC will get the new C right?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Dtswi
Posted 2009-08-15 01:27:27 and read 17097 times.

Good morning everyone,

2 questions (sorry if I missed something):
1) do JMA and JMB now have new C cabin?
2) anybody has reliable info on how is F class performing at all at swiss?

Thanks !

Have a great week end

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-08-15 07:17:55 and read 16992 times.



Quoting Dtswi (Reply 148):
1) do JMA and JMB now have new C cabin?
2) anybody has reliable info on how is F class performing at all at swiss?

No JMA and JMB did not receive any news seats, I guess they werent available or LX ordered them too late. The first iarcraft to receive the new C and it looks like only the new C no new IFE etc will be HB-JMC and this plane is scheduled next for maintenance does anybody know when this plane is due for it's heavy maintenance visit?

To get the point of the IFE straight, that LX will not replace the systme for the time being is not really harming as the options available are plus minus identical to the new IFE system on the A333. The amount of movies and CD's is the same even the A343 IFE system has potential to be upgraded with a greater movie selection so that doesn't matter. Only little differences are that the A333 IFE offers a jukebox, a few more games and a different air show but that'a it. On top of that the A343's have a belly camera which the A333's do not have.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Dtswi
Posted 2009-08-15 11:24:40 and read 16908 times.



Quoting LXA340 (Reply 149):

thank you LXA340 for your info - a pity there is no official info from swiss yet on this important topic.

I guess my point b) will remain unanswered as well  Wink

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2009-08-15 14:11:39 and read 17037 times.



Quoting Dtswi (Reply 150):

thank you LXA340 for your info - a pity there is no official info from swiss yet on this important topic.

What do you expect?

A press release saying:

"Two of our A340-300 aircraft have now just undergone maintenance but due inavailability of our new business class seats, they still feature our business class product currently in service on our fleet of A340-300s."

Come on!

They will make it public once the first A340 actually gets the new business class installed.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-08-16 03:29:36 and read 16912 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 151):
What do you expect?

A press release saying:

"Two of our A340-300 aircraft have now just undergone maintenance but due inavailability of our new business class seats, they still feature our business class product currently in service on our fleet of A340-300s."

Come on!

They will make it public once the first A340 actually gets the new business class installed.



Quoting Dtswi (Reply 150):

I haven't seen any airline that is making a post about every little issue or movement therefore I don't see any need for such press releases as Sandro mentioned. If you compare press releases from SWISS with other major airlines I think that SWISS communicates more than average about developemnts within the airline. Just for example the name giving of it's aircraft you usually do not see any other airline making press releases about that unless it's a new plane that joined the fleet.

BTW Sandro do you know when HB-JMC will go in for heavy maintenance?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Sr176
Posted 2009-08-16 04:54:50 and read 16890 times.

The topic on which aircraft has which seats is not really relevant. We are not careing about it when doing a reservation on any of those flights. And believe me, we are doing many reservations.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Dtswi
Posted 2009-08-16 05:33:31 and read 16881 times.



Quoting Sr176 (Reply 153):

I do care, thank you, when you have a 12 hours flight BKK-Zrh and you are 188cm tall, you would know that the current business class seats are not the best  Wink ! But if the price is right, which is the case, then we forget about it.

But I agree with SandroZRH and LXA340 that he does not have to be in a press release necessarily !

Don't take me wrong: I am a 100% swiss supporter: I am Swiss myself, and always try and fly with them only (or LH or TP as alternative, both best safety/maintenance record). Always had , let's say , 95% satisfaction; they are just the best at the moment, in Europe and intercontinental for me - what's more, their price is not to beat: imagine I pay only 1'900E for business return ticket to Bangkok from Lisbon... I fly 3 times a year with them long haul and in Europe about 4 times. Love to make a stop over at unique "unique" airport:- and hear the happy cows in the tunnel before getting to Terminal E  Smile

Keep on going Swiss!

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-08-17 13:16:02 and read 16667 times.



Quoting Dtswi (Reply 154):

I do care, thank you, when you have a 12 hours flight BKK-Zrh and you are 188cm tall, you would know that the current business class seats are not the best Wink ! But if the price is right, which is the case, then we forget about it.

See it this way compared to the A332 Business Class seats the current C Class on the A340's are "First Class Suites"  Wink

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Dtswi
Posted 2009-08-18 04:23:33 and read 16510 times.



Quoting LXA340 (Reply 155):

Haha. Yes, true  Wink!

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: RJ100
Posted 2009-08-19 07:41:48 and read 16295 times.

Pegasus Airlines starts a 4 times weekly route Basel-Istanbul Sabiha Gökcen effective winter schedule. That makes 3 airlines to Istanbul (6 weekly easyJet SAW, 4 weekly Pegasus to SAW and 7 weekly Turkish to IST).

Also, DanubeWings will offer a weekly flight Basel-Poprad/Tatry every Saturday (in addition to the 4 weekly flights to Bratislava). The Slovakian airline is also considering other routes out of Basel (Italy was mentioned).

Israir plans two weekly flights BSL-TLV but it is not confirmed yet.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2009-08-19 08:08:08 and read 16281 times.



Quoting RJ100 (Reply 157):
The Slovakian airline is also considering other routes out of Basel (Italy was mentioned).

They better rename themselves RhineWings then  Wink Is the service to Poprad launched due to the car industry there (service for PSA)?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2009-08-19 09:43:07 and read 16249 times.



Quoting RJ100 (Reply 157):
Pegasus Airlines starts a 4 times weekly route Basel-Istanbul Sabiha Gökcen effective winter schedule.

and 5 x weekly from ZRH.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: RJ100
Posted 2009-08-19 12:05:06 and read 16214 times.



Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 158):
Is the service to Poprad launched due to the car industry there (service for PSA)?

If Im not mistaken, the Peugeot factory is in Trnava (about 55kms from Bratislava). Poprad might be more interesting for tourists. Its a beautiful region.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Vegas005
Posted 2009-08-21 01:19:06 and read 15998 times.



Quoting Dtswi (Reply 154):
Always had , let's say , 95% satisfaction; they are just the best at the moment, in Europe and intercontinental for me - what's more, their price is not to beat: imagine I pay only 1'900E for business return ticket to Bangkok from Lisbon.

I love Swiss too (although I am a critical rater) and prices to the USA are consistently 1.5 to 2 times higher than other airlines. Additionally the flights I take to BHX from ZRH routinely run over 1000 franks..not a bargain at all.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Dtswi
Posted 2009-08-22 23:42:05 and read 15699 times.



Quoting Vegas005 (Reply 161):

I was being egoistic  Wink From Portugal it is the case... It really depends on the land of origin.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: RJ100
Posted 2009-08-24 11:58:11 and read 15457 times.

MASKargo is arriving back to Basel as per 16/9/2009 with two weekly flights:

Wednesday:
MH 6123 ex SPL 20.20 / to TAS and KUL 22.50 B747-200F

Saturday:
MH 6151 ex SPL 15.50 / to TAS and KUL 18.20 B747-200F

 Smile

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-08-27 12:02:15 and read 14975 times.

SWISS operated LX052 to BOS today for he first time with the A333 I guess this was due to maintenance reasons as the plane was out of service yesterday.

On another note when witll the first A343 get the new Business Class and also what are my chances to get the new C Class on my flihts to and from BKK in early november?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2009-08-27 12:08:27 and read 14973 times.

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 164):
SWISS operated LX052 to BOS today for he first time with the A333 I guess this was due to maintenance reasons as the plane was out of service yesterday.

It may have been related to the following engine-related LX incident on a BOS-ZRH A343 reported in yesterday's Transport Canada daily occurrence report.

SWR53 A340-300 enroute Boston (KBOS) to Zurich (LSZH) at approximate position 4830N045W NAT Track W, descended from 39,000 feet to 35,000 feet without ATC clearance or advising of intention to descend. When questioned aircraft advised was not declaring an emergency but had descended due technical problem with one engine requiring a reduction in power to engine. Traffic at 38,000 feet, 36,000 feet, and 35,000 feet. Aircraft advised Contingency Procedures were used. ATC recleared flight to 34,000 feet M.78. Flight exited Gander OCA at 0523Z.

[Edited 2009-08-27 12:10:55]

[Edited 2009-08-27 12:11:43]

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-08-27 12:20:05 and read 14955 times.



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 165):

The aircraft in question departed on time to PVG today so proably a minor problem that could be fixed quickly in ZRH.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2009-08-27 16:34:14 and read 14891 times.

Swiss has taken delivery of its fourth Airbus 330-300 HB-JHD on August 26. It is planned to enter scheduled service within a few days.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-08-28 09:10:14 and read 14744 times.



Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 167):
Swiss has taken delivery of its fourth Airbus 330-300 HB-JHD on August 26. It is planned to enter scheduled service within a few days.

It has it's first scheduled flight today as LX014 to JFK

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: RJ100
Posted 2009-08-30 02:41:09 and read 14510 times.

After a few years without any services Basel receives back some winter longhauls this season:

Monday BIE 5334 arr.: 12.45 from Paris-Orly dep.: 14.15 to La Romana
Tuesday BIE 5335 arr.: 13.45 from La Romana dep.: to Paris-Orly
Thursday BIE 5340 dep.: 07.00 to Porlamar
Freitag BIE 5340 arr.: 06.55 from Porlamar dep.: 08.40 to Paris-Orly

Flights are under Air Méditerrannée code but operated with Monarch B-767. Also the Monarch A-330 service to Mombasa will continue through winter every two weeks.

Seems like EuroAirport has left the crisis. With all the new services announced figures will start to increase again with beginning of winter schedule.  Smile

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2009-08-31 15:15:18 and read 14158 times.



Quoting RJ100 (Reply 169):
Seems like EuroAirport has left the crisis. With all the new services announced figures will start to increase again with beginning of winter schedule.

It actually seems that ZRH and BSL have both weathered the storm without major cutbacks. A few frequency cuts here and there, but nothing drastic, and quite a few new services at both airports.

On a sidenote: There is another pathetic Anti-Fluglärm Initiative called "Fairflug-Initiative" which asks for an equal distribution of aircraft noise all around the ZRH. This will just further hamper ZRH's ability to run an efficient operation (already today, a lot of approaches at ZRH are being flown with tailwinds - compromising safety - and a lot of holdings are being flown in peak times - burning tons of fuel unnecessarily - just because of noise-abatement procedures. These are just two issues of many), and will make it even more difficult for ZRH to grow in the future.

I ask everyone to vote NO in september and show these pathetic Anti-Airport idiots the middle finger. And everyone who will vote yes should probably terminate his/her a.net membership now  Wink

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: ZRH
Posted 2009-09-01 03:28:44 and read 14046 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 170):
On a sidenote: There is another pathetic Anti-Fluglärm Initiative called "Fairflug-Initiative" which asks for an equal distribution of aircraft noise all around the ZRH. This will just further hamper ZRH's ability to run an efficient operation (already today, a lot of approaches at ZRH are being flown with tailwinds - compromising safety - and a lot of holdings are being flown in peak times - burning tons of fuel unnecessarily - just because of noise-abatement procedures. These are just two issues of many), and will make it even more difficult for ZRH to grow in the future.

I ask everyone to vote NO in september and show these pathetic Anti-Airport idiots the middle finger. And everyone who will vote yes should probably terminate his/her a.net membership now

I absolutely agree with you, Sandro. This "Initiative" is ridiculous and dangerous. In the majority these are people who came to live in the last few years close to the airport because they got a good job, thanks to the airport and a nice apartment. And "suddenly" they noticed that there is some noise. Therefore vote "NO"!

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: AGRflyer
Posted 2009-09-01 08:42:26 and read 13910 times.

I will vote ¨"NO" for sure. It is a no brainer for me.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2009-09-01 08:59:17 and read 13919 times.



Quoting ZRH (Reply 171):
n the majority these are people who came to live in the last few years close to the airport because they got a good job, thanks to the airport and a nice apartment

And/or cheap rents, not wondering why exactly they are cheaper than someplace else.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-09-03 12:55:28 and read 13656 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 170):

I ask everyone to vote NO in september and show these pathetic Anti-Airport idiots the middle finger. And everyone who will vote yes should probably terminate his/her a.net membership now Wink

For sure we will vote No....Making a fool out of our country by negotiating with terrorists like Gadafi and coming up with non sense anti airport innitiatives unfortunately only happens in Switzerland....Sad that I need to say that as a Swiss but unfortunately true.

On another note, it looks like LX will fly again daily to BKK as of the Wintertimetable.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Knightsofmalta
Posted 2009-09-05 08:14:49 and read 13466 times.

Just to start the A. 330-300 seat debate again: I am currently in Oman, I flew with LX on the new A. 330-300 in First Class. Seeing as my travel companion and I were the only two in First, the flight was really cosy with a ratio of one flight attendant per passenger. The food was excellent, the service was impecable and simply amazing. SQ and EK could certainly learn a thing or two from LX's flight attendants.

BUT the new seat is no really that great. First of all there is no more a passage from left to right at the front of the cabin. As a result you have to go either via the First or the Business galleys to get to the other side, which is a bit of a problem during the meal service. This also means that if you have a seat on the right side of the plane to get to the loo you have to go through the galley as well.

I also see now what the problem is with the new seat. The wall on which the screen is mounted in the front aisle row protrudes into the aisle quite a bit. The FAs keep the curtain to the galley closed so that you do not have to watch them working. However, whenever the crew come out of the galley into the cabin with a trolley they kept on going straight ahead and bumped the trolley into the aisle seat. If I had been on that seat I certainly would not have enjoyed the flight.

Great experience but I think I prefer the A. 340 seat.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-09-05 11:26:18 and read 13457 times.



Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 175):

BUT the new seat is no really that great. First of all there is no more a passage from left to right at the front of the cabin. As a result you have to go either via the First or the Business galleys to get to the other side, which is a bit of a problem during the meal service. This also means that if you have a seat on the right side of the plane to get to the loo you have to go through the galley as well.

I also see now what the problem is with the new seat. The wall on which the screen is mounted in the front aisle row protrudes into the aisle quite a bit. The FAs keep the curtain to the galley closed so that you do not have to watch them working. However, whenever the crew come out of the galley into the cabin with a trolley they kept on going straight ahead and bumped the trolley into the aisle seat. If I had been on that seat I certainly would not have enjoyed the flight.

Great experience but I think I prefer the A. 340 seat.

Nothing is perfect in life  Smile

I was flying in C on the A333 but I did notice that there really isn't any seperation between the cabin and the Galley in F unlike in the A343's. I am wondering why LX couldn't choose a simmilar layout for the galleys as on the A343's. Due to the longer C Galley which uses ligher materials etc, the space in the front cabin became more limited. Space wise the current A343 F Class is very good however I could imagine the A333 seat to be more comfortable due to the massage function and the seat cushiion system. As to me it seemed that the A333 C Class seat is at least as comfortable in sleeping poition as the A343 F seat except that the Duvet was missing  Smile

Now again my question has LX decided to postpone to upgrade the A343 C Class, wasnt HB-JMC scheduled to be in heavy maintenance already at the end of August?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Vegas005
Posted 2009-09-05 12:46:03 and read 13421 times.



Quoting ZRH" class=quote target=_blank>ZRH (Reply 171):

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 170):
On a sidenote: There is another pathetic Anti-Fluglärm Initiative called "Fairflug-Initiative" which asks for an equal distribution of aircraft noise all around the ZRH. This will just further hamper ZRH's ability to run an efficient operation (already today, a lot of approaches at ZRH are being flown with tailwinds - compromising safety - and a lot of holdings are being flown in peak times - burning tons of fuel unnecessarily - just because of noise-abatement procedures. These are just two issues of many), and will make it even more difficult for ZRH to grow in the future.

I ask everyone to vote NO in september and show these pathetic Anti-Airport idiots the middle finger. And everyone who will vote yes should probably terminate his/her a.net membership now

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the vote was more about getting the people in the south to take their fair share of flights..which they certainly do not. The north and east get hammered with noise right now. Not that I care as I happen to love the sound and the sights ....

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2009-09-05 14:35:23 and read 13392 times.



Quoting Vegas005 (Reply 177):

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the vote was more about getting the people in the south to take their fair share of flights..which they certainly do not. The north and east get hammered with noise right now. Not that I care as I happen to love the sound and the sights

The Initiative is about distributing all traffic equally, which would certainly mean more noise for the south. It's really not the distribution of noise which i oppose, but the fact that the whole goal of the Initiative is to further restrict ZRH's ability to run a smooth operation and to keep growing.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2009-09-05 16:10:09 and read 13362 times.

A couple of LX timetable adjustements, I hope this ain't old news:

ZRH-BKK goes daily eff 27OCT A343

ZRH-JFK goes to 13 x weekly eff 01DEC A332/A333/A343

GVA-JFK goes daily eff 02DEC A332

ZRH-BOS goes daily eff 03DEC A343

All these are frequencies that have previously been cut.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-09-06 12:23:39 and read 13196 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 179):
ZRH-BKK goes daily eff 27OCT A343

ZRH-JFK goes to 13 x weekly eff 01DEC A332/A333/A343

GVA-JFK goes daily eff 02DEC A332

ZRH-BOS goes daily eff 03DEC A343

I would assume LX will have 14 / 15 A343's again flying by December the 15th will be out of service due to Heavy maintenance? This is a first good sign hopefully LX will be able to continue it's growth again, at least by summer timetable to offer again the same amount of frequencies to it's current destinations as on it's bpeak last wintertimetable.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2009-09-07 14:40:14 and read 13033 times.

Actually, LX is evaluating two VERY exotic destinations as we speak, on the request of a tour operator. But the negotiations/evaluation are/is still in an early stage, so I'm not gonna say more than that.

On the other hand, Hohmeister has publicly stated that SFO is on top of LX's wishlist, aswell as another destination in the middle east (AUH?), and destinations in western Africa. However, obviously, these growth plans have been postponed due to the downturn, but will be taken up again as soon as the economy will pick up. In fact, LX wants to use the rise in passenger traffic to launch new routes, in order to run these new routes at full capacity once the economy will be at its peak again.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Sr176
Posted 2009-09-07 23:02:52 and read 12954 times.

But those two exotic destination you mention, would be charter flights, maybe once a week?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2009-09-08 02:01:32 and read 12894 times.

Talking about charter operations: Does LX still plan to operate some flights for Edelweiss with their own A332 during the winter season? I heard about that rumour some months ago, i think it would be 2x weekly flights to the EDW longhaul destinations.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: HECA
Posted 2009-09-08 04:23:36 and read 12845 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 181):
On the other hand, Hohmeister has publicly stated that SFO is on top of LX's wishlist, aswell as another destination in the middle east (AUH?), and destinations in western Africa.

A couple of years ago LX closed AUH since it is so close to DXB (150 km drive). Perhaps BEY?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Dtswi
Posted 2009-09-08 05:16:39 and read 12821 times.

Hey dear Swiss avation friends,

just wanted to inform you that I posted my 1st trip on airliners - comparison in business class between LX, LH & TP on a flight Lis-Txl
with nice pics of Zrh, meals etc.

check on the trip report section

cheers,
D.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2009-09-08 06:18:35 and read 12788 times.



Quoting Sr176 (Reply 182):
But those two exotic destination you mention, would be charter flights, maybe once a week?

Exactly, "scheduled" charter flights. The deal is far from becoming reality though, a lot of security and OPS issues need to be looked into and resolved first.

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 183):
Does LX still plan to operate some flights for Edelweiss with their own A332 during the winter season? I heard about that rumour some months ago, i think it would be 2x weekly flights to the EDW longhaul destinations

Yes. 1 x weekly to MLE and 1 x weekly to MBA (via NBO), if i recall correctly.

Quoting HECA (Reply 184):
A couple of years ago LX closed AUH since it is so close to DXB (150 km drive). Perhaps BEY?

Hmm that would certainly be interesting, but me thinks that BEY would be served with A32X as an overnight split flight (just as LH does), and not with longhaul equipment.

I think I heard AUH mentioned somewhere, but can't recall where. What other possibillities would there be? DOH? BAH? KWI? Or something in Pakistan?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Helvknight
Posted 2009-09-08 06:29:24 and read 12782 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 178):
The Initiative is about distributing all traffic equally, which would certainly mean more noise for the south. It's really not the distribution of noise which i oppose, but the fact that the whole goal of the Initiative is to further restrict ZRH's ability to run a smooth operation and to keep growing.

But what is the point of such an initiative? I'm assuming it is a ZH Kanton initiative (I've heard nothing about it here in AG) but avaiation is regulated by the Bund.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: ZRH
Posted 2009-09-08 08:16:22 and read 12708 times.



Quoting Helvknight (Reply 187):
But what is the point of such an initiative? I'm assuming it is a ZH Kanton initiative (I've heard nothing about it here in AG) but avaiation is regulated by the Bund.

Actually you are right. All these "initiative" in the Canton regarding aviation are nonsense because in the end its the Federation (Bund) which decides..

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2009-09-08 08:58:22 and read 12692 times.

What do you guys think about THR as a new Swiss destination? Is there enough O&D demand to justify such a route?

I think that BEY would be a very nice addition to LX's network. In Africa it would be good to have flights to Algiers and maybe another West African destination.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-09-08 12:51:23 and read 12624 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 181):

On the other hand, Hohmeister has publicly stated that SFO is on top of LX's wishlist, aswell as another destination in the middle east (AUH?), and destinations in western Africa. However, obviously, these growth plans have been postponed due to the downturn, but will be taken up again as soon as the economy will pick up. In fact, LX wants to use the rise in passenger traffic to launch new routes, in order to run these new routes at full capacity once the economy will be at its peak again.

With those plans I guess LX will still receive 11 A333's by 2011 and not 9?

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 186):
I think I heard AUH mentioned somewhere, but can't recall where. What other possibillities would there be? DOH? BAH? KWI? Or something in Pakistan?

We might see a 3rd destination in India or possibly Osaka a destination once served by SR?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2009-09-08 15:18:49 and read 12570 times.



Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 189):
What do you guys think about THR as a new Swiss destination? Is there enough O&D demand to justify such a route?

Possibly yes, but I think our security departement wouldn't allow this. Among many other security problems, just think of flying into todays Iran with a cross on the tail. Even in Saudi Arabia they're still having problems with this. And Aeropers wouldn't be happy with it either.

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 190):

With those plans I guess LX will still receive 11 A333's by 2011 and not 9?

That's the plan.

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 190):
Osaka a destination once served by SR?

KIX is hardly in the middle east, at least in my books  Wink

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: CX288
Posted 2009-09-08 18:41:57 and read 12536 times.



Quoting LXA340 (Reply 190):
We might see a 3rd destination in India or possibly Osaka a destination once served by SR?

SEL was once served by SR as well, and nowadays ICN is a Star hub thanks to Asiana.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Sr176
Posted 2009-09-09 01:38:55 and read 12474 times.

What is the problem in flying into THR ? LH600 out of FRA is always packed. Even during the protests in Tehran recently my company did not interrupt travel to Iran.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: HECA
Posted 2009-09-09 04:16:15 and read 12425 times.



Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 189):
What do you guys think about THR as a new Swiss destination? Is there enough O&D demand to justify such a route?

SR and later on LX served THR (with the MD11!) but axed the route during the restructuring of the network a couple of years ago. As I recall, many transfer passengers from North America were taking these flights.

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 191):
Possibly yes, but I think our security departement wouldn't allow this. Among many other security problems, just think of flying into todays Iran with a cross on the tail. Even in Saudi Arabia they're still having problems with this. And Aeropers wouldn't be happy with it either.

KLM has a (small) cross in their crown and still operates flights into both Iran and Saudi Arabia. I do hope that such fulish sentiments will not prohibit LX from entering promissing & profitable new routes.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2009-09-09 05:19:39 and read 12397 times.

Well if LX can operate flights to Saudi Arabia with the cross in its livery then Teheran shouldn't be a problem.

I do wonder though if LX will expand at all to Asia as LH might want to fill its flights to FRA/MUC first before having another route to destinations in India, Pakistan or China. Thus I think it's most possible that we'll see further expansion to Africa before any expansion to Asia as LH's network to Africa bears much more potential routes than to Asia.

Anyways, certainly glad to see that LX is already thinking about new destinations again. The recommencement of daily flights to most destinations is a good sign too.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Sr176
Posted 2009-09-09 05:37:26 and read 12388 times.

I remember that not too long ago Harry Hohmeister mentioned SFO, PEK, AUH and Africa as potential candidates for new destinations.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Knightsofmalta
Posted 2009-09-09 07:34:43 and read 12359 times.

I doubt if LX will expand in Africa any time soon, not with Brussels Airlines joining the STAR Alliance.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: FLYYUL
Posted 2009-09-09 07:48:21 and read 12348 times.

Im surprised Swiss doesnt build up Geneva a bit more. Especially when we consider the progress FlyBaboo has made.

One would think Swiss would link Geneva to Italy (Rome), Paris, North Africa .. especially to feed to the T-ATL flights.

Its such a rich market, they are going to lose out in GVA if they keep having a ZRH only type mentality.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2009-09-09 08:07:56 and read 12345 times.



Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 197):
I doubt if LX will expand in Africa any time soon, not with Brussels Airlines joining the STAR Alliance.

HH specifically mentioned Africa in his latest letter to the employees. I don't think SN joining *A has any impact on LX's potential expansion plans in Africa. SN doesn't have any longhaul connections to feed such routes, which is what LX would be aiming for, and LX feeding SN flights to Africa just isn't convenient enough, i mean who'd fly JFK-ZRH-BRU-EBB if you can do it one-stop?

Or are you suggesting that HH just tells us his wishes rather than reality?  Yeah sure

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: ZRH
Posted 2009-09-09 08:16:07 and read 12346 times.



Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 198):
Im surprised Swiss doesnt build up Geneva a bit more. Especially when we consider the progress FlyBaboo has made.

This is absolutely unrealistic. SWISS as a medium sized airline can not sustain more than one hub. Even bigger airlines, like AF for example, do only have on hub. European point to point routes are not SWISS's business, this is for the LCCs and smaller airlines without long-haul flights. With the European network SWISS has mainly to feed their long-haul flights.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Flyyul
Posted 2009-09-09 08:28:59 and read 12465 times.



Quoting ZRH" class=quote target=_blank>ZRH (Reply 200):
This is absolutely unrealistic. SWISS as a medium sized airline can not sustain more than one hub. Even bigger airlines, like AF for example, do only have on hub. European point to point routes are not SWISS's business, this is for the LCCs and smaller airlines without long-haul flights. With the European network SWISS has mainly to feed their long-haul flights.

We are talking about having more presence in GVA, not a full fledged hub. Not sure if your watching, but LX has been marginalized in GVA. Airlines are stealing traffic from their backyard, and I assume that ZRH has long been dependent on high-yield traffic from GVA to help sustain service. 3 Airlines alone have added T-ATL service to GVA within 5 years.

Swiss is already flying BCN/ATH/DME/OTP etc from GVA, I was wondering why not CDG/FCO/ALG/TLV etc

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2009-09-09 08:33:31 and read 12459 times.



Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 198):
One would think Swiss would link Geneva to Italy (Rome), Paris, North Africa .. especially to feed to the T-ATL flights.

Why would they want resume flights just to feed one trans atlantic flight?

LX made a decision years ago to dehub GVA. This will not change all of sudden just because Baboo has moved into these routes. By the way, I think Baboo has yet to announce that its operations out of GVA are profitable. But I think LX is aware of the importance of the market in GVA and iirc Hohmeister made a comment that LX is evaluating new routes out of GVA because the Geneva market contains some of LX's biggest company customers (such as Nestle).

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Knightsofmalta
Posted 2009-09-09 08:40:29 and read 12453 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 199):
HH specifically mentioned Africa in his latest letter to the employees.

So? Harry Hohmeister was already talking about starting AUH and SFO three years ago. And when LX started PVG it was touted as the next SWISS success story. Fast forward to 2009 and AUH and SFO still have not joined the network and LX is still having trouble filling the front end of the aircraft to PVG.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Flyyul
Posted 2009-09-09 08:40:50 and read 12448 times.



Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 202):
Why would they want resume flights just to feed one trans atlantic flight?

That's not the intention. But T-ATL cnx minimizes the risk for LX to expand their local presence.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2009-09-09 11:24:58 and read 12385 times.



Quoting Flyyul (Reply 201):
Swiss is already flying BCN/ATH/DME/OTP etc from GVA, I was wondering why not CDG/FCO/ALG/TLV etc

It would weaken their ZRH hub as the aircraft for the additional GVA flights would have to come from ZRH, meaning reduced ZRH frequencies and fewer connections. And to Rome and Paris there is too much low-cost carrier competition, meaning very low fares if LX was to try to compete.

To CDG it makes more sense to codeshare on AF's dozen or so daily flights which they've been doing since LX dropped their own flights a few years ago. To reinstate their own flights to CDG they would have to offer similar frequency to AF and that would mean huge overcapacity. Nothing has changed since LX dropped GVA-CDG that would make those flights profitable now.

Also, many GVA-CDG passengers (about 40% of the O&D market I believe, and growing) now use the TGV (around 7 daily now) which will be about 20 minutes faster by next year, and they often have low special fares (currently as low as CHF33 one way). On GVA-TLV LX codeshares on LY.

I can't see ALG as a profitable market for LX. That's mostly low-yield VFR and even AH can only justify 3 flights a week GVA-ALG.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Knightsofmalta
Posted 2009-09-09 12:24:59 and read 12382 times.

Does anybody know if LX is about to start BLQ some time soon? I'm asking because there's a promotion on the SWISS homepage for a flight to BLQ with LX for CHF199, I think 21st to 26th October, but the flight only seems to operate on those specific dates. Flight numbers are LX2730 on the outbound and LX2736 on the inbound.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-09-09 12:41:33 and read 12379 times.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 191):
KIX is hardly in the middle east, at least in my books Wink

lol...true. Nevertheless maybe really worth a consideration for LX?

I am still asking myself if SFO will do well, I guess as LX is in Star Alliance and United having a hub there the potential for the success is rather high, however for SR the route was I think a catastrophy yield wise if I remember correctly?

Another thing please LX start upgrading the A343's with the new C Class, what's happening there, so far nothing!!!  Wink

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2009-09-09 13:57:51 and read 12345 times.



Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 203):
So? Harry Hohmeister was already talking about starting AUH and SFO three years ago. And when LX started PVG it was touted as the next SWISS success story. Fast forward to 2009 and AUH and SFO still have not joined the network and LX is still having trouble filling the front end of the aircraft to PVG.

Whatever, time will tell, and i'll remember your words. Have I ever said that PVG would be a success? I have actually said quite the opposite.

Why do you think you always know better than everybody else?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2009-09-09 16:34:43 and read 12293 times.

I just read that LX will add a fourth daily flight on the ZRH-TXL route with A320.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2009-09-09 18:42:04 and read 12274 times.



Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 209):
I just read that LX will add a fourth daily flight on the ZRH-TXL route with A320.

LX already has 5 daily flights ZRH-TXL.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2009-09-10 01:38:48 and read 12215 times.



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 210):
LX already has 5 daily flights ZRH-TXL.

Sorry my mistake, they will add a sixth flight with timing like this:

LX 976 ZRH-TXL 8:50 - 10:15

LX 977 TXL-ZRH 10:45 - 12:15

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-09-11 10:10:47 and read 11917 times.



Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 211):

Sorry my mistake, they will add a sixth flight with timing like this:

LX 976 ZRH-TXL 8:50 - 10:15

LX 977 TXL-ZRH 10:45 - 12:15

30 Mins turnaround time are a bit tight if flights are operated with A32S considering arrival delays etc

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2009-09-11 11:54:31 and read 11849 times.

Yeah but flight time ZRH-TXL isn't really 1:25 or 1:30 either. I think that is actually good scheduling by LX, way to maximize aircraft utilization.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-09-12 07:04:54 and read 11682 times.

I have noticed that LX is trying to utilize it's A332's at a minimum. For instance HB-IQH didn't fly since the 31.08. Over the past week at least 2 out of the 7 A332's were not used on a daily basis. Of course it's a advantage for passengers as JFK was mostly operated lately with A343 / A333 from ZRH. However I can't understand why LX doesn't operate TLV daily 2 x with long haul equipemnt as the planes are obviously available. Altough the Business Class in the A332 is really bad it's much better for a 4 hour flight than sitting in an economy Class seat of an A32S not forgeting that a C Class ticket from ZRH to TLV round trip costs at least around CHF 3'000. Currently all day flights are used by a mix of A332/A343 however on most days the night flight is operated by A32S.

We have got now mid september and LX still hasn't started the refit of the C Class on the A343's. What's the issue now again?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-09-15 12:47:14 and read 11318 times.

SWISS has canceleld this afternoon it's LX1805 service Airbus A321 (HB-IOK) from IST to ZRH due to technical reasons. The 190 Passengers were first kept almost 4 hours in the aircraft and until now they still didn't receive any hotel accomadation, food vouchers or any information regarding a new scheduled departures etc. I have 2 friends on the flight and they reported me this info. And this is really not SWISS style service!!!

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: HBJZA
Posted 2009-09-17 03:11:14 and read 11094 times.

Baboo F7 has announced it's winter schedule. Adding 3 new destinations from GVA.
London City LCY 11 times weekly, MXP 12 times weekly and MRS 12 times weekly. For both MXP and MRS, they will be once a day direct from GVA and the other flight will be via MXP and via MRS. Which also links MXP to MRS daily.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Dens
Posted 2009-09-17 07:30:51 and read 11014 times.



Quoting HBJZA (Reply 216):
Baboo F7 has announced it's winter schedule. Adding 3 new destinations from GVA.
London City LCY 11 times weekly, MXP 12 times weekly and MRS 12 times weekly. For both MXP and MRS, they will be once a day direct from GVA and the other flight will be via MXP and via MRS. Which also links MXP to MRS daily.

I don't really understand Baboo strategy... Maybe I'm wrong (and I hope to be wrong), but I don't think the new routes will last long.

LCY : Swiss flies to LCY up to 7 times a day and is making good business. BA and AF tried to compete but failed and stopped the route some months after the start.

MRS : This was an old Crossair route, Twinjet failed to make it profitable and Baboo already tried. Altough the timetable now is far better, I don't see a lot of potential.

MXP : This route was operated by Alitalia with a lot of connecting traffic. After AZ reduced the number of flights out of MXP, they closed the route to GVA. Milan is reachable easily from GVA by train (altough the Cisalpino is not very reliable) in around 4 hours. Why someone would go by plane especially if there is a stop in Marseille on the way. (1 flight is direct, the other is with one stop).

I also don't see a lot of potential between MRS and MXP. This route is already operated 3 times a day by Twinjet.

As I said, I hope to be wrong but Baboo announced many routes that didn't last long (ZRH, BEG, PRG) or even didn't start (LED, KBP, BIO).

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: HBJZA
Posted 2009-09-17 08:02:02 and read 10995 times.



Quoting Dens (Reply 217):
I don't really understand Baboo strategy... Maybe I'm wrong (and I hope to be wrong), but I don't think the new routes will last long.

I also really hope that you're wrong and that all these new routes will be a success.
I just forgot to mention above that all routes to France and LCY are codeshared with AF and that the LCY route gives connection with cityjet to DUB, EDI and DND.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: AntonovA330
Posted 2009-09-17 20:26:42 and read 10873 times.

There's a (few days old) news concerning the A333 cabin (taken from NEW: Swiss International Airlines (Switzerland)">LX website):

"NEW SWISS CABIN PRODUCT A HIT WITH CUSTOMERS

SWISS travellers are delighted with the new cabin product on the airline’s new Airbus A330-300 long-haul twinjets, the company’s latest customer survey reveals. Guest satisfaction saw a tangible increase in all three seating classes. SWISS continues to pursue the investments planned in its customer service product, despite the present economic difficulties; and, in doing so, the company is further strengthening its overall market position.

The innovative cabin product featured on SWISS’s new Airbus A330-300s scored top marks in the carrier’s latest customer survey in all three seating classes. SWISS Economy respondents were especially pleased with the new seat’s ergonomic credentials and the state-of-the-art inflight entertainment system, with its vast range of recent cinema releases, over 40 TV programmes and more than 300 music CDs.

SWISS Business travellers also appreciate the inflight entertainment system, but had particular praise for the Business Class cabin’s innovative seating concept, which gives eight out of every nine seats direct access to an aisle. They also like the pneumatic seat cushions developed by Swiss manufacturer Lantal, which allow the firmness of each seat to be individually set.

The unique air cushion is a feature of the SWISS First cabin product, too, which also boasts individually-adjustable sidewalls for optimum seating privacy. Unsurprisingly, this “suite above the clouds” also earned excellent marks from the First Class customers polled.

“Our innovative cabin product is a genuine hit with our customers,” says Markus Binkert, Head of Product & Services at SWISS. “The investments we have made and continue to make, even in these tough business times, are further consolidating our position as a top-quality airline.”

SWISS customers can currently enjoy the comfort and conveniences of the new Airbus A330-300 cabin product on the Zurich-New York (JFK) and the Zurich-Dubai-Muscat routes. Zurich-Mumbai services were also switched to A330-300 operation at the beginning of September, and the Zurich-Delhi route will follow suit in mid-October.

The new SWISS Business Seat is also being installed aboard the Airbus A340, the biggest aircraft in the SWISS fleet. The first A340s will be retrofitted with the new seats at the end of this year. “We’re delighted that once our current re-equipment is completed in 2011, we’ll be able to offer all our guests in Business Class a consistent top-quality product throughout our long-haul network,” Binkert concludes."

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LIPZ
Posted 2009-09-18 01:36:51 and read 10799 times.

Looks like easyJet will suspend its Basel-Rome Ciampino route next month (25 Oct).

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-09-18 12:58:53 and read 10656 times.



Quoting LXA340 (Reply 215):
SWISS has canceleld this afternoon it's LX1805 service Airbus A321 (HB-IOK) from IST to ZRH due to technical reasons. The 190 Passengers were first kept almost 4 hours in the aircraft and until now they still didn't receive any hotel accomadation, food vouchers or any information regarding a new scheduled departures etc. I have 2 friends on the flight and they reported me this info. And this is really not SWISS style service!!!

Just to clarify my previous post. Aproximately 6 hours after scheduled departure time passengers were given hotel accomadation to good 4 / 5 Star hotels and got rebooked on flights for the next day. Nevertheless the communication was very bad, and in situations like this communication is the most important and obivously passengers get more and more frustrated if they don't get informed as they don't know what will happen. I guess one issue is also that IST as with many dstinations in foreign countries is outsourced to a local ground handler.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: ZRH
Posted 2009-09-20 02:20:47 and read 10446 times.

SWISS buys the brand "Swissair". But at the moment they don't want to use it, only prevent that others are able to fly under this formerly famous brand.
In German:
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/wirtscha...wiss-kauft-Swissair/story/31437367

[Edited 2009-09-20 02:21:25]

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: RJ100
Posted 2009-09-20 04:42:59 and read 10364 times.



Quoting LIPZ (Reply 220):
Looks like easyJet will suspend its Basel-Rome Ciampino route next month (25 Oct).

That happens if you load a schedule that needs 5 aircraft but only have 4 aircraft available. Other rumour for the moment is that the flights will be loaded again- but switching to Fiumicino.

Israir is now confirmed with the following schedule:

TLV-BSL arr. 9:40 ISR395
BSL-TLV dep. 11:10 ISR 396

Starting 25.10.2009 every Thursday and Sunday, A-320.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Saab2000
Posted 2009-09-20 04:47:41 and read 10356 times.



Quoting ZRH (Reply 222):
SWISS buys the brand "Swissair". But at the moment they don't want to use it, only prevent that others are able to fly under this formerly famous brand.

I wonder why it took so long for someone to buy this!

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: ZRH
Posted 2009-09-20 05:54:12 and read 10311 times.



Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 224):
I wonder why it took so long for someone to buy this!

It is said in the article. First the executor of Swissair wanted to have CHF 500mi which of course was way too much. Now SWISS has only to renounce a certain amount out of the bankruptcy which is about CHF 10mi.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: RJ100
Posted 2009-09-21 01:29:01 and read 10108 times.



Quoting LIPZ (Reply 220):
Looks like easyJet will suspend its Basel-Rome Ciampino route next month (25 Oct).

The flights are back in the system. Still to Ciampino though. Seems like easyJet still works on the final schedule.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: LXA340
Posted 2009-09-21 12:08:45 and read 9918 times.



Quoting ZRH (Reply 222):
SWISS buys the brand "Swissair". But at the moment they don't want to use it, only prevent that others are able to fly under this formerly famous brand.

I think SWISS should stay with the "Swiss International Air Lines" brand as people start to get used to it and another switch might be a bit confusing. However possibly SWISS could change it's code from LX back to SR?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: Knightsofmalta
Posted 2009-09-21 12:33:02 and read 9896 times.

I don't think they should change to Swissair either after all the effort and money that was put into branding SWISS. However perhaps now they could finally drop the 'international' and simply be 'Swiss Air Lines'. I think that has a certain ring to it...

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2009-09-21 19:07:22 and read 9800 times.



Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 228):
I don't think they should change to Swissair either after all the effort and money that was put into branding SWISS. However perhaps now they could finally drop the 'international' and simply be 'Swiss Air Lines'. I think that has a certain ring to it

I couldn't agree more, but I fear that's not going to happen anytime soon  grumpy 

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: ZRH
Posted 2009-09-22 03:28:29 and read 9699 times.

In many countries for a lot of people it doesn't matter if "SWISS" or "Swissair" as they even don't know the difference. I like the idea to omit the "international" and change the code back to SR. I never liked the "LX". The ICAO code is still SWR.

[Edited 2009-09-22 03:29:24]

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: ZRH
Posted 2009-09-22 04:31:28 and read 9665 times.

Helvetic Airways and SWISS prolonged their contract that three of the four Helvetic aircrafts fly for SWISS till spring 2014.
I found this in the printed copy of the "Neue Zürcher Zeitung" (September 22nd 2009, p 24):

Quote:
Helvetic Airways fliegt weiter für Swiss. Die Fluggesellschaften Swiss und Helvetic Airways haben einen langfristigen Zusammenarbeitsvertrag abgeschlossen und damit die seit 2006 bestehende Kooperation verlängert. Festgelegt worden sind die Konditionen, unter denen Helvetic Airways drei Flugzeuge einschliesslich Besatzung zugunsten von Swiss bis im Frühjahr 2014 einsetzen wird. (ap)

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: AntonovA330
Posted 2009-09-22 05:03:47 and read 9645 times.



Quoting ZRH (Reply 231):
Helvetic Airways and SWISS prolonged their contract that three of the four Helvetic aircrafts fly for SWISS till spring 2014.
I found this in the printed copy of the "Neue Zürcher Zeitung" (September 22nd 2009, p 24):

Quote:
Helvetic Airways fliegt weiter für Swiss. Die Fluggesellschaften Swiss und Helvetic Airways haben einen langfristigen Zusammenarbeitsvertrag abgeschlossen und damit die seit 2006 bestehende Kooperation verlängert. Festgelegt worden sind die Konditionen, unter denen Helvetic Airways drei Flugzeuge einschliesslich Besatzung zugunsten von Swiss bis im Frühjahr 2014 einsetzen wird. (ap)

Hmm... is this "good" or "bad"? For 2L its a good thing for sure.. What do you guys think of this?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #21
Username: DALCE
Posted 2009-09-22 05:11:25 and read 9646 times.

Please continue the discussions in the new Swiss Aviation Thread # 22

It can be found here :

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4556902/

Rgds,
Joost (D-ALCE)


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