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Topic: Jat Airways Runway Overrun At LTBA
Username: JoeKuboj
Posted 2009-10-04 06:07:37 and read 8429 times.

Only in Turkish and Serbian atm.. http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/12617387.asp?gid=229

pics: http://fotogaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/galeridetay.aspx?cid=26918&p=4&rid=2

http://www.rts.rs/page/stories/sr/st...vion+skliznuo+sa+piste+u+Istanbulu

Topic: RE: Jat Airways Runway Overrun At Ltba
Username: FatmirJusufi
Posted 2009-10-04 07:04:51 and read 8322 times.

Source in English
http://bit.ly/3ypI5g

Topic: RE: Jat Airways Runway Overrun At Ltba
Username: IliriBDL
Posted 2009-10-04 07:30:32 and read 8235 times.

Glad no one was hurt.

Topic: RE: Jat Airways Runway Overrun At Ltba
Username: OA260
Posted 2009-10-04 07:54:54 and read 8173 times.

Thank god it wasnt worse. JAT having a run of bad luck the last week. Gotta love the pic of the pilot coming off with what looks like a bag of Duty Free.  Smile

Topic: RE: Jat Airways Runway Overrun At Ltba
Username: NA
Posted 2009-10-04 08:03:11 and read 8136 times.

Like all JAT 737s this aircraft is older than 21 years. This oldie is certainly in the twilight of its career, even if the damage seems to be very minor.

Topic: RE: Jat Airways Runway Overrun At Ltba
Username: Enginebird
Posted 2009-10-04 08:04:41 and read 8120 times.



Quoting OA260 (Reply 3):
Gotta love the pic of the pilot coming off with what looks like a bag of Duty Free.

Two silver stripes, probably not the pilot, right? Rather one of the flight attendants.

Bad luck for troubled JAT.

Topic: RE: Jat Airways Runway Overrun At Ltba
Username: FatmirJusufi
Posted 2009-10-04 08:14:30 and read 8077 times.

Quoting Enginebird (Reply 7):
Two silver stripes, probably not the pilot, right? Rather one of the flight attendants.

He must be F/O. It depends in some airlines F/O to have two silver stripes.

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Topic: RE: Jat Airways Runway Overrun At Ltba
Username: Gosheto
Posted 2009-10-04 08:40:18 and read 8007 times.

I am surprised I didn't see a thread here last week when they had to ground all flights due to the strike at JAT Technika. Could it be a factor to this mishap -- stress on pilots or something like this?

Topic: RE: Jat Airways Runway Overrun At Ltba
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2009-10-04 09:18:56 and read 7884 times.

Here are some more photos
http://www.airporthaber.com/v3/readnews.php?newid=17830

Quoting Gosheto (Reply 9):
I am surprised I didn't see a thread here last week when they had to ground all flights due to the strike at JAT Technika.

Search and you would find;
JAT Airplanes Don’t Fly (by Kiqaboy Sep 29 2009 in Civil Aviation)

Topic: RE: Jat Airways Runway Overrun At Ltba
Username: YAK42
Posted 2009-10-04 09:43:08 and read 7815 times.

Could this be a simmilar cause to the Aria Afghan A300 write off at IST a few years ago? Is it the same place that the aircraft overran?

Topic: RE: Jat Airways Runway Overrun At Ltba
Username: Vlada
Posted 2009-10-04 10:12:39 and read 7735 times.



Quoting YAK42 (Reply 11):

Yes, it is the same place

Topic: RE: Jat Airways Runway Overrun At Ltba
Username: FatmirJusufi
Posted 2009-10-04 10:23:16 and read 7710 times.



Quoting YAK42 (Reply 11):
Could this be a simmilar cause to the Aria Afghan A300 write off at IST a few years ago? Is it the same place that the aircraft overran?

http://bit.ly/48BAC7

And yeah it's the same RWY 06/24!

Topic: RE: Jat Airways Runway Overrun At Ltba
Username: B777LRF
Posted 2009-10-04 10:34:05 and read 7685 times.

That particular runway has a long and sad history of overruns, which are more likely to happen when the runway is wet. The layer of used Dunlops deposited on the tarmac is staggering, and you probably all know about the reduced friction of wet rubber. The overrun areas are also more than just a bit dodgy, with steep inclines and multi-laned public roads just outside the perimeter fence. Check googlemap and see how close the runway ends are to public roads - and that's on all sides. Add the steep inclines, and it's fairly obvious some extra precautions might be in order - this is hardly a minor regional airport!

We're instructed not to accept landing clearances to that runway if it's wet. Problem for IST is that 06/24 is the preferred runway for landing since it allows simultaneous take-off operation from one of the parallels.

Unless that runway is closed and re-surfaced, this is going to keep on happening - and such action will only be taken if more airlines refuse to accept 06/24 for landing, even in the dry.

IST should also, gven the steep inclines at the end of all it's runways, be installing arrestor beds if safety was really it's top priority. But, alas, I feat that Tombstone Technology shall once again prevail before anything will be done.

[Edited 2009-10-04 10:34:57]

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Topic: RE: Jat Airways Runway Overrun At Ltba
Username: Stylo777
Posted 2009-10-04 10:51:20 and read 7635 times.



Quoting B777LRF (Reply 14):

this winter they're going to close that runway to extend it. indeed it's very famous for difficult landings in wet conditions .

Topic: RE: Jat Airways Runway Overrun At Ltba
Username: JoKeR
Posted 2009-10-04 10:53:17 and read 7630 times.

JU has had its big share of problems, but let's face it, this can and does happen everywhere and to all airlines.

As B777LRF says in detail above, this runway is a hazard for IST ops in poor weather and has led to similar incidents in the past.

I hope the Turkish CAA acknowledges this as well as all other factors and makes valid recommendations that will help prevent similar incidents in the future.

For now, thank God everyone got our OK and that this did not end in a tragedy.

Topic: RE: Jat Airways Runway Overrun At Ltba
Username: Flyboy_se
Posted 2009-10-04 11:52:04 and read 7512 times.

Poor Jat, not what they need right now.
Glad there were no fatalities.

Topic: RE: Jat Airways Runway Overrun At Ltba
Username: Kaitak
Posted 2009-10-04 12:59:08 and read 7384 times.

Doesn't seem to be any serious damage. Lucky for all concerned; hopefully JAT won't be too hard on the crew when they get back to BEG. (I mean, their home base - not to beg for their jobs!)

Topic: RE: Jat Airways Runway Overrun At Ltba
Username: YAK42
Posted 2009-10-04 13:39:02 and read 7341 times.



Quoting B777LRF (Reply 12):
The overrun areas are also more than just a bit dodgy, with steep inclines and multi-laned public roads just outside the perimeter fence.

I recall the Ariana A300 almost reached the road.

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Topic: RE: Jat Airways Runway Overrun At Ltba
Username: Cuban8
Posted 2009-10-05 03:18:00 and read 4506 times.

Istanbul RWY06 can be tricky sometimes. Still, it amazes me that most of the recent runway overrun has been here. In my opinion, there are several airports in Europe which has more difficult runways to land on.

Off topic: Did the Aviation Authorities in Istanbul ever considered to build a parallel runway to RWY06/24 to ease up the already overloaded airport??

Topic: RE: Jat Airways Runway Overrun At Ltba
Username: JU068
Posted 2009-10-05 03:49:54 and read 4360 times.

Does the insurance cover the repair of the planes or...?

When did the Onur air and Tarom overrun it?

Topic: RE: Jat Airways Runway Overrun At Ltba
Username: TK787
Posted 2009-10-05 03:56:09 and read 4305 times.



Quoting NA (Reply 4):
Like all JAT 737s this aircraft is older than 21 years. This oldie is certainly in the twilight of its career

Hey now, I am about to fly on a NW DC-9-5 tomorrow and the youngest one is over 32 years old.

Topic: RE: Jat Airways Runway Overrun At Ltba
Username: Vlada
Posted 2009-10-05 04:02:43 and read 4279 times.



Quoting JU068 (Reply 19):
When did the Onur air and Tarom overrun it?

Onur occured on February 26th, 2006.

Tarom occured on October 15th, 2008.

Topic: RE: Jat Airways Runway Overrun At Ltba
Username: TKfan
Posted 2009-10-05 07:42:50 and read 3593 times.



Quoting Cuban8 (Reply 18):
Off topic: Did the Aviation Authorities in Istanbul ever considered to build a parallel runway to RWY06/24 to ease up the already overloaded airport??

It is in talks for years now, but the problem is Air Base at the South part. As long as there is no agreement a parallel runway wont happen.
However this Winter rwy 06/24 will be closed and totally renewed and extended by 250 meters.

Topic: RE: Jat Airways Runway Overrun At Ltba
Username: BeakerLTN
Posted 2009-10-05 08:05:27 and read 3563 times.

The first question that came to my mind was 'why isn't anyone using escape slides?'. Did everyone just wait there until the steps turned up???

Topic: RE: Jat Airways Runway Overrun At Ltba
Username: Putnik
Posted 2009-10-05 08:33:46 and read 3522 times.

It was not a really dramatic event after all. Passengers interviewed in Istanbul all seemed relaxed and gave calm answers. I suppose pilots knew what was happening with the plane and that there was no need for dramatic (and costly) deployment of slides and hasty disembarking.

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