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Topic: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-10-27 23:22:30 and read 22202 times.

Thanks JM079 for the title of this thread..
Our focus will be on The Sir Donald Sangster International Airport..






Sir Donald Sangster International Airport (IATA: MBJ, ICAO: MKJS) is an international airport in Montego Bay, Jamaica, and is one of the largest and busiest airports in the Caribbean.It is one of the most ultra-modern airports in the Caribbean capable of handling 9 million passengers yearly; that is three times the size of the Jamaican population Sangster is often referred to as the gateway to the Caribbean. It serves as the most popular airport for tourists visiting the north coast of Jamaica. MBJ is currently the busier of Jamaica's two main airports, the other being Norman Manley International Airport located in the capital city of Kingston.






Over the years, the upgrading process was a continuous one, ultimately the facility had grown into the larger of the two international airports in Jamaica, handling approximately 3.7 million passengers per annum in 2007,and have seen and increase in passenger and aircraft movement since the start of 2008.They are currently seeking to increase the number of passengers from Asia, and are working with Brazil to receive non-stop service from there.

As of 2000, plans have been executed to expand the airport to the status of a world class airport. A new concourse was completed in December 2005 to allow large commercial aircraft such as the Airbus A340, Boeing 747-400 and possibly the Airbus A380. Also a planned expansion of the main runway is currently in the preparation phase, which will, when completed, afford the airport a fully functioning 10,000 ft. runway to accommodate large aircraft traffic. MBJ Airports Limited also commissioned a new customs hall, arrivals lobby and transportation center in March 2007. Since then further expansion and renovation projects such as the relocation of the immigrations hall and duty free mall has been launched and it is expected to be completed by October 2008. When complete the facility will be one of the Caribbean's most modern airports, and will have increased the handling capacity to 9 million passengers per annum






Current list of operators..

Airlines Destinations
Air Berlin Düsseldorf
Air Canada Calgary [seasonal], Halifax [seasonal], Montreal-Trudeau, Ottawa [seasonal], Toronto-Pearson, Vancouver [seasonal], Winnipeg [seasonal]
Air Europa Madrid [seasonal]
Air Jamaica Baltimore, Chicago-O'Hare, Curaçao, Fort Lauderdale, Havana, Kingston, Nassau, New York-JFK, Orlando, Philadelphia
Air Transat Calgary [seasonal], Montreal-Trudeau, Quebec City [seasonal; begins 7 November], Toronto-Pearson, Vancouver [seasonal]
AirTran Airways Atlanta, Baltimore, Orlando [all services begin 11 February][6]
American Airlines Dallas/Fort Worth, Miami, New York,JFK
Arkefly Amsterdam, Punta Cana
Blue Panorama Milan-Malpensa, Rome-Fiumicino [begins 21 December]
British Airways London-Gatwick [resumes 29 October]
CanJet Calgary, Montreal-Trudeau, Ottawa [begins 18 December], Quebec City, Toronto-Pearson, Victoria [begins 20 December]
Cayman Airways Grand Cayman
Condor Flugdienst Frankfurt
Continental Airlines Houston-Intercontinental, Newark
Cubana de Aviación operated by Aerogaviota Havana
Delta Air Lines Atlanta, New York-JFK
Iberworld Madrid
Jetairfly Brussels, Cancún [seasonal]
JetBlue Airways Boston [begins 9 January] [7], New York-JFK, Orlando [begins 10 February]
Livingston Energy Flight Milan-Malpensa
Northwest Airlines Detroit, Memphis, Minneapolis/St. Paul
Orbest Lisbon
Skylan Airways Kingston
Skyservice Calgary, Edmonton [begins 18 December], Montreal-Trudeau [begins 18 December], Ottawa, Saskatoon [begins 27 December], Toronto-Pearson, Vancouver [all seasonal]
Spirit Airlines Fort Lauderdale
Sun Country Airlines Minneapolis/St. Paul [seasonal]
Sunwing Airlines Montreal-Trudeau, Ottawa, Quebec City, Toronto-Pearson
TAME Quito, Guayaquil [seasonal]
Thomas Cook Airlines London-Gatwick, Manchester (UK)
Thomson Airways Birmingham (UK), London-Gatwick, Manchester (UK)
United Airlines Chicago-O'Hare, Washington-Dulles [both seasonal]
US Airways Boston [seasonal], Charlotte, Philadelphia, Phoenix [seasonal; begins 17 December]
USA3000 Airlines Chicago-O'Hare, St. Louis [seasonal]
Virgin Atlantic Airways London-Gatwick
WestJet Ottawa [seasonal; begins 6 November], Toronto-Pearson

The JTB/JamVac Vacations are currently looking at the following carriers for future services to MBJ:
LAN,TAM,Copa, Lufthansa and an unannounced Asian carrier..




In other Avaition News:

A new domestic carrier Jamaica Air Shuttle is launched..

According to Mr Lalor, The Divestment Commitee will submit the Indigo proposal Parliament..

This week, will see the resumption of BA's nonstop service from LGW-MBJ, service will operate twice weekly..B6 will also launch daily services to KIN from JFK..

More news can be found in the link provided..
Port Of Entry/Departure-KIN..Jamaican Thread 19.. (by HummingBird Sep 30 2009 in Civil Aviation)

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A special thanks for those who provided the pics for this thread..

[Edited 2009-10-28 00:07:57]

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-10-28 04:44:35 and read 22173 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Thread starter):
Thanks JM079 for the title of this thread..

Suitable title to kick off our 20th lap.

Quoting HummingBird (Thread starter):
A new concourse was completed in December 2005 to allow large commercial aircraft such as the Airbus A340, Boeing 747-400

Guess they really meant '' to accommodate more'' larger commercial aircraft simultaneously such as the A340 and B744 as both aircraft types have been operating into/out of MBJ prior to 2005.

Quoting HummingBird (Thread starter):
Also a planned expansion of the main runway is currently in the preparation phase, which will, when completed, afford the airport a fully functioning 10,000 ft. runway to accommodate large aircraft traffic.

And the new control tower when constructed will compliment the entire airport complex nicely.

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Air J takes on US$3-m overhaul

'' Air Jamaica was approved some US$6 million ($534 million) in contracts last month for insurance, radar and engine repairs, but the airline says that half of this cost will be reimbursed by GE Capital Aviation Services (GECAS), a leasor of air planes.

The national airline was approved by Government to overhaul two engines costing US$3.2 million. It will use US-based Pratt and Whitney Norway Engine Centre for the three-month repair. In the interim that plane is utilising leased engines. The contract details were published last week by the Contractor General's office. Air Jamaica currently has five engines in routine maintenance and plans to overhaul two more for the year. ''

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/magaz...AIR_J_TAKES_ON_US___M_OVERHAUL.asp


Sell Air Jamaica shares to public

'' I believe a large proportion of Jamaicans, both locally and in the wider diaspora, will want to buy shares in Air Jamaica. Even children at school would be proud to be part-owner of a real Jamaican business. ''

http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20091028/letters/letters4.html

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: LimaMike
Posted 2009-10-28 10:15:35 and read 22124 times.

Great to see a 20th installment of the thread!

On the matter of the proposed runway extension at MBJ, is the extension going to be landwards or seawards?

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-10-28 10:30:42 and read 22115 times.



Quoting LimaMike (Reply 2):
On the matter of the proposed runway extension at MBJ, is the extension going to be landwards or seawards?

From what I had previously viewed on the plan of the pending extension, it is supposed to be landward. But there was some issues with it where proximity to the main road is concerned. I presume they would have to somehow re route a section of the main road to facilitate this.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-10-28 11:40:38 and read 22087 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Thread starter):

According to Mr Lalor, The Divestment Commitee will submit the Indigo proposal Parliament

NOT ANYMORE IF YOU WERE TO FOLLOW THE MEDIA ( I dont)

http://www.radiojamaica.com/content/view/22634/26/


..."The Opposition People's National Party (PNP) is calling for answers from the Bruce Golding administration in the wake of more confusion surrounding the sale of the cash strapped national airline Air Jamaica.

The PNP says it has been reliably informed that the Government has decided to postpone the divestment of the air carrier.

This is the latest in a series of conflicting reports regarding the proposed transfer of Air Jamaica from state control to private ownership.

Speaking in an interview with RJR News, Opposition Spokesman on Finance Dr. Omar Davies disclosed that information had come from a Government insider that Air Jamaica has been taken off the auction block.

Quoting HummingBird (Thread starter):
Current list of operators..

Good to see thread 20 is up and about.

An extensive list there man,

Jamaica or MBJ for that fact can lay claim that to the fact that it is the only city in the English speaking Caribbean that has service from both west and east coast of North Ameerica ( USA and Canada).

Further more the city is about to get an expansion in service from American Airlines, Jetblue and AirTran and that fits greatly into the efforts of the JTB and JAMVAC to expand MBJ airlift capacity due to the growth in the tourism sector. By the end of March there will be over 30,000 rooms in Jamaica.

There is another side to this effort which am sure will be a win / win situation in that the Tourism Enhancement Fund will see some significant increase.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-10-28 14:15:13 and read 22047 times.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 1):
Suitable title to kick off our 20th lap.

I agree..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 1):
Guess they really meant '' to accommodate more'' larger commercial aircraft simultaneously such as the A340 and B744 as both aircraft types have been operating into/out of MBJ prior to 2005.

I heard, the airport was restricted with both aircraft as they could only park at the outer gates 12-14 at peak operating times..Prior to the opening of the new terminal, gates 8-10 could could operate B767s without restrictions, but the wingspan on the A330/A340 meant they were often given outer parking gates..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 1):
'' Air Jamaica was approved some US$6 million ($534 million) in contracts last month for insurance, radar and engine repairs, but the airline says that half of this cost will be reimbursed by GE Capital Aviation Services (GECAS), a leasor of air planes.

Hopefully when the MRO opens at Vernamenfiled, this will significantly reduce JM maintenance costs..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 1):
'' I believe a large proportion of Jamaicans, both locally and in the wider diaspora, will want to buy shares in Air Jamaica. Even children at school would be proud to be part-owner of a real Jamaican business. ''

If they see it as feasible and can generate enough cash to sustain the company, it will have my support...However, I am cautious as I believe we may end up with a company ruled by nepotism..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 3):
From what I had previously viewed on the plan of the pending extension, it is supposed to be landward. But there was some issues with it where proximity to the main road is concerned. I presume they would have to somehow re route a section of the main road to facilitate this.

There has been some issues that has been mentioned since the opening of the RIU resort..Any extension of the current runway will have an adverse effect on the transport network to and from their property..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 4):
NOT ANYMORE IF YOU WERE TO FOLLOW THE MEDIA ( I dont)

Am speechless..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 4):
Jamaica or MBJ for that fact can lay claim that to the fact that it is the only city in the English speaking Caribbean that has service from both west and east coast of North Ameerica ( USA and Canada).

I agree and the network will grow within the next two-three years..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 4):
Further more the city is about to get an expansion in service from American Airlines, Jetblue and AirTran and that fits greatly into the efforts of the JTB and JAMVAC to expand MBJ airlift capacity due to the growth in the tourism sector. By the end of March there will be over 30,000 rooms in Jamaica.

There is another side to this effort which am sure will be a win / win situation in that the Tourism Enhancement Fund will see some significant increase.

Well said!!..

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: Yellowtail
Posted 2009-10-28 14:36:05 and read 22036 times.

I hear rumors on this side of the Caribbean that TA is being "wooed" by JTB for a service SAL-MBJ....

Now if JTB knew that there is eff nov 15th a TA E190 sitting on the tarmac for 9 hours (9am-5pm) in BZE doing nothing in between SAL-BZE-SAL flights....

Seems line a no brainer to me....but should be KIN not MBJ

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: Yankeejuliet
Posted 2009-10-28 15:22:05 and read 22022 times.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 3):

Roadway is now ok, but gas station will have to be relocated.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-10-28 15:57:43 and read 22020 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 4):
An extensive list there man,



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 5):
I agree and the network will grow within the next two-three years..

Definately. I am positive sooner or later MBJ will see operations out of Brazil and other markets in Europe, especially with the recent buzz created by Sir Bolt O.J.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 4):
Jamaica or MBJ for that fact can lay claim that to the fact that it is the only city in the English speaking Caribbean that has service from both west and east coast of North Ameerica ( USA and Canada).

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Quoting JM079 (Reply 4):
Further more the city is about to get an expansion in service from American Airlines, Jetblue and AirTran and that fits greatly into the efforts of the JTB and JAMVAC to expand MBJ airlift capacity due to the growth in the tourism sector. By the end of March there will be over 30,000 rooms in Jamaica.
There is another side to this effort which am sure will be a win / win situation in that the Tourism Enhancement Fund will see some significant increase.

Quite noteworthy indeed. Not many people are fully aware of this. Often times the focus is on the entry of these carriers being soley to JM's detriment. JFK-MBJ is a prime example. With the presence of B6, DL & AA some had expected JM to bid that route good-bye a long time ago. And to divert a bit, the same could be said re FLL-KIN when NK & AA entered the market.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 5):
There has been some issues that has been mentioned since the opening of the RIU resort..Any extension of the current runway will have an adverse effect on the transport network to and from their property..

Will be quite interesting to see how they iron out this one as something will have to give if that runway is to be extended landwise. Otherwise the only other option will be seawise which would be quite costly.

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 6):
I hear rumors on this side of the Caribbean that TA is being "wooed" by JTB for a service SAL-MBJ....

Now if JTB knew that there is eff nov 15th a TA E190 sitting on the tarmac for 9 hours (9am-5pm) in BZE doing nothing in between SAL-BZE-SAL flights....

Seems line a no brainer to me....but should be KIN not MBJ

Interesting. Lets see how this will play out.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-10-28 19:10:13 and read 21977 times.



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 6):
I hear rumors on this side of the Caribbean that TA is being "wooed" by JTB for a service SAL-MBJ....

Now if JTB knew that there is eff nov 15th a TA E190 sitting on the tarmac for 9 hours (9am-5pm) in BZE doing nothing in between SAL-BZE-SAL flights....

Seems line a no brainer to me....but should be KIN not MBJ

In the scheme of things such a venture should become a major priority for the people at JTB for several reasons such as the fact that the GOJ wants to open gateways to Central and South America. It will also provide a different option for Jamaicans who want to travel to Central and South America and has to endure a connection at MIA or having to apply for a transit visa and is denied.

The issue of a transit visa and connecting at MIA are major sore points and have impacted on our musicians and athletes to travel oversees.

The general view at home is that the USA and UK are dictating to Jamaica as to who they can send to international events by refusing or granting visa. The Jamaican contingent that went to Italy this year to the junior games had to get there via HAV, MAD and then by bus.

So, if TA can make this happen then trust me they will be heavily supported.


BTW: I listen to the PM talked about the ICI today and he candidly said these vendors actually travelled as far as China to import things to sell. China?

Now, I understand why JM love them.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: LimaMike
Posted 2009-10-28 20:06:12 and read 21974 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 9):
BTW: I listen to the PM talked about the ICI today and he candidly said these vendors actually travelled as far as China to import things to sell. China?

Now, I understand why JM love them.

Yes, China. I recently became aware of this because my landlord, who is an ICI, just returned from China! China provides several benefits in terms of quantity and price, but most importantly, ICIs can get their stock custom-made/made to order!

ICIs have been a staple on many JM routes over the years. Prior to their termination MIA, LAX and even GCM were popular ICI routes. JM forayed into PTY in the late 90s largely to tap into the ICI traffic.With the termination of MIA, FLL sees a greater proportion of ICIs, but CUR is currently JM 's flagship ICI destination and cargo revenue has helped to make this route lucrative for the carrier.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-10-28 20:41:09 and read 21962 times.

Quoting Yankeejuliet (Reply 7):
Roadway is now ok, but gas station will have to be relocated.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 8):
Will be quite interesting to see how they iron out this one as something will have to give if that runway is to be extended landwise. Otherwise the only other option will be seawise which would be quite costly.



http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/Donaldsangster.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/newmbj.jpg

It will a difficult project to accomplish...In addition to expanding the runway, they will have to construct a parallel taxiway, which would be in the path of the current highway..Also, the end of the runway must have at least 100m of soft area (accident prevention)..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 8):
Quite noteworthy indeed. Not many people are fully aware of this. Often times the focus is on the entry of these carriers being soley to JM's detriment. JFK-MBJ is a prime example. With the presence of B6, DL & AA some had expected JM to bid that route good-bye a long time ago. And to divert a bit, the same could be said re FLL-KIN when NK & AA entered the market.

Well said...People need to do proper analysis of markets before jumping to conclusions...FLL-KIN is a perfect example..JM has 3 daily from KIN and they have had success on this route..AA struggled to get past 60% in peak season...

Quoting LimaMike (Reply 10):
ICIs have been a staple on many JM routes over the years. Prior to their termination MIA, LAX and even GCM were popular ICI routes. JM forayed into PTY in the late 90s largely to tap into the ICI traffic

Don't forget PAP..Prior to the coup it was a profitable ICI route..I also heard many ICIs venture to CCS for their bargains..There are some cheap fares from CUR-CCS..

[Edited 2009-10-28 20:43:42]

[Edited 2009-10-28 20:44:09]

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: Captaink
Posted 2009-10-28 22:35:32 and read 21937 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 11):
It will a difficult project to accomplish...In addition to expanding the runway, they will have to construct a parallel taxiway, which would be in the path of the current highway..Also, the end of the runway must have at least 100m of soft area (accident prevention)..

What about dumping land at the other end of the runway, i.e extending it out into the sea a bit..

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: SurfandSnow
Posted 2009-10-28 22:46:31 and read 21934 times.

MBJ is getting a real nice boost with the arrival of B6 and FL. Though, I do have my doubts about the new US PHX-MBJ route. This seems strangely familiar to AA's ORD-MBJ service that didn't last too long...

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: Tiger119
Posted 2009-10-28 22:58:24 and read 21929 times.

This question may have been asked already in one of the previous 19 threads, but, does Air Jamaica ground handle all operations at the two airports? It would seem obvious but I have never been there. I would love to go sometime, I love the Caribbean!

David

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-10-28 23:00:00 and read 21941 times.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/vid...22/hiking-jamaica-maroons-heritage

A recent article in the Guardian of the UK in the travel section looked at a critical part of the rich heriatge of Jamaica which the JTB is actively developing - Heritage Tourism. In that same vein the guide in the video is a Maroon whose history falls within that area of heritage.

Quoting LimaMike (Reply 10):

Yes, China. I recently became aware of this because my landlord, who is an ICI, just returned from China! China provides several benefits in terms of quantity and price, but most importantly, ICIs can get their stock custom-made/made to order!

There is logic in that act of going directly to the source where they stand a good stance of getting a better deal. The cost of production is significantly cheap to produce in China. It would be interesting to see some stats as to what sort of volumne we are talking about here.

I was not familar with GCM as a gateway for the ICI as that destination was not into the sort of manufacturing as PAP, PTY or CUR. GCM historically has been a financial mega not manufacuring.



[quote=HummingBird,reply=11]
Well said...People need to do proper analysis of markets before jumping to conclusions...FLL-KIN is a perfect example..JM has 3 daily from KIN and they have had success on this route..AA struggled to get past 60% in peak season...

The logic was flawed as evidently the major restructuring that JM decided to pursue last year was lost on a lot of people as the carrier decided to focus on the VFR market.

It is worth repeating that what you saw was a strong focus on NYC, FLL, YYZ , GND. MCO.
PHL,BWI and ORD . The recent statement from the CEO about that move vindicated his actions. Further more recents stats from Ed Barlette has laid rest to that perception that the addition of these carriers is to fight for market share. While in fact fact they are needed to meet the expanding tourism industry - we saw a 8.1% increase from the USA for the period ending July 31.

Quoting LimaMike (Reply 10):


It will a difficult project to accomplish...In addition to expanding the runway, they will have to construct a parallel taxiway, which would be in the path of the current highway..Also, the end of the runway must have at least 100m of soft area (accident prevention)..

The release from SIA indicated that they have purchase all that land north of the airport. I assuming that they will sink the road way to facilitates this expansion so what you might see is a bridge there.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: Beeweel15
Posted 2009-10-28 23:09:32 and read 21943 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Thread starter):
Current list of operators..

Airlines Destinations
Air Berlin Düsseldorf
Air Canada Calgary [seasonal], Halifax [seasonal], Montreal-Trudeau, Ottawa [seasonal], Toronto-Pearson, Vancouver [seasonal], Winnipeg [seasonal]
Air Europa Madrid [seasonal]
Air Jamaica Baltimore, Chicago-O'Hare, Curaçao, Fort Lauderdale, Havana, Kingston, Nassau, New York-JFK, Orlando, Philadelphia
Air Transat Calgary [seasonal], Montreal-Trudeau, Quebec City [seasonal; begins 7 November], Toronto-Pearson, Vancouver [seasonal]
AirTran Airways Atlanta, Baltimore, Orlando [all services begin 11 February][6]
American Airlines Dallas/Fort Worth, Miami, New York,JFK
Arkefly Amsterdam, Punta Cana
Blue Panorama Milan-Malpensa, Rome-Fiumicino [begins 21 December]
British Airways London-Gatwick [resumes 29 October]
CanJet Calgary, Montreal-Trudeau, Ottawa [begins 18 December], Quebec City, Toronto-Pearson, Victoria [begins 20 December]
Cayman Airways Grand Cayman
Condor Flugdienst Frankfurt
Continental Airlines Houston-Intercontinental, Newark
Cubana de Aviación operated by Aerogaviota Havana
Delta Air Lines Atlanta, New York-JFK
Iberworld Madrid
Jetairfly Brussels, Cancún [seasonal]
JetBlue Airways Boston [begins 9 January] [7], New York-JFK, Orlando [begins 10 February]
Livingston Energy Flight Milan-Malpensa
Northwest Airlines Detroit, Memphis, Minneapolis/St. Paul
Orbest Lisbon
Skylan Airways Kingston
Skyservice Calgary, Edmonton [begins 18 December], Montreal-Trudeau [begins 18 December], Ottawa, Saskatoon [begins 27 December], Toronto-Pearson, Vancouver [all seasonal]
Spirit Airlines Fort Lauderdale
Sun Country Airlines Minneapolis/St. Paul [seasonal]
Sunwing Airlines Montreal-Trudeau, Ottawa, Quebec City, Toronto-Pearson
TAME Quito, Guayaquil [seasonal]
Thomas Cook Airlines London-Gatwick, Manchester (UK)
Thomson Airways Birmingham (UK), London-Gatwick, Manchester (UK)
United Airlines Chicago-O'Hare, Washington-Dulles [both seasonal]
US Airways Boston [seasonal], Charlotte, Philadelphia, Phoenix [seasonal; begins 17 December]
USA3000 Airlines Chicago-O'Hare, St. Louis [seasonal]
Virgin Atlantic Airways London-Gatwick
WestJet Ottawa [seasonal; begins 6 November], Toronto-Pearson

Is there any room really left for JM.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-10-28 23:17:50 and read 21938 times.



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 13):
MBJ is getting a real nice boost with the arrival of B6 and FL. Though, I do have my doubts about the new US PHX-MBJ route. This seems strangely familiar to AA's ORD-MBJ service that didn't last too long...

The US Airways PHX-MBJ will be seasonal and will end in April of 2010. It is expected that if the route perform well then am sure the JTB will work with US Airways to ensure it bcomes year round.



[quote=Tiger119,reply=14]This question may have been asked already in one of the previous 19 threads, but, does Air Jamaica ground handle all operations at the two airports? It would seem obvious but I have never been there. I would love to go sometime, I love the Caribbean!

JM only handles there operations and Virgin.

There are other general service agents such as AJAS and Jamaica Despatch that service other carriers.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-10-28 23:20:11 and read 21933 times.



Quoting Beeweel15 (Reply 16):

Yes, they are number 5 on the list.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-10-29 04:58:03 and read 21911 times.



Quoting Yankeejuliet (Reply 7):
Roadway is now ok, but gas station will have to be relocated.

Thanks for info.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 9):
The issue of a transit visa and connecting at MIA are major sore points and have impacted on our musicians and athletes to travel oversees.

The general view at home is that the USA and UK are dictating to Jamaica as to who they can send to international events by refusing or granting visa. The Jamaican contingent that went to Italy this year to the junior games had to get there via HAV, MAD and then by bus.

Always a sore point indeed. Often times there is the situation where a team will be required to travel to a destination via the U.S.A and they will deny a few of the key players of that team. As such alternate routings is explored. My co-worker play table tennis for Jamaica and the last time they went to Colombia they used CM via PTY to avoid the inconvenience of transiting through MIA with the visa requitements etc.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 9):
Now, I understand why JM love them.



Quoting LimaMike (Reply 10):
ICIs have been a staple on many JM routes over the years. Prior to their termination MIA, LAX and even GCM were popular ICI routes. JM forayed into PTY in the late 90s largely to tap into the ICI traffic.With the termination of MIA, FLL sees a greater proportion of ICIs, but CUR is currently JM 's flagship ICI destination and cargo revenue has helped to make this route lucrative for the carrier.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 11):
Don't forget PAP..Prior to the coup it was a profitable ICI route..I also heard many ICIs venture to CCS for their bargains..There are some cheap fares from CUR-CCS..

JM is very much aware of the importance of the ICI's to their operations. That bond has indeed existed for many years and will continue to be like that as long as they are flying and there is no major change in their services.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 11):
Also, the end of the runway must have at least 100m of soft area (accident prevention)..

Think the official name for this is an '' arrester bed '' if I am not mistaken.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 11):
FLL-KIN is a perfect example..JM has 3 daily from KIN and they have had success on this route..AA struggled to get past 60% in peak season...



Quoting JM079 (Reply 15):
The logic was flawed as evidently the major restructuring that JM decided to pursue last year was lost on a lot of people as the carrier decided to focus on the VFR market.

It is worth repeating that what you saw was a strong focus on NYC, FLL, YYZ , GND. MCO.
PHL,BWI and ORD . The recent statement from the CEO about that move vindicated his actions. Further more recents stats from Ed Barlette has laid rest to that perception that the addition of these carriers is to fight for market share. While in fact fact they are needed to meet the expanding tourism industry - we saw a 8.1% increase from the USA for the period ending July 31.

Very flawed indeed. And the aforementioned adjustments have reaped success for JM so far. I think they are doing an excellent job with the current aircraft utilization especially as it pertains to how they operate between GND-JFK-MBJ. JM is not competing for the tourist traffic that want to get into MBJ by 10:00am. They are targeting the VFR traffic. If anything the entry of FL, B6 etc will have a win win situation for the island....more tourist traffic, greater TEF earnings and competitive fares for travelers.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: LimaMike
Posted 2009-10-29 07:56:35 and read 21879 times.



Quoting Beeweel15 (Reply 16):
Is there any room really left for JM.

If what you meant was does JM still remain a viable entity with the amount of service being offered by other carriers then the answer is still definitely yes. What many people fail to realize is that since implementing it's new business strategy JM is primarily focused on the VFR markets into Jamaica, as opposed to being predominantly tourist-oriented as it was in the previous 10 years. Hence, routes such as PHX, BOS, IAH etc are no longer part of the JM network.

Much has been made about new/proposed service by carriers such as B6, DL and FL and their perceived impact on JM 's operations. Instead of viewing these additional service as growth in the market, most people have interpreted this as evidence of JM 's "crumbling". The JFK-MBJ route is prime example, where there is service by JM, B6, AA and DL. The last published stats presented however showed JM still outperforming its rivals.

Additionally, it must be noted that the list of carriers into MBJ includes many charter companies, with most offering service from destinations which they do not compete with JM. In fact, of all the listed carriers/services into MBJ currently the only DIRECT competition with JM are:
AA, B6, DL - JFK
US - PHL
NK - FLL

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-10-29 09:30:58 and read 21869 times.

British Airways has restart its LGW-MBJ service using the 777-200 series. It is expected to operate twice weekly with all year round service. Expected arrival time at MBJ is 4:05pm local. BA2285 is now crusing off the coast of Newfoundland at 36,000 ft.

Looking forwarding to its arrival at MBJ .

Quoting LimaMike (Reply 20):

You have re-enforce what I and others have been saying all along.

What alot of people fail to see is that tourism is not just about Air Jamaica. We have a growing industry that has seen massive investment and we need access from all gateways.

Your point of who currently competes again Air Jamaica is well taken and puts into focus that these other carriers are supporters of the industry not competitors.

Also noted is the fact that JM continues to enjoy excellent loads into MBJ from ORD, NYC, FLL, MCO, PHL and BWI.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-10-29 09:38:24 and read 21861 times.

Quoting Captaink (Reply 12):
What about dumping land at the other end of the runway, i.e extending it out into the sea a bit..

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/mbjsea.jpg

It is a possibility...The advantage being, the waters surrounding the airport is very shallow

Quoting JM079 (Reply 15):
The release from SIA indicated that they have purchase all that land north of the airport. I assuming that they will sink the road way to facilitates this expansion so what you might see is a bridge there.

That is also another option...All this could have been avoided, if they had gone ahead with the original plan of re-routing the highway, through the neighboring Flankers Community..

The area that is place marked should have been the cut off point..

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/flankers2.jpg

This pic illustrates how major housing and commercial infrastructures are located close to the runway...

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/flankers.jpg

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 13):
Though, I do have my doubts about the new US PHX-MBJ route. This seems strangely familiar to AA's ORD-MBJ service that didn't last too long...

Per the contract with JTB/JAMVAC, it is the responsibility of US to fill those seats..However, it will be a challenge in Feb when the PHX hub is downsized...
In order to maintain marketing momentum, the JTB is continuously participating in the joint marketing with US Vacations..

AA's ORD-MBJ service returns next year...Initially operating as a Sat/Sun service...

Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 14):
This question may have been asked already in one of the previous 19 threads, but, does Air Jamaica ground handle all operations at the two airports? It would seem obvious but I have never been there. I would love to go sometime, I love the Caribbean

The Caribbean would be worth your visit.....

As JM079 pointed out, we have AJAS and Jamaica Dispatch who are the major handlers at both international airports..They handle the majority of charter flights to MBJ...

[Edited 2009-10-29 09:39:47]

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-10-29 10:23:39 and read 21873 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 21):
British Airways has restart its LGW-MBJ service using the 777-200 series. It is expected to operate twice weekly with all year round service. Expected arrival time at MBJ is 4:05pm local. BA2285 is now crusing off the coast of Newfoundland at 36,000 ft.

Looking forwarding to its arrival at MBJ .

I was informed, the flight will arrive at gate 18..They will receive a water salute...

JM will be their ground handlers..On their operations sheet, it shows a B777/B767 mix...

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A video of MBJ airport..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydors9HNokg#

A video showing Jamaican born, World 400m Gold Medalist Sanya Richards on her vacation in Jamaica..She travelled on US from PHL..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mHz2oBEayI

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-10-29 10:33:45 and read 21868 times.

The Gleaner has featured the Airport Authority of Jamaica AAJ that has responsibility for the airports across Jamaica. In this feature the CEO has advised that both international airport performance has exceeded expectation.

http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20091029/news/news3.html


....."NMIA Airports Limited is not on the Government's budget and Richards said that while Norman Manley International has not had the economic success of Sangster International, the NMIA has been working to improve its solvency. Growth in passenger arrivals has fluctuated with the best year being a jump of 8.7 per cent in 2005.

One growth strategy has been to facilitate and support increased tourists flow through the second international airport. NMIA currently receives 50 per cent of the traffic of Sangster International with 1.7 million travellers in 2008 compared with 3.4 million passing through Montego Bay in the same year.


BTW: There is a news item now that the NMIA has experienced an emergency in which smoke was detected in the main hall and is now on shut down mode.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: LimaMike
Posted 2009-10-29 11:08:29 and read 21850 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 22):
Quoting Captaink (Reply 12):
What about dumping land at the other end of the runway, i.e extending it out into the sea a bit..



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 22):
It is a possibility...The advantage being, the waters surrounding the airport is very shallow

However, with the areas surrounding the airport being a protected area (Montego Bay Marine Park) and Doctor's Cave Beach just a bit to the south, I'm sure marine interests as well as the conservationists will oppose this option.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: A340Jamaica
Posted 2009-10-29 16:24:59 and read 21841 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 15):
of soft area (accident prevention)..

The release from SIA indicated that they have purchase all that land north of the airport. I assuming that they will sink the road way to facilitates this expansion so what you might see is a bridge there.

I am pretty sure sinking the road would be an issue with the area being so close to sea level. A high water table will inevitably cause difficulties. The road will have to be realigned in my opinion and property, including the gas station acquired.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-10-29 20:11:47 and read 21792 times.



Quoting LimaMike (Reply 25):
However, with the areas surrounding the airport being a protected area (Montego Bay Marine Park) and Doctor's Cave Beach just a bit to the south, I'm sure marine interests as well as the conservationists will oppose this option.

Agree..Reminds me of the Sandals Whitehouse debacle..


I was able to generate these images based on the proposed extension length of 400m that was announced earlier this year..

This image was generated using the proposed 400m.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/seaperimeter.jpg


This image shows the runway being extended to 535ft..Notice the land space required to construct the parallel taxi way...

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/newkent.jpg

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-10-29 22:23:03 and read 21766 times.



Quoting A340Jamaica (Reply 26):

I am pretty sure sinking the road would be an issue with the area being so close to sea level. A high water table will inevitably cause difficulties. The road will have to be realigned in my opinion and property, including the gas station acquired.

That is a viable option which I had not considered but if my memory is still sharpe there was idea to re-route that road through the flanners community but with the recent expansion of housing in that community I am not if that idea has any merit.

But for sure all the commercial buildings that are within clos proximity to the airport will definately have to go.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 27):

Those images are quite helpful as it has aided in this discussion but there will be a major problem if the airport decides to expan by means of dumping up the sea.

We are aware that NEPA (National Enviornmental Protection Agency) has issues with all those new hotels as there presence will have a negative impact on the coral reefs and shore line.


http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/magaz...AIR_J_TAKES_ON_US___M_OVERHAUL.asp


Air Jamaica was approved some US$6 million ($534 million) in contracts last month for insurance, radar and engine repairs, but the airline says that half of this cost will be reimbursed by GE Capital Aviation Services (GECAS), a leasor of air planes.

The national airline was approved by Government to overhaul two engines costing US$3.2 million. It will use US-based Pratt and Whitney Norway Engine Centre for the three-month repair. In the interim that plane is utilising leased engines. The contract details were published last week by the Contractor General's office. Air Jamaica currently has five engines in routine maintenance and plans to overhaul two more for the year.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-10-30 04:36:00 and read 21752 times.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 24):
BTW: There is a news item now that the NMIA has experienced an emergency in which smoke was detected in the main hall and is now on shut down mode.

Here is some more information on the incident..................

Airport scare

'' PASSENGERS and staff at the Norman Manley International Airport (NMIA) yesterday scampered for cover after smoke, allegedly caused by a welding mishap, billowed through the ventilation system inside the Terminal Building.

The incident, which occurred about 11:00 am, resulted in the area being locked down for two hours as firefighters, security officers, and health officials worked feverishly to bring the situation under control.
"We had some contractors doing some welding work on the roof of the Terminal Building, the material that they were using caught fire. The smoke from that fire entered the ventilation system and there was a really thick smoke," Williams explained. ''

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...-0500_162798_OBS_AIRPORT_SCARE.asp

Quoting JM079 (Reply 21):
Looking forwarding to its arrival at MBJ .



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 23):
I was informed, the flight will arrive at gate 18..They will receive a water salute...

Flight was 100% full ...Looking forward for some photos of her arrival.......


British Airways returns to Montego Bay

'' Making its return yesterday with a full capacity of 280 passengers, BA will operate twice-weekly to the resort city on Thursdays and Saturdays with a three-class Boeing 777 aircraft. This brings BA's service to Jamaica to five-weekly, augmenting the existing three-weekly flights to Kingston from London, Gatwick.

Addressing stakeholders at a welcome reception at the airport, Minister of Tourism Edmund Bartlett said the expansion by the airline was pivotal. ''

http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20091030/lead/lead5.html


** B6 867 is now gearing up for her inaugural into KIN today.

[Edited 2009-10-30 04:41:41]

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-10-30 06:08:37 and read 21741 times.

[quote=AirJamaica,reply=29]
Here is some more information on the incident..................

Airport scare

'' PASSENGERS and staff at the Norman Manley International Airport (NMIA) yesterday scampered for cover after smoke, allegedly caused by a welding mishap, billowed through the ventilation system inside the Terminal Building.


Must have been a hair raising experince for everyone but glad to see that it was not a major issue. The work that is going on now is for the new arrival hall.



[quote=AirJamaica,reply=29]
Flight was 100% full ...Looking forward for some photos of her arrival.......


British Airways returns to Montego Bay

'' Making its return yesterday with a full capacity of 280 passengers, BA will operate twice-weekly to the resort city on Thursdays and Saturdays with a three-class Boeing 777 aircraft. This brings BA's service to Jamaica to five-weekly, augmenting the existing three-weekly flights to Kingston from London, Gatwick.


Welcome back BA, you are one of my favourite airlines - my first international flight was on a BA 747 from KIN to LHR to spend holidays with my aunt and family in London. Yea, LHR was the gateway back then to KIN. Interestingly enough, the return flight operated as LHR/NAS/KIN.


BTW, if the BA inflite crew carried out there threat of an industrial action over the Christmas season there will be severe dislocation for so many people. So, am sure BA competitors will gain from this situation.

Also, that new carbon tax has not died and there is still some possibility of a reprieve but doesnt the UK release that it is there aviation sector that will be affected by this. All UK base carriers flying to the caribbean will naturally become uncompetitive due to this high cost.

__________________________________________________________________________


The last thread was dedicated to KIN as the gateway to Jamaica as the corporate and VFR market. We highlighted the city and some of its attraction but we did not focus on the corporate with the exception that Sandals resort will be building a 250 room hotel that will be for the corporate world.


Well, Digicel - the Irish operated cell compay that is in the Caribbean, Latin America, South Pacific has announced that Kingston has been selected as its new Global Headquarter.

..........."Digicel Group is still negotiating with the Urban Development Corporation (UDC) for the 4.3-acre Kingston waterfront site on which it will put its new global headquarters.

CEO Colm Delves said Wednesday the company had not finalised costings on the project but would spend "tens of millions of US dollars" to erect two buildings - one of which was likely to be at least 125,000 square feet. Digicel plans to complete the project in two years.

http://www.jis.gov.jm/officePM/html/...NS_TO_MOVE_DOWNTOWN__NEXT_YEAR.asp

Digicel in making KIN its Global HQ is a significant endorsement in the city's future and will definately enhancement KIN marketability. They are joining another international body that had selected KIN as there HQ - The UN Law of the Sea Authority.

BA and VS am sure are delited by this news.

BTW:B6 867 is now intransit to KIN - actually departed on time.

Hey, LimaMike if you are at work I hope you can get some pics.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: SCL767
Posted 2009-10-30 06:48:27 and read 21733 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Thread starter):
The JTB/JamVac Vacations are currently looking at the following carriers for future services to MBJ:
LAN,TAM,Copa, Lufthansa and an unannounced Asian carrier..

LAN Airlines to MBJ? Can you provide a source as I haven't heard of this "development"? Also, why would LH serve MBJ when its subsidiary DE already does?

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-10-30 08:05:44 and read 21709 times.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 29):
Flight was 100% full ...Looking forward for some photos of her arrival.......

My friend tried to get some photos, but it was too dark..Hopefully I will be able to get some pics on Saturday...

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 29):
** B6 867 is now gearing up for her inaugural into KIN today.

Another great addition to the KIN traffic...

Quoting JM079 (Reply 30):
Welcome back BA, you are one of my favourite airlines - my first international flight was on a BA 747 from KIN to LHR to spend holidays with my aunt and family in London. Yea, LHR was the gateway back then to KIN. Interestingly enough, the return flight operated as LHR/NAS/KIN.

I remember admiring the B747 on approach to MBJ in the 90s..Also, BA operated ad-hoc Concorde services to MBJ from JFK...

Quoting JM079 (Reply 30):
Also, that new carbon tax has not died and there is still some possibility of a reprieve but doesnt the UK release that it is there aviation sector that will be affected by this. All UK base carriers flying to the caribbean will naturally become uncompetitive due to this high cost.

Also, The Caribbean is getting stiff competition form North Africa and The Mediterranean..If this tax is imposed, expect to see a huge decline in traffic..

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: SCL767
Posted 2009-10-30 08:10:26 and read 21736 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 32):

Also, the tread starter claims that TAME operates seasonally into MBJ? Any sources that you can provide would be much appreciated.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-10-30 10:28:42 and read 21680 times.

An article on B6's service to KIN..

The carrier will operate daily non-stop flights between Kingston's Norman Manley International Airport and New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport.

Onward connecting service will be available to cities throughout the US.

To promote the new service, JetBlue is offering a special fare of USD89 one-way on the route, available to purchase until 4 November for travel from Saturday until 8 February 2010.

http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/2613492/

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A release from The JTB stats shows an increase in arrivals for August 09..

http://jtbonline.org/statistics/Mont...st%202009%20Vol%20xix%20No%208.pdf

Noticeable increase in arrivals were from:
Belgium
Germany
France
Ecuador
Venezuela.

Canada has shown consistency as the market with the largest increase in arrivals...

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: SCL767
Posted 2009-10-30 10:42:18 and read 21668 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 34):
A release from The JTB stats shows an increase in arrivals for August 09..

Wow, Chilean arrivals into Jamaica dropped -46.2% according to the JTB. I guess this rules out nonstop flights operated by LAN.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-10-30 10:45:13 and read 21664 times.

The Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) will on Friday issue its ruling on the controversial divestment of Air Jamaica's slots at London's Heathrow Airport.

The sale took place two years ago under the People's National Party (PNP) administration.

DPP Paula Llewellyn told our news centre that her Office is now ready to make its decision public.

http://www.radiojamaica.com/content/view/22688/26/

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-10-30 11:09:02 and read 21649 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 36):
The Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) will on Friday issue its ruling on the controversial divestment of Air Jamaica's slots at London's Heathrow Airport.

Lets see if the ruling by the DPP will result in criminal charges against those people who tried to interfere in what should have been an administrative process.

If the DPP ruled against these people it will be a moral victory for British Airways as they had claimed they were not given the option of making a counter offer.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 34):
Canada has shown consistency as the market with the largest increase in arrivals...

The JTB office here is really doing its job and they have been voted by travel agents across Canada as the number one tourist board.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 34):
Noticeable increase in arrivals were from

Am not at all surprise at these incremental increases as this was the first yeat that VIAMERICA was coming to Jamaica as they had there first charter into MBJ back in June and we will MAXITravel charters commencing service with THAME on Jan 1.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 32):
My friend tried to get some photos, but it was too dark..Hopefully I will be able to get some pics on Saturday

Virgin and BA will be in MBJ on saturday so it will be awesome if we some pix.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-10-30 11:12:05 and read 21651 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 34):
To promote the new service, JetBlue is offering a special fare of USD89 one-way on the route, available to purchase until 4 November for travel from Saturday until 8 February 2010.

By comparison JM's winter special is approximately US$324 inclusive of taxes.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 34):
Noticeable increase in arrivals were from:
Belgium
Germany
France
Ecuador
Venezuela.

Canada has shown consistency as the market with the largest increase in arrivals...

Great news. I am certain Ed will capitalize as much as possible to maintain this trend.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 30):
BA and VS am sure are delited by this news.

Very much so....

Quoting JM079 (Reply 30):
Yea, LHR was the gateway back then to KIN. Interestingly enough, the return flight operated as LHR/NAS/KIN.

Quite a number of the Caribbean routes from BA was operated out of LHR back then if memory serves me correct. Yes BA had services between NAS & KIN as well. My grandmother used that BA service from LHR quite frequently back in the day too.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: SCL767
Posted 2009-10-30 12:24:50 and read 21628 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 37):
Am not at all surprise at these incremental increases as this was the first yeat that VIAMERICA was coming to Jamaica as they had there first charter into MBJ back in June and we will MAXITravel charters commencing service with THAME on Jan 1.

This is a link in reference to the Minister's negotiations earlier this year:
http://www.visaviajes.com/index.php?..._content&task=view&id=248&Itemid=5

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-10-30 13:20:05 and read 21615 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 37):
Lets see if the ruling by the DPP will result in criminal charges against those people who tried to interfere in what should have been an administrative process.

If the DPP ruled against these people it will be a moral victory for British Airways as they had claimed they were not given the option of making a counter offer.

Sticky situation.....Evidently, some will have to suffer the consequences..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 37):
The JTB office here is really doing its job and they have been voted by travel agents across Canada as the number one tourist board.

I agree...A strong team for a strong brand...

Quoting JM079 (Reply 37):
Am not at all surprise at these incremental increases as this was the first yeat that VIAMERICA was coming to Jamaica as they had there first charter into MBJ back in June and we will MAXITravel charters commencing service with THAME on Jan 1.

I agree...
On another note, I don't see why myself or others should be entertaining these petty posts that simply lack logic..People need to grow up and stop acting childish..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 37):
Virgin and BA will be in MBJ on saturday so it will be awesome if we some pix.

I will send a request...Hopefully, neither of the flights will be late..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 38):
By comparison JM's winter special is approximately US$324 inclusive of taxes.

I am not worried about B6 in KIN...I saw their $49 fares being advertised on the JTB's twitter page...If B6 will make any impact, it will be AA, Dl and NK..It will have little effect on JM's hardcore VFR network..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 38):
Great news. I am certain Ed will capitalize as much as possible to maintain this trend.

Without a doubt..

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http://go-jamaica.com/news/read_article.php?id=13894

The government has abandoned plans to extend the runway at the Ken Jones Domestic Airport in Portland.

Minister with responsibility for Information, Daryl Vaz says the runway can only be extended by a further 400 feet, which is not sufficient for the type of investment that is being contemplated.

The length of the runway is currently at 3,200 feet.

Two years ago the tourism minister Ed Bartlett announced plans for the expansion of the aerodrome.

But the Airports Authority of Jamaica, AAJ had expressed reservations about the plan stating that the capital expenditure could not be justified by the small incomes they generate.



These are stats on the airport..

Just ten kilometres west of Port Antonio, the Ken Jones Aerodrome, serves the tourist resorts in the Northeast section of Jamaica as well as local travel market. The aerodrome has a single runway, and a terminal building with a passenger-waiting lounge and seating for 24-30 persons.

FACILITIES

Runway designation 9-27
Length 3,425 x 90%u2019; asphalt %u2013 good condition
Fuelling facilities not available
Night flight operations not available


At the time the AAJ said it would cost US$12.9 million to lengthen the runway by 500 feet and install the necessary instrumentation to allow for night flying.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/kenjones2.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/kenjones.jpg

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: A340Jamaica
Posted 2009-10-30 17:59:53 and read 21538 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 40):

I am not worried about B6 in KIN...I saw their $49 fares being advertised on the JTB's twitter page...If B6 will make any impact, it will be AA, Dl and NK..It will have little effect on JM's hardcore VFR network..

As I have consistently mentioned, as long as JM exists in some form similar to its current state, New York is secure. The problems arise if they change or disappear!! Look at the kind of specials B6 has to be using to attract patronage for KIN. KIN is not MBJ and will be much more difficult for them. The JM JFK - KIN clientele is a notoriously difficult crowd.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-10-30 18:24:55 and read 21538 times.



Quoting A340Jamaica (Reply 41):
The JM JFK - KIN clientele is a notoriously difficult crowd.

A JM FA who frequents the route, mentioned most "hardcore pax" will stay with JM...


A JM aircraft cabin being prepared for it's nortbound flight...

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/IMG00115.jpg

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-10-30 18:36:08 and read 21524 times.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 23):
A video of MBJ airport..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydors...Nokg#

Just got a chance to view this clip. MBJ is looking spectacular. Just imagine what the fully completed project will look like.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 40):
I am not worried about B6 in KIN...I saw their $49 fares being advertised on the JTB's twitter page...If B6 will make any impact, it will be AA, Dl and NK..It will have little effect on JM's hardcore VFR network..



Quoting A340Jamaica (Reply 41):
As I have consistently mentioned, as long as JM exists in some form similar to its current state, New York is secure. The problems arise if they change or disappear!! Look at the kind of specials B6 has to be using to attract patronage for KIN. KIN is not MBJ and will be much more difficult for them. The JM JFK - KIN clientele is a notoriously difficult crowd.

And as we have pointed out many times in the past both the FLL-KIN & JFK-KIN markets are quite large so this constant prediction of doom and gloom for JM because of B6's presence is quite laughable. If the last published JFK-MBJ stats for JM is anything to go by then why shouldn't their JFK-KIN or FLL-KIN loads be robust even with the additional services by other carriers ? Which carrier recently decided to axe FLL-KIN from their route map ? Definately not JM.

[Edited 2009-10-30 18:46:55]

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-10-30 20:51:30 and read 21486 times.

Quoting A340Jamaica (Reply 41):
As I have consistently mentioned



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 40):
I am not worried about B6 in KIN.

I think that we are not focusing on the overall strategy and the intentions of the various policy measures as announced from KIN.

Jetblue and other carriers coming to KIN or MBJ are not isolated events but part and parcel of bigger picture.

Meaning that KIN and MBJ are being marketed as major centers of trade, commerce, leisure, entertainment and finance, etc etc. If we were to focus on KIN we see a major expansion of its airport, an expansion in the number of rooms in the capital city, the redevelopment of the town core with a brand new transportation centre, the reactivation of the rail, the soon to be completed Simon Bolivar Cultural Centre and now Digicel decision to make there Headquarters for there global operations.

So, the arrival of Jetblue and the soon to be service from DL to KIN from JFK are meant to expand the market. New York is a major center for Jamaica as we have a large ex-pat community there.

If we were to look at YYZ which is serviced by both JM and AC - what we have is a striving route that is quite competitive and it becomes more so when you factor in the seasonal charters.

In an article today in Eturbonews there is a sampling of various statements from the JTB, the US embassy people who aptly put things into focus.

I am of the view that the more carriers on the route the general interest of the public is better serve as it will make all carriers offer a superb service with affordable fares. We will see an expanding market - plus the Tourism Enhancement Fund will benefit.

http://www.eturbonews.com/12529/jetblue-adds-kingston-route-schedule

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 40):
On another note, I don't see why myself or others should be entertaining these petty posts that simply lack logic..People need to grow up and stop acting childish..

I was wondering the same as I am actually catching up on the other post here.

But the issue of flights from South America has been laid to rest. In thread number 17 we posted a list of all airlines that MBJ will see - including charters from VIAMERICA and MAXITRAVEL. We also announced back then that TAME Airlines from Quito will offer these charters.

We also posted this news item from the Gleaner of May 31 in the summer thread when the tourist minister returned from his South American trip.

http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20090531/lead/lead6.html

So why is this news being treated as if it is new. Old news.

Hummingbird, you also posted this in thread 16
http://jamaicaobserver.com/westernne...EASE_ECUADORIAN_CHARTERS_TO_JA.asp

Oh, I almost forget but I read awhile back that TAME does not do international flights. But I guess they change there mind.

[Edited 2009-10-30 20:57:06]

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: SCL767
Posted 2009-10-30 23:18:42 and read 21464 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 44):
Hummingbird, you also posted this in thread 16
http://jamaicaobserver.com/westernne...EASE_ECUADORIAN_CHARTERS_TO_JA.asp

Oh, I almost forget but I read awhile back that TAME does not do international flights. But I guess they change there mind.

TAME operates 3x weekly between Tulcan, Ecuador and CLO. That's the only Scheduled international flight! They are operating "charters" with incentives into MBJ. Similar to the incentives that CM receives from the GOJ.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-10-30 23:39:24 and read 21445 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 36):
The Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) will on Friday issue its ruling on the controversial divestment of Air Jamaica's slots at London's Heathrow Airport.

....'he Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) has ruled that no one should be charged in connection with the sale of Air Jamaica's Heathrow slots to Virgin Atlantic Airways Ltd.

According to Paula Llewellyn, "There is no material revealed in the contractor general's report to support any consideration of any offence under the Corruption Prevention Act by any person in relation to this matter."

She further recommended that the police commissioner determine whether action should be taken for a possible breach of the Contractor General's Act by the former Finance Minister Dr Omar Davies.

According to Llewellyn, "Given the nature of requisitions made by Dr Davies to the Contractor General's Office when compared with the three letters signed by him all dated April 23, 2007, the public interest would mandate that the matter be referred to the commissioner of police for further investigation in relation only to a possible breach of Section 29(a) of the Contractor General Act by Dr Davies."

Section 29 (a) of the act states that every person who:

(a) Willfully makes any false statement to mislead or misleads or attempts to mislead a contractor general … shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on summary conviction before a resident magistrate of a fine not exceeding five thousand dollars or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding twelve months or to both such fine and imprisonment.

In his report, the contractor general, Greg Christie, stated that the process of evaluation, selection and approval of the Virgin Atlantic proposal lacked transparency, fairness and impartiality.

He concluded that the Virgin Atlantic proposal was not based on merit and was improper and irregular, and consequently, unlawful.

The Heathrow slots were sold to Virgin Atlantic for £5.1 million or US$10.2 million.

Dr Davies took issue with the findings of the report, rejecting claims made by the contractor general.

At the time of the sale arrangements with Virgin, Dr Davies was the finance minister.

He cited two letters from the contractor general alleging that as finance minister, he illegally and improperly intervened in the sale of the slots.

The contractor general also alleged that the sale was unfair because Virgin Atlantic was placed in an advantageous position over British Airways, which was the second bidder.

But Dr Davies said he was satisfied that his role as finance minister was entirely lawful at the end of the slot divestment process in 2007.

http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20091031/lead/lead7.html

The matter is now in the hands of the police.

I hope they charge him

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: SCL767
Posted 2009-10-30 23:48:49 and read 21447 times.

Effective 12/16/09, Caribbean Airlines' the largest Caribbean-based airline, will increase frequency into the Kingston Norman Manely International Airport to 9x weekly. BW 418/ BW 419 will operate POS-BGI-KIN twice weekly, alongside the regular daily POS-BGI/ANU/SXM-KIN service.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-10-31 07:50:41 and read 21348 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Thread starter):
Current list of operators..

Airlines Destinations
Air Berlin Düsseldorf
Air Canada Calgary [seasonal], Halifax [seasonal], Montreal-Trudeau, Ottawa [seasonal], Toronto-Pearson, Vancouver [seasonal], Winnipeg [seasonal]
Air Europa Madrid [seasonal]
Air Jamaica Baltimore, Chicago-O'Hare, Curaçao, Fort Lauderdale, Havana, Kingston, Nassau, New York-JFK, Orlando, Philadelphia
Air Transat Calgary [seasonal], Montreal-Trudeau, Quebec City [seasonal; begins 7 November], Toronto-Pearson, Vancouver [seasonal]
AirTran Airways Atlanta, Baltimore, Orlando [all services begin 11 February][6]
American Airlines Dallas/Fort Worth, Miami, New York,JFK
Arkefly Amsterdam, Punta Cana
Blue Panorama Milan-Malpensa, Rome-Fiumicino [begins 21 December]
British Airways London-Gatwick [resumes 29 October]
CanJet Calgary, Montreal-Trudeau, Ottawa [begins 18 December], Quebec City, Toronto-Pearson, Victoria [begins 20 December]
Cayman Airways Grand Cayman
Condor Flugdienst Frankfurt
Continental Airlines Houston-Intercontinental, Newark
Cubana de Aviación operated by Aerogaviota Havana
Delta Air Lines Atlanta, New York-JFK
Iberworld Madrid
Jetairfly Brussels, Cancún [seasonal]
JetBlue Airways Boston [begins 9 January] [7], New York-JFK, Orlando [begins 10 February]
Livingston Energy Flight Milan-Malpensa
Northwest Airlines Detroit, Memphis, Minneapolis/St. Paul
Orbest Lisbon
Skylan Airways Kingston
Skyservice Calgary, Edmonton [begins 18 December], Montreal-Trudeau [begins 18 December], Ottawa, Saskatoon [begins 27 December], Toronto-Pearson, Vancouver [all seasonal]
Spirit Airlines Fort Lauderdale
Sun Country Airlines Minneapolis/St. Paul [seasonal]
Sunwing Airlines Montreal-Trudeau, Ottawa, Quebec City, Toronto-Pearson
TAME Quito, Guayaquil [seasonal]
Thomas Cook Airlines London-Gatwick, Manchester (UK)
Thomson Airways Birmingham (UK), London-Gatwick, Manchester (UK)
United Airlines Chicago-O'Hare, Washington-Dulles [both seasonal]
US Airways Boston [seasonal], Charlotte, Philadelphia, Phoenix [seasonal; begins 17 December]
USA3000 Airlines Chicago-O'Hare, St. Louis [seasonal]
Virgin Atlantic Airways London-Gatwick
WestJet Ottawa [seasonal; begins 6 November], Toronto-Pearson

White Airways of Portugal will be offering a weekly Lisbon-Samana-MBJ route eff Nov 09-May 2010..Route will be operated with an A310..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 44):
I am of the view that the more carriers on the route the general interest of the public is better serve as it will make all carriers offer a superb service with affordable fares. We will see an expanding market - plus the Tourism Enhancement Fund will benefit.

Correct..The more incentives given, the more money received for the TEF..Evidently a win-win situation for The GOJ..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 46):
The matter is now in the hands of the police.

I hope they charge him

Am sure they will..With all those mounting evidence, there is no way he can escape those charges...
Looking at the current market conditions, BA would have done an excellent job developing the Europe-Jamaica market..

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For those familiar with MBJ operations, there are three airline handling companies:JM, Ajas Ltd and Jamaica Dispatch Services..

JM is the only carrier with their own check-in staff..They currently handle BA and B6...These carriers only hire a supervisor/manager..

Ajas Ltd currently handles US,UA,LTU and KX...Once a behemoth at MBJ, has been loosing most of it's clients to Dispatch..The most recent being DL..

Jamaica Dispatch Services currently handles DL/NW,CO,AC,VS and NK..Previously AC, DL/NW and NK had their own check-in staff..Due to airlines consolidating their operations, most of these services were moved to handling companies...The most recent move, was VS from JM....Most of these carriers will hire a manager/supervisor to represent the airline..



AA staff are hired through a third party company, Worldwide Handlers..The previous full time staff were laid off and rehired through this company..The current staff has minimal benefits and the staff travel passes are based on your seniority...
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Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-10-31 08:36:02 and read 21323 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 48):
White Airways of Portugal will be offering a weekly Lisbon-Samana-MBJ route eff Nov 09-May 2010..Route will be operated with an A310..

It is quite an impressive list. I will say that MBJ is really growing.

Just additional info . Air Transat will offer for the first time charters from Victoria BC to MBJ.


http://blog.calabashhotel.com/2009/0...-open-new-flight-route-to-grenada/

In the summer it was announced that Delta was to commence once weekly flight from JFK to GND on Dec 12 through April.

It is now the end of October and so far there has not been any move on the matter.

This is quite an unusual situation and I suspect that it will not happen for now due to several factors. There is still significant softening in the leisure market plus the demand for the route is still not that great especially for Americans going on vacation. Grenada is still a very niche market that were affected by the recession and it is taking some time to rebound. This is not unique to GND as BGI, UVF, ANU were and will be affected for a while.

The same situation exist for GND out of YYZ as unlike previous years the only tour operator that is pushing GND is Air Canada Vacation.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-10-31 09:30:32 and read 21310 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 48):
White Airways of Portugal will be offering a weekly Lisbon-Samana-MBJ route eff Nov 09-May 2010..Route will be operated with an A310..



Quoting JM079 (Reply 49):
It is quite an impressive list. I will say that MBJ is really growing.

Just additional info . Air Transat will offer for the first time charters from Victoria BC to MBJ.

The list of services into MBJ keep growing and growing. Really impressive.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 48):
JM is the only carrier with their own check-in staff..They currently handle BA and B6...These carriers only hire a supervisor/manager..

Does JM have their own check-in staff at JFK ? I remember when I was flying JFK-KIN a few years ago we were processed by AZ staff in their section of the airport.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 48):
AA staff are hired through a third party company, Worldwide Handlers..The previous full time staff were laid off and rehired through this company..The current staff has minimal benefits and the staff travel passes are based on your seniority...

Is this the same for their KIN operations ?

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-10-31 09:49:01 and read 21315 times.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 49):
Just additional info . Air Transat will offer for the first time charters from Victoria BC to MBJ.

Nice addition to MBj..I expect another record breaking year in arrivals..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 49):
In the summer it was announced that Delta was to commence once weekly flight from JFK to GND on Dec 12 through April.

It is now the end of October and so far there has not been any move on the matter.

I checked DL's website and it is not yet loaded..Perhaps, they will start sometime next year..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 50):
Does JM have their own check-in staff at JFK ? I remember when I was flying JFK-KIN a few years ago we were processed by AZ staff in their section of the airport.

Am not sure, will find out later..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 50):
Is this the same for their KIN operations ?

I beleive it is the same...



I found these pics on JIS of Mr Bartlett greeting the BA flight..





British Airways (BA) made its inaugural non-stop flight from London's Gatwick Airport to Montego Bay, with 280 passengers on board, on Thursday (October 29).

The crew and passengers of the airline were met at the Sangster International Airport by a welcoming team, led by Minister of Tourism, Hon Edmund Bartlett, and several representatives from the tourism fraternity.

The airline will operate twice-weekly flights to Montego Bay on Thursdays and Saturdays, with a three-class Boeing 777 aircraft. This brings British Airways service to Jamaica to five-weekly, augmenting the existing three-weekly flights to Kingston from London, Gatwick.

In addressing participants at a ceremony at the airport to welcome passengers and crew members of the flight, the Minister of Tourism said that the entire sector was pleased that Montego Bay was once again the recipient of British Airways services. The airline had stopped flying to Montego Bay some seven years ago.


He expressed the hope that the tourism marketing strategies will see growth and expansion in the European market, and into western and continental Europe and eventually penetrating eastern Europe.

"With your one world connectivity, you are ideally placed to ensure that anywhere in Europe that we go, they can get to Jamaica by British Airways and, more delightfully for us, is that Montego Bay will be now a port of premier attention," he applauded.

http://jis.gov.jm/indus_tourism/html...ELCOMES_BACK_BA_TO_MONTEGO_BAY.asp




A interesting pic...Usain Bolt in the "motherland" with crew from Kenya Airways..Jamaica now global, lol



[Edited 2009-10-31 09:59:29]

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-10-31 10:24:49 and read 21300 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 51):
I checked DL's website and it is not yet loaded..Perhaps, they will start sometime next year..

I think they have delayed in launching the service due to the reasons I have listed above

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 51):
A interesting pic...Usain Bolt in the "motherland" with crew from Kenya Airways..Jamaica now global, lol

Wow. Interesting choice of KQ as the carrier of choice to the Motherland. Here is a youtube of his arrival

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPBncRpPJqg

His visit seems to be very big there as it was carried live on TV:
http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/679692/-/uo56p3/-/index.html

.... as millions of other Kenyans followed the proceedings live on NTV and KTN.



http://www.nation.co.ke/sports/athle...1100/680060/-/sewml7z/-/index.html

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www.jis.gov.jm is reporting that Jamaica and Mexico will sign an air service agreement in Montego Bay next week when Foreign Affairs Minister of Latin American and the Caribbean meets.
.
......"Jamaica and Mexico are also scheduled to sign an Air Services Agreement within the margins of the meetings.


http://www.jis.gov.jm/foreign_affair...AL_FOREIGN_MINISTERS__MEETINGS.asp

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-10-31 10:44:53 and read 21294 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 52):
I think they have delayed in launching the service due to the reasons I have listed above

Pretty similar to what happened to AA when they relaunched the route..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 52):
Wow. Interesting choice of KQ as the carrier of choice to the Motherland. Here is a youtube of his arrival

Nice to see Bolt connecting with the land of our ancestors...Looking at their foreheads, I believe Bolt's ancestry lies in the Eastern part of Africa, lol...

I plan to vist Kenya and Ghana in the near future..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 52):
www.jis.gov.jm is reporting that Jamaica and Mexico will sign an air service agreement in Montego Bay next week when Foreign Affairs Minister of Latin American and the Caribbean meets.
.
......"Jamaica and Mexico are also scheduled to sign an Air Services Agreement within the margins of the meetings.

Would be nice to see a Mexican carrier in MBJ..I have my pick we will see Aeromexico or one of their LCCs..

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-10-31 11:39:47 and read 21272 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 53):
Nice to see Bolt connecting with the land of our ancestors...Looking at their foreheads, I believe Bolt's ancestry lies in the Eastern part of Africa, lol...

I have always thought that he was a Maroon - look at his dad plus the Maroons have historically lived in Trelawyn.

They are known for there strong, striking features plus being very tall.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 53):
Would be nice to see a Mexican carrier in MBJ..

The chance of that happening anytime soon is remote due to the current climate however
Yellow tails posting that TA is considering making a foray into either KIN/MBJ seems to be a far more realistic evident.

In post number 6 ..."TA E190 sitting on the tarmac for 9 hours (9am-5pm) in BZE doing nothing ...."

Lets see how this plays out.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-10-31 12:19:33 and read 21257 times.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 52):
Jamaica and Mexico are also scheduled to sign an Air Services Agreement within the margins of the meetings.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 53):
I have my pick we will see Aeromexico or one of their LCCs..

Just a matter of time before this air link materialize in some form or another. Interesting days are ahead for MBJ.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 53):
Nice to see Bolt connecting with the land of our ancestors...Looking at their foreheads, I believe Bolt's ancestry lies in the Eastern part of Africa, lol...

I plan to vist Kenya and Ghana in the near future..

It is good to see the impact Bolt is having on people in nations near and far, and ofcourse the exposure for the island where tourism is concerned as well. Interesting to note that Bob Marley's widow, Rita now reside in Ghana while their children are scattered all over the globe between L.A., Florida, Bahamas & Jamaica. Here is a link to the family owned resort in NAS.....

http://www.marleyresort.com/

Quoting JM079 (Reply 37):
Virgin and BA will be in MBJ on saturday so it will be awesome if we some pix.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 40):
I will send a request...Hopefully, neither of the flights will be late..

BA 2285 is estimating at approximately 4:06pm while VS 065 is estimated at 5:10pm. Hope some spotters have their cams ready and we get to see some photos in here.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 42):
A JM FA who frequents the route, mentioned most "hardcore pax" will stay with JM...

This scenario has been proven already and will do so again provided there are no major changes.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 42):
A JM aircraft cabin being prepared for it's nortbound flight...

Cool cabin shot photo there.

[Edited 2009-10-31 12:22:18]

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-10-31 14:35:14 and read 21212 times.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 55):
BA 2285 is estimating at approximately 4:06pm while VS 065 is estimated at 5:10pm. Hope some spotters have their cams ready and we get to see some photos in here.

The line today is quite interesting. I also see that TAME 01 from Guayaquil, Ecuador is quite late - arrival at MBJ is 10:30pm instead of the 2:30pm.

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 55):
http://www.marleyresort.com/

This is a remarkable conversion of what was just a house. In the 1970's when Bob Marley left Jamaica he went to live in the Bahamas and this was his house. Great to see that they have made into a resort.

Also don't forget that Ziggy now lives in Israel.

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 55):
It is good to see the impact Bolt is having on people in nations near and far

He and others have joined the list of what is considered to be "cool" about Jamaica.

Bolt has evolved into brand and a very marketable one too. The JTB is about to show case him in ways you can't imagine. Just like how the board has used Bob Marley in that quintessential song "One Love" in its current advertisement on TV across North America.

This article: ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sponsored...ke-Usain-Bolt-do-finish-first.html ) with pix of Bolt in rural Jamaica introduces the country on a different level to the outside world which the JTB has been trying to do for so many years.

The country has been successfully marketed as a sun and sand destination - this is different.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #
Username: SCL767
Posted 2009-10-31 15:09:57 and read 21195 times.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 56):
also see that TAME 01 from Guayaquil, Ecuador is quite late - arrival at MBJ is 10:30pm instead of the 2:30pm.

I think EQ01 from Aeropuerto Internacional José Joaquín de Olmedo is delayed indefinitely

[Edited 2009-10-31 15:54:22]

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: LimaMike
Posted 2009-10-31 19:21:34 and read 21114 times.

Was just checking flightstats.com and interestingly for tommorrow Nov 1 one of US CLT-MBJ-CLT flights is listed as B767 and also PHL-MBJ-PHL (which was downsized to E190 recently) is listed as B752. Are these planned upgrades or simply unscheduled aircraft substitution? Also noticed that DL 's JFK-MBJ is back. What exactly is the schedule for this service?

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-10-31 19:53:01 and read 21114 times.



Quoting LimaMike (Reply 58):
Was just checking flightstats.com and interestingly for tommorrow Nov 1 one of US CLT-MBJ-CLT flights is listed as B767 and also PHL-MBJ-PHL (which was downsized to E190 recently) is listed as B752.

Not certain re the PHL-MBJ-PHL B752 but the CLT-MBJ-CLT B767 was planned a far as I know.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 56):
The line today is quite interesting. I also see that TAME 01 from Guayaquil, Ecuador is quite late - arrival at MBJ is 10:30pm instead of the 2:30pm.

I noticed as well. Busy day at MBJ.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 56):
This is a remarkable conversion of what was just a house. In the 1970's when Bob Marley left Jamaica he went to live in the Bahamas and this was his house. Great to see that they have made into a resort.
Also don't forget that Ziggy now lives in Israel.

Great spot for a vac. Impressive transformation of the family vacation home.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-10-31 20:30:09 and read 21094 times.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 59):

Not certain re the PHL-MBJ-PHL B752 but the CLT-MBJ-CLT B767 was planned a far as I know.

A check with www.usairways.com will reveal that the 767 will be on the route for the months of Nov- Dec for the CLT route and a 757 on the PHL MBJ. That is quite a bit of an upgrade there.

Quoting LimaMike (Reply 58):
Also noticed that DL 's JFK-MBJ is back. What exactly is the schedule for this service?

There is only a weekly service for them until the end of December. Jan to mid Feb will see twice weekly and daily service will resume thereafter till mid April.

Delta is constantly adjusting its New York schedule so dont be surprise if there is some more changes to its frequency.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-10-31 21:44:15 and read 21070 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 54):
I have always thought that he was a Maroon - look at his dad plus the Maroons have historically lived in Trelawyn

Lol..That explains the speed genes....

Quoting JM079 (Reply 54):
In post number 6 ..."TA E190 sitting on the tarmac for 9 hours (9am-5pm) in BZE doing nothing ...."

Lets see how this plays out.

Perhaps they can be enticed into providing seameless Central American connections..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 55):
BA 2285 is estimating at approximately 4:06pm while VS 065 is estimated at 5:10pm. Hope some spotters have their cams ready and we get to see some photos in here.

I heard both carriers were parked at gate 15 and 17..Unfortunately, the pics were not possible due to operational challeneges..

Quoting LimaMike (Reply 58):
Was just checking flightstats.com and interestingly for tommorrow Nov 1 one of US CLT-MBJ-CLT flights is listed as B767 and also PHL-MBJ-PHL (which was downsized to E190 recently) is listed as B752. Are these planned upgrades or simply unscheduled aircraft substitution? Also noticed that DL 's JFK-MBJ is back. What exactly is the schedule for this service?

US will also start it's seasonal BOS-MBJ service tommorrow...

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 59):
I noticed as well. Busy day at MBJ.

AC has upgraded their A319 to the A321..I expect the B763 by the middle of the month..
DL will operate 3 flights from ATL tommorrow..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 50):
Does JM have their own check-in staff at JFK ? I remember when I was flying JFK-KIN a few years ago we were processed by AZ staff in their section of the airport.

They use Swissport services..



Twice this weekend, JM had to switch the A321 to operate Flt 016 due to heavy loads from JFK...

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: Tiger119
Posted 2009-10-31 23:13:34 and read 21047 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 23):
JM will be their ground handlers..



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 48):
For those familiar with MBJ operations, there are three airline handling companies:JM, Ajas Ltd and Jamaica Dispatch Services..

JM is the only carrier with their own check-in staff..They currently handle BA and B6...These carriers only hire a supervisor/manager..

Ajas Ltd currently handles US,UA,LTU and KX...Once a behemoth at MBJ, has been loosing most of it's clients to Dispatch..The most recent being DL..

Jamaica Dispatch Services currently handles DL/NW,CO,AC,VS and NK..Previously AC, DL/NW and NK had their own check-in staff..Due to airlines consolidating their operations, most of these services were moved to handling companies...The most recent move, was VS from JM....Most of these carriers will hire a manager/supervisor to represent the airline..

AA staff are hired through a third party company, Worldwide Handlers..The previous full time staff were laid off and rehired through this company..The current staff has minimal benefits and the staff travel passes are based on your seniority...

- Are these check in services or ground handling (ie:baggage and aircraft movement) or both?

David

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-01 01:30:17 and read 21022 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Thread starter):
The JTB/JamVac Vacations are currently looking at the following carriers for future services to MBJ:
LAN,TAM,Copa, Lufthansa and an unannounced Asian carrier..

The GOJ has confirmed that it is in talks to open up a number of new destination to the island. The minister of transport has advised that...."

In welcoming the airline to Kingston, Transport Minister Mike Henry said Government is pursuing the Open Sky Agreement to open up travel from Jamaica to numerous countries.

Government is also pursuing new air service agreement with some 25 countries, Henry said.

"We are looking for the link between Singapore- China- Africa Jamaica and then onwards to Peru, Chile Uruguay etc," he noted

Mr Henry was welcoming JetBlue to Kingston.


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Jamaica has been a tremendous success for the carrier ever since it commenced service to MBJ. Jetblue has revealed that it has carried over 25,000 since May to MBJ....


........."Chief Operating Officer (COO) of JetBlue Airways Rob Maruster yesterday lauded Jamaica, one of its 14 international destination, as its fastest growing market in the airline's ten year history, having flown some 25,000 passengers to the island since it began offering a non-stop service between New York and Sangster International Airport in Montego Bay in May.

Montego Bay, he said, has been one of the most successful new market launched in the airline's history.

The success of that market, he said, has led to a possible second winter flight between New York and Montego Bay as well as a new service between Orlando and Montego Bay starting next February and a Saturday-only non-stop service from Boston next January.


http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/magaz..._BLUE_S_FASTEST_GROWING_MARKET.asp


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Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-01 04:06:12 and read 20998 times.



Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 62):
Are these check in services or ground handling (ie:baggage and aircraft movement) or both?

In most instances, they offer both..What makes it more flexible is the existence of a Common Use Passenger Processing System (CUPPS) which permits interchangeable check-in positions by all airlines and reduces congestion problems....Previously, carriers were restricted in this manner..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 63):
"We are looking for the link between Singapore- China- Africa Jamaica and then onwards to Peru, Chile Uruguay etc," he noted

Mr Henry was welcoming JetBlue to Kingston.

I can see this route will also be big on cargo....

Quoting JM079 (Reply 63):
Montego Bay, he said, has been one of the most successful new market launched in the airline's history.

With news that the US economy has shown confidence, possibilities exist they may double their services for the summer..

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-01 09:37:24 and read 20935 times.



Quoting LimaMike (Reply 58):
Was just checking flightstats.com and interestingly for tommorrow Nov 1 one of US CLT-MBJ-CLT flights is listed as B767 and also PHL-MBJ-PHL (which was downsized to E190 recently) is listed as B752. Are these planned upgrades or simply unscheduled aircraft substitution? Also noticed that DL 's JFK-MBJ is back. What exactly is the schedule for this service?

B762 and A321 from CLT..
B752 from PHL
A319 from BOS
JM010 from JFK full for today..

Another Jamaican headed for the sandpit..

WESTERN BUREAU:After 12 years of service to Jamaica's national airline, Air Jamaica, Seymour Knight will captain an Airbus A320 fleet for the Middle East's Qatar Airways next month.

Qatar Airways is that country's national airline. Located in the Persian Gulf, Qatar borders Saudi Arabia and is about one-hour flying time from Dubai in the United Arab Emirates.

The affable pilot who left Jamaica last Wednesday was given a royal send-off last Saturday night by his wife April Parchment-Knight, colleagues and friends at his Torado Heights home in Coral Gardens, Montego Bay
http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20091101/out/out5.html

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-01 10:15:17 and read 20912 times.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8333973.stm

Royal Caribbean has launched its galaxy line - Oasis of the Seas. This ship will be based at Falmouth, Trelawny as its home port. This thing is huge.

http://www.ideaorlando.com/

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 64):

I can see this route will also be big on cargo....

There is some corelations between what is happening at Vernamfield and these initiatives to put in place the necessary regulatory framework such as air service agreement, commercial service agreement and the Open Sky Agreement. The USA is the only country so far that has this agreement with Kingston.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 64):

With news that the US economy has shown confidence, possibilities exist they may double their services for the summer..

Am sure the loads on B6 will continue to be high and I am looking forward to see the numbers for the summer. Am agreeing with you that perhaps by summer we will see twice daily to MBJ as B6 has already added capacity to MBJ for the christmas holidays.

Ever since B6 came on the scene Delta has adjusted there schedule downwards for the winter. We will see daily service again in Feb.

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The JTB has reported that there will be three weekly charters this winter from Kansas/St. Louis for this winter to MBJ


Details will follow shortly.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-01 15:16:35 and read 20859 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 66):
Am sure the loads on B6 will continue to be high and I am looking forward to see the numbers for the summer. Am agreeing with you that perhaps by summer we will see twice daily to MBJ as B6 has already added capacity to MBJ for the christmas holidays.

Ever since B6 came on the scene Delta has adjusted there schedule downwards for the winter. We will see daily service again in Feb.

I was reliably informed that B6 has exceeded expectations, due to the following of it's loyal crowd...The locals make up 10-15% of their flight...This winter, with the expected boost in hotel rooms, the B6 addition is very much welcomed..

This is the first time DL has resumed JFK services in November...The winter flights normally resume Dec 19....Also, they have never done daily from JFK, so it is good to see the increase in seats..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 66):
The JTB has reported that there will be three weekly charters this winter from Kansas/St. Louis for this winter to MBJ

I assume they will be operated by US300..Remember Airtran will be doing charters from MKE for the winter..

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-11-01 17:30:45 and read 20822 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 61):
Twice this weekend, JM had to switch the A321 to operate Flt 016 due to heavy loads from JFK...



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 65):
JM010 from JFK full for today..

Speaks volume for itself. Guess we may see NA doing a few rotations for the winter season especially if an aircraft ( s ) go tech.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 65):
Another Jamaican headed for the sandpit..

Over 40 of them have taken up offers in the Middle East with EK, EY & QR.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 66):
Am sure the loads on B6 will continue to be high and I am looking forward to see the numbers for the summer. Am agreeing with you that perhaps by summer we will see twice daily to MBJ as B6 has already added capacity to MBJ for the christmas holidays.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 67):
The locals make up 10-15% of their flight...

And considering they also benefit from the many connections that can be made at their JFK homebase/hub they will have good loads into MBJ.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 56):
The JTB is about to show case him in ways you can't imagine. Just like how the board has used Bob Marley in that quintessential song "One Love" in its current advertisement on TV across North America.

Good that the JTB has decided to use Bolt as part of their marketing campaign. Was expected. Of late I have been hearing another singer ( Abijah I think ) doing the " One Love '' song for the ads across North America. Don't really mind the change but I prefer the original Marley version.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-02 06:04:00 and read 20745 times.

There is more news today out of Kingston that Jamaica is moving ahead with plans to gain access to the Chinese market. The Jamaica Tourist Board has launched a Chinese version of its website : http://www.visitjamaica.com.cn/ .

According to the release through ( www.eturbonews.com)

......."JTB has strategically invested in enlisting help, advice, and expertise from experienced people and organizations who understood China well, Chinese people, Chinese culture, Chinese consumer behavior, China travel markets, their unique service expectations, doing business in China, and very importantly, the growing interest and usage of the Internet in China.

For example, JTB enlisted the China Business Network (CBN), which specializes in providing foreign businesses with consulting services and marketing activities in China. JTB commissioned CBN to develop its Chinese web site www.visitjamaica.com.cn with the purpose of raising the awareness of Jamaica among the travel trade, as well as would-be travelers throughout China.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-02 08:31:45 and read 20714 times.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 68):
Speaks volume for itself. Guess we may see NA doing a few rotations for the winter season especially if an aircraft ( s ) go tech.

This delayed divestment has put a dent in the companys plan for the winter..The company is operating with a slight increase in schedule..NA will only be used in the event of a aircraft going tech..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 68):
Over 40 of them have taken up offers in the Middle East with EK, EY & QR.

I know of pilots working for EK..At EY, we have pilots, aircraft engineers, Inflight Route Supervisor and Onboard F&B Managers...Am not sure about the mix at QR..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 68):
And considering they also benefit from the many connections that can be made at their JFK homebase/hub they will have good loads into MBJ.

B6 and DL has excellent coverage of the Northern Seaboard....Lets see how AA reacts to these increases..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 69):
......."JTB has strategically invested in enlisting help, advice, and expertise from experienced people and organizations who understood China well, Chinese people, Chinese culture, Chinese consumer behavior, China travel markets, their unique service expectations, doing business in China, and very importantly, the growing interest and usage of the Internet in China.

A good move by Ed..I expect to see a huge increase in arrivals after the 2011 Daegu World Championship....With the increase in popularity of Jamaica's product, we may see the first Asian charter by the middle of the winter season....

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-02 17:26:02 and read 20633 times.

For those FS Freaks, a nice video at MBJ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i8Qud7MLNw

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The DPP agreed with the contractor general%u2019s findings that Dr. Davies made a false statement to mislead or attempted to mislead a contractor general in his submissions.

However no mention was made of possible breaches by Melhado and Sloley.

Ms Llewellyn also ruled that no one should be held liable under the Corruption Prevention Act in relation to the Heathrow slots sale arrangement.

http://go-jamaica.com/news/read_article.php?id=13947

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JM fleet now stands at 8..
1A319
1 A321
6 A320

6Y-JMK is now stored in MIA...

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-02 19:18:16 and read 20608 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 71):

I was quite surprised by the ruling but she is only asking for the former finance minister to be investigated for lying.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMsF1JL7rv0

Here is a recent pic of BA using runway 30 at KIN - this is such a rare sight as I think it is 12 that is used more often.

Looking forward to seeing them at MBJ.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 70):

A good move by Ed..I expect to see a huge increase in arrivals after the 2011 Daegu World Championship....With the increase in popularity of Jamaica's product, we may see the first Asian charter by the middle of the winter season....

I dont think you will be seeing flights to Jamaica for now Asia for now as the focus it seems is to sensitize the market about brand Jamaica.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-11-02 20:09:49 and read 20590 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 69):
JTB commissioned CBN to develop its Chinese web site www.visitjamaica.com.cn with the purpose of raising the awareness of Jamaica among the travel trade, as well as would-be travelers throughout China.

Interesting. Very informative web site and it is a great idea by the JTB IMO.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 71):
6Y-JMK is now stored in MIA...

This was the '' bird '' that I flew from MBJ to MCO last November. This aircraft was looking spanking new inside and out at the time.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 71):
JM fleet now stands at 8..
1A319
1 A321
6 A320

Lets hope there are no major disruptions throughout the busy holiday season as the schedules will be tight.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 72):
Here is a recent pic of BA using runway 30 at KIN - this is such a rare sight as I think it is 12 that is used more often.

Looking forward to seeing them at MBJ.

Great video clip. During the day the wind usually favour 12. In the early mornings when the wind is calm and runway is optional, 30 is used by flights heading to MBJ or North America etc. if traffic permits. Same for late evenings. Would be easier for BA to use 12 for departure as the route it usually use takes it Eastwards into PAP airspace but obviously the wind had other plans for her that day  Smile

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-02 20:41:04 and read 20584 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 72):
I was quite surprised by the ruling but she is only asking for the former finance minister to be investigated for lying.

There was a report on tonight's news that the sale to VS is illegal and further actions will be taken for those who were involved in the process..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 72):
Here is a recent pic of BA using runway 30 at KIN - this is such a rare sight as I think it is 12 that is used more often.

Looking forward to seeing them at MBJ.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 73):
Great video clip. During the day the wind usually favour 12. In the early mornings when the wind is calm and runway is optional, 30 is used by flights heading to MBJ or North America etc. if traffic permits. Same for late evenings. Would be easier for BA to use 12 for departure as the route it usually use takes it Eastwards into PAP airspace but obviously the wind had other plans for her that day



Quoting JM079 (Reply 72):
dont think you will be seeing flights to Jamaica for now Asia for now as the focus it seems is to sensitize the market about brand Jamaica.

I believe KIN suffers from instant wind changes...I was on approach to runway 12 and the aircraft was enduring a severe crosswind..The BA flight that followed, was sent to runway 30..Three proceeding flights used runway 30..I was pissed that I missed an opportunity to have a runway 30 arrival experience..I heard that certain times of the year, the prevailing winds from the mountain produces heavy wind shears..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 73):
Lets hope there are no major disruptions throughout the busy holiday season as the schedules will be tight.

"Fingers crossed", all should be well....

I have been hearing some feedbacks about the new baggage policy...CUR bound ICIs are exempt from this rule....

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: Yellowtail
Posted 2009-11-03 09:37:47 and read 20530 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 53):
I plan to vist Kenya and Ghana in the near future..

Let me know when you want to go to Kenya...I know lots of people there and get there every couple of years.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 54):
."TA E190 sitting on the tarmac for 9 hours (9am-5pm) in BZE doing nothing ...."

The 9hour sitting starts Nov 15.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 61):
Perhaps they can be enticed into providing seameless Central American connections..

The SAL-BZE-SAL service is already seemless in connecting to Central American cities such as SJO, GUA etc....so any extention of the SAL-BZE service onto KIN or MBJ would have the same seemless service. To me it is a no brainer....but anyone is this part of the world will tell you TA does not think logically.

The TA sked eff Nov 15 will be
2 TA 410 Y 16NOV 1 SALBZE HK1 0837 0942 E90 E 0 M
3 TA 411 Y 20NOV 5 BZESAL HK1 1725 1825 E90 E 0 S

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-03 11:23:22 and read 20526 times.

http://www.skywritingsmagazine.com/i..._flippingbook&book_id=19&Itemid=30

JM Skywritting magazine covering the months of Nov-Dec is out and again I must admit that it is a significant change from previous years.

It is an interesting feature about our culture, sports, food, music, literature.

Usain Bolt is the main feature - and it seems that Air Jamaica is joining the foray of banking on his fame to promote the company:

BTW: Bolt was in Kenya on some good will effort by his main sponsor - Puma. The Maasai has made him one of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeMqt9MKF4I

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 75):

Having an aircraft sitting on the ground for such a long time is really not efficient. What a waste. As you said lets see if the effort to utilize it to the maximum bears some fruit.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-11-03 12:10:03 and read 20505 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 71):
The DPP agreed with the contractor general%u2019s findings that Dr. Davies made a false statement to mislead or attempted to mislead a contractor general in his submissions.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 72):
I was quite surprised by the ruling but she is only asking for the former finance minister to be investigated for lying.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 74):
There was a report on tonight's news that the sale to VS is illegal and further actions will be taken for those who were involved in the process..

A bit more info on this topical subject..................

Christie stands by Air J probe findings

'' CONTRACTOR General Greg Christie yesterday said he stood by his findings that former finance minister Dr Omar Davies had unlawfully and improperly intervened in the sale of Air Jamaica's London Heathrow slots to Virgin Atlantic in early 2007, and that the process of evaluation, selection and approval of the Virgin Atlantic proposal lacked merit, transparency, fairness and impartiality.

Christie was responding to Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) Paula Llewellyn's announcement last Friday that there was nothing in his report on the sale of the slots to warrant prosecution of anyone involved at this time."


http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...STANDS_BY_AIR_J_PROBE_FINDINGS.asp

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 74):
I missed an opportunity to have a runway 30 arrival experience..I heard that certain times of the year, the prevailing winds from the mountain produces heavy wind shears..

Come to think of it I have never had a 30 arrival before either. Only departures.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 74):
I have been hearing some feedbacks about the new baggage policy...CUR bound ICIs are exempt from this rule....

Understandably so. Goes to show how much JM value their patronage over the years.

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 75):
The 9hour sitting starts Nov 15.



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 75):
The SAL-BZE-SAL service is already seemless in connecting to Central American cities such as SJO, GUA etc....so any extention of the SAL-BZE service onto KIN or MBJ would have the same seemless service. To me it is a no brainer....but anyone is this part of the world will tell you TA does not think logically.

The TA sked eff Nov 15 will be
2 TA 410 Y 16NOV 1 SALBZE HK1 0837 0942 E90 E 0 M
3 TA 411 Y 20NOV 5 BZESAL HK1 1725 1825 E90 E 0 S



Quoting JM079 (Reply 76):
Having an aircraft sitting on the ground for such a long time is really not efficient. What a waste. As you said lets see if the effort to utilize it to the maximum bears some fruit.

Hopefully this extension into KIN or MBJ by TA will materialize.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 76):
JM Skywritting magazine covering the months of Nov-Dec is out and again I must admit that it is a significant change from previous years.

Agree. A much welcomed change when compared with publications in previous years.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-03 19:06:08 and read 20423 times.



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 75):
Let me know when you want to go to Kenya...I know lots of people there and get there every couple of years.

I am particularly interested in the Masai Reserve and to experience the inflight service of KQ and ET..I believe these carriers are examples of strong global VFR carriers...

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 75):
The SAL-BZE-SAL service is already seemless in connecting to Central American cities such as SJO, GUA etc....so any extention of the SAL-BZE service onto KIN or MBJ would have the same seemless service. To me it is a no brainer....but anyone is this part of the world will tell you TA does not think logically.

The mere fact they are using the E190 will give them to advantage of having a lower operating cost on the flight to Jamaica..Am puzzled as to which route will be more viable KIN or MBJ?..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 76):
JM Skywritting magazine covering the months of Nov-Dec is out and again I must admit that it is a significant change from previous years.

Very appealing..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 77):
Understandably so. Goes to show how much JM value their patronage over the years.

Agree...I heard the GND flight continues to do well and pax have acclimatised themselves to these changes...

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-11-03 23:55:49 and read 20401 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 78):
...I heard the GND flight continues to do well and pax have acclimatised themselves to these changes...

Will they be operating JFK-BGI for the winter ? I noticed that on their route map in the online SkyWritings magazine they did not include that sector.


Ja on track for US$2-b earnings, says Tourism director

'' In the meantime, the director of tourism said Jamaica has secured one million airline seats out of the United States, Canada and Europe for the upcoming winter season.

"Our airlift situation is better than it has ever been. We have secured one million seats flying into Jamaica between January 1 and April 30. that is to the extent that the airline have confirmed their schedules to us, so we know that that is definitely on the books," Lynch boasted, adding that last year the island had roughly nine per cent less airline capacity.

Scheduled carriers, which will be offering new service to Jamaica, include US Air, which will start service between Montego Bay and Phoenix on December 17; Jet Blue which commences service between Orlando and Montego Bay on January 11, and AirTran out of Baltimore, starting February 10.

Just last week, British Airways recommenced service from Gatwick, London to Montego Bay, after an absence of seven years, while on Friday, JetBlue began service from New York to Kingston. ''

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/magaz...RNINGS__SAYS_TOURISM_DIRECTOR_.asp


'I did not say Virgin deal was legal'

'' I make reference to your headline in respect of your report titled, 'Virgin Atlantic deal was legal', says Llewellyn'. This concerned my findings in the matter concerning the sale/divest-ment of Air Jamaica Ltd's London Heathrow slots to Virgin Atlantic Airways, consequent on the contractor general's referral of his report to my office. ''

http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20091104/news/news6.html

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-04 10:13:59 and read 20355 times.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 79):
"Our airlift situation is better than it has ever been. We have secured one million seats flying into Jamaica between January 1 and April 30. that is to the extent that the airline have confirmed their schedules to us, so we know that that is definitely on the books," Lynch boasted, adding that last year the island had roughly nine per cent less airline capacity

Job well done...
I was reliably informed that of the flights that are guaranteed, the statement is accurate as these are seats already filled....


Interesting happeneings at MBJ today...

Condor will operate two flights..The first flight arrived at 12.06pm..The second will arrive at 8:23pm..
Another flight expected from UIO...

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: Yellowtail
Posted 2009-11-04 13:25:56 and read 20327 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 78):
I am particularly interested in the Masai Reserve and to experience the inflight service of KQ and ET..I believe these carriers are examples of strong global VFR carriers...

If it is the Masai mara you speak of ...best time of the year is July....great Migration....but do not miss Amboseli, Samburu and Lake Nakuru National parks.

Never flown ET.....but KQ is quite good...like a full service CO....pleasant staff etc. NBO airport is another story.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 78):
The mere fact they are using the E190 will give them to advantage of having a lower operating cost on the flight to Jamaica..Am puzzled as to which route will be more viable KIN or MBJ?..

well JM tried MBJ with a 319 and failed....so that tells me KIN all the way...much much better O&D etc....maybe TA could split it 3XMBJ 4XKIN...to cater to both markets.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-11-04 13:52:25 and read 20323 times.



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 81):
well JM tried MBJ with a 319 and failed

You mean 320/310 in the '' Butch'' era. 310 was over kill for the BZE route. I knew it wouldn't last long.

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 81):
maybe TA could split it 3XMBJ 4XKIN...to cater to both markets.

And they could possibly operate a tri-angular routing through MBJ-KIN in low travel periods or until traffic loads build up.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: Yellowtail
Posted 2009-11-04 13:55:36 and read 20321 times.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 82):
You mean 320/310 in the '' Butch'' era. 310 was over kill for the BZE route. I knew it wouldn't last long.

Sorry...typo....started at 321 then went to 320...never saw 310.....320 was over kill....but the E-190 would be perfect!

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-11-04 14:03:22 and read 20327 times.



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 83):
started at 321 then went to 320...never saw 310.....320 was over kill....but the E-190 would be perfect!

Very true. 321 to 320 from what I recall. On a few RARE occasions they used the 310's as well but more than likely it was last minute subs. E-190 would be quite ideal though.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-04 19:29:54 and read 20284 times.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 79):
Will they be operating JFK-BGI for the winter ? I noticed that on their route map in the online SkyWritings magazine they did not include that sector.

I don't think we will ever see JM returning to BGI..AFAIK, that market is well served by AA and B6...

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 81):
If it is the Masai mara you speak of ...best time of the year is July....great Migration....but do not miss Amboseli, Samburu and Lake Nakuru National parks.

My friends went there and had a great time..

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 81):
well JM tried MBJ with a 319 and failed....so that tells me KIN all the way...much much better O&D etc....maybe TA could split it 3XMBJ 4XKIN...to cater to both markets.

Reminds me of the days when the A310 was deployed with 20 pax..The loads were low, but as we discussed in a previous Caribbean Thread, it was a marketing deal between Butch and The Belize Tourist Board..

The KIN route will do well with the business traffic..Digicel is currently expanding services in Central America, they have plans to relocate their global headquarters to Kingston..This will see alot of traffic between Kingston and Central America...Hopefully, this arrangement will provide an alternative to CM or AA...

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 82):
And they could possibly operate a tri-angular routing through MBJ-KIN in low travel periods or until traffic loads build up.

Thats a good idea....Interesting to note, this new route will be another milk-run to Jamaica..

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-11-05 03:55:01 and read 20241 times.

No fallout from CanJet incident, says JTB

'' MONTEGO BAY, St James - Almost seven months after 159 passengers and crew members of a CanJet airline destined for Canada were held hostage at the Sangster International Airport in this resort city, the Jamaica Tourist Board (JTB) is reporting that the incident which gained widespread publicity has not resulted in a fallout in the Canadian market. ''

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...FROM_CANJET_INCIDENT__SAYS_JTB.asp

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 85):
I don't think we will ever see JM returning to BGI..AFAIK, that market is well served by AA and B6...

JFK-GND is doing quite well for JM so might as well they focus their attention on that route instead of JFK-BGI.

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 83):
the E-190 would be perfect!



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 85):
The KIN route will do well with the business traffic..Digicel is currently expanding services in Central America, they have plans to relocate their global headquarters to Kingston..This will see alot of traffic between Kingston and Central America...Hopefully, this arrangement will provide an alternative to CM or AA...

Timing would be perfect for this new service by TA with the recent Digicel announcement, and with the expansion of both MBJ & KIN they are more than welcome to provide new airlift from Central America.

[Edited 2009-11-05 03:56:57]

[Edited 2009-11-05 03:57:50]

[Edited 2009-11-05 04:00:07]

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: Yellowtail
Posted 2009-11-05 06:42:42 and read 20232 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 85):

My friends went there and had a great time..

Let me know and I can give you a great Safari Company to use.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 85):
Reminds me of the days when the A310 was deployed with 20 pax..The loads were low, but as we discussed in a previous Caribbean Thread, it was a marketing deal between Butch and The Belize Tourist Board..

And horrible onward connections, horrible airfares, bad marketing etc etc...

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 85):
The KIN route will do well with the business traffic..Digicel is currently expanding services in Central America, they have plans to relocate their global headquarters to Kingston..This will see alot of traffic between Kingston and Central America...Hopefully, this arrangement will provide an alternative to CM or AA...

It would, an my sentiments exactly....I know TA are sniffing, but they are keeping cards close to their chest. Perhaps Digicel as a corporate identity should approach them

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-05 10:22:22 and read 20205 times.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 86):
JFK-GND is doing quite well for JM so might as well they focus their attention on that route instead of JFK-BGI.

No need for them to attempt competing with AA and B6...Not much of a big market exists for 3, much less 2 based on AA's frequencies..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 86):
Timing would be perfect for this new service by TA with the recent Digicel announcement, and with the expansion of both MBJ & KIN they are more than welcome to provide new airlift from Central America.

It would have to arrive during the mid day bank of arrivals in MBJ and before 1pm in KIN, to offer connections on BW..

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 87):
Perhaps Digicel as a corporate identity should approach them

They are currently using CM for some of their Central and South American ops..Am sure CM, will not let another carrier erode their market dominance....

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: Yellowtail
Posted 2009-11-05 13:19:35 and read 20175 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 88):
They are currently using CM for some of their Central and South American ops..Am sure CM, will not let another carrier erode their market dominance....

But SAL is a long way from PTY....both services could exist without really cannibalizing each other

not to mention the Salvadorans love to vacation at the beach

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-05 20:33:38 and read 20101 times.

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 89):
not to mention the Salvadorans love to vacation at the beach

Thats where the JTB will have to colloborate on the marketing..


Hey AirJamaica..

I was looking at Flightaware, at the transatlantic flights from MBJ..

BA and Thomson headed to The Nassau Airspace then turned NE to the NAT tracks..
Arkelfy enroute to AMS, hugged the norther coast of Jamaica, proceed to The PAP airspace, then turned NE to the NAT tracks..

Why did Arkefly take this particular routing?..I realize all three carriers eventually used the same route exiting the Canadian airspace..

[Edited 2009-11-05 20:54:27]

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-11-05 22:16:10 and read 20088 times.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 90):
Hey AirJamaica..

I was looking at Flightaware, at the transatlantic flights from MBJ..

BA and Thomson headed to The Nassau Airspace then turned NE to the NAT tracks..
Arkelfy enroute to AMS, hugged the norther coast of Jamaica, proceed to The PAP airspace, then turned NE to the NAT tracks..

Why did Arkefly take this particular routing?..I realize all three carriers eventually used the same route exiting the Canadian airspace..

When I was in ATC BA's flights from KIN to LGW often used Easterly routes into PAP airspace then head north through MIA's airspace. Likewise the charters heading to Europe from MBJ often used an Easterly route along Jamaica's north coast, into PAP airspace, then onto NAT's. They also used these routings inbound as well but not all the time. Other times they use a more Northerly route over Havanna or Nassau airspace, into Miami airspace etc. These routings are largely based on what the particular airline's dispatchers prepared for them prior to departure. Ofcourse many factors are taken into consideration, such as the weather, economics of a particular routing, aircraft type/limitations etc. Used to see similar situations where two different carriers are heading to Europe from MBJ at practically the same time but they each take the most diversed routings outbound ( one heading Northerly into HAV airspace while the other heading Easterly into PAP airspace ) even when weather in our area is fine.

[Edited 2009-11-05 22:23:36]

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-06 00:36:50 and read 20069 times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99QihxjfV3k&NR=1&feature=fvwp

The reggae sound track to this youtube video of Virgin landing at NMIA is really beautiful and I can just imagine if you were to view this in HD.

The guy who post it - hope he reads our thread- Nuff respect my yute.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-06 06:08:35 and read 20051 times.

OCHO RIOS, St Ann - Tourism director John Lynch wants air carriers operating out of Europe to consider offering frequent, non-stop flights to Jamaica as the country seeks to attract more tourists from that market.

According to Lynch, there is a major concern among Europeans regarding the current flight arrangements to the island, which, if not addressed, could have a negative impact on the tourism industry.

"Europeans don't like to go through London and they don't like to go to America; it's a problem," Lynch told the Observer yesterday. "With the choice that they have of getting on a plane, in all of Europe and flying, if you don't have non-stop service, your potential for developing the market or growing the market is limited."

Wednesday, TUI launched its 2010 worldwide summer programme yesterday at RIU Ocho Rios before more than 100 journalists from Germany, Turkey and Spain. TUI, in collaboration with the Jamaica Tourist Board, flew the journalists into the island for the event.

"What this relationship with TUI will do is to force and encourage the carriers, LTU and Condors which fly, to increase their services to Jamaica, now TUI will go and buy the products," Lynch said.

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...MENTS_BETWEEN_JAMAICA__EUROPE_.asp


Jamaica and Mexico have signed on to a new bilateral civil aviation agreement, which will allow for improved air service between the two countries.

The Air Service Agreement was signed at the Rose Hall Resort and Spa, Montego Bay, Thursday (November 5), by Jamaica's Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs and Foreign Trade, Dr. Kenneth Baugh, and Mexico's Minister of Foreign Affairs, Ambassador Patricia Espinosa Cantellano.

It was signed during Jamaica's hosting of two regional foreign ministers meetings, November 4-6, in Montego Bay: the meeting of Foreign Ministers of Latin America and the Caribbean (CALC); and the meeting of the Rio Group.

http://www.jis.gov.jm/foreign_affair...SIGN_NEW_AIR_SERVICE_AGREEMENT.asp

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-06 09:39:37 and read 20031 times.

Pilots should be given a chance to outline Air J bid - BITU

And with increasing signs that the Government is struggling to find a buyer for Air Jamaica, another trade union is urging the Divestment Committee to seriously consider a bid from the airline's pilots
.


The Bustamante Industrial Trade Union (BITU) believes the Jamaica Airline Pilots Association should be allowed to appear before the Committee to present its case for the acquisition of the airline.

"We know that the (Association submitted their bid for the airline) some three or four weeks ago (and) we have been advised that the pilots
have had no response whether from the Government or the Divestment Committee. We believe that since this submission was an employee driven submission in terms of acquiring the national airline, the Divestment Committee should at least give the pilots an invitation
to outline what their proposals are," said Kavon Gyale, BITU President-General.


http://www.radiojamaica.com/content/view/22774/52/

Another attempt is being made to get the Government to break its silence on the long-awaited divestment of Air Jamaica.

With the Bruce Golding administration yet to respond to claims that negotiations for the sale of the financially troubled airline has collapsed, trade unions are expressing fear that the entity could be left languishing.

The National Workers Union (NWU) says there are obvious signs that the Air Jamaica Divestment Committee has hit a stumbling block and is remaining silent on the matter.

Granville Valentine, NWU Vice-President, is insisting that the Government provide a comprehensive update on the status of the proposed sale of the airline.

"We are also concern over the fact that we hear news coming out of Government that the deal
between them and Indigo Partners has fallen through. We haven't gotten any official word on that yet and indeed, we're surprised that the administration has not yet said anything about this to the country and by a lesser extent to the Air Jamaica Steering Committee," he said.

In a recent interview with RJR News, Dr. Omar Davies, Opposition Spokesman on Finance, said he received information that Air Jamaica had been taken off the auction block.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-06 11:03:18 and read 20005 times.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 91):

Thanks....

Quoting JM079 (Reply 92):
The guy who post it - hope he reads our thread- Nuff respect my yute.

I agree...I am yet to hear any developments of VS plans for their Jamaica services..I can assure you with the addition of their A330s, MBJ will see this new type along with an increase in frequencies..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 93):
"Europeans don't like to go through London and they don't like to go to America; it's a problem," Lynch told the Observer yesterday. "With the choice that they have of getting on a plane, in all of Europe and flying, if you don't have non-stop service, your potential for developing the market or growing the market is limited."

Wednesday, TUI launched its 2010 worldwide summer programme yesterday at RIU Ocho Rios before more than 100 journalists from Germany, Turkey and Spain. TUI, in collaboration with the Jamaica Tourist Board, flew the journalists into the island for the event.

"What this relationship with TUI will do is to force and encourage the carriers, LTU and Condors which fly, to increase their services to Jamaica, now TUI will go and buy the products," Lynch said

I agree with the statement from Mr Lynch..This is one reason why destinations such as PUJ have had success from the European market...Currently, they have the largest Europe-Caribbean market share...
The foundation starts with having a reputable product and getting more travel agents accustomed to your destination..With the success and popularity of our athletes in Europe, these tools can be used as a sales catalyst..The move to include these carriers will help to strengthen the accessibility to the market...

Quoting JM079 (Reply 93):
The Air Service Agreement was signed at the Rose Hall Resort and Spa, Montego Bay, Thursday (November 5), by Jamaica's Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs and Foreign Trade, Dr. Kenneth Baugh, and Mexico's Minister of Foreign Affairs, Ambassador Patricia Espinosa Cantellano.

It was signed during Jamaica's hosting of two regional foreign ministers meetings, November 4-6, in Montego Bay: the meeting of Foreign Ministers of Latin America and the Caribbean (CALC); and the meeting of the Rio Group.

I heard they will be flying to Acupulco and Mexico City..This agreement will also strengthen the connections to Central America..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 94):
And with increasing signs that the Government is struggling to find a buyer for Air Jamaica, another trade union is urging the Divestment Committee to seriously consider a bid from the airline's pilots
.
The Bustamante Industrial Trade Union (BITU) believes the Jamaica Airline Pilots Association should be allowed to appear before the Committee to present its case for the acquisition of

After two years, we are still struggling...SMH

Quoting JM079 (Reply 94):
The National Workers Union (NWU) says there are obvious signs that the Air Jamaica Divestment Committee has hit a stumbling block and is remaining silent on the matter.

Granville Valentine, NWU Vice-President, is insisting that the Government provide a comprehensive update on the status of the proposed sale of the airline.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 93):
The National Workers Union (NWU) says there are obvious signs that the Air Jamaica Divestment Committee has hit a stumbling block and is remaining silent on the matter.

Granville Valentine, NWU Vice-President, is insisting that the Government provide a comprehensive update on the status of the proposed sale of the airline.

They had a meeting with some staff in Kingston last night..They are currently in a meeting with staff in MBJ about the proposed job cuts..

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-11-06 14:52:24 and read 19977 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 95):
Thanks....

No problem. What is interesting as well is the ' scenic ' routes they take into/out MBJ/KIN when the weather is unco-operative.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 92):
The reggae sound track to this youtube video of Virgin landing at NMIA is really beautiful and I can just imagine if you were to view this in HD.

The guy who post it - hope he reads our thread- Nuff respect my yute.

Cool video clip indeed. And you can also see BW's B738 taxiing to RWY 12 for departure to the islands. Don't hear that Bob Marley song frequently. " Midnight Raven '' is the title I think.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 95):
I am yet to hear any developments of VS plans for their Jamaica services..I can assure you with the addition of their A330s, MBJ will see this new type along with an increase in frequencies..

More than likely. And also expecting to see a MAN-MBJ service by them atleast 1x weekly when the economy improves. With the A330's it may be sooner than later.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 93):
According to Lynch, there is a major concern among Europeans regarding the current flight arrangements to the island, which, if not addressed, could have a negative impact on the tourism industry.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 95):
This is one reason why destinations such as PUJ have had success from the European market...Currently, they have the largest Europe-Caribbean market share...

Agree. PUJ have quite an impressive mixture/frequency of both scheduled and charters from Europe which bodes well for their tourism industry. To digress a bit from the Europe/Caribbean traffic .....I find it strange that B6 does not serve PUJ. Just a matter of time before they do I suppose. Expected to see them there long ago.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 95):
The foundation starts with having a reputable product and getting more travel agents accustomed to your destination..With the success and popularity of our athletes in Europe, these tools can be used as a sales catalyst..The move to include these carriers will help to strengthen the accessibility to the market.

The recent performance of our athletes in Berlin is a powerful marketing arsenal which should be fully exploited by the JTB in Europe.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-06 15:48:27 and read 19978 times.

Per this thread,http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/4600876/

DL will extend the JFK-MBJ service to 2 per week in May..



MBJ has seen the early arrival of the Canuck flights..

SSV B752 from YYZ..
WS B737 YOW
CJA B737 YUL..

These flights are in addition to the regular scheduled AC,WS and Sunwing flights from YYZ..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 96):
No problem. What is interesting as well is the ' scenic ' routes they take into/out MBJ/KIN when the weather is unco-operative.

Cool...The LTU inbound flight used the PAP airspace routing...

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 96):
More than likely. And also expecting to see a MAN-MBJ service by them atleast 1x weekly when the economy improves. With the A330's it may be sooner than later.

I agree..Can't wait to see them at MBJ..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 96):
Agree. PUJ have quite an impressive mixture/frequency of both scheduled and charters from Europe which bodes well for their tourism industry. To digress a bit from the Europe/Caribbean traffic .....I find it strange that B6 does not serve PUJ. Just a matter of time before they do I suppose. Expected to see them there long ago.

I believe the market is well served..Also, PUJ does not have a heavy reliance on the US market when compared to other English speaking Caribbean destinations..Their main focus is Europe, Canada and Latin America..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 96):
The recent performance of our athletes in Berlin is a powerful marketing arsenal which should be fully exploited by the JTB in Europe.

Next stop South America..


I found these aerial clips of Montego Bay and Ocho Rios:



Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-07 10:03:25 and read 19865 times.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 96):
Cool video clip indeed. And you can also see BW's B738 taxiing to RWY 12 for departure to the islands. Don't hear that Bob Marley song frequently. " Midnight Raven '' is the title I think.

It is a rarely played but the lyrics is quite poetic.

I did see the BW 737 which I thought was unusual as BW departure time from KIN is just after 2pm. VS arrival in KIn tend to around 5pm - BW was running late then.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 97):
DL will extend the JFK-MBJ service to 2 per week in May

Haha - I love this - remember it was just last week we posted the info that come feb they resume daily service till the middle of Apr and then suspend there flights till mid June. So, now they have decided to operate twice weekly with year round service albeit a reduce one in the spring.

I suspect this has more to do with the recent news from Jetblue that they have made significant gains on there MBJ service. These recent move on DL part indicates that they are attempting to thwart off any effort by B6 to take market share from them.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 97):

I found these aerial clips of Montego Bay and Ocho Rios

Love those aerial shots HB . I would love to be on one of those beaches right now -

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 95):
They had a meeting with some staff in Kingston last night

These reports here take to be taken quite lightly. But recently, Christopher Zacca was appointed to the GOJ as an adviser/consultant for special projects. He was the past CEO of Air Jamaica under Butch Stewart .

Mr Zacca now handles all matters relating to Air Jamaica and since he took on this new job the speculation about his intention has gone into over drive.

The one thing that is sure is that the board and management continues to implement the business plan.

The company continues to see good results from these measures and the operating profit that they earn recently is being used to justify the various cuts that were carried out earlier in the year.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-07 11:06:42 and read 19849 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 98):
I suspect this has more to do with the recent news from Jetblue that they have made significant gains on there MBJ service. These recent move on DL part indicates that they are attempting to thwart off any effort by B6 to take market share from them.

Where does this leave the "silver eagle"?

Quoting JM079 (Reply 98):
These reports here take to be taken quite lightly. But recently, Christopher Zacca was appointed to the GOJ as an adviser/consultant for special projects. He was the past CEO of Air Jamaica under Butch Stewart .

Interesting times ahead...

I was looking at MBJ arrivals for today..The line up is impressive..

US has 3 flights from CLT.. A319,B762 and A321..1 B752 ex PHL and 1 A319 ex BOS
WS has 2 flights from YYZ
SSV B752 YYZ..
NW DTW ( early start for this flight..Previous years saw a Dec resumption of services)
TS s flights ex YUL..1 A310 and 1A333

Transatlantic
VS 744
BA 777
TCX A333..One ex LGW..One ex MAN
Thom B763 EMA..
JetAir ex BRU via PUJ..
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In an effort to lure more "high rollers to Jamaica", the GOJ will shortly implement an 'inventory-enrichment strategy,' which will allow merchants to import more high-end products into the island.

This move, he said, will firmly establish Jamaica as a destination where tourists could shop for high-end products instead of going to countries such as the Cayman Islands, the Bahamas, and the United States Virgin Islands "as these goods would be available right here in Jamaica".

http://jis.gov.jm/indus_tourism/html...MORE_HEAVY_SPENDERS_TO_JAMAICA.asp

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-11-07 11:59:05 and read 19843 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 97):
Per this thread,http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/4600876/

DL will extend the JFK-MBJ service to 2 per week in May..



Quoting JM079 (Reply 98):
remember it was just last week we posted the info that come feb they resume daily service till the middle of Apr and then suspend there flights till mid June. So, now they have decided to operate twice weekly with year round service albeit a reduce one in the spring.

I suspect this has more to do with the recent news from Jetblue that they have made significant gains on there MBJ service. These recent move on DL part indicates that they are attempting to thwart off any effort by B6 to take market share from them.

As previously observed, DL keep adjusting their ( planned ) schedules. I also noticed that they have switched one their ATL-KIN CRJ services to Thursdays instead of the previously announced Fridays & Sundays. Re their latest JFK-MBJ schedule adjustment ( and re - adjustments ) it is quite obvious that they are indeed responding to B6's presence.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 99):
Where does this leave the "silver eagle"?

Very curious to see the response from the silver bird as well. One thing is certain though, JM continues to hold its own very well on JFK-MBJ despite being one of four carriers one that route.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 97):
MBJ has seen the early arrival of the Canuck flights..

SSV B752 from YYZ..
WS B737 YOW
CJA B737 YUL..

These flights are in addition to the regular scheduled AC,WS and Sunwing flights from YYZ..



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 99):
I was looking at MBJ arrivals for today..The line up is impressive..

US has 3 flights from CLT.. A319,B762 and A321..1 B752 ex PHL and 1 A319 ex BOS
WS has 2 flights from YYZ
SSV B752 YYZ..
NW DTW ( early start for this flight..Previous years saw a Dec resumption of services)
TS s flights ex YUL..1 A310 and 1A333

Transatlantic
VS 744
BA 777
TCX A333..One ex LGW..One ex MAN
Thom B763 EMA..
JetAir ex BRU via PUJ..

Can just image the line up down there when the season really gets into full gear. Spotters paradise.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 98):
I did see the BW 737 which I thought was unusual as BW departure time from KIN is just after 2pm. VS arrival in KIn tend to around 5pm - BW was running late then.

I remember when VS initially started LGW-KIN their arrival time was much earlier.....around 2:15pm, but as you correctly stated it is now arriving in the 5pm bells.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 99):
In an effort to lure more "high rollers to Jamaica", the GOJ will shortly implement an 'inventory-enrichment strategy,' which will allow merchants to import more high-end products into the island.

An extension of their diversification plans where tourism is concerned


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Sandals Resorts voted best Caribbean vacation destination... again

'' He said Jamaica will continue to invest in the Canadian market and attribute much of the country's success to the partnership that exists with Baxter Travel Media.

"The Canadian trade partners and destination Jamaica is a great thing and we are going to continue to nurture and nourish that because we have some objectives, and our main objective is to become the number one destination for the Canadian market," Bartlett said, adding that Jamaica is currently ranked third behind Cuba and Dominica Republic. ''

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/..._VACATION_DESTINATION____AGAIN.asp

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-07 14:41:13 and read 19830 times.

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 100):
As previously observed, DL keep adjusting their ( planned ) schedules. I also noticed that they have switched one their ATL-KIN CRJ services to Thursdays instead of the previously announced Fridays & Sundays. Re their latest JFK-MBJ schedule adjustment ( and re - adjustments ) it is quite obvious that they are indeed responding to B6's presence.

I have to give DL some credit for their KIN services..At first, I was jeering their service due to their low LFs..But to now see them upgrading the equipment is a sign there is money to be made in KIN alongside JM and AA...
JFK-KIN will be year round Saturday service, starting December 19..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 100):
Very curious to see the response from the silver bird as well. One thing is certain though, JM continues to hold its own very well on JFK-MBJ despite being one of four carriers one that route.

Well said..Am sure there are skeptics who would love too see otherwise.....
JM have the MBJ-JFK market in a league of their own..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 100):
Can just image the line up down there when the season really gets into full gear. Spotters paradise.

Agree..
Also, before the start of their scheduled service next year, Airtran will be operating charters to MBJ starting Dec..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 100):
An extension of their diversification plans where tourism is concerned

Also, more tourism dollars for The TEF..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 100):
Sandals Resorts voted best Caribbean vacation destination... again

'' He said Jamaica will continue to invest in the Canadian market and attribute much of the country's success to the partnership that exists with Baxter Travel Media.

No need to question the authenticity of this award..Well deserved for a rejuvenated brand!


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JTB PRESENTS WINTER PRODUCT UPDATE - In preparation for the upcoming winter tourist season which begins in December, the Jamaica Tourist Board has been presenting updated information to travel agents in different parts of the United States. One such activity took place recently in Worcester, Massachusetts, where the agents were informed about the refreshed Destination Jamaica. Worcester is an important feeder market for Boston.

http://jtbonline.org/pages/default.aspx

[Edited 2009-11-07 14:42:57]

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-07 15:40:28 and read 19813 times.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 100):
An extension of their diversification plans where tourism is concerned

I find that to be quite interesting as RadioJamaica is reporting that the PM has said it this process of diversificing is going to be quicken - he has pointed to the recent decision to grant international status to the Bosceobel Airport and put in place such measures that meet that standard. But the caveat is BOS will solely be for private carriers.

Boscobel is just outside of Ocho Rios which is quite convenient as Chris Blackwell and his Island Outpost resort that caters to the top end market will certainly prefer that option instead of landing at MBJ or for that fact.

Also mentioned was that there is effort to link other sectors to the tourism industry.

But what I found to be quite interesting was this:

For every $1.00 that a tourist spends in Jamaica $0.70 stays in the country. A remarkable achievement bearing in mind that other destinations in the region are not seeing that retension.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 101):
I have to give DL some credit for their KIN services..At first, I was jeering their service due to their low LFs..But to now see them upgrading the equipment is a sign there is money to be made in KIN alongside JM and AA...
JFK-KIN will be year round Saturday service, starting December 19..

Any keen watcher of how Delta operates know that they are very strategic in how they function. The impending arrival of them in KIN follows there usual approach: start of small and gradually grow. They are not following the approach of B6 with daily service and there is a reason for that.

Most of us were stunned when they got out of the code-share with JM and overnite they became the dominant carrier on the ATL - MBJ route. As for the ATL-KIN route they continue to send mix signal with a frequent switch in aircraft.

It is going to be an interesting scene in the next few months as Airtran will be taking them at ATL but will FL also commence service to KIN?

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-07 20:12:32 and read 19754 times.

Jamaica's performance in the Berlin Games is paying off big time as the publicity it generated about the country will manifest it self in one of the biggest deal that the country is about to sign with one of Germany's largest tour company - TUI DEUTSCHLAND>

......"The deal is expected to be sealed over the next two months, Jamaica Tourist Board's chairman and director of tourism, John Lynch, told The Sunday Gleaner.

"This is a major breakthrough, as we haven't been growing as we should in the last six to seven years," Lynch said during a press conference at Riu Ocho Rios, hours after addressing the largest contingent of European media persons to ever visit the island.

The group of nearly 100 media personnel from Turkey, Spain and Germany were hosted at the Spanish resort, from last Tuesday to Friday.

http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20091108/news/news5.html

Hummingbird had posted that Jamaica is in talks with a number of carriers in Europe and South America - well I understand that shortly the GOJ will announce details of that.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-07 22:05:29 and read 19736 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 102):
Boscobel is just outside of Ocho Rios which is quite convenient as Chris Blackwell and his Island Outpost resort that caters to the top end market will certainly prefer that option instead of landing at MBJ or for that fact.

How far is Boscobel from the Drax Hall Development?

Quoting JM079 (Reply 102):
For every $1.00 that a tourist spends in Jamaica $0.70 stays in the country. A remarkable achievement bearing in mind that other destinations in the region are not seeing that retension.

That is a very high retention rate and must commend The GOJ in taking steps to increase this rate..Just imagine the amount of revenue The GOJ will earn once they open the first casino property..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 102):
It is going to be an interesting scene in the next few months as Airtran will be taking them at ATL but will FL also commence service to KIN?

I believe with an increase in business activities, Airtran may look at serving the business traffic in KIN via it's ATL hub...

Their current business plan is focused towards leisure traffic, but in a few years, they make take a new step in looking at VFR/tourist routes to the Caribbean..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 102):
Most of us were stunned when they got out of the code-share with JM and overnite they became the dominant carrier on the ATL - MBJ route. As for the ATL-KIN route they continue to send mix signal with a frequent switch in aircraft.

Looking at their international expansions, they have had some profit and some loss, but DL, took a chance in Africa and is now reaping benefits....

Quoting JM079 (Reply 103):
"This is a major breakthrough, as we haven't been growing as we should in the last six to seven years," Lynch said during a press conference at Riu Ocho Rios, hours after addressing the largest contingent of European media persons to ever visit the island.

He said about 20 per cent of the people booking want to go on road trips around the island. "They are shocked when they come to Jamaica and see the diversity that the country has to offer."

A commendable move in trying to increase the German market share..

As we have said after The Berlin Games, our athletes have left a positive impression on the European continent and it is good to see The JTB taking advantage of this situation..

Jamaica is one a few countries in the region that offers more than sun and beach experience..I could write about a few, but looking at what Europeans like, here is a compilation of interesting places they will visit..

http://www.outameni.com/experiencegallery.html

http://dojamaica.blogspot.com/2008/0...ntain-jamaicas-newest-tourist.html

http://www.chukkacaribbean.com/jamaica.php

http://www.jamaicarafting.com/Tour.htm

http://www.zipline-tours.com/

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-07 22:12:44 and read 19740 times.

CONGRATULATIONS: Air Jamaica again is awarded the trophy for being the leading carrier to the Caribbean for the year 2009. The news was made yesterday as the World Travel Awards were revealed. In addition the Jamaica Tourist Board, The Donald Songster International Airport was given the title as the Caribbean Leading Airport.

http://www.worldtravelawards.com/winners2009-6

The Jamaican thread is quite ecstatic and we feel honored with these accolades and hope that these recognition will bear more fruits.

ABSOLUTELY LOVELY.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-07 22:31:27 and read 19737 times.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 105):
The Jamaican thread is quite ecstatic and we feel honored with these accolades and hope that these recognition will bear more fruits.

Wow...Another near sweep as Berlin...

I guess there is no need to dispute why MBJ is "The Gateway to Paradise"...


Another award year for JM,Leading Caribbean Airline..Well done..






Add 2008 and 2009..

Celebration Time for the forum as this is highest award in The Travel Industry..

Good job to JTB and all involved in the travel and tourism industry..

[Edited 2009-11-07 22:38:31]

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-11-08 02:14:39 and read 19700 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 101):
I have to give DL some credit for their KIN services..At first, I was jeering their service due to their low LFs..But to now see them upgrading the equipment is a sign there is money to be made in KIN alongside JM and AA...
JFK-KIN will be year round Saturday service, starting December 19



Quoting JM079 (Reply 102):
Any keen watcher of how Delta operates know that they are very strategic in how they function. The impending arrival of them in KIN follows there usual approach: start of small and gradually grow. They are not following the approach of B6 with daily service and there is a reason for that.

Most of us were stunned when they got out of the code-share with JM and overnite they became the dominant carrier on the ATL - MBJ route. As for the ATL-KIN route they continue to send mix signal with a frequent switch in aircraft.

It is going to be an interesting scene in the next few months as Airtran will be taking them at ATL but will FL also commence service to KIN?

Typical DL approach where launching new routes are concerned. They are playing it cautiously. Test the waters a bit, then dive in if necessary. Think they had a similar code share agreement with AM at ATL in the past and then DL terminated it after a while and ofcourse AM eventually abandon the '' Peach Tree City. '' Read where they ( AM ) were planning to start CUN-ATL but guess they have shelved those plans for the time being. But it will be interesting to see how FL & DL battle it out on ATL-MBJ and also to see if FL will venture into KIN from ATL.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 103):
Jamaica's performance in the Berlin Games is paying off big time as the publicity it generated about the country will manifest it self in one of the biggest deal that the country is about to sign with one of Germany's largest tour company - TUI DEUTSCHLAND>



Quoting JM079 (Reply 103):
Hummingbird had posted that Jamaica is in talks with a number of carriers in Europe and South America - well I understand that shortly the GOJ will announce details of that.

Very interesting news. Looking forward to this announcement.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 104):
Looking at their international expansions, they have had some profit and some loss, but DL, took a chance in Africa and is now reaping benefits....

They also had to shrug off the '' drama '' from some officials when they entered the Africa market that accused them of deploying older aircraft to those destinations. Non issue IMO as some of those same aircraft also serve other top European cities. DL also seem to have influenced other carriers to expand into Africa as recently UA announced new services to Lagos and Accra starting next year.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 104):
A commendable move in trying to increase the German market share..

As we have said after The Berlin Games, our athletes have left a positive impression on the European continent and it is good to see The JTB taking advantage of this situation..

Indeed. I am positive we will see good results from their efforts.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 105):
CONGRATULATIONS: Air Jamaica again is awarded the trophy for being the leading carrier to the Caribbean for the year 2009. The news was made yesterday as the World Travel Awards were revealed. In addition the Jamaica Tourist Board, The Donald Songster International Airport was given the title as the Caribbean Leading Airport.

http://www.worldtravelawards.com/winners2009-6

The Jamaican thread is quite ecstatic and we feel honored with these accolades and hope that these recognition will bear more fruits.

ABSOLUTELY LOVELY.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 106):
...Another near sweep as Berlin...



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 106):
I guess there is no need to dispute why MBJ is "The Gateway to Paradise"...



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 106):
Another award year for JM,Leading Caribbean Airline..Well done



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 106):
Add 2008 and 2009..

Celebration Time for the forum as this is highest award in The Travel Industry..

Good job to JTB and all involved in the travel and tourism industry..

Very pleased to read about MBJ & JM copping these prestigeous international awards. Undoubtedly this news will come as a big shocker for some. The hard work the industry leaders have been putting in has certainly paid off in many ways and from the look of things there is more to come later down the road. Impressive.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-08 10:25:33 and read 19643 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 104):
A commendable move in trying to increase the German market share..

HB, these attractions are just a mere fraction of what the country has to offer as there are tours and excursions that are not so formal in nature.

But I think that in a matter of time others will be more openly marketed.

What should be noted that these attractions are in the tourist mecca of MBJ and OCJ.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 106):
Wow...Another near sweep as Berlin...

I guess there is no need to dispute why MBJ is "The Gateway to Paradise"...

Was there ever a doubt about that? The decision of the GOJ to put the airport in private hands has significantly enhance the facility as anyone who has passed thru can attest to its attractiveness and the level of service it has to offer.

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 107):
But it will be interesting to see how FL & DL battle it out on ATL-MBJ and also to see if FL will venture into KIN from ATL.

My take on that is KIN or MBJ will be the benifactor as passengers will have a choice of carrier and will make fares competitive.

In addition the more carriers you have arriving at KIN will definitely make it a major gateway and ultimately a hub.

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 107):
Indeed. I am positive we will see good results from their efforts.

If we were to judge the JTB by the level of work that they are doing here in Canada to grow the industry then I know for sure that the team that is in Europe and Germany will be doing there utmost to compete with Canada. So, I am agreeing that come next winter the result of there efforts will be seen.

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 107):
Very pleased to read about MBJ & JM copping these prestigeous international awards. Undoubtedly this news will come as a big shocker for some.

There is a little boy from the Caribbean thread who continues to make a nusiance of himself by continuing to make comments and post in here about Air Jamaica and Jamaica which is mind boggling. They are neither relevant or factual and is merely done to be mischevious. I can't remember his user name but I hope that shuts him up once and for all. His childish semanics is not welcome and as a matter of fact is not intelligent not one bit.

If you notice that none of us from the Jamaica thread has continue there to make a post or comment on matters outside of Jamaica.

There are no off hand comments that would imply rudeness.

The focus here is about Jamaica aviation and tourism related sectors.

Lets hope that a leaf from the Jamaica thread can be followed .

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: Caribbean484
Posted 2009-11-08 11:17:39 and read 19620 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 108):

This is the first time in a long time since I have posted on a.net and on this forum.
I really thought that we got past the usual name calling and personal bashing on the forums and moved on to talk about something that we all enjoy, Aviation.
We all know to whom this reference is made, lets end it there and move on from the silliness.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 105):
CONGRATULATIONS: Air Jamaica again is awarded the trophy for being the leading carrier to the Caribbean for the year 2009. The news was made yesterday as the World Travel Awards were revealed.

To be fair I am not sure how this is measure at all, Jamaica is not just the Caribbean, there are many islands that makes up the Caribbean and JM only flies to 6 Caribbean Airports, 4 of them barely daily. We have airlines like B6, AA, BA, LI and others who have more service than JM to the Caribbean and they are no where near that list of Leading Airlines to the Caribbean?
Well In any case Congratulations to them, despite some difficulties they encountered the last year.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 94):
Another attempt is being made to get the Government to break its silence on the long-awaited divestment of Air Jamaica.

Its been over 6 months now and no exact word on what is going on, this is crazy.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 94):
Pilots should be given a chance to outline Air J bid - BITU

Not at all, employees group should never run a company, JM has its challenges, IMO giving the airline to the Pilots will never happen and should never happen.

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 79):
Will they be operating JFK-BGI for the winter ? I noticed that on their route map in the online SkyWritings magazine they did not include that sector.

Nope, BGI is well covered with AA and B6, JM did not do well with AA there, with another both AA and B6 they are better off leaving BGI alone in the long run, unless both airlines leave the market.

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 79):

Just last week, British Airways recommenced service from Gatwick, London to Montego Bay, after an absence of seven years, while on Friday, JetBlue began service from New York to Kingston. ''

Well BA is marking its territory, as for B6 if it was not for work, I would have taken them up on those US$49 fares to KIN for quick getaway.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 74):
There was a report on tonight's news that the sale to VS is illegal and further actions will be taken for those who were involved in the process..

This entire scenario at the end VS sale will be seen as legal, as to the minister that is another story. Air Jamaica will never get those slots back if that is the attempt of the investigation.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-08 13:21:04 and read 19579 times.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 107):
But it will be interesting to see how FL & DL battle it out on ATL-MBJ and also to see if FL will venture into KIN from ATL

This type of competition is needed for destinations as MBJ that has a dependence on volume travel..DL's schedule from ATL is inconsistent, but they have an average 3 daily flights..As with DL, Airtran will use ATL as a hub..I do believe, they will be able to co-exist on this route as it is a mere stimulation to the market...

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 107):
DL also seem to have influenced other carriers to expand into Africa as recently UA announced new services to Lagos and Accra starting next year.

For this reason I give them credit for opening new doors to a new profitable market..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 107):
Very pleased to read about MBJ & JM copping these prestigeous international awards. Undoubtedly this news will come as a big shocker for some. The hard work the industry leaders have been putting in has certainly paid off in many ways and from the look of things there is more to come later down the road. Impressive.

I agree..Up to the time of judging, JM was still a full service carrier..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 108):
Was there ever a doubt about that? The decision of the GOJ to put the airport in private hands has significantly enhance the facility as anyone who has passed thru can attest to its attractiveness and the level of service it has to offer.

I agree, truly world class..

Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 109):
To be fair I am not sure how this is measure at all, Jamaica is not just the Caribbean, there are many islands that makes up the Caribbean and JM only flies to 6 Caribbean Airports, 4 of them barely daily. We have airlines like B6, AA, BA, LI and others who have more service than JM to the Caribbean and they are no where near that list of Leading Airlines to the Caribbean?
Well In any case Congratulations to them, despite some difficulties they encountered the last year.

It is a serviced based award..
The criterion used is based on the carrier's level of service, an the authenticity of the product..
B6 is an ULCC who recently started it's Caribbean expansion..
AA and DL are mere people movers..Their economy service to some destinations in the region is non-existent..
JM and BW were the only full service carriers in the region..The advantage JM "had" at the time of judging was the complimentary champagne in econony with a hot meal, its recognised business class product which offers a-la-carte service and it's known brand....

Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 109):
Its been over 6 months now and no exact word on what is going on, this is crazy.

For the most part, everything is being silenced..But lets see who will be the bearer of the forthcoming news..

Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 109):
Not at all, employees group should never run a company, JM has its challenges, IMO giving the airline to the Pilots will never happen and should never happen.

It depends, as some aspects of the current business plan has worked for them so far...But, the pilots will have little say in the operations as the financial backers will be the ultimate decision makers....Its a very complex situation, but we have to wait and see what happens in the end..

Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 109):
This entire scenario at the end VS sale will be seen as legal, as to the minister that is another story. Air Jamaica will never get those slots back if that is the attempt of the investigation.

I agree, however international ethics is being used to cover the real truth behind this investigation..If and when the truth is revealed, reputations will be at stake..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 108):
But I think that in a matter of time others will be more openly marketed.

What should be noted that these attractions are in the tourist mecca of MBJ and OCJ.

What is also beneficial is the scenic tour getting to these attractions...

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-08 13:23:08 and read 19580 times.



Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 109):
I really thought that we got past the usual name calling and personal bashing on the forums and moved on to talk about something that we all enjoy, Aviation.

I am profoundly astounded that such a statement could be made when viewed against the issue that I had raised earlier in this thread and the one you particpated in quite often. What we saw were commentings and posting that were inconsistence with the very rules you are highlighting yet we have never seen a comment from you or others that says they were wrong.

We have had a barage of sly comments about Air Jamaica and Jamaica. So, I find it quite interesting that you choose to comment about my statement yet still you ignore the issue that I raised.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: LimaMike
Posted 2009-11-08 14:16:41 and read 19553 times.

To all concerned, I make an impassioned plea to not have the thread descend once again into a pipe-side quarrel. I understand that each of us are equally proud of our nationalities/ national carriers etc. but please let us not become fanatics simply because of blind nationalism. I thought a conscious decision was made by all posters to this forum NOT to respond to/acknowledge derogatory posts deliberately made by others with a view to stir mischief. For the most part that has been successful and the last few editions of the thread have progressed with few hindrances from negative elements.

That being said, let us endeavor to keep our posts informative, useful, and most importantly, free of offensive/defamatory comments. Additionally, while this is a "Jamaican" aviation thread, let us continue to embrace and welcome the contributions and participation of our many "visitors" and enthusiasts...of course provided that forum/thread rules are adhered to.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-08 15:35:38 and read 19519 times.



Quoting LimaMike (Reply 112):

Absolutely agreeing.


 bigthumbsup   bigthumbsup   bigthumbsup   bigthumbsup 

http://www.sunheraldja.com/2009/11/m...n-breaches-airport-security-rules/

What is wrong with politicians? Why do they think they are above the law?

We had an incident back in April in which a major international incident with Canjet and a young man which resulted in the MBJ airport implementing stronger security measures.

But, news out of MBJ today is that the Minister of Agriculture has admitted that he breached security measures at the MBJ airport.


....."Agriculture minister Dr Christopher Tufton admits that he might have breached security rules at the Sangster International Airport when he disobeyed instructions from a security officer not to
enter a sterile area without having a pass.

The minister’s behaviour was reported to the Civil Aviation Authority and the management of the airport where security has been tightened following the attempted hijacking of a Canjet airline earlier this year.

Minister Tufton explained that while attending a meeting of agriculture ministers in the Americas last month, he went to the airport to meet an official who was here as a guest of the government.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: Caribbean484
Posted 2009-11-08 16:02:52 and read 19516 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 111):
What we saw were commentings and posting that were inconsistence with the very rules you are highlighting yet we have never seen a comment from you or others that says they were wrong.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 111):
We have had a barage of sly comments about Air Jamaica and Jamaica. So, I find it quite interesting that you choose to comment about my statement yet still you ignore the issue that I raised.

After the battles on the forums, when I have a problem with someone I use the instant message icon and wright them of my displeasure in their post. I do not make it a case to bring it to the forum as this is not the place to seattle displeasure. What you did IMO was to make a public battle once again that is not warranted. Your post is no different that the person you claim as being childlike. Your presonal displeasure towards someone should be taken to mods or IM the person. I will not make any more refrences to this argument.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 110):
For the most part, everything is being silenced..But lets see who will be the bearer of the forthcoming news..

Well hopefully we hear something very soon, JM needs to be recapialized in order to keep on functioning. Their business plan has worked so far, but without a cash balance and low debt, it will continue to be the same situation. Hopefully we will know soon.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 110):
It depends, as some aspects of the current business plan has worked for them so far...But, the pilots will have little say in the operations as the financial backers will be the ultimate decision makers....Its a very complex situation, but we have to wait and see what happens in the end..

Yes, I fear the pilots are worried about either pay cuts, benefits lost or job loses, either way, giving then the airline is not what JM needs.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 110):
I agree, however international ethics is being used to cover the real truth behind this investigation..If and when the truth is revealed, reputations will be at stake..

Yes the minister involved will have to answer for his hand in this.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-11-08 22:45:16 and read 19427 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 108):
My take on that is KIN or MBJ will be the benifactor as passengers will have a choice of carrier and will make fares competitive.

In addition the more carriers you have arriving at KIN will definitely make it a major gateway and ultimately a hub.

Agree. The traveling public will benefit immensely from competitive airfares and the airlines will all endeavour to provide good customer service in order to compete for passengers. Not to mention the increased revenues that the airport earn with these additional services. A win win situation in many aspects.

Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 109):
Well BA is marking its territory, as for B6 if it was not for work, I would have taken them up on those US$49 fares to KIN for quick getaway.

BA is making a ( VERY ) clear statement where their Caribbean operations in general is concerned. I was expecting them to be back in MBJ sooner or later, subsidy or no subsidy. Also as I have stated in previous threads, despite their grumblings in the past re a KIN subsidy, they were not going to just abandon the city for VS to be the lone ranger there. Regarding those B6 introductory fares, in these frugal times many would jump at that offer asap no doubt.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 110):
This type of competition is needed for destinations as MBJ that has a dependence on volume travel..DL's schedule from ATL is inconsistent, but they have an average 3 daily flights..As with DL, Airtran will use ATL as a hub..I do believe, they will be able to co-exist on this route as it is a mere stimulation to the market...

Again another win win situation I think. I too believe at the end of the day they will co exist on ATL-MBJ. They do likewise on many other routes out of ATL. Speaking of ATL I will be flying there on Nov 26th. How I wish it was JM doing the honours but will have to use AA through MIA which I was trying to avoid. DL's CRJ is operating KIN-ATL on that day as well but they are more expensive. DL's nonstops from MBJ were also much more expensive when compared with AA so will have to settle with the '' eagle '' this time around.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 110):
For this reason I give them credit for opening new doors to a new profitable market..

DL is also eyeing more destinations in that continent as well.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 113):
What is wrong with politicians? Why do they think they are above the law?

We had an incident back in April in which a major international incident with Canjet and a young man which resulted in the MBJ airport implementing stronger security measures.

But, news out of MBJ today is that the Minister of Agriculture has admitted that he breached security measures at the MBJ airport.

Seems there was a break-down in communication about his meeting an official at MBJ but in any case the area is restricted and often times it is such behaviour that cause altercations at airports with security personnel and politicians, media personnel, entertainers etc. The situation could have been handled differently IMO. Apart from security breaches there is also the situation where some popular media peronalities, artists etc feel they are above going through the routine baggage checks etc and of course inevitably this leads to confrontation.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-08 22:58:09 and read 19422 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 113):
....."Agriculture minister Dr Christopher Tufton admits that he might have breached security rules at the Sangster International Airport when he disobeyed instructions from a security officer not to
enter a sterile area without having a pass.

The minister%u2019s behaviour was reported to the Civil Aviation Authority and the management of the airport where security has been tightened following the attempted hijacking of a Canjet airline earlier this year.

Minister Tufton explained that while attending a meeting of agriculture ministers in the Americas last month, he went to the airport to meet an official who was here as a guest of the government.

I believe these officilas should be held accountable for these actions..Have we yet to learn anything from the Canjet incident..

Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 114):
Well hopefully we hear something very soon, JM needs to be recapialized in order to keep on functioning. Their business plan has worked so far, but without a cash balance and low debt, it will continue to be the same situation. Hopefully we will know soon.

To be honest, we can only hope for a miracle.....
All these constant delays will eventually cost the GOJ more than they had expected to spend...

Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 114):
Yes, I fear the pilots are worried about either pay cuts, benefits lost or job loses, either way, giving then the airline is not what JM needs.

As much as I support their cause to maintain their jobs, perhaps they should use the same capital and start a new carrier with a fresh balance sheet..

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-09 11:09:57 and read 19352 times.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 115):

Agree. The traveling public will benefit immensely from competitive airfares and the airlines will all endeavour to provide good customer service in order to compete for passengers. Not to mention the increased revenues that the airport earn with these additional services. A win win situation in many aspects.

The recent statements from the airport authority to the effect that they want to diversify the sort of traffic that passes thru KIN was something that we have not highlighted. We have accepted that the volumne of traffic was always VFR. Moving tourist through was always done but on a smaller scale. Air Canada Vacation in the past used KIN as the gateway for its hotels in Portland such as Trident Villa and Jamaica Palace.

But upping the volumne of traffic seems to be a clear strategy as it was announced that the operators of the SIA wants to manage KIN along the lines of how SIA is being runned. It seems like the AAJ is making NMIA an attractive investment tool with its cargo operations, high VFR traffic and with the flow of tourist to the eastern and north east region. The expansion of the airport road as well as the highway 2000 by-pass to Ocho Rios is obviously fueling this drive.

I think the operator of SIA would welcome this - if it so happen that they gain control of NMIA.

They would reap a good return on there investment as KIN would not be in a different hand which would be competing against them.

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 115):

Regarding those B6 introductory fares, in these frugal times many would jump at that offer asap no doubt.

I had looked at those B6 fares and they were time-specific - only available for certain dates.

B6 is promoting there service heavily to KIN from NYC but what I find intriguing is that they are not doing the same for Jamaicans who want to travel to NYC. Is this a strategy to stay away from JM home turf?

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 115):

Seems there was a break-down in communication about his meeting an official at MBJ but in any case the area is restricted and often times it is such behaviour that cause altercations at airports with security personnel and politicians, media personnel, entertainers etc.

I was floored when I read the report. If this guy was a government minister here in Canada - he would have lost his job.

We are still aware of that major incident back in April. Evidently, there are still more to be done in terms of making the airport more secure as just about any body can breech the security if you are forceful enough.

Hey, nothing is going to come out of this - it is Jamaica.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 116):

As much as I support their cause to maintain their jobs, perhaps they should use the same capital and start a new carrier with a fresh balance sheet..

Am not sure I agree with that position because if the carrier did not have some good will then they would not have made a proposal to invest in it. Evidently, they want to put in place a better system which would see a good return on there proposed investment.

There are examples of airline employees investing in airlines such as the case with United Airlines and there Employee Stock Ownership Plan

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-09 17:46:18 and read 19281 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 117):
The recent statements from the airport authority to the effect that they want to diversify the sort of traffic that passes thru KIN was something that we have not highlighted. We have accepted that the volumne of traffic was always VFR. Moving tourist through was always done but on a smaller scale. Air Canada Vacation in the past used KIN as the gateway for its hotels in Portland such as Trident Villa and Jamaica Palace.

I know BA and VS transport a significant amount of premium traffic to these places alongside other boutique properties in Jamaica..It is also intersting to note that many European pax who vacation in Ocho Rios often travel via KIN..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 117):
Am not sure I agree with that position because if the carrier did not have some good will then they would not have made a proposal to invest in it. Evidently, they want to put in place a better system which would see a good return on there proposed investment

I agree that the company has a profitable operations, and has the capacity for more growth..But, in the event their proposal is honoured, I would prefer to see a company with a fresh image and set of employees with high morale...I am not bashing the current staff, but I beleive there are people within the company that should never work in the customer service industry..Suffice to say, in some depts, most of the staff were hired based on their acquaintances...


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I heard the IMF is impressed with JM's books, but has concerns about the debt..They told The GOJ, in the event a buyer is not found they should close the company..

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-09 20:57:53 and read 19240 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 118):
I know BA and VS transport a significant amount of premium traffic to these places alongside other boutique properties in Jamaica..It is also intersting to note that many European pax who vacation in Ocho Rios often travel via KIN..

The northeast region which is where Port Antonio is - has positioned it self as the high end market with villas and palaces such as:

http://www.tridentcastle.com/html/history.html ( The hotel has a list of the rich and famous on its site)

http://www.jamaica-palacehotel.com/

The area is know to be quite popular with Germans and Italians

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 118):
I heard the IMF is impressed with JM's books, but has concerns about the debt..They told The GOJ, in the event a buyer is not found they should close the company..

The argument is being made that the GOJ will have to decide if the carrier is worth maintaining. The former CEO who now has responsibility for JM will have to factor in the worth and the contribution of JM to the economy and make that determination.

The government has announced that by April 1 all government own companies including Air Jamaica will have to justify its existence.

There are over 200 companies that will either be closed or merged.

So, if a decision is made to close JM then I suspect that you will see a gradual shutting down of operations by the end of 2010.

If you were to look at the existing route network from North America it is easily covered by either AA, DL, US, NK and B6. Delta and JetBlue will definitely take over the profitable NYC- KIN route with B6 and NK at FLL to KIN.

The YYZ route is something that Air Canada will cover but there will be severe difficulties on the KIN to HAV /NAS and the MBJ - CUR routes. But the government am sure will naturally engage Caribbean Airlines to service these routes.

But am sure the closure will have a major short term impact which a lot of people will get accustom to. We have VS on the LON route and Jamaicans in the UK have embraced them.





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Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-09 21:49:42 and read 19237 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 119):
If you were to look at the existing route network from North America it is easily covered by either AA, DL, US, NK and B6. Delta and JetBlue will definitely take over the profitable NYC- KIN route with B6 and NK at FLL to KIN.

I will hint to say, probably AA would enter JFK-KIN route....It would be nice to see all three carriers battling for the market share..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 119):
KIN to HAV /NAS and the MBJ - CUR routes. But the government am sure will naturally engage Caribbean Airlines to service these routes.

NAS could be served by UP..
HAV is already code shared with CU..
Insel Air could be an alternative to BW service....

If BW were to service these routes, they would have to create a mini focus city fin KIN..I believe their inbound crew from POS are restricted for that day..

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-09 22:33:39 and read 19235 times.

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sport...0-0500_163415_OBS_HASSLE_FREE_.asp

The report talks about the effort being made to facilitate the efficient movement of people in the Caribbean next year for the 20/20 cricket tournament. When the region host the major cricket tournament in 2007 they instituted a number of measures which will be repeated again in 2010.

But am not sure that if Air Jamaica will be participating in ferrying passengers this time around as none of the tournaments will be played in Jamaica.

......"Next year's tournament will take place in the islands of Barbados, Guyana, St Kitts and St Lucia between April 30 and May 16 next year..."

So, Caribbean and Liat will be playing a major role in this event.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 120):
I will hint to say, probably AA would enter JFK-KIN route....It would be nice to see all three carriers battling for the market share..

That would be significant return to the capital city. The government has so far engage them with revenue guarantees on the MIA/DFW/ORD market so it would not be far fetch this they follow route again.

But time will tell if this is the way to go.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 120):
NAS could be served by UP..

They did provide service to KIN in the past as for Cubana in KIN that too would be a viable as they had flights in the past.

The GOJ would engage BW far quicker than say Insel if it comes down to the two.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-11-10 06:19:02 and read 19187 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 117):
Air Canada Vacation in the past used KIN as the gateway for its hotels in Portland such as Trident Villa and Jamaica Palace.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 118):
I know BA and VS transport a significant amount of premium traffic to these places alongside other boutique properties in Jamaica..It is also intersting to note that many European pax who vacation in Ocho Rios often travel via KIN..



Quoting JM079 (Reply 119):
The northeast region which is where Port Antonio is - has positioned it self as the high end market with villas and palaces such as:

http://www.tridentcastle.com/html/history.html ( The hotel has a list of the rich and famous on its site)

http://www.jamaica-palacehotel.com/

The area is know to be quite popular with Germans and Italians

I hope they will keep up this momentum in promoting resort areas in the Northeastern region of Jamaica and channel those visitors via KIN. I fully endorse the attempt to diversify the type of traffic flow into KIN.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 117):
I had looked at those B6 fares and they were time-specific - only available for certain dates.

B6 is promoting there service heavily to KIN from NYC but what I find intriguing is that they are not doing the same for Jamaicans who want to travel to NYC. Is this a strategy to stay away from JM home turf?

Interesting. Overall I notice that in general their fares are roughly 20% cheaper than the majors. I figure their recent promotional fares would have many restrictions attached to it. I thought the promotional fares applied in both directions at the time.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 118):
Suffice to say, in some depts, most of the staff were hired based on their acquaintances...

My friend who work at JM told me same some time ago re the issue of nepotism there. She said it is no rumour. Fact. Where customer service is concerned though, there will always be a few bad apples among the good ones.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 120):
I will hint to say, probably AA would enter JFK-KIN route



Quoting JM079 (Reply 121):
That would be significant return to the capital city.

More than likely we would see their B752's and B767's gracing KIN's tarmac from JFK again if JM disappeared. Lets hope it does not boil down to that though where JM '' was ''.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-10 10:12:08 and read 19153 times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pggfLOuRZAw&feature=related

The Jamaica Tourist Board is again running this promo video that looks at Jamaica and the facilities it offers. In this instance all the resorts are looked at.

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 122):
More than likely we would see their B752's and B767's gracing KIN's tarmac from JFK again if JM disappeared. Lets hope it does not boil down to that though where JM '' was ''.

Agreeing as the market does exist which will support the 767. Insofar as Delta there once weekly service will see the 757.

BTW: Am not sure if this was mention earlier but CO is using there 757 out of MBJ to EWR.

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 122):
I hope they will keep up this momentum in promoting resort areas in the Northeastern region of Jamaica and channel those visitors via KIN. I fully endorse the attempt to diversify the type of traffic flow into KIN.

The northcoast highway, which is almost completed, will reduce the lenght of time it takes to get from MBJ to Portland which will be ideal for visitors that will arriving by charters.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-10 18:54:49 and read 19084 times.

Jamaica's tourism has recieved another major award from Travel Agents across the USA.

......"Jamaica has been a favorite of travel agents and the clients they represent for years, so it’s no shock that Recommend readers awarded this year’s best selling destination in the Caribbean award to Jamaica.

According to Basil Smith, director of the Jamaica Tourist Board, this year’s award is the result of a mutual respect and admiration between the destination and the agents who sell it. After all, the island has managed to cultivate exactly the type of product that’s easy to sell: innovative and high-demand hotel product in a laid-back, classically Caribbean setting. And in return, agents are treated to FAMs, a comprehensive education program, and, of course, hotel product that offers tremendous commission-earning possibilities. “Travel agents remain enormously valuable to Jamaica,” Smith says. “The success we’ve had is largely due to travel agents. Jamaica loves travel agents, I can tell you that.”

http://www.recommend.com/nm/template...x_ce.aspx?articleid=4045&zoneid=49

The people at JAMVAC and the JTB richly deserve these accolades. There efforts were also recognized by the World Travel Awards in the UK recently.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-10 19:15:16 and read 19080 times.

Jamaica is about to reactivate its national rail system which was suspended nearly fifteen years (the passenger section was suspended but it continued to operate hauling bauxite). China is providing financing in the amount of US$100 million.

The Railways of Jamaica, constructed from 1845, were the first railway lines opened to traffic outside Europe and North America but was closed because the previous government allowed it to run down.

This is great news for rail fans like myself as the newtwork covers the entire Island.

But the reactivated system will now include two new service catering to the tourism industry.


Namely:

1/ There is also a proposed rum tour by train from Montego Bay. This is being planned to
complement the development of the new Falmouth Cruise Ship Pier.

2/ Also in the mix is the Clarendon Express heritage and industrial tourism project.

The national rail is about to launch its website:

http://jamaicarailway.com/


This is a major boast to the tourism industry plus the system will link directly with the airport that is going up at Vernamfield.

[Edited 2009-11-10 19:18:12]

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: Yellowtail
Posted 2009-11-10 22:50:51 and read 19062 times.

Lots of chatter in the Caribbean section of the WTM about the "spare TA aircraft and what could be done with it"......I suspect now that JTB might be talking to TA

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-11 05:06:29 and read 19043 times.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 122):
More than likely we would see their B752's and B767's gracing KIN's tarmac from JFK again if JM disappeared. Lets hope it does not boil down to that though where JM '' was ''.

That is dependent on the Divestment Committee and The GOJ..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 121):
The government has so far engage them with revenue guarantees on the MIA/DFW/ORD market so it would not be far fetch this they follow route again.

For KIN...I doubt it..Not when you have B6 and DL lurking around for a larger market share..

Its funny that AA was not able to make ORD work with the guarantees, now they are re-launching the route on their own..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 121):
The GOJ would engage BW far quicker than say Insel if it comes down to the two.

This I would agree, as Insel's MDs cannot handle the bags on this sector....
However, any engagement must stipulate a nonstop service..If the flights are routed via POS, it will leave the door open for a new carrier to offer nonstop service..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 123):
The Jamaica Tourist Board is again running this promo video that looks at Jamaica and the facilities it offers. In this instance all the resorts are looked at.

Nice video..I love how it represents a diversified vacation experience....

Quoting JM079 (Reply 124):
......"Jamaica has been a favorite of travel agents and the clients they represent for years, so it%u2019s no shock that Recommend readers awarded this year%u2019s best selling destination in the Caribbean award to Jamaica.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 124):
The people at JAMVAC and the JTB richly deserve these accolades. There efforts were also recognized by the World Travel Awards in the UK recently.

Well done..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 125):
1/ There is also a proposed rum tour by train from Montego Bay. This is being planned to
complement the development of the new Falmouth Cruise Ship Pier.

2/ Also in the mix is the Clarendon Express heritage and industrial tourism project.

Anyone who has experienced The former Governor's Coach Experience will attest, this rum tour will be a hit...Nice to see such colloboration in trying to re-invent this unique experience..


There is an article in Flightglobal about GOL looking at re-introducing their B767 for Caribbean operations..I am aware Mr Bartlett previously mentioned a new Brazil-Jamaica service, but Gol's B737s lack the range for these flights..Could it be, maybe we could see GOL's B767 on the Jamaica-Brazil route?

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...one-767-for-caribbean-flights.html

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-11-11 09:47:49 and read 19003 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 121):
That would be significant return to the capital city. The government has so far engage them with revenue guarantees on the MIA/DFW/ORD market so it would not be far fetch this they follow route again.

But time will tell if this is the way to go.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 127):
For KIN...I doubt it..Not when you have B6 and DL lurking around for a larger market share..

If B6 and DL wasn't in the picture and AA requested a gurantee to operate JFK-KIN, in a situation where JM was no longer operational then I would expect the GOJ to oblige them, but in the current scheme of things I would be shocked if they gave them one.


Quoting JM079 (Reply 123):
Agreeing as the market does exist which will support the 767.

Over the years I have seen AA operate the DC10**, A300, B767 & the B752's on JFK-KIN when they operated that route.

** Rarely saw this aircraft on the route though. Only on two occassions in the late 80's. Guess it was a more frequent visitor to MBJ.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 123):
BTW: Am not sure if this was mention earlier but CO is using there 757 out of MBJ to EWR.

Think you were the one who broke that news in the previous thread. Is this the first time that CO is operating the B752's on EWR-MBJ ? I remember the days when they had one daily B727 into both KIN & MBJ when they initially started services to the island. Then came the B737's when they got their current livery. My cousins usually fly them into KIN when they had services here but they said flights were usually empty for the most part.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 123):
The northcoast highway, which is almost completed, will reduce the lenght of time it takes to get from MBJ to Portland which will be ideal for visitors that will arriving by charters.

Drive time will be reduced significantly indeed which would be welcome news by those arriving into MBJ via charters.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 124):
Jamaica's tourism has recieved another major award from Travel Agents across the USA.

......"Jamaica has been a favorite of travel agents and the clients they represent for years, so it’s no shock that Recommend readers awarded this year’s best selling destination in the Caribbean award to Jamaica.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 124):
The people at JAMVAC and the JTB richly deserve these accolades. There efforts were also recognized by the World Travel Awards in the UK recently.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 127):
Well done..

Well deserved award. Jamvac & JTB have really worked assiduously and still continue to do so.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 125):
This is a major boast to the tourism industry plus the system will link directly with the airport that is going up at Vernamfield.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 127):
Anyone who has experienced The former Governor's Coach Experience will attest, this rum tour will be a hit...Nice to see such colloboration in trying to re-invent this unique experience..

Great development to add to the diversity of Jamaica's tourism product. I too agree that the Rum tour will be a successful venture.

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 126):
Lots of chatter in the Caribbean section of the WTM about the "spare TA aircraft and what could be done with it"......I suspect now that JTB might be talking to TA

I hope so.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 127):
Its funny that AA was not able to make ORD work with the guarantees, now they are re-launching the route on their own..

With the B738's. I am wondering why they didn't use that aircraft type when they initially started ORD-MBJ. They had been eyeing ORD-MBJ for quite some time before the GOJ offered them the revenue guarantee.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 127):
There is an article in Flightglobal about GOL looking at re-introducing their B767 for Caribbean operations..I am aware Mr Bartlett previously mentioned a new Brazil-Jamaica service, but Gol's B737s lack the range for these flights..Could it be, maybe we could see GOL's B767 on the Jamaica-Brazil route?

Quite a possibility. The article emphasised the strong demand for charter flights to the Caribbean and I am certain this news is quite encouraging to the JTB.


**************************************************************************************************

Sandals did it again..........


Sandals sweeps World Travel Awards in London

Luxury Included chain triumphs with unequalled 12-trophy haul


'' LONDON, England - Sandals Resorts International (SRI) dominated the 16th Annual World Travel Awards, the 'Oscars' of the travel industry, sweeping 12 top award categories, including World's leading All-Inclusive Company for the 14th year in a row and Caribbean's Leading Hotel Brand for the 16th consecutive year.

SRI founder and chairman Gordon 'Butch' Stewart and CEO Adam Stewart joined a constellation of world star personalities on hand to witness the presentation of awards at a glitzy ceremony on Saturday, November 7, 2009 at Grosvenor House, Park Lane in London.

Contestants from Asia, Australia, the Caribbean and South America battled it out before the start of London's World Travel Market 2009, marking the culmination of a year-long quest to find the very best travel brands in the world. The search covered seven continents, 3,600 nominees and over 183,000 votes. ''

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/..._WORLD_TRAVEL_AWARDS_IN_LONDON.asp

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-11 10:23:54 and read 18993 times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emsMk0Q8Fkk&feature=related

A video showing a stunning vista of the landscape Jamaica.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 127):
That is dependent on the Divestment Committee and The GOJ..

Well, if we were to go by the statements in that report from the Jamaica Herald that COPA is giving a guarantee to operate the PTY-KIN route what is there to stop them from doing so again with regards to get AA to start the New York. The justification has been used quite frequent is that these legacy carriers have an extensive route work and can better serve Jamaica interest. I am also not discounting it as we now have the Aiport Authority president saying that it is there intention to promote KIN as tourist gateway as well. I pointed out earlier that the infrastructural work such as the rebuilding of the airport roads and the highway extension into the northeast corrider are all happening now. Plus there is the impending sale of NMIA.

So, getting them back to KIN by using guarantee will not be out of the ordinary.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 127):
Well done..

The JTB and JAMVAC have done a very good job of promoting Jamaica . I was looking at this video and it sort of give you a sense of there message. The focus is not just on the sun and sea but all the elements that makes for a good destination.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DyVo...I&feature=rec-LGOUT-real_rev-rn-HM

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 127):
Anyone who has experienced The former Governor's Coach Experience will attest, this rum tour will be a hit...Nice to see such colloboration in trying to re-invent this unique experience

That aspect of the rail is coming back on stream shortly as it will be a part of the various attractions that have been implemented to diversify the tourism product. In the past this tour was highly popular and I still can't figure why it was allowed to stop when the then GOJ suspended the rail.

But I was looking at the archive of the Jamaica Rail and I came across a map of there route network.

http://www.bwiphilately.com/jamrwy/Map.html

It was a very extensive network.

But what is interesting this time around is that the airport at Vernamfield will see the system extended there.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 127):
There is an article in Flightglobal about GOL looking at re-introducing their B767 for Caribbean operations

My exact views on that. I think that the JTB and JAMVAC should make a concerted effort to entice GOL to MBJ as it would meet the requirements of introducing new markets and there have been so many discussions about entering the Brazilian market.

Superclubs already has a resort in northern Brazil.

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 126):
I suspect now that JTB might be talking to TA

I think it is a good opportunity and I would like to see them move on it.

The recent signing of the Mexico-Jamaica air service agreement is good but it does not necessarily say actual air service will be introduce anytime soon. This is another way of connecting to South and Central America.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-11 13:32:29 and read 18971 times.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 128):
Great development to add to the diversity of Jamaica's tourism product. I too agree that the Rum tour will be a successful venture.

The tour of the estate is still in effect and tourist continues to patronise it by using buses. But the train was a whole party of the charm which I understand will be reinstated. Appleton Estate which makes run has the following:

http://www.appletonrumtour.com/rumtour.html


The GOJ last month told the parliament that the Civil Aviation Authority will be buidling the new control towers at NMIA and SIA starting next year . Finally.

......."Among the major undertakings projected for the Civil Aviation Authority for this fiscal
year are capital expenditure projects inclusive of construction and equipping of control
towers at both the Norman Manley and Sangster international airports, as well as the
development of the aerodromes which were mentioned before.

http://www.mtw.gov.jm/general_inform...on/reports/hm-sectoral20092010.pdf

Negril Aerodrome which has significant operating restrictions such as it proxity to the various hotels and the lenght of the runway will also be expanded to accomodate private planes- similarily along the lines of what is proposed for Boscobel Airport.



http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/glean...r/20091009/business/business3.html

The GOJ is selling its take in the Pegasus hotel in Kingston and there is talks that a number of oversee chains are interested in running it. There is much talk about Hyatt, Four Seasons and Intercontinental making a bidding for it.

The successful bidder will be know shortly.

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 128):
Sandals sweeps World Travel Awards in London

Sandals and others richly deserve this award and it was at the same event that Air Jamaica was again given the recognition for its excellent service to the Caribbean.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-11 17:33:55 and read 18928 times.

Today:
DE has two flights arriving into MBJ from FRA..One of the flight stops in Holguin...

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 128):
If B6 and DL wasn't in the picture and AA requested a gurantee to operate JFK-KIN, in a situation where JM was no longer operational then I would expect the GOJ to oblige them, but in the current scheme of things I would be shocked if they gave them one.

I believe,The GOJ has learned from their mistake..If they decide too give subsidy to any carrier, B6 will have preference..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 128):
Over the years I have seen AA operate the DC10**, A300, B767 & the B752's on JFK-KIN when they operated that route.

** Rarely saw this aircraft on the route though. Only on two occassions in the late 80's. Guess it was a more frequent visitor to MBJ.

I travelled on the DC-10 MIA-MBJ...In those days AA had 2 flights to MIA, the first was the B727 7am morning flight..The DC-10 operated the afternoon flight..Nothing special except for the uncomfortbale 3-4-3 seating.

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 128):
Think you were the one who broke that news in the previous thread. Is this the first time that CO is operating the B752's on EWR-MBJ ? I remember the days when they had one daily B727 into both KIN & MBJ when they initially started services to the island. Then came the B737's when they got their current livery. My cousins usually fly them into KIN when they had services here but they said flights were usually empty for the most part.

They used the B727-200 until the cancelled services in the late 1990s...When they relaunched service in Dec 2002 they used their B737-800.....The flight was routed EWR-MBJ-KIN..They were not allowed to sell seats between MBJ and KIN..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 128):
Great development to add to the diversity of Jamaica's tourism product. I too agree that the Rum tour will be a successful venture.

Agree..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 128):
With the B738's. I am wondering why they didn't use that aircraft type when they initially started ORD-MBJ. They had been eyeing ORD-MBJ for quite some time before the GOJ offered them the revenue guarantee.

They tried to match the capacity requirement by using the B757..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 128):
'' LONDON, England - Sandals Resorts International (SRI) dominated the 16th Annual World Travel Awards, the 'Oscars' of the travel industry, sweeping 12 top award categories, including World's leading All-Inclusive Company for the 14th year in a row and Caribbean's Leading Hotel Brand for the 16th consecutive year.

Looking at how they transformed the Sandal chain, they deserve all these accolades..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 129):
Well, if we were to go by the statements in that report from the Jamaica Herald that COPA is giving a guarantee to operate the PTY-KIN route what is there to stop them from doing so again with regards to get AA to start the New York. The justification has been used quite frequent is that these legacy carriers have an extensive route work and can better serve Jamaica interest. I am also not discounting it as we now have the Aiport Authority president saying that it is there intention to promote KIN as tourist gateway as well. I pointed out earlier that the infrastructural work such as the rebuilding of the airport roads and the highway extension into the northeast corrider are all happening now. Plus there is the impending sale of NMIA.

So, getting them back to KIN by using guarantee will not be out of the ordinary.

I tried to see the reason behind giving guarantees to CM..Is it that they are the only direct service between Kingston and Central America??....I would assume the ICI and business traffic would sustain this flight!!!!

Quoting JM079 (Reply 129):
The focus is not just on the sun and sea but all the elements that makes for a good destination.

So far, it has been working to our advantage..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 129):
It was a very extensive network.

But what is interesting this time around is that the airport at Vernamfield will see the system extended there.

Very effiicient transport network....

Quoting JM079 (Reply 129):
My exact views on that. I think that the JTB and JAMVAC should make a concerted effort to entice GOL to MBJ as it would meet the requirements of introducing new markets and there have been so many discussions about entering the Brazilian market.

I believe GOL, being a LCC would probably be in their best interest for the Brazil-Jamaica flight..They have a focus city in GRU, which would provide connections to other cities..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 129):
The recent signing of the Mexico-Jamaica air service agreement is good but it does not necessarily say actual air service will be introduce anytime soon. This is another way of connecting to South and Central America.

Last week, on the news, they mentioned they will use MEX and Acupulco to feed flights into Central America..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 130):
The tour of the estate is still in effect and tourist continues to patronise it by using buses. But the train was a whole party of the charm which I understand will be reinstated. Appleton Estate which makes run has the following:

Agree..The train normally travels alongside the mountain that provides an panoramic view of the Montego Bay coastline..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 130):
Negril Aerodrome which has significant operating restrictions such as it proxity to the various hotels and the lenght of the runway will also be expanded to accomodate private planes- similarily along the lines of what is proposed for Boscobel Airport.

Its long overdue....However, I have my reservations about this airport as it in located in the centre of all development...I can see flights being restricted to day only..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 130):
The GOJ is selling its take in the Pegasus hotel in Kingston and there is talks that a number of oversee chains are interested in running it. There is much talk about Hyatt, Four Seasons and Intercontinental making a bidding for it.

The successful bidder will be know shortly.

Four Seasons will definitely add class to Kingston...

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-11 23:33:29 and read 18886 times.



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 126):

Jamaica's tourist minister is in attendance at the forum:

...."Declaring that tourism offers the most lucrative value chain for potential investors, Tourism Minister, the Hon Edmund Bartlett, set out some of the benefits Jamaica offers to potential investors on Tuesday (November 10).

The Minister was the main speaker at the Jamaica Trade and Invest's (JTI) Tourism Investment Seminar, held in London to coincide with this year's World Travel Market, currently underway at the ExCel Exhibition Centre.

"We are providing you with the options for investment. Tourism has the longest, largest, deepest, widest and most lucrative value chain of all industries, with some 40 different industries and connections that feed naturally into tourism," he said.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-12 09:42:14 and read 18854 times.

NEWS UPDATE ON JM:

1/ Carrier has completed its laying off staff at all levels - management is affected as well.

2/ Union has reported that they were advised that the carrier is still talking to the bidder.

3/ Late bid from pilot group might not make it

http://www.radiojamaica.com/content/view/22918/26/

The national airline Air Jamaica has completed its job cutting exercise with approximately 240 workers' positions being slashed.

The exercise, which commenced earlier this year, was aimed at reducing the operational expenses of the financially troubled airline.

The National Workers Union (NWU), which represents several groups of Air Jamaica employees met Wednesday with the airline's management.

The union says while most of the cuts of rank and file employees have been made, a further reduction is expected in Air Jamaica's management team.

"Based on the amount that was mentioned to us it is roughly 250 or 240 workers that were sent home and that should pretty much be the amount of persons from technical and supervisory rank and file. There might be some additional managerial positions that will go that will be the last level of the exercise sure for this time," said NWU Vice President Granville Valentine.

In the meantime, there is a new development in the on-again off-again negotiations for the sale of Air Jamaica.

It is now being suggested that the airline could be sold within two weeks.

That is the word coming out of Wednesday's meeting of the airline's Steering Committee which involved management representatives and trade union officials.

Late last month Opposition Spokesman on Finance Dr. Omar Davies said he had received information that the debt ridden airline had been taken off the auction block due to challenges facing the divestment process.

However, Mr. Valentine says during Wednesday's meeting it was revealed that negotiations are still on with a US-based carrier to assume control of Air Jamaica.

"We are not in a position to say when the talks will conclude, there are some possibilities that it could be concluded in a next fortnight or so. We are quite hopeful that something will come out of it," Mr. Valentine said.

A group of Air Jamaica pilots submitted a late bid to acquire the airline however it is unclear whether it has been considered by the Divestment Committee.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-12 18:04:48 and read 18797 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 130):
Negril Aerodrome which has significant operating restrictions such as it proxity to the various hotels and the lenght of the runway will also be expanded to accomodate private planes- similarily along the lines of what is proposed for Boscobel Airport

This will be one interesting approach....
I had no idea, most of the land surrounding the airport is unused..

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/negril.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/negril2.jpg


A pic of BA Boeing 777-200 recieving water salute on it's inaugural flight to MBJ..



Quoting JM079 (Reply 133):
It is now being suggested that the airline could be sold within two weeks.

They probably meant two months....

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-11-12 19:09:15 and read 18779 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 130):
The GOJ last month told the parliament that the Civil Aviation Authority will be buidling the new control towers at NMIA and SIA starting next year . Finally.

Great that both KIN & MBJ's control tower will be replaced by modern structures soon. Looking forward to see the finished project.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 133):
It is now being suggested that the airline could be sold within two weeks.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 134):
They probably meant two months....

Have my doubts re that two weeks time line as well. Not holding my breath on that one.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 134):
A pic of BA Boeing 777-200 recieving water salute on it's inaugural flight to MBJ..

Finally. Great shot of the 777 at MBJ. Now we need to see the B6 one at KIN.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-12 19:35:43 and read 18768 times.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 135):
Now we need to see the B6 one at KIN.

These are the links.......I don't want to have to deal with Operation Kingfish, lol..

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jetblue...58991834/in/set-72157622570757951/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jetblue/sets/72157622570757951/

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: LimaMike
Posted 2009-11-12 19:47:39 and read 18761 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 134):
This will be one interesting approach....
I had no idea, most of the land surrounding the airport is unused..


Even so, I think there are some environmental issues, as any planned runway extension might require some infringement on the protected area Negril Morass/Great Morass.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-12 19:55:17 and read 18760 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 136):

Thanks for showing those pics.

JetBlue to KIN is definitely a positive development and like I always say it has surely enhance the capital city as a major gateway.


http://www.caribbean360.com/News/Bus...ies/2009/11/12/NEWS0000009448.html

The matter of this carbon tax is going to be around for a long time. Evidently the UK does not realise that UK base carriers will be affected big time by this move. If people finds it cheaper to go elsewhere rather than the Caribbean then VS, BA and a whole host of charter carriers who have invested millions will lose out on there investment.

Why isn't the UK government listening?

BTW: In that video with Ed Bartlett and the UK MP - at the end it shows the license plate as "1 JAM' - is that a usual thing for the PM of Jamaica to travel in a car with tha call sign?

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-12 20:07:09 and read 18753 times.



Quoting LimaMike (Reply 137):
Even so, I think there are some environmental issues, as any planned runway extension might require some infringement on the protected area Negril Morass/Great Morass.

If I were to refer to history, I don't think we will see this extension anytime soon..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 138):
Thanks for showing those pics.

JetBlue to KIN is definitely a positive development and like I always say it has surely enhance the capital city as a major gateway

These are the links from the MBJ flight..Jamaicans sure know how to party..

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jetblue...618579170858/show/with/3553856887/

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: Caymanair
Posted 2009-11-12 20:07:37 and read 18752 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 138):
BTW: In that video with Ed Bartlett and the UK MP - at the end it shows the license plate as "1 JAM' - is that a usual thing for the PM of Jamaica to travel in a car with tha call sign?

That car belongs to the High Commission in London, and would normally be used by the Commissioner. Diplomatic fleets in London usually carry these designations (1 JAM, 2 JAM, 1 CAY, 2 CAY and so on...)

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-12 20:17:11 and read 18750 times.



Quoting LimaMike (Reply 137):

Even so, I think there are some environmental issues, as any planned runway extension might require some infringement on the protected area Negril Morass/Great Morass.

Yea, you are correct as that great expanse of land is quite sensitive so it will present a great challenge as to how any expansion of the aerodrome will impact that ecological sensitive area.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 131):

Four Seasons will definitely add class to Kingston...

The Pegasus is really a good hotel in the city but I think it is not competitive plus it really need a major over haul. The Spanish Court which came on stream recently has been doing really good and with Sandals City coming up soon the Pegasus has to stay relevant.

I am not sure if the government has the money to invest in the facility so why not ask a major international to market or manage it. If the rumours are correct that these brands interested - awesome move.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-12 20:21:34 and read 18744 times.



Quoting Caymanair (Reply 140):

That car belongs to the High Commission in London, and would normally be used by the Commissioner. Diplomatic fleets in London usually carry these designations (1 JAM, 2 JAM, 1 CAY, 2 CAY and so on...)

Ok, that makes practical sense. Awesome. Thanks

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 136):

These are the links.......I don't want to have to deal with Operation Kingfish, lol..

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jetblue...58991834/in/set-72157622570757951/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jetblue...7951/

Does the Jetblue crew overnite in KIN?

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-12 20:43:08 and read 18743 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 142):
Does the Jetblue crew overnite in KIN?

I doubt it..But, I must give B6 some credit for using a Jamaican crew member on the inaugural flight..

The only crew members that overnight in KIN are BW,BA,VS and AA..

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-13 10:27:39 and read 18695 times.

Jamaica was the toast of the 30th World Travel Market (WTM), which ended Thursday (November 12) at the Excel Exhibition Centre in East London, England.

He said he was particularly satisfied that the tourism product was receiving major recognition at a time when the global industry was suffering from the impact of the economic recession.

"Jamaica has enjoyed top of place at this WTM, and we have had very brisk business activities with tour operators and travel agents. Teams from almost every part of the globe have been calling on our sellers here," the Minister told JIS News.

http://jis.gov.jm/indus_tourism/html...SM_SCORES_BIG_AT_WTM_IN_LONDON.asp




Another MBJ FSX video..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3ERQSac3P0

[Edited 2009-11-13 11:00:09]

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: Yellowtail
Posted 2009-11-13 13:41:36 and read 18673 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 144):
Jamaica was the toast of the 30th World Travel Market (WTM), which ended Thursday (November 12) at the Excel Exhibition Centre in East London, England.

SPIN!.....yes they were busy...but from someone who was there..the busiest booths seemed to be Trinidad, Maldives, Vegas, Kenya, and Brazil..the latter were handing out free Dawas and Mojitos!

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 144):
"Jamaica has enjoyed top of place at this WTM, and we have had very brisk business activities with tour operators and travel agents. Teams from almost every part of the globe have been calling on our sellers here," the Minister told JIS News.

Spoken like a true politician.....Travel agents from all over the globe called on Belize as well, as they did with most countries....

Did I mention the jamaicans hanging out at the Trini booth with the delicious looking girls
 bigthumbsup 

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-11-13 19:42:14 and read 18629 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 136):
These are the links.......I don't want to have to deal with Operation Kingfish, lol..

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jetblue...58991834/in/set-72157622570757951/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jetblue...7951/

Operation Kingfish.....lol. Better safe than sorry. Cool photos there of B6's KIN inaugural.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 142):
Does the Jetblue crew overnite in KIN?



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 143):
I doubt it..But, I must give B6 some credit for using a Jamaican crew member on the inaugural flight..

The only crew members that overnight in KIN are BW,BA,VS and AA..

Was at Manley Airport today. I did see a few B6 cabin crew who were waiting for their transportation into Kingston. Guess they over night at times depending on how they were rostered prior to arrival in KIN. But in general I would think the same crew would return to JFK after their one hour turn around time. I notice there isn't a FID with arrival information. Hopefully we will see one soon.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 139):
These are the links from the MBJ flight..Jamaicans sure know how to party..

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jetblue...6887/

The video clips of B6 in action at their MBJ inaugural is good as well. Their livery is complemented nicely by the ocean in the background.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 144):
Jamaica was the toast of the 30th World Travel Market (WTM), which ended Thursday (November 12) at the Excel Exhibition Centre in East London, England.



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 145):
SPIN!.....yes they were busy...but from someone who was there..the busiest booths seemed to be Trinidad, Maldives, Vegas, Kenya, and Brazil..the latter were handing out free Dawas and Mojitos!



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 145):
Spoken like a true politician.....Travel agents from all over the globe called on Belize as well, as they did with most countries....

Did I mention the jamaicans hanging out at the Trini booth with the delicious looking girls

Over all it seems as if the event was quite a successful one. With the recent buzz Usain Bolt created in Berlin along with the exposure at this WTM show, hopefully we will see positive results in the near future.


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There was industrial action today at MBJ by some employees and though the airport is still operational, a few mid morning flights were affected. Think I heard where they are planning to demonstrate tomorrow again. Hopefully they can come to an amicable solution quickly and not let this situation get worst than it is.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-13 20:20:21 and read 18615 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 143):

I doubt it..But, I must give B6 some credit for using a Jamaican crew member on the inaugural flight..

The only crew members that overnight in KIN are BW,BA,VS and AA..

The reason why I asked is because in some of those pics the captions has the crew overniting at the Spanish Court Hotel in New Kingston.

Is this a one off event or apart of the roostering of its crew.

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 145):

SPIN!.....yes they were busy...but from someone who was there..the busiest booths seemed to be Trinidad, Maldives, Vegas, Kenya, and Brazil..the latter were handing out free Dawas and Mojitos!

Haha - I suppose Mr Bartlett has to account for this performance - you can't have the man say hardly anyone took notice of him - so he has to "big" himself.

But it was good to see him meeting with the CEO of Harlequin Resorts and Hotels as we have been hearing from a long time that they were interested in Jamaica.

There thrust is along the line of the European Plan which unfortunately Jamaica does not have much of - it is the land of all-inclusives. Pity.

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 146):


There was industrial action today at MBJ by some employees and though the airport is still operational, a few mid morning flights were affected. Think I heard where they are planning to demonstrate tomorrow again. Hopefully they can come to an amicable solution quickly and not let this situation get worst than it is.

http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20091114/lead/lead1.html

WESTERN BUREAU: The Ministry of Labour is expected to arrive in Montego Bay this morning to intervene in the impasse between staff and management of MBJ Airports Limited, operators of the Sangster International Airport.

Up to press time yesterday, the emergency services were still being manned by management personnel, and the airport had been automatically downgraded from category nine to eight, UTASP's general secretary, Saint Patrice Ennis, told The Gleaner.



[quote=JM079,reply=105]CONGRATULATIONS: Air Jamaica again is awarded the trophy for being the leading carrier to the Caribbean for the year 2009.

Air Jamaica has issued a release acknowledging receipt of the award for being the leading carrier to the Caribbean. Bruce Nobles was in London to receive ths award.

http://www.airjamaica.com/News/Air%2...aica%20Wins%20_The%20Caribbea.aspx

We also saw Sandals celebrating its success again this year.

Again Air Jamaica and the other winners are highly deserving of these awards.

Am sure next year they will again be celebrating.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-14 11:59:06 and read 18547 times.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 146):
Cool photos there of B6's KIN inaugural.

I can tell B6 has culturally invested in this market...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF7YHmPkOtA

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 146):
Was at Manley Airport today. I did see a few B6 cabin crew who were waiting for their transportation into Kingston. Guess they over night at times depending on how they were rostered prior to arrival in KIN. But in general I would think the same crew would return to JFK after their one hour turn around time. I notice there isn't a FID with arrival information. Hopefully we will see one soon.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 147):
The reason why I asked is because in some of those pics the captions has the crew overniting at the Spanish Court Hotel in New Kingston.

Is this a one off event or apart of the roostering of its crew

Am going to ask my source, as in the photos, the caption with crew are the ones who are here to train the customer service agents in Kingston...If the cabin crew have a layover in Kingston, it would be interesting to know the reason behind this rotation..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 146):
The video clips of B6 in action at their MBJ inaugural is good as well. Their livery is complemented nicely by the ocean in the background.

I agree Ocean Blue and Plane Blue..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 146):
Over all it seems as if the event was quite a successful one. With the recent buzz Usain Bolt created in Berlin along with the exposure at this WTM show, hopefully we will see positive results in the near future.

I agree..Last month, I had posted the winter sched for DE flights..Now they have 2 flights on Wed, with one stopping in Holguin..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 147):
But it was good to see him meeting with the CEO of Harlequin Resorts and Hotels as we have been hearing from a long time that they were interested in Jamaica.

There thrust is along the line of the European Plan which unfortunately Jamaica does not have much of - it is the land of all-inclusives. Pity.

Harlequin Resorts will be the icing on the cake for Jamaica..However, I believe if they plan to invest in Jamaica, their property would be best located in the Northeaster part of Jamaica, which offers more seclusion..

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Look at this dangerous approach to Dominica's airport..I believe SXM is over rated compared to this video..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XA8GkcK6Mw&feature=channel

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-14 12:52:31 and read 18535 times.

The Montego Bay Convention Centre which is now going up is now on target for completion. Once competed next year it will boost the conference and convention capabilties of Mo'bay and will complement the development of the new cruise ship port in Falmouth.

http://www.event-solutions.com/break...n_dollar_convention_center?image=0

...."The convention center will be built on 23 acres of land at Rose Hall and will provide approximately 215,278 square feet of rooms for meetings, exhibitions and other events.

“The construction of the convention center comes at an opportune time for Jamaica and will become the focal point of our meetings, conventions and exhibitions product,” said Basil Smith, director of tourism for the Jamaica Tourist Board. “Our plan is to share the true Jamaican experience … not only with the leisure travel market, but also with business travelers, corporations, incentive groups and meeting planners. This new convention center strengthens our appeal to these market segments and we look forward to welcoming new and returning groups for years to come.”

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 148):
I can tell B6 has culturally invested in this market

Wow, you trying to be diplomatic there ....haha

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-14 16:30:41 and read 18504 times.

Nice clip of a CO B752 landing in MBJ..This location is on the infamous Dead End Beach..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELbCcohHgMg

Quoting JM079 (Reply 149):
This new convention center strengthens our appeal to these market segments and we look forward to welcoming new and returning groups for years to come.”

I think this center will be hosting a global travel trade show when completed...

Quoting JM079 (Reply 149):
Wow, you trying to be diplomatic there ....haha

lol....Look at the cabins bag at 2:13-2:18..

MBJ had a couple Canadian flights for today...

TS 3 ex YUL.2 A310s and 1 A333
Skyservice 2 B 752 ex YYZ
AC A321 YYZ
WS 2 B737s ex YYZ
AC A319 ex YUL..

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-11-14 23:47:45 and read 18466 times.

Unions make 'little headway' in airport strike talks

'' MONTEGO BAY, St James - Up to press time last night the management of MBJ Airports Ltd and the unions representing protesting employees of the company were still locked in a marathon meeting here to resolve the two-day-old strike at the Sangster International Airport. ''

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...ADWAY__IN_AIRPORT_STRIKE_TALKS.asp

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 148):
Look at this dangerous approach to Dominica's airport..I believe SXM is over rated compared to this video..

Outside of the Caribbean, the one that is very interesting is TGU as well.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 150):
Nice clip of a CO B752 landing in MBJ..This location is on the infamous Dead End Beach..

Great location for spotting/photography.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 150):
MBJ had a couple Canadian flights for today...

Canadian line up is impressive as usual.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-15 21:25:40 and read 18376 times.

Sunwing Airlines will commence once weekly charter flights from YYZ to KIN with effect Nov 19 2009 and will go to twice weekly as of Dece 15, 2009.

The flights will end on April 22, 2010

Sunwing flights will operate on thursdays and tuesday to KIN

The carrier will be joining Air Transat charter once weekly service on Wednesdays which will start on Dece 8, 2009.

These charters will supplement the existing scehdule service by Air Jamaica and Canada.

Evidently, there is a huge demand for KIN and as I have always said the more carriers arrivign at KIN will definitely enchance the capital city

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-15 22:06:56 and read 18373 times.

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 151):
Outside of the Caribbean, the one that is very interesting is TGU as well.

Agree..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 151):
Great location for spotting/photography.

Before 9/11, you were able to stand behind the aircrafts during the take off..The area is now partitioned with barbed wires..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 151):
Canadian line up is impressive as usual.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 152):
Sunwing Airlines will commence once weekly charter flights from YYZ to KIN with effect Nov 19 2009 and will go to twice weekly as of Dece 15, 2009.

The flights will end on April 22, 2010

Also, Sunwing will offer Wed and Fri departures during November..In December, they will offer Mon,Wed,Sat and Sun flights all from MBJ..

MBJ will now see all major Canadian carriers..

I forgot to mention, a Gulstream V flew nonstop from ZUR-MBJ..The aircraft was on the ground for 10 days and returned tonight..

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/HBJES

[Edited 2009-11-15 22:24:34]

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-15 22:47:45 and read 18365 times.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 153):

Also, Sunwing will offer Wed and Fri departures during November..In December, they will offer Mon,Wed,Sat and Sun flights all from MBJ..

MBJ will now see all major Canadian carriers..


Canada again this year is shaping up to be a major contributer to the tourism industry.

The fact that KIN will get additional capacity indicates the demand that is out there when compare to other destinations in the region or for that fact last year.

There is also the additional capacity on the NYC KIN route with DL and B6 recent moves.

These devlopments are positive on all levels as we will see the Tourism Enhancement Fund benefitting and the airport will see a net gain in visitor arrivals.


http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...IRPORT_DISPUTE_ENDS____FOR_NOW.asp

The industrial dispute at Sangster Airport has been tentatively resolve with the matter being referred to an industrial tribunal for arbritration.

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There was other developments at the WTA in London last week:

Jamaica named World's Leading Cruise Destination

http://www.eturbonews.com/12777/jama...-worlds-leading-cruise-destination

For the fourth consecutive year, Jamaica has been named the World's Leading Cruise Destination in the World Travel Awards. Jamaica also copped its fifth win as the Caribbean's Leading Cruise Destination and Ocho Rios was named the Caribbean's Leading Cruise Port. The awards, described by the Wall Street Journal as the 'Oscars' of the global travel and tourism industry, are decided by votes cast by travel professionals from 183,000 companies and tourism organisations in over 160 countries.








[quote=HummingBird,reply=153]http://flightaware.com/live/flight/HBJES

Perhaps some celebrity

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...63845_OBS_IT_S_AN_OPEN_SECRET_.asp

The Secret Resorts is set to open next March which will see an additional 350 rooms being added to the hotel inventory.

....."MONTEGO BAY, St James - Seawind Key Investments Limited, the Spanish company that is opening the five-star Secrets St James and Secrets Wild Orchid resorts in Montego Bay's Freeport, is anticipating phenomenal success under the management of Douglas Brooks, the former manager of the Ritz-Carlton Rosehall and Tryall resorts when it opens next year.

[Edited 2009-11-15 22:55:05]

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-16 05:28:21 and read 18350 times.

Kingston: Trading Beach Chairs for Bar Stools

Baz Dreisinger of the New York Times, in yesterday edition - Nov 15 - has happen to come across our capital city - Kingston and in this piece which is posted online has extolled the vibrancy of a very thriving city.

......"For most travelers, of course, Kingston stereotypes are irrelevant. They would no sooner consider vacationing there than they would in, say, the Gaza Strip. Gang-related violence has plagued Kingston’s so-called garrison communities since the 1970s, and the country’s high murder rate, though it almost never affects tourists, is a potent deterrent. So is the very urban-ness of the place, which stubbornly refuses to allow for beach chairs, umbrella drinks or “Jamaica, Mon” T-shirts.

But new developments, high-end amenities and a cosmopolitan vibe are poised to change Kingston’s public face — and to drive home a point: bypassing Jamaica’s vibrant, culturally rich, music-soaked capital city is like taking a grand tour of America and skipping New York.

http://travel.nytimes.com/2009/11/15...ravel/15nextstop.html?pagewanted=1

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/200...91115-jamaica-slideshow_index.html


A major boost for the city effort to diversifiy its product and clear indication that Kington has the edge in its drive to be a regional hub

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-16 16:16:30 and read 18294 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 154):
These devlopments are positive on all levels as we will see the Tourism Enhancement Fund benefitting and the airport will see a net gain in visitor arrivals.

Now I understand why they previously mentioned a US$1 billion earning from tourism this winter season..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 154):
Jamaica named World's Leading Cruise Destination

Another accolade, well done..Credit must be given for those who have transformed Jamaica's imagine from a sand and sea to all ultra adventurous destination..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 154):
Perhaps some celebrity

I imagine they stayed at Half Moon, Tryall or Round Hill..Hopefully we will hear some positive feed backs from their trip..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 155):
But new developments, high-end amenities and a cosmopolitan vibe are poised to change Kingston%u2019s public face %u2014 and to drive home a point: bypassing Jamaica%u2019s vibrant, culturally rich, music-soaked capital city is like taking a grand tour of America and skipping New York.

Its nice to see such refreshing articles about Kingston..Am happy this person was able to see past the crime and have a real Jamaican experience..




I will be posting the DOT stats later tonight..

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-16 17:46:00 and read 18275 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 156):
Now I understand why they previously mentioned a US$1 billion earning from tourism this winter season..

I think in the region of over 2 billion that they are expecting for this season.

BTW: I must mention that Caribbean Airlines additional seat capacity to KIN will run from Dec 15-Jan 10 and will be twice per week ( Wed and Sun).

Obviously this is the busiest time of the year with most people either going home to see relatives in the Eastern Caribbean or Jamaicans in Trinidad and Barbados coming home.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 156):
Its nice to see such refreshing articles about Kingston..Am happy this person was able to see past the crime and have a real Jamaican experience

British Airways in there November issue of there inflight magazine is also featuring Montego Bay. This is a following up to that feature on Kingston in there September edition.


http://www.bahighlife.com/Destinations/Jamaica-Montego-Bay.html

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-16 17:49:57 and read 18281 times.

DOT Stats for May..

AA
DFW-MBJ
3404-3212 94%

FLL-KIN
4440-1796 40%

KIN-FLL
4440-2524 57%

KIN-MIA
13764-11369 83%

MIA-KIN
13912-11096 80%

JFK-MBJ
3520-2902 82%

MBJ-JFK
3508-3085 88%

MBJ-MIA
16243-15304 94%

MIA-MBJ
16244-15528 96%

DL

ATL-KIN
1420-1357 96%

KIN-ATL
1420-1277 90%

ATL-MBJ
11166-10748 96%

MBJ-ATL
11166-10965 98%

B6*

JFK-MBJ
1650-1559 94%

MBJ-JFK
1650-1212 73%

* B6 services started on May 20,2009....Am impressed by the strong loads on the Northbound leg..

More to follow..

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-16 19:37:24 and read 18245 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 157):
BTW: I must mention that Caribbean Airlines additional seat capacity to KIN will run from Dec 15-Jan 10 and will be twice per week ( Wed and Sun).

I beleive this is a one stop flight via BGI..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 157):
British Airways in there November issue of there inflight magazine is also featuring Montego Bay. This is a following up to that feature on Kingston in there September edition.

Am quite pleased with his penmanship and the way in which he brings out the diversity of our tourism product..


DOT stats contd...

CO

EWR-MBJ
1634-1543 94%

MBJ-EWR
1634-1604 98%

IAH-MBJ
2192-2109 96%
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NK

FLL-KIN
4495-2645 59%

KIN-FLL
4495-2833 63%

FLL-MBJ
4495-4111 91%

MBJ-FLL
4495-4127 92%
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US

CLT-MBJ
15234-14317 94%

MBJ-CLT
15051-14595 97%

PHL-MBJ
4745-4473 94%

MBJ-PHL
4745-4617 97%

BOS-MBJ
868-780 90%

MBJ-BOS
868-817 94%
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NW

DTW-MBJ
888-866 98%

MEM-MBJ
4588-4447 97%
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Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-11-16 19:47:44 and read 18246 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 155):
Kingston: Trading Beach Chairs for Bar Stools

Baz Dreisinger of the New York Times, in yesterday edition - Nov 15 - has happen to come across our capital city - Kingston and in this piece which is posted online has extolled the vibrancy of a very thriving



Quoting JM079 (Reply 157):
This is a following up to that feature on Kingston in there September edition.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 156):
Its nice to see such refreshing articles about Kingston..Am happy this person was able to see past the crime and have a real Jamaican experience..

There is so much that Kingston has to offer to the traveler who want to experience more than the traditional sun, sand and sea. Good to see that the capital city is being showcased in a more positive light for a change. And with the many planned projects coming on stream, the development and pending privatization of N.M.I.A, additional air services etc, new hotels such as Sandals City, Kingston will definately be in the spotlight more frequently where travel is concerned.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 158):
DOT Stats for May..

Apart from AA's KIN-FLL-KIN those are quite impressive results for the month of May considering the turbulent situation for airlines worldwide and the recession. B6 came to MBJ and struck gold  Smile

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-16 20:23:48 and read 18233 times.

JM
FLL-KIN
13918-9023 65%

KIN-FLL
13806-9408 68%

FLL-MBJ
4650-4294 92%

MBJ-FLL
4650-4349 94%

JFK-KIN
10744-8632 80%

KIN-JFK
10706-9918 93%

JFK-MBJ
5714-5158 90%

MCO-MBJ
3300-2729 83%

MBJ-MCO
3300-2707 82%

ORD-MBJ
3450-2822 82%

MBJ-ORD
3450-2874 83%

PHL-MBJ
4650-4001 86%

MBJ-PHL
4650-4098 88%

JFK-GND
1692-1012 60%

GND-JFK
1692-1553 92%

For some unknown reason BWI was not on this list..


Finally, A truly remarkable video showing the re-launched BA flight into MBJ....BA's inflight service is impressive..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYgtJUdGIpU

[Edited 2009-11-16 20:26:26]

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-16 22:30:08 and read 18211 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 161):



Quoting JM079 (Reply 157):

British Airways in there November issue of there inflight magazine is also featuring Montego Bay. This is a following up to that feature on Kingston in there September edition.


http://www.bahighlife.com/Destinatio....html

A interesting promo video from the tourist board supporting BA re-entry into MBJ. John Lynch, the JTB chairman echoes something that we have always talked about and is highlighting in this thread that the "Jamaican brand" is all comprenhensive and no other country in the Caribbean can match what Jamaica has to offer.

There is also the view of the Minister that Jamaica does need additional airlift from the UK and it is hope that by next winter BA will have daily service to MBJ.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 161):

The stats present an interesting picture and it shows considerable growth for all carriers. Again we are not going to be labor the point of what the heck was AA doing in keeping the FLL-KIN route.



http://www.jtbonline.org/resources/M...LITATE%20DIRECT%20AIR%20TRAVEL.pdf

Jamaica and Brazil hav signed the long delayed air service agreement recently.

......"The Minister explained that, in negotiating the agreement, the government sought to protect the national carrier, Air Jamaica, by
ensuring that it is not rendered "vulnerable to the vicissitudes of asymmetric competition."
"In an increasingly globalized world, the government recognizes that the air transport sector is important for economic growth and
development but it must be complemented by a multi-modal approach to the movement of people, goods, and services," he pointed
out.
Mr. Henry disclosed that logistics pertaining to destinations and routes, and frequency of flights, are to be examined and worked out
by the designated airlines in both countries.
Ambassador Amaral, in his remarks, noted that the arrangement will be significant in reducing the challenges experienced by
Brazilians visiting Jamaica and the wider Caribbean, who are forced to travel through Miami.
"Jamaica is a very important tourist destination (and) it is a very important product for sale in North America (and) Europe, but it
could also be, in South America. I hope that this agreement will make it possible for more people from Brazil and South America to
come to Jamaica," he stated.


http://businesseventsja.com.jm/files...wish_Diaspora_of_the_Caribbean.pdf

KIN will get a major injection of visitors between Jan 12 - 14, 2010 as it host a major international conference.

......"“The Jewish Diaspora of the Caribbean” is an international conference to be held at Kingston’s Pegasus Hotel January 12-14 2010 exploring the history, culture, and identity of Caribbean Jewry. “The Jewish Diaspora of the Caribbean” is co-chaired by Jane S. Gerber (Professor of Jewish History, The Graduate Center, CUNY) and Ainsley Henriques (Director, the United Congregation of Israelites, Kingston).

The Ministry of Tourism has been pushing to diversify into new areas such as heritage tourism and this conference aptly fits that effort. There are a number of sites such as Jewish burial grounds, place of worships, old places of business that would be of interest to the particpants in the conference.

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BTW: I am visiting Peru and Ecuador from May 21 - 30 and I have found this incredible fare from LAN CHILE out of New York. It is an incredible of 244.36 USD. I will be flying with LAN for the first time and I am really looking forward to experiencing the qualify of there service.

Last year I went to Brazil with Continental and I was quite impressed with there service and was again pleased when I flew them to Portual and back from Geneva.

I will travel with Continental again this christmas to Santo Domingo this holiday.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-16 23:41:58 and read 18195 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 162):
A interesting promo video from the tourist board supporting BA re-entry into MBJ. John Lynch, the JTB chairman echoes something that we have always talked about and is highlighting in this thread that the "Jamaican brand" is all comprenhensive and no other country in the Caribbean can match what Jamaica has to offer.

Honestly, this is one of the most captivating videos to date..I applaud Ed and John for maintaining their marketing momentum in promoting the country..
BTW, the pilot got caught in one of MBJ's infamous windshear..That was a heavy landing..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 162):
There is also the view of the Minister that Jamaica does need additional airlift from the UK and it is hope that by next winter BA will have daily service to MBJ.

Would love to see daily services..The travel professionals on board seemed quited elated about their visit to "paradise"..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 162):
Jamaica and Brazil hav signed the long delayed air service agreement recently.

My bet is we will be seeing GOL in MBJ by late winter/early spring 2010...

Quoting JM079 (Reply 162):
The Ministry of Tourism has been pushing to diversify into new areas such as heritage tourism and this conference aptly fits that effort. There are a number of sites such as Jewish burial grounds, place of worships, old places of business that would be of interest to the particpants in the conference.

This will be another hit for the capital..Unknown to most, the small Lebanese, Palestinian and Jewish community in Jamaica, who are the movers and shakers of the economy..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 162):
BTW: I am visiting Peru and Ecuador from May 21 - 30 and I have found this incredible fare from LAN CHILE out of New York. It is an incredible of 244.36 USD. I will be flying with LAN for the first time and I am really looking forward to experiencing the qualify of there service.

Hope you enjoy your time in Peru..Am curious as to how you were able to get such cheap fares?..I read in other threads that fares to Peru are often high!

Quoting JM079 (Reply 162):
I will travel with Continental again this christmas to Santo Domingo this holiday.

Take some pics..Would love to hear more about our neighbors to the east..

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-11-17 00:47:13 and read 18192 times.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 157):
BTW: I must mention that Caribbean Airlines additional seat capacity to KIN will run from Dec 15-Jan 10 and will be twice per week ( Wed and Sun).



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 159):
I beleive this is a one stop flight via BGI..

IIRC the one stop via BGI is only in one direction ( West-bound leg )

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 161):



Quoting JM079 (Reply 162):
The stats present an interesting picture and it shows considerable growth for all carriers.

Again very excellent stats for JM for that period especially when you factor that on a number of those routes they have competition.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 161):


JM

JFK-MBJ
5714-5158 90%

If this result is indicative of JM's market share being severly depleted by the presence of B6, DL & AA then can you imagine if those other 3 carriers were not operating on JFK-MBJ ? They would probably need an A332 to operate that sector.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 161):
Finally, A truly remarkable video showing the re-launched BA flight into MBJ....BA's inflight service is impressive..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYgtJ...dGIpU



Quoting JM079 (Reply 162):
A interesting promo video from the tourist board supporting BA re-entry into MBJ. John Lynch, the JTB chairman echoes something that we have always talked about and is highlighting in this thread that the "Jamaican brand" is all comprenhensive and no other country in the Caribbean can match what Jamaica has to offer.

There is also the view of the Minister that Jamaica does need additional airlift from the UK and it is hope that by next winter BA will have daily service to MBJ.

Cool video. In a nut-shell it depicts a part of what Jamaica is all about. Even if not daily services I am certain BA will have an increase of some sorts to MBJ in the near future.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 162):
I am visiting Peru and Ecuador from May 21 - 30 and I have found this incredible fare from LAN CHILE out of New York. It is an incredible of 244.36 USD. I will be flying with LAN for the first time and I am really looking forward to experiencing the qualify of there service.

Last year I went to Brazil with Continental and I was quite impressed with there service and was again pleased when I flew them to Portual and back from Geneva.

I will travel with Continental again this christmas to Santo Domingo this holiday.

Real deal there on the airfare from JFK-LIM on LA. It will cost me US$ 347 to fly from KIN-ATL on AA next week.

[Edited 2009-11-17 00:51:06]

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: A388
Posted 2009-11-17 05:54:14 and read 18175 times.

Hello everyone,

It's been a while but here I am again with a question: Does any of you know about any airport in the Caribbean or Latin America being for sale or looking for a foreign airport operator?

A388

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-17 06:32:03 and read 18170 times.



Quoting A388 (Reply 165):
Hello everyone,

It's been a while but here I am again with a question: Does any of you know about any airport in the Caribbean or Latin America being for sale or looking for a foreign airport operator?

The GoJ has indicated that Kingston Airport (NMIA) will be up for divestment either by lease or direct sale. Such a process could begin as soon as possible.

Hope that answers your question.

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 164):
IIRC the one stop via BGI is only in one direction ( West-bound leg )

Will have to check that out.

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 164):
Again very excellent stats for JM for that period especially when you factor that on a number of those routes they have competition.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 164):
If this result is indicative of JM's market share being severly depleted by the presence of B6, DL & AA then can you imagine if those other 3 carriers were not operating on JFK-MBJ ? They would probably need an A332 to operate that sector.

My position has always been that these additional carriers are around to increase airlift capacity and that has been demonstrated by these carriers maintaining there LF and have improve on them.

Lets just watch and see how the market respond to the increase in airlift. The overall tone of those high end hotels has been quite positive as you know BA has positioned it self as one of the top-tier airlines.

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 164):
Cool video. In a nut-shell it depicts a part of what Jamaica is all about. Even if not daily services I am certain BA will have an increase of some sorts to MBJ in the near future.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 164):
Real deal there on the airfare from JFK-LIM on LA. It will cost me US$ 347 to fly from KIN-ATL on AA next week.

It is a very cheap fare when compare to other destinations in the region - Argentina is where we were looking to travel to for the Spring but such a deal only come one in awhile.

Not even if I were to travel to Vancouver from Toronto for a weekend could you find such a deal.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: A388
Posted 2009-11-17 07:16:29 and read 18162 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 166):
The GoJ has indicated that Kingston Airport (NMIA) will be up for divestment either by lease or direct sale. Such a process could begin as soon as possible.

Thanks JM079. Do you have an official press release or source on this? I just checked the NMIA website but couldn't find anything about them being on sale or lease. Has this sale/lease been publicly announced? If so, since when?

A388

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-17 08:48:05 and read 18142 times.



Quoting A388 (Reply 167):
Thanks JM079. Do you have an official press release or source on this? I just checked the NMIA website but couldn't find anything about them being on sale or lease. Has this sale/lease been publicly announced? If so, since when?

The company that runs KIN -NMIA Airport Ltd., was created specifically to get the airport ready for divestment so I would suggest that you can contact them directly.

There has been a number of reports to the effect that the GoJ wants to undertake the process by next year so you either contact the Ministry of Transport in KIN or through the Airport Authority which has overall responsibility for the airports in Jamaica.

There was a recent report in the press that says the people that runs the airport in MBJ is interested in taking over the operations at NMIA:

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/magaz...ABERTIS_A_KEEN_SUITOR_FOR_NMIA.asp

Here are some links:

http://www.mtw.gov.jm/

http://www.aaj.com.jm/

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The GoJ is considering merging the Airport Authority of Jamaica and the Port Authority of Jamaica as apart of there rationalization process because of the heavy financial constraint that the government currently faces.

Both state agencies are heavily involve in the transportation sector and the government is looking to following the example of the Port Authrity of New York.

The move will simple be apart of restructuring of the public sector but at the same time creative an agency that will better manage all the ports of entry into Jamaica.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: A340Jamaica
Posted 2009-11-17 10:07:48 and read 18111 times.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 164):

If this result is indicative of JM's market share being severly depleted by the presence of B6, DL & AA then can you imagine if those other 3 carriers were not operating on JFK-MBJ ? They would probably need an A332 to operate that sector.

Remember that less than two years ago, JM operated a 300 seat aircraft to JFK. It is my opinion that had they not removed that aircraft, the competitors would have been much less willing to take them on from JFK. Even better, had the 300 seater been an economical A330-300 that could also do LHR rather than the A340-300, the economics would have been even tougher for the DLs and B6s of the world to contend with to KIN.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-11-17 10:14:22 and read 18108 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 162):
it is hope that by next winter BA will have daily service to MBJ.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 164):
Even if not daily services I am certain BA will have an increase of some sorts to MBJ in the near future.

As we can see, BA's is anticipating a bumper winter travel season to the Caribbean...........

BA upbeat on the Caribbean

'' Airline's corporate sales manager reports double-digit growth in early bookings.

British Airways has reported a rise in the number of people who make early reservations for their holidays to the Caribbean next year.

The airline's corporate sales manager, Simon Brooks, said that when compared to the same period last year, the airline has seen a steep rise in early bookings. ''

http://hospitalityjamaica.com/news1.html

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 163):
My bet is we will be seeing GOL in MBJ by late winter/early spring 2010...

I really hope GOL will add MBJ to their list of charter destinations.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 166):
My position has always been that these additional carriers are around to increase airlift capacity and that has been demonstrated by these carriers maintaining there LF and have improve on them.

In has been proven over and over again.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-17 10:24:04 and read 18110 times.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 164):
IIRC the one stop via BGI is only in one direction ( West-bound leg )

Ok thanks..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 164):
If this result is indicative of JM's market share being severly depleted by the presence of B6, DL & AA then can you imagine if those other 3 carriers were not operating on JFK-MBJ ? They would probably need an A332 to operate that sector.

These are the figures for JM's MBJ-JFK leg

5752-5478 95%

Am never worried about JM's position on the JFK route..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 164):
Real deal there on the airfare from JFK-LIM on LA. It will cost me US$ 347 to fly from KIN-ATL on AA next week.

I agree..That is the lowest fare region you can find between Jamaica and FLL, but for a longhaul flight, I imagine the yields suck on that sector..
What was DL's fare between KIN and ATL?

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-11-17 10:53:12 and read 18101 times.

Quoting A340Jamaica (Reply 169):
Remember that less than two years ago, JM operated a 300 seat aircraft to JFK. It is my opinion that had they not removed that aircraft, the competitors would have been much less willing to take them on from JFK. Even better, had the 300 seater been an economical A330-300 that could also do LHR rather than the A340-300, the economics would have been even tougher for the DLs and B6s of the world to contend with to KIN.

Yes I remember JM's A343's operated JM 015 from KIN-JFK some mornings. Can't remember if they operated JM 017 on some evenings. And of course at times it also did the KIN-YYZ-KIN rotations as well. I agree though. The A333 would be an ideal aircraft to rotate between KIN/MBJ-JFK, KIN/MBJ-LGW & KIN-YYZ.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 171):
Ok thanks..



Quoting JM079 (Reply 166):
Will have to check that out.

Could be the other way around as well, but in any case there was a non-stop in one direction and a 1-stop ( BGI ) in the other.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 171):
These are the figures for JM's MBJ-JFK leg

5752-5478 95%

Am never worried about JM's position on the JFK route..

Even more impressive on the North-bound segment.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 171):

I agree..That is the lowest fare region you can find between Jamaica and FLL, but for a longhaul flight, I imagine the yields suck on that sector..
What was DL's fare between KIN and ATL?

At the time I was searching/comparing the various carriers DL was charging US$ 427 on the KIN-ATL CRJ, and between US$ 480 - $ 500 on MBJ - ATL. Was considering flying JM from KIN-FLL and then DL from FLL-ATL but doing that would cost me over US$ 600 so settled with AA, which would have been even slightly cheaper had I purchased earlier. NK was more or less the same fare as AA....a bit more actually. Really wish the '' reggae bird '' was still flying that route but such is life.

[Edited 2009-11-17 10:57:14]

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: Yellowtail
Posted 2009-11-17 11:28:10 and read 18088 times.



Quoting A388 (Reply 165):
It's been a while but here I am again with a question: Does any of you know about any airport in the Caribbean or Latin America being for sale or looking for a foreign airport operator?

I am sure if you got the cash....you could buy the airport in BZE from Belize Airport Concession Company.....it is already private.

You want me to negotiate the sale for you? My commission will be only 2%. Big grin

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: A340Jamaica
Posted 2009-11-17 15:29:18 and read 18036 times.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 172):
Yes I remember JM's A343's operated JM 015 from KIN-JFK some mornings. Can't remember if they operated JM 017 on some evenings. And of course at times it also did the KIN-YYZ-KIN rotations as well. I agree though. The A333 would be an ideal aircraft to rotate between KIN/MBJ-JFK, KIN/MBJ-LGW & KIN-YYZ.

Yep. Two A330-300s . I know they may have been somewhat limited westbound from the UK but they are ideal otherwise. Could do JFK, the occasional YYZ and would open the possibility of once a week GRU, GIG, YVR etc. if the bilaterals allowed in order to maximize utilzation. The economics of that aircraft, excepting a packed 747 or A380 would be unbridgeable. Would even allow once or twice a week LAX. Perfect for the ICIs!!

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-17 16:00:42 and read 18020 times.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 170):
I really hope GOL will add MBJ to their list of charter destinations

The next logical step is to negotiate a commerical agreement which could be in the making.

But the prediction that GOL could be the carrier of choice is accurate as JAMVAC and JTB have targetted LCC and charters to provide airlift to MBJ due to there operational efficiency.


Already we have TAME doing charters from GYE to MBJ.

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 172):
Yes I remember JM's A343's operated JM 015 from KIN-JFK some mornings

Let us not ignore a critical fact here. The introduction of these additional flights is to increase the number of passengers out of JFK to either KIN or MBJ.

Everyone automatical assume that there presence on the route will mean a reduction in the number of passengers Air Jamaica carries. Not so. The statistics so far have indicated that they are maintaining there LF.

What we can not ascertain at the moment is the yield return for JM on the route. Unlike the US legacies that release quarterly report JM does not do so till the end of there financial year.

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 172):
Really wish the '' reggae bird '' was still flying that route but such is life.

Just an observation about ATL as I had to be there recently and I notice that Air Jamaica is still listed as a carrier using that airport - sign still at the terminal.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-17 19:20:01 and read 18006 times.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 172):
Yes I remember JM's A343's operated JM 015 from KIN-JFK some mornings. Can't remember if they operated JM 017 on some evenings. And of course at times it also did the KIN-YYZ-KIN rotations as well. I agree though. The A333 would be an ideal aircraft to rotate between KIN/MBJ-JFK, KIN/MBJ-LGW & KIN-YYZ.

The A343 initially operated 17/16..In the latter days it operated 15/14 and on some days YYZ..It was used in Christmas to MIA and CUR to collect extra cargo..

Quoting A340Jamaica (Reply 174):
Yep. Two A330-300s . I know they may have been somewhat limited westbound from the UK but they are ideal otherwise. Could do JFK, the occasional YYZ and would open the possibility of once a week GRU, GIG, YVR etc. if the bilaterals allowed in order to maximize utilzation. The economics of that aircraft, excepting a packed 747 or A380 would be unbridgeable. Would even allow once or twice a week LAX. Perfect for the ICIs!!

I agree..If the flight is routed to KIN, they will have less limitations compared to MBJ..The London slots have now become less expensive, so it is safe to say they could operate into London at least 4 per week..Am skeptical about LAX , but if they can have the support of the JTB, it will be a success..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 172):
At the time I was searching/comparing the various carriers DL was charging US$ 427 on the KIN-ATL CRJ, and between US$ 480 - $ 500 on MBJ - ATL. Was considering flying JM from KIN-FLL and then DL from FLL-ATL but doing that would cost me over US$ 600 so settled with AA, which would have been even slightly cheaper had I purchased earlier. NK was more or less the same fare as AA....a bit more actually. Really wish the '' reggae bird '' was still flying that route but such is life.

Wow, if we were to do the economics on DL's CRJ to KIN, we can see the break-even is low..I can see why they have decided to offer year round KIN service..
I do hope you enjoy your experience on AA and you will encounter a friendly immigration official..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 175):
The next logical step is to negotiate a commerical agreement which could be in the making.

But the prediction that GOL could be the carrier of choice is accurate as JAMVAC and JTB have targetted LCC and charters to provide airlift to MBJ due to there operational efficiency.

Also, GOL would be able to provide MBJ with the volume traffic that is needed year round from Brazil...As much as I would love to see TAM, I think GOL is better suited as they already have experience serving the Caribbean market..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 175):
What we can not ascertain at the moment is the yield return for JM on the route. Unlike the US legacies that release quarterly report JM does not do so till the end of there financial year.

It is not a stellar as previous years, but as the company continues to reduce it's overhead and implement new fees, it is safe to say, the yields on the route are quite exemplary...

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-11-17 19:38:15 and read 18001 times.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 172):
Could be the other way around as well, but in any case there was a non-stop in one direction and a 1-stop ( BGI ) in the other.

Seems as if the BGI stop will be in both directions this time around unlike how it was previously operated.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 175):
Everyone automatical assume that there presence on the route will mean a reduction in the number of passengers Air Jamaica carries. Not so. The statistics so far have indicated that they are maintaining there LF.

What we can not ascertain at the moment is the yield return for JM on the route. Unlike the US legacies that release quarterly report JM does not do so till the end of there financial year

The recent JM stats speak volume for themselves where LF is concerned on JFK-MBJ & JFK-KIN. B6 & DL into the mix has stimulated travel contrary to what was previously perceived. At the end of the day it is the yeild that is really important and I am eager to see what they are like.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 175):
Just an observation about ATL as I had to be there recently and I notice that Air Jamaica is still listed as a carrier using that airport - sign still at the terminal.

You can easily count the very few international airlines that operate there. No problem for them though as DL is King there and fill that void easily.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-18 04:34:02 and read 17950 times.

Plans by the Government to have a number of aerodromes in sections of the island up and running are progressing satisfactorily, according to Transport Minister Mike Henry.

He told delegates that $300 million has been spent on the Boscobel Aerodrome in St Ann and that the facility is slated to be opened to private aircraft next month.

Henry said he was asked by Prime Minister Bruce Golding to carry out an analysis of property at Duckenfield in St Thomas to determine if it could be developed into an aerodrome.

"I have finished the analysis that the prime minister asked for Duckenfield. Duckenfield can become an aerodrome, but I do not want to fire too many shots because I cannot tell him about the financing for Duckenfield and I am not going to ask the minister of finance to make a guarantee," said Henry.

In the meantime, as for the development of the Vernamfield property in Clarendon into a similar facility, Henry told delegates that a memorandum of understanding to have work commence there is being finalised.

He noted that the kind of development that will be needed at the Clarendon facility will require US$1 billion.

Henry said the work to be carried out on that aerodrome is to be done in phases.

He said that on his return from a trip to Singapore recently, he announced that the private sector could take up the challenge of establishing an Aerospace College where young people can receive training in repairing a number of things on aircraft.

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20091118/news/news6.html

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-18 09:27:11 and read 17921 times.

We now have official work that Air Jamaica is not in discussion with the sole bidder that has been reported in the past to be Indigo Partners as the Minister of Tourism Ed Bartlett has revealed in London that:

......""We are working now to see if we can get partnerships to share in the cost of operating Air Jamaica. We have had some discussions but I think that those discussions have not quite materialised, so I think Air Jamaica is back on the market. We are still seeking to find a partner. We are not interested in selling off Air Jamaica in full. Jamaica will always maintain a significant interest in Air Jamaica but we need partnerships to keep the airline alive," he said.

http://www.jis.gov.jm/indus_tourism/...6_JIS_AIR_JAMAICA_DOING_BETTER.asp

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-18 09:30:58 and read 17917 times.

Air Jamaica continues to see significant improvement in its operation since the business plan was implemented over six months ago. John Lynch, the JTB chairman spoke in London recently about the operation of the carriers:

........"Chairman of the Jamaica Tourist Board (JTB), Mr. John Lynch, has said that the performance of the national airline has improved over the last six months.

"Air Jamaica has been doing much better over the last six months. They are still losing a lot of money but by cutting their routes, rationalising, and flying more efficiently, they have cut cost. They are doing much better," Mr. Lynch told the meeting, adding that Air Jamaica continues to be an asset to the country.

http://www.jis.gov.jm/indus_tourism/...6_JIS_AIR_JAMAICA_DOING_BETTER.asp

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: Yellowtail
Posted 2009-11-18 09:33:48 and read 17914 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 179):
......""We are working now to see if we can get partnerships to share in the cost of operating Air Jamaica. We have had some discussions but I think that those discussions have not quite materialised, so I think Air Jamaica is back on the market. We are still seeking to find a partner. We are not interested in selling off Air Jamaica in full. Jamaica will always maintain a significant interest in Air Jamaica but we need partnerships to keep the airline alive," he said.

What the hell? It is like saying..."we want to sell, but don't want to".....good luck finding partners on this.....

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-18 09:42:38 and read 17916 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 179):
......""We are working now to see if we can get partnerships to share in the cost of operating Air Jamaica. We have had some discussions but I think that those discussions have not quite materialised, so I think Air Jamaica is back on the market. We are still seeking to find a partner

What a surprise..This is what we waited two years to hear???

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: Yellowtail
Posted 2009-11-18 10:05:30 and read 17902 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 182):
What a surprise..This is what we waited two years to hear??

But are any of us at all surprised?

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-18 10:25:41 and read 17894 times.



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 183):
But are any of us at all surprised?

Well, speaking for myself, am disappointed with the delays and the selection process..
But who knows, maybe The GOJ will finally find a suitor for JM ( fingers crossed)..The Indigo bid was percieved as best suited, but their intenetions were not in JM's and Jamaica's best interest..

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-18 11:10:51 and read 17875 times.



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 181):
the hell? It is like saying..."we want to sell, but don't want to".....good luck finding partners on this.....

Personally, I am elated that the discussion with Indigo did not materlise as what they were proposing to the GoJ was nothing but sheer canibalism.

The Air Jamaica brand would simple disappear and what would emerge is carbon copy of the Airone venture.

Air Jamaica is a mid-tier carrier and is quite successful at that but its main problem was its inability to reign in its cost of operation.

If that could be achieve then we would see it becoming quite profitable.

Other aspect of its operation is well managed


http://go-jamaica.com/news/read_article.php?id=14433

Fraud Squad detectives are now working with US authorities to have a former employee of Air Jamaica extradited to Jamaica.

In February the airline disclosed that it had discovered the fraudulent transfer of some of the company’s funds amounting to more than $70 million.

A junior employee from the treasury department was implicated in the crime.

Investigators had earlier reported that the funds were transferred to an overseas account.

They also believe that the implicated former employee, had taken an Air Jamaica flight to an oversees destination, a month before the fraud was discovered.

Head of the Fraud Squad, Superintendent Edwards said the investigators have since located the perpetrator.

The fraudulent transfer is being investigated by the airline’s Internal Security and Audit Departments, as well as the Fraud Squad, external auditors and international authorities.

The airline has already reportedly racked up over US$150 million per annum in losses.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: A340Jamaica
Posted 2009-11-18 18:16:40 and read 17819 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 185):
Personally, I am elated that the discussion with Indigo did not materlise as what they were proposing to the GoJ was nothing but sheer canibalism

I second that comment. Spirit would have been a disaster especially with that proposed name change to "Spirit of Jamaica". Absolute nonsense!!! Let's hope they can find a more reasonable buyer or continue in the same vein rationalizing service, looking for opportunities where they make sense etc. Getting a couple ATR-72s might not be a bad idea actually.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-11-18 18:29:21 and read 17817 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 176):
Wow, if we were to do the economics on DL's CRJ to KIN, we can see the break-even is low..I can see why they have decided to offer year round KIN service..
I do hope you enjoy your experience on AA and you will encounter a friendly immigration official..

I figure DL is charging a small premium on KIN-ATL and MBJ-ATL as currently they are the sole carrier that offer a non-stop ( which most travelers would prefer ) on those routes. The loads on their CRJ's from KIN is good as well. Not a big AA fan but their B738's are comfortable for a small aircraft. The three times I have flown with them, all segments operated ontime and check-in's speedy and efficient. Hopefully it will be smooth sailing again on this the fourth occasion. As for those immigration officials at MIA I usually have no issues with them but as we all know some of them have a '' reputation ''.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 178):
He told delegates that $300 million has been spent on the Boscobel Aerodrome in St Ann and that the facility is slated to be opened to private aircraft next month.

The writer of this article incorrectly stated that Boscobel is situated in St. Ann. Should be St. Mary. Good to see that they are '' cooking with gas '' where progress on the development of these aerodromes is concerned.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 179):
We now have official work that Air Jamaica is not in discussion with the sole bidder that has been reported in the past to be Indigo Partners as the Minister of Tourism Ed Bartlett has revealed in London that:

......""We are working now to see if we can get partnerships to share in the cost of operating Air Jamaica. We have had some discussions but I think that those discussions have not quite materialised, so I think Air Jamaica is back on the market. We are still seeking to find a partner. We are not interested in selling off Air Jamaica in full. Jamaica will always maintain a significant interest in Air Jamaica but we need partnerships to keep the airline alive," he said.



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 181):
What the hell? It is like saying..."we want to sell, but don't want to".....good luck finding partners on this.....



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 182):
What a surprise..This is what we waited two years to hear???



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 184):
Well, speaking for myself, am disappointed with the delays and the selection process..
But who knows, maybe The GOJ will finally find a suitor for JM ( fingers crossed)..The Indigo bid was percieved as best suited, but their intenetions were not in JM's and Jamaica's best interest..



Quoting JM079 (Reply 185):
Personally, I am elated that the discussion with Indigo did not materlise as what they were proposing to the GoJ was nothing but sheer canibalism.

The Air Jamaica brand would simple disappear and what would emerge is carbon copy of the Airone venture.

Air Jamaica is a mid-tier carrier and is quite successful at that but its main problem was its inability to reign in its cost of operation.

If that could be achieve then we would see it becoming quite profitable.

Other aspect of its operation is well managed

Honestly as much as I am disappointed with the continuous delays where the divestment of JM is concerned , the '' NK/Spirit of Jamaica '' thing did not appeal to me one bit for the above aforementioned reasons. Obviously those involved in the process were not convinced that NK's proposal was in JM's/Jamaica's best interest. So JM is still in the '' holding pattern '' for the time being.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 185):
Fraud Squad detectives are now working with US authorities to have a former employee of Air Jamaica extradited to Jamaica.

Was just about to ask what was the latest on this issue. Good that he was caught. JM gave him an opportunity due to his abilities and that is the thanks he gave back the company ?

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-18 19:02:19 and read 17800 times.



Quoting A340Jamaica (Reply 186):
Getting a couple ATR-72s might not be a bad idea actually.

I second this concept..I have a strong feeling they will find a partner who will capitalise on the hub potentials of MBJ and KIN..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 187):
The writer of this article incorrectly stated that Boscobel is situated in St. Ann. Should be St. Mary. Good to see that they are '' cooking with gas '' where progress on the development of these aerodromes is concerned.

Mr Henry is in overdrive to develop Jamaica's transportation sector..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 187):
Obviously those involved in the process were not convinced that NK's proposal was in JM's/Jamaica's best interest



Quoting JM079 (Reply 185):
Personally, I am elated that the discussion with Indigo did not materlise as what they were proposing to the GoJ was nothing but sheer canibalism

More like Bruce was not convinced..Mr Lalor has different intentions for the company..That was one reason there was a bid from the pilots, their jobs were at risk as Indigo would only keep 10% of the current staff..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 187):
I figure DL is charging a small premium on KIN-ATL and MBJ-ATL as currently they are the sole carrier that offer a non-stop ( which most travelers would prefer ) on those routes.

Smart move on their part..

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-18 23:46:16 and read 17763 times.



Quoting A340Jamaica (Reply 186):
I second that comment. Spirit would have been a disaster especially with that proposed name change to "Spirit of Jamaica".

I have read the document that the GoJ issued relating to this divestment so many times and I am astouding that the divestment committee could have entertain the idea of what I called "cannibalising' JM. Even the proposed name needs to be re-exmine as "spirit of jamaica" is the name given to one of JM planes.

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 187):
Was just about to ask what was the latest on this issue. Good that he was caught. JM gave him an opportunity due to his abilities and that is the thanks he gave back the company ?

There is still justice out there.

Just like how I am convince that the long arm of the law will catch up with the former finance minister, the former chairman of JM and the other board member who the Contractor General named as meddling in the sale of the LHR landing slots.

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 187):
Honestly as much as I am disappointed with the continuous delays where the divestment of JM is concerned , the '' NK/Spirit of Jamaica '' thing did not appeal to me one bit for the above aforementioned reasons. Obviously those involved in the process were not convinced that NK's proposal was in JM's/Jamaica's best interest. So JM is still in the '' holding pattern '' for the time being.

What has emerged from all of this is that the divestment did not have wide spread support amonst government ministers. Mr Mike Henry, the transport minister is a firm supporter of Air Jamaica and without his support the deal was dead from the moment it was reveal that Indigo was asking to do.

Similarily, what Caribbean Airlines was proposing did not meet the litmus test.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-19 00:23:16 and read 17760 times.

Kingston Properties Limited (KPREIT) has announced that it has sold its interest in the Trinidad based Carlton Savannah.

The Jamaica company had developed the up-scale hotel ( http://www.thecarltonsavannah.com/ ) will now focus on opening up a new hotel in Kingston. Info on the ground is that Kingston Properties is interesting in purchasing the 200 room hotel in down town Kingston. The hotel is currently closed and is the building is being used as office space.

KPREIT was formally known as Carlton Savannah Reit.

........"The sale proceeds will be reinvested in a diversified portfolio of real estate properties that "will continue to deliver sustainable and superior long-term yields to shareholder". KPREIT made $15.8-million profit for the nine-months ending September mostly from unrealised foreign exchange gains and investment income. It currently has $531.3 million in total equity versus $479.8 million in December 2008.

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/magaz...Y__TO_REVEAL_PLANS_BY_YEAR_END.asp

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The returning of the Oceana Hotel in the downtown core will boost the room stock of the capital city hotel inventory.

The development of the Carlton Savannah has a lot of significance as this was a private sector initiative and I am a firm supporter of such a venture. We have Sandals and Superclubs around the region and now KPREIT.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-19 09:02:16 and read 17708 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 190):
The Jamaica company had developed the up-scale hotel ( http://www.thecarltonsavannah.com/ ) will now focus on opening up a new hotel in Kingston. Info on the ground is that Kingston Properties is interesting in purchasing the 200 room hotel in down town Kingston. The hotel is currently closed and is the building is being used as office space.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 190):
The returning of the Oceana Hotel in the downtown core will boost the room stock of the capital city hotel inventory.

I can imagine Kingston doing well with a lot of regional conferences and seminar...This will lead to an increase in business traffic to the city..

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-11-19 09:14:14 and read 17710 times.



Quoting A340Jamaica (Reply 186):
I second that comment. Spirit would have been a disaster especially with that proposed name change to "Spirit of Jamaica". Absolute nonsense!!! Let's hope they can find a more reasonable buyer or continue in the same vein rationalizing service, looking for opportunities where they make sense etc. Getting a couple ATR-72s might not be a bad idea actually.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 189):
I have read the document that the GoJ issued relating to this divestment so many times and I am astouding that the divestment committee could have entertain the idea of what I called "cannibalising' JM. Even the proposed name needs to be re-exmine as "spirit of jamaica" is the name given to one of JM planes.

Funny enough one of NK's aircraft ( an A321 I think ) is also named " Spirit Of Jamaica ''. More of a title/slogan IMO than an airline name.


Sell Air J to pilots and staff

'' Dear Editor,
Readers are aware of the attempts - unsuccessful so far - to divest Air Jamaica. The divestment is understandable as the government wishes to get Air Jamaica off the budget.

There have been rumours of various offers to acquire the company but so far the silence has been deafening.

However, on the table is the offer by the Air Jamaica Pilots Association on behalf of other members of staff to acquire the company. ''

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/lette...SELL_AIR_J_TO_PILOTS_AND_STAFF.asp

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: LimaMike
Posted 2009-11-19 11:16:57 and read 17674 times.

According to Flightstats.com B6 operates 2x JFK-MBJ-JFK on Friday 20th. B6 had indicated their intentions to up MBJ service to 11x weekly. What are the days for the additional frequencies?

Interestingly though, AA who had operated MBJ daily with A300s in the past seem content with 4x weekly service even in light of the B6 build up. And is DL 's JFK-MBJ 2x weekly (Sat/Sun)?

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: Speedbird2263
Posted 2009-11-19 11:23:00 and read 17670 times.



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 183):
But are any of us at all surprised?

Not in the least bit mi amigo  Smile

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-19 11:44:20 and read 17665 times.

The hospitality industry in KIN has been given another major boost today with the news that the capital city will be getting another hotel.

One of Kingston financial institution - Pan Jamaican Investment Trust Limited has acquired lands from the GoJ to construct a high rise hotel along with residential and office space.

........."Cabinet has approved the sale of lands in New Kingston to Pan Jamaican Investment Trust Limited.

According to Daryl Vaz, Information Minister, the development will coincide with plans by the Urban Development Corporation (UDC) for that section of the Corporate Area.

"The proposed Pan Jamaica development is consistent with the principles informing the preparation of the UDC's development plan for new investment in the Liguanea land area of New Kingston's business district. The proposal will also complement the existing cluster of hotels in the area offering additional and diversified hotel rooms.

"Cabinet gave approval for the sale to Pan Jamaican Investment Trust Limited after muchconsideration," said Mr. Vaz at Wednesday's post Cabinet press briefing.

www.radiojamaica.com.

Pan Jamaican, Sandals and Kingston Properties will be adding greatly to the room count of the city. The Meetings, Incentives, Conferences & Exhibitions Market (MICE) will find Kingston to be an attractive location. No doubt these investors are using the present economic climate to position there companies for growth. It is fair to say then that in the next three years there will be an additional 500 rooms that will opening up.

What has come to mind is the chain of hotels that are owned by the Spaniard in the resort cities of MBJ, NEG and OCJ in which there was only one or two at the beginning. But of late there has been an influx.

There is another reason for the recent news about these new investments in the tourism industry in the capital city and it has to do with the fact that the GOJ is offering some major tax incentives to the private sector to invest in the physical plant of the city.

The expansion and rehabilitation of the Norman Manley Airport is contributing to the growth of the Meetings, Incentives, Conferences & Exhibitions Market.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 191):
I can imagine Kingston doing well with a lot of regional conferences and seminar...This will lead to an increase in business traffic to the city

Most definitely and as I have pointed out there has been a quick succession of news about the new room count that KIN will be getting.

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 192):
Funny enough one of NK's aircraft ( an A321 I think ) is also named " Spirit Of Jamaica ''. More of a title/slogan IMO than an airline name

I agree totally. Who so ever that comes up with that name certainly did not do there market research. As that concept will not fly (pun intended). If that was the case then Jamaicans would have gravitated towards Spirit Airlines and Air Jamaica would not be the dominant carrier on the FLL -KIN/MBJ route.

OFF TOPIC: When Cable and Wirless rebranded and called itself "LIME" - you have to ask yourself what were they thinking? LIME means totally two different things in Jamaica and Trinidad ( You idle about in Trinidad and chill while LIME is something you put in a beverage in Jamaica).

[Edited 2009-11-19 11:45:59]

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-11-19 16:10:22 and read 17606 times.

Quoting LimaMike (Reply 193):
According to Flightstats.com B6 operates 2x JFK-MBJ-JFK on Friday 20th. B6 had indicated their intentions to up MBJ service to 11x weekly. What are the days for the additional frequencies?

From my earlier observations the additional frequencies by B6 on the JFK-MBJ route was scheduled to operate on weekends. Not certain if changes were made as to what days will see these additional frequencies, but if we should do the math then they would have to operate 2x daily on 4 days out of the week and daily on the remaining days to accomplish their proposed 11x weekly. Of course they could also operate 3x daily on 2 days of the week and daily on the others but doubt they would do it like that.

Quoting LimaMike (Reply 193):
And is DL 's JFK-MBJ 2x weekly (Sat/Sun)?

DL change their frequencies/schedules so often that it isn't easy to keep up with them. What I do know is that they will increase JFK-MBJ to daily some time next year ( around early Summer ) Knowing them this schedule might very well change again.

[Edited 2009-11-19 16:20:40]

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-19 17:12:14 and read 17573 times.

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 196):
From my earlier observations the additional frequencies by B6 on the JFK-MBJ route was scheduled to operate on weekends. Not certain if changes were made as to what days will see these additional frequencies, but if we should do the math then they would have to operate 2x daily on 4 days out of the week and daily on the remaining days to accomplish their proposed 11x weekly. Of course they could also operate 3x daily on 2 days of the week and daily on the others but doubt they would do it like that.

Wow, am shocked at this early increase in flights..Previously it was mentioned, the flights would start in December..
Starting tommorrow, B6 will add frequencies on Fri, Sat, Tues and Wed..

AA will operate 5 weekly flights..

DL will operate Sat only..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 196):
DL change their frequencies/schedules so often that it isn't easy to keep up with them. What I do know is that they will increase JFK-MBJ to daily some time next year ( around early Summer ) Knowing them this schedule might very well change again.


Eff Dec 19- Jan10,2010, they will do daily...

[Edited 2009-11-19 17:34:45]

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-19 21:34:29 and read 17539 times.

There is an official position on the JM divestment saga in which the Ministry of Information has confirmed that the sale of the carrier is being affected by the current economic condition that the country faces.

The GoJ is curently in talks with the IMF to secure a 2 billion USD loan that will help with the country's balance of payment account. However, as a part of the condition of the load the GoJ has to reduce its heavy debt burden. If the GoJ is to finance the divestment of the national then it has to incur additional debt in addition it will also have to taken on the debt of the carrier and add it to it overall debt management.

That is a major hiderance at the moment.

In addition, the minister of information has revealed that the GoJ is now talking still with Indio and the Air Jamaica Pilot Association to see if they can arrive at a common level.


http://go-jamaica.com/news/read_article.php?id=14509

The divestment of Air Jamaica is now contingent on the signing of an accord between the Bruce Golding led administration and the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

Information Minister Daryl Vaz told The Gleaner Power 106 News this afternoon that the divestment cost is a major factor in the IMF talks.

He gave the assurance that negotiations with at least two investors to partner with the Government to run the airline are continuing.

It will cost the Government close to US$200 million to divest the national airline.

The recommendation of the committee set up to carry out the divestment process has been before Cabinet since last month.

President and CEO of the airline Bruce Nobles confirmed that talks are continuing to divest the national carrier.

However, Nobles was not able to comment on the IMF talks.

Meanwhile, according to Tourism Minister Edmund Bartlett Air Jamaica is now back on the market for divestment.

Bartlett said discussions to secure a partner to operate the airline have not materialized.

He said the Government is still seeking to find a partner.

He was speaking earlier this week at the World Travel Market trade show in the United Kingdom.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-20 07:49:20 and read 17499 times.

ACTIVIST GROUP FIGHTS TO KEEP AIR JAMAICA FROM FOREIGN OWNERSHIP


Mayday Air Jamaica takes stand against Spirit Airlines' bid to purchase Air J

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/magaz...IRLINES__BID_TO_PURCHASE_AIR_J.asp


A former president of the Jamaica Airline Pilots Association has sent an open letter to Spirit Airlines, asking the low-cost carrier to drop its bid to purchase Air Jamaica and disclose the purchase price to the current and former Air Jamaica employees who are determined to keep the country's only airline under Jamaican ownership - even if it means purchasing it themselves.

Wesley Sampson and his organisation, Mayday Air Jamaica, mean business: If Spirit Airlines does not walk away from the deal, Mayday Air Jamaica and its supporters will picket at Air Jamaica in Miami on December 15. Sampson is staging the peaceful protest knowing full well its potential to disrupt holiday travel at one of the nation's busiest hubs.

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http://www.maydayairjamaica.com/Home_Page.html

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...purchase-air-jamaica-70454052.html

[Edited 2009-11-20 08:02:28]

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-11-20 09:49:41 and read 17475 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 197):
am shocked at this early increase in flights..Previously it was mentioned, the flights would start in December..
Starting tommorrow, B6 will add frequencies on Fri, Sat, Tues and Wed..

December dates for the additional flights by B6 on JFK-MBJ was what I was aware of as well. Demand for their seats is obviously very strong.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 197):
DL will operate Sat only..



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 197):
Eff Dec 19- Jan10,2010, they will do daily...

I see. Wasn't aware they planned to start JFK-MBJ daily for the peak X-mas holiday season. Anticipated an increase of sorts but thought it would have been less than daily.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 199):
ACTIVIST GROUP FIGHTS TO KEEP AIR JAMAICA FROM FOREIGN OWNERSHIP


Mayday Air Jamaica takes stand against Spirit Airlines' bid to purchase Air J

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/magaz...J.asp

Quite detailed and interesting readings here. The saga continues.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: Speedbird2263
Posted 2009-11-20 11:07:58 and read 17468 times.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 200):
Quite detailed and interesting readings here. The saga continues.

I really wonder what will come of it all  scratchchin  Even more so I wonder what all the Pilots at JALPA have to say about this. Rather interesting times ahead...

 twocents 

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-20 13:32:18 and read 17440 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 198):
There is an official position on the JM divestment saga in which the Ministry of Information has confirmed that the sale of the carrier is being affected by the current economic condition that the country faces.

I have exhausted myself on this topic....Lets see what is the next big surprise

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 200):
December dates for the additional flights by B6 on JFK-MBJ was what I was aware of as well. Demand for their seats is obviously very strong.

I was shocked at the sudden increase in flights..Last I checked, they had these increases listed for December..This is an indication that LCCs as B6 are clearly stimulating the toursim market from the Northeast to MBJ...

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 200):
I see. Wasn't aware they planned to start JFK-MBJ daily for the peak X-mas holiday season. Anticipated an increase of sorts but thought it would have been less than daily.

Its tricky to follow DL with their flight schedules..Next year summer, they will operate daily from JFK-MBJ.

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 200):
Quite detailed and interesting readings here. The saga continues.



Quoting Speedbird2263 (Reply 201):
I really wonder what will come of it all Even more so I wonder what all the Pilots at JALPA have to say about this. Rather interesting times ahead...

I cant seem to understand what they hope to accomplish from these actions....Indigo cannot be blamed for submitting their business proposal to The GOJ...If, there is anyone that is to be blamed, it is the Divestment Committe who made the selection.....

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-20 14:59:02 and read 17417 times.

Look at these pics from B6 inaugural flights to BGI and UVF....

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jetblue...622668178900/show/with/4047421336/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jetblue/sets/72157622369649381/

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I got these pic taken of BA on the ramp in MBJ yesterday...The pics are not clear..



Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: LimaMike
Posted 2009-11-20 18:50:02 and read 17366 times.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 202):
I have exhausted myself on this topic....Lets see what is the next big surprise

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Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-20 19:25:31 and read 17359 times.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 200):

Quite detailed and interesting readings here. The saga continues.

If anything this reveals the historical political interferance in the operations of the carrier all these many years and it confirms what we already talked about.

However, in the broader context of things nothing much is going to come out of this as there many examples of government pursuing there own agenda irrespective of public concerns and pressure.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 202):

I was shocked at the sudden increase in flights..Last I checked, they had these increases listed for December..This is an indication that LCCs as B6 are clearly stimulating the toursim market from the Northeast to MBJ...

HB, Jetblue is reaping success on there MBJ route due to the fact that they have a product that is quite appealing and they have develop a repuatation for a great service. They have been able to market there NYC route to Jamaica as they are working in conjunction with some awesome hotels in Jamaica.

Competitively, the Jamaican hotels are a steal this year. There has been a significant amount of price slashing which has benifited so many consumers.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-20 21:05:39 and read 17339 times.

This is turning out to be one positive year for the travel and tourism industry in Jamaica as this time it was named "Golf destination of the year for the Caribbean and Latin America".


........"Golf-lovers ought to book their next trip to Jamaica, which received the title "Golf Destination of the Year for the Caribbean and Latin America" at the 2009 International Golf Travel Market. The destination was voted on by more than 300 members of the International Association of Golf Tour Operators.

Jamaica is home to 12 courses throughout the island, which cover a wide range of atmosphere and characteristics. From December 2-6 it will host the fouth annual Jamaica Invitational Pro-Am 'Annie's Revenge,' presented by the Jamaica Tourist Board and Nike Golf.

http://www.travelagentcentral.com/ja...ca-named-best-caribbean-golf-18484

The investment in the physical plant has contriubuted significantly.

It is fair to predict that once the other projects that were announced recently come on stream the country will other benefits as well/

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM02
Posted 2009-11-21 02:28:29 and read 17300 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 198):
The GoJ is curently in talks with the IMF to secure a 2 billion USD loan

The GOJ has applied for US$1.2 Billion for balance of payments support (not budgetary support, there is quite a difference).
To privatize JM is estimated to cost US$200 Million.
On privatization US$400 Million of JM’s debt becomes due owing to change of ownership clauses.

If and when the GOJ signs a deal with the IMF the other multilaterals such as the IDB, CDB and EU will be happy to come on board, but not before. It is these multilaterals who will offer the GOJ budgetary support that the GOJ can use for house keeping purposes, i.e. JM. However, this money is not a gimme and the GOJ will have to apply for it so if they are tardy and don’t get it till February or March then expect JM to still be on the GOJ’s books into the new financial year.
This Govt does not have a good record of meeting timelines.

There is no way that the GOJ can afford to keep JM with or without the IMF, because although JM’s current business model and costs are more inline with industry standards. She’s still losing ‘’a lot’’ of money as was pointed out by the head of the JTB in London. The reasons that were previously given for her privatization are still extant so the privatization process must and will continue. The IMF will see to that!

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-11-21 04:19:28 and read 17287 times.



Quoting Speedbird2263 (Reply 201):
I really wonder what will come of it all

Only '' time'' can answer that million dollar question.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 202):
This is an indication that LCCs as B6 are clearly stimulating the toursim market from the Northeast to MBJ...



Quoting JM079 (Reply 205):
HB, Jetblue is reaping success on there MBJ route due to the fact that they have a product that is quite appealing and they have develop a repuatation for a great service. They have been able to market there NYC route to Jamaica as they are working in conjunction with some awesome hotels in Jamaica.

Agree. There is no absolutely doubt about that. As we have disclosed many times it is a win/win situation for both the traveling public and our tourism industry. Many people who blog are also hoping that one day they will serve ATL-MBJ. But not certain when that will happen as B6 no longer serve ATL period.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 203):
Look at these pics from B6 inaugural flights to BGI and UVF....

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jetblue...622668178900/show/with/4047421336/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jetblue...9381/

Lots of fanfare as with their MBJ & KIN inaugurals.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 203):
I got these pic taken of BA on the ramp in MBJ yesterday...The pics are not clear..

Good too see the 777 back in the '' Bay '' again.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 206):
This is turning out to be one positive year for the travel and tourism industry in Jamaica as this time it was named "Golf destination of the year for the Caribbean and Latin America".

Accolades keep pouring in. Impressive.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-21 10:31:05 and read 17235 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 205):
HB, Jetblue is reaping success on there MBJ route due to the fact that they have a product that is quite appealing and they have develop a repuatation for a great service. They have been able to market there NYC route to Jamaica as they are working in conjunction with some awesome hotels in Jamaica.

I agree...During this winter, we will be seeing up to 5 daily flights on the JFK-MBJ route..

Its amazing that B6 recently started the route and has been able to add more frequencies, while AA and DL has been dragging their feet on the market....

Quoting JM079 (Reply 206):
This is turning out to be one positive year for the travel and tourism industry in Jamaica as this time it was named "Golf destination of the year for the Caribbean and Latin America".


........"Golf-lovers ought to book their next trip to Jamaica, which received the title "Golf Destination of the Year for the Caribbean and Latin America" at the 2009 International Golf Travel Market. The destination was voted on by more than 300 members of the International Association of Golf Tour Operators.

I agree...I guess we have to compare all these awards to our success in Beijing and Berlin..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 208):
Agree. There is no absolutely doubt about that. As we have disclosed many times it is a win/win situation for both the traveling public and our tourism industry. Many people who blog are also hoping that one day they will serve ATL-MBJ. But not certain when that will happen as B6 no longer serve ATL period.

I believe we will see the same success in ATL with AirTran..Luckily, they will be able to co-exist with DL.

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 208):
Good too see the 777 back in the '' Bay '' again.

It will be an interesting day at MBJ, we are bombarded with British flights..

BA 777 LGW
VS 744 LGW
TCX A332 LGW
TCX A332 MAN
TOM 763 GLA

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM079
Posted 2009-11-21 11:43:15 and read 17217 times.



Quoting JM02 (Reply 207):

Rather unfortunate isn't it but it is true that one way or the other the national carrier has to be taken off the national treasury. Air Jamaica is just one of so many state agencies that has to stand on there own.

I stand corrected in that post - if i had given the impression that the deal with the IMF is for budgetary expenses then I am sorry as I know that the IMF does not do such thing as they are more concern about the balance of payment and Jamaica's ability to access capital on the oversee market.

R.Anne Shirley - a financial analyst in Kingston puts the matter into perspective ( http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/glean...r/20091121/business/business1.html ).

The matter of the divestment at the moment is two fold:

1/ The GoJ coming up with the money to cover the cost of the divestment.

2/ The continuing speculating as to what sort of model that they intent to pursue in order to gain maximum returns from Air Jamaica.


There has been quite a bit of muttering from JM divestment committee chairman who has been on talk radio in Kingston about the need for JM to stay in the game and at this present moment the most logical step is for the national carrier is to go LCC.

I interpret that as a sign that Air Jamaica under the new owners will be going head to head with the current list of carriers who flies in to the Island.

If we look further a field we see Air France/KLM un-veiling a new business strategy to go LCC on there short and medium haul routes due to the stiff competitions they are facing.

If that is what is proposed for JM then it is fair to say that the carrier market will revolve around a market that is primarily a short and medium haul.

That concept by the way is not finding any favor with Mike Henry and the people at the Ministry of Transport.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: JM02
Posted 2009-11-21 13:47:38 and read 17200 times.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 210):
That concept by the way is not finding any favor with Mike Henry and the people at the Ministry of Transport.

JM is in effect a LCC carrier and that is the way the industry is going nowadays, it's the only way to keep your head above water and i for one fully support the LCC model. In fact in one of my Nostradarmus turns in March, I predicted JM would do this. (Wish it worked for the lotto).
It's the ULCC carriers like NK and FR who charge you for every single service that I wont fly with. There is no longer a EU airline whose short and medium hall service cannot be classed as of the LCC variety, the difference now is what they charge you for. i.e AF still give you a free drink and a (singular) biscuit, whilst IB will charge you €10 for a similar service.

For the moment I think JM will continue with its concentration on North America, I would love to see them in a codeshare with BA on the London route as was previously the case. The LON route is now alot more competitive than when JM left, but if they could get a aircraft of the size of the 787 or A332 it could be do-able. However, London was always about prestige and right now thats now what JM is about, better to stay a niche carrier concentrating on what they know rather than going up against the beast that is BA. In 12-18 months time BA will be alot leaner once they knock the union in shape. Just imagine how competitive BA will be when they halve their staff cost and come into line with the likes of Virgin.

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: AirJamaica
Posted 2009-11-21 14:54:36 and read 17176 times.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 209):
Its amazing that B6 recently started the route and has been able to add more frequencies, while AA and DL has been dragging their feet on the market....

As was recently posted, gone are the days when AA had daily year round wide bodies operating on JFK-MBJ. I am wondering if they have any future plans to base some of their B738 fleet at JFK to operate certain routes. Doubt they would operate them on JFK- Caribbean extensively as the routes are heavy VFR/leisure.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 209):
It will be an interesting day at MBJ, we are bombarded with British flights..

BA 777 LGW
VS 744 LGW
TCX A332 LGW
TCX A332 MAN
TOM 763 GLA

My cousin is on VS 065 LGW-MBJ today. It departed one hour late and should arrive MBJ at approximately 6:00pm. Great line up there from the U.K. I heard that some their B744's are not in the best of shape. They get the job done but many are eagerly awaiting the arrival of the A330's.

Quoting JM02 (Reply 211):
It's the ULCC carriers like NK and FR who charge you for every single service that I wont fly with.

The irony about it is when you math up everything, at times NK fares are even more than AA, JM etc. But in some shape or form many carriers are gravitating towards this LCC model strategy for the same reasons you outlined.

.

[Edited 2009-11-21 14:57:10]

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: Ilanbwoy
Posted 2009-11-21 16:49:21 and read 17147 times.

Hello all...been away from the thread for a while. Its been good reading today. 100 plus postings i had not read. Anyways, the Wesley Sampson thing..should be interesting. I met him in the past and he is a bit of a radical person. For both the govt and also the jalpa..it might be best he doesnt get involved. He is smart..but a radical.

Lots of good info from the usual contributors. Keep it up guys.

By the way, I just got back from Jamaica thursday and flew the mini bus both in and out of fll. You can definitley feel that its smaller. They have made a few changes since i last flew on it with the addition of the 8 seat j class and also the purser panel no longer says skybus..it has the jm logo.


Lata

Topic: RE: The Gateway To Paradise-MBJ..Jamaican Thread #20
Username: HummingBird
Posted 2009-11-22 08:51:51 and read 17078 times.

New Thread ready..
City Vibes- "Kingston" Jamaican Thread 21 (by HummingBird Nov 22 2009 in Civil Aviation)


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