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Topic: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: OA260
Posted 2009-12-20 03:42:18 and read 11280 times.

Cold Weather Closes Manchester Airport

The travel plans of thousands in the North of England have been hit as Manchester Airport shuts because of the severe weather.

All inbound and outbound flights have been temporarily cancelled.
The airport is expected to remain closed for up to an hour while snow and ice is cleared off the runway.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-...tions_As_Cold_Snap_Set_To_Continue

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: SKORD
Posted 2009-12-20 03:47:01 and read 11266 times.

Pathetic! They have have known for days that this was due, and they have 2 runways!! Yet again.... MAN continues to be a useless in any type of weather accurance. SHAMEFULL!!

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: LHR380
Posted 2009-12-20 04:06:06 and read 11188 times.

SKORD, LHR has its own share of problems, but I guess we have not had as much snow as MAN must have had.

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: DALCA
Posted 2009-12-20 04:20:27 and read 11120 times.

The whole of Europe is being affected by snowfall.

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: SKORD
Posted 2009-12-20 04:23:26 and read 11119 times.

Their Web-site is also down! This used to be a superb airport 20years ago, now its just crap!! I live maybe 800yards from the end of the runway, and we have max 2" of snow.

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: BestWestern
Posted 2009-12-20 04:30:30 and read 11067 times.



Quoting SKORD (Reply 4):
we have max 2" of snow.

You try breaking a car in 2'' of snow, now try an aircraft.

No doubt the snow is very wet, and hence the hardest to clear.

Quoting SKORD (Reply 4):
now its just crap!

Give the guys a break - it takes time to clear snow from a runway, especially when snow is infrequent.

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: SKORD
Posted 2009-12-20 05:02:41 and read 10968 times.



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 5):
Give the guys a break - it takes time to clear snow from a runway, especially when snow is infrequent.

Its the management of the airport that i have issues with. They have spent millions upon MILLIONS, doind up airside... and all we get is bombarded with Duty-Free shops!!! There are no windows, no open spaces, its horrible!!
Now.. when he bad weather kicks in, there is no infastructure to deal with it! But hay... we have shops!!

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: Dazbo5
Posted 2009-12-20 05:03:55 and read 10971 times.

The runway (single ops) was closed to clear snow and re-opened again at 1230. It might not be for long with snow still falling. 30 miles north, we have 4" of snow at the moment and it's still coming down heavy. I know what you mean though, this country is ridiculous when it comes to a bit of snow. I know we don't get these conditions very often and economics rule, but when I was in northern Finland this time last year (200km north of the Arctic circle), 3-4ft of snow was just another day. Maybe some of the merchant bankers bonuses should be used to buy some snow ploughs and other machinery to help us after we bailed them out.

Darren

EDIT

Quote:
Its the management of the airport that i have issues with. They have spent millions upon MILLIONS, doind up airside... and all we get is bombarded with Duty-Free shops!!! There are no windows, no open spaces, its horrible!!
Now.. when he bad weather kicks in, there is no infastructure to deal with it! But hay... we have shops!!

Totally agree with you  bigthumbsup 

[Edited 2009-12-20 05:05:58]

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: BestWestern
Posted 2009-12-20 05:12:18 and read 10918 times.



Quoting SKORD (Reply 6):
hey have spent millions upon MILLIONS, doind up airside... and all we get is bombarded with Duty-Free shops!!! There are no windows, no open spaces, its horrible!!

Duty Free shops provide revenue, and hence lower landing charges to airlines. They provide revenue on a day to day basis. Windows and open spaces dont.

In a time when airlines are screaming for lower charges investment goes into where money can be made, such as car-parks and coffee shops.

The Duty Free shops in Manchester are run by an Italian company - and they provide Manchester airport serious revenue at zero costs for the airport.

How many hours a year is Manchester closed by snow? Do your airlines want to pay £2 extra per ticket to get that runway open 15 mins earlier?

Quoting Dazbo5 (Reply 7):
was in northern Finland this time last year (200km north of the Arctic circle), 3-4ft of snow was just another day.

Different snow - Finnish and Russian snow tends to be drier, and not as sticky as British Isles snow - which is warmer, and harder to shift. It also provides less traction.

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: OA260
Posted 2009-12-20 05:28:58 and read 10851 times.

Runway 1 cleared and opening shortly.

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: Vfw614
Posted 2009-12-20 05:40:25 and read 10771 times.

Does not really matter - as airports on the continent are also closed, there will not be that much traffic anyway  Smile AMS, BRU, LGG, DUS, NRN, FRA, to name a few, have all refused to accept all or at least some inbound aircraft since ealrier today.

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: ElbowRoom
Posted 2009-12-20 05:40:51 and read 10771 times.



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 8):
In a time when airlines are screaming for lower charges investment goes into where money can be made, such as car-parks and coffee shops.

I want to use an airport where people are calm, not screaming. I want a few decent shops and lots of windows. I want the runway efficiently cleared of snow. And I am prepared to pay a reasonable amount for it.

Used Zurich airport recently, what a pleasure. Likewise SFO, for example.

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: Richierich
Posted 2009-12-20 06:20:11 and read 10639 times.



Quoting ElbowRoom (Reply 11):
Likewise SFO, for example.

Well SFO doesn't have to worry about snow removal...

The East Coast of the US is getting socked by 2 feet of snow - I wonder how long MAN would be closed if that happened?!

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: SKORD
Posted 2009-12-20 06:20:15 and read 10639 times.



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 8):
Do your airlines want to pay £2 extra per ticket to get that runway open 15 mins earlier?

Yes!!! Most definately! And i would be more than happy to pay it for them.

Quoting ElbowRoom (Reply 11):



I want to use an airport where people are calm, not screaming. I want a few decent shops and lots of windows. I want the runway efficiently cleared of snow. And I am prepared to pay a reasonable amount for it.

I couldnt agree with you more!  Big grin

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: Cainanuk
Posted 2009-12-20 06:29:42 and read 10607 times.

To be fair... I am currently at work at MAN. I have worked at this airport since 2002 and this is easily the worst snow event we have had since I started here. The guys and gals operating the snow removal equipment have been working flat out since last night. The problem as has been stated earlier is that the snow is heavy wet snow. What has been happening is that we get snow and then a good covering of granular snow on top of what has already fallen. This then causes freezing and ice build up. when it has been snowing it has been coming down very very heavily. By the time they get to the end of the runway, the end they just cleared is a mess. Also, with deicing, holdover times are significantly reduced in falling snow, so with the airport opening and closing intermittently, aircraft are having to be deiced numerous times. I think that SKORD ought to realise the logistics of running a large airfield before running his mouth.

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: FCA767
Posted 2009-12-20 06:32:07 and read 10586 times.



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 5):
You try breaking a car in 2'' of snow, now try an aircraft.

No doubt the snow is very wet, and hence the hardest to clear.

Yes Defo! I was driving at 5 MPH, another car reversing out of drive way, we had about a 1mph bump because he couldnt stop coming down the slightest drop in pavement, it all happened so slowly...
One of those things where if I breaked under the current 3mph as i was deciding, it would have been the middle section he bumped into, so instead waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas the back end...
Took me about 1.5 hours to go a normally 30 mins, I was being carefull...

Quoting SKORD (Reply 6):
Its the management of the airport that i have issues with. They have spent millions upon MILLIONS, doind up airside... and all we get is bombarded with Duty-Free shops!!! There are no windows, no open spaces, its horrible!!
Now.. when he bad weather kicks in, there is no infastructure to deal with it! But hay... we have shops!!

I agree on the poor management! I complained about a smoking area, you know the long terminal 2 with just gates along the long walkway, they decided to have an open smoking area at a gate, so any unlucky person wanted to get past to the other gates have to breath in the smoke for at least 3 gates of walking...
Let alone having to man the gates...
And dont get me started on Car parking Prices, and then the fact that they dont let you collect arriving passengers like you would normally do, instead making you park so you have to pay...They still using the Car Bomb Excuse even though departures one is open...

I use the departure one for arrivals  Smile

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: Dazbo5
Posted 2009-12-20 06:34:52 and read 10575 times.

Seems like three aircraft have also been hit by lightening on departure as well, two were happy to continue while one returned. It's all happening in MAN today, and many other parts of europe! Spare a thought for those that have lost their lives in all of this bad weather (not airport related I'll add!). We might moan about things here, but there's a serious side to all this as well.

Quoting Richierich (Reply 12):
The East Coast of the US is getting socked by 2 feet of snow - I wonder how long MAN would be closed if that happened?!

The airports would be the least of our worries, the whole country would be at a standstill until it thawed!

Darren

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: FCA767
Posted 2009-12-20 06:35:23 and read 10576 times.



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 8):
Duty Free shops provide revenue, and hence lower landing charges to airlines. They provide revenue on a day to day basis. Windows and open spaces dont.

Not with Manchester though...Even Ryanair complained about them...they are a rip off just like their car parking fees

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: Davehammer
Posted 2009-12-20 06:39:20 and read 10556 times.



Quoting ElbowRoom (Reply 11):
I want to use an airport where people are calm, not screaming. I want a few decent shops and lots of windows. I want the runway efficiently cleared of snow. And I am prepared to pay a reasonable amount for it.

That's as maybe, but it has been proved many times over that low prices are king. We'd all like every airport to be like ZRH but it just isn't gonna happen.

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: SKORD
Posted 2009-12-20 06:52:05 and read 10474 times.



Quoting Cainanuk (Reply 14):
have worked at this airport since 2002

I started work here in 1988!!!

Quoting Cainanuk (Reply 14):
I think that SKORD ought to realise the logistics of running a large airfield before running his mouth.

Why? Its a very badly run airport, in my opinion, and im quite within my right to say so!!

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: Planesarecool
Posted 2009-12-20 06:54:41 and read 10459 times.



Quoting SKORD (Reply 6):
They have spent millions upon MILLIONS, doind up airside... and all we get is bombarded with Duty-Free shops!!! There are no windows, no open spaces, its horrible!!

So basically, they're catering for the 95% who want shops and entertainment while waiting for their flight, and not the 5% that want to sit and watch the aircraft, while also maximising revenue and helping to keep costs down. Seems like good management to me.

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: FCA767
Posted 2009-12-20 07:11:42 and read 10403 times.



Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 20):
So basically, they're catering for the 95% who want shops and entertainment while waiting for their flight, and not the 5% that want to sit and watch the aircraft, while also maximising revenue and helping to keep costs down. Seems like good management to me.

MAN Could learn a bit from Singapore Airport...Free Games like BF2 Free Cinema and the nice shops...not like manchester...Even T2 has been ripped apart last April when I went through there, I now have to go upstairs then downstairs to go through security

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: OA260
Posted 2009-12-20 07:22:51 and read 10356 times.

Gotta love Sky News live reporting though, they are showing a Globespan A/C saying its stationary due to the bad weather !

Like it was going anywhere anyway  Yeah sure  Big grin

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: SKORD
Posted 2009-12-20 07:32:34 and read 10311 times.



Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 20):
95% who want shops

Really?

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 20):
5% that want to sit and watch the aircraft

Acually, no. I simply want to be in an environment thats pleasant and relaxing.

e.g. One-way MAN-ALC on ZB in early April, taxes and charges are a ridiculous £32.75p!!!

Now i know some of that goes to the government, but a hell of a lot goes to MAPLC. If they rake in that amount of cash per passenger, and i would assume a hell of a lot more on Business Class tickets,(plus extortionate charges for car-parking, trollleys, etc etc) why is the place such a mess?
Bad management and poor planning. Its a disgrace!!

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: Planesarecool
Posted 2009-12-20 08:41:44 and read 10131 times.



Quoting SKORD (Reply 23):
Acually, no. I simply want to be in an environment thats pleasant and relaxing.

I want a seat on the train every morning but I rarely get one. Since when has travelling ever been 'pleasant and relaxing'?

Most passengers want shops and they bring in revenue for the airport, so get used to them.

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: VV701
Posted 2009-12-20 09:05:10 and read 10052 times.



Quoting SKORD (Reply 1):
Pathetic! They have have known for days that this was due, and they have 2 runways!! Yet again.... MAN continues to be a useless in any type of weather accurance. SHAMEFULL!!

What is wrong with British aviation enthusiasts. On a-net at this moment are threads reporting airport closures in other parts of Europe and in Eastern USA. But it is only us Brits that seem to think the closure of an airpoirt is "pathetic" and "shameful".

Does this matter? Well, yes. The British, particularly the English are all too ready to denigrate anything British. In an international forum like a-net their unnecessary denigration of British airports, British airlines or anything else British gives a very false image of their country to any non-British person not intimately familiar with our country.

Here:

DUS Closed Due To Snow & Wind (by Cgnnrw Dec 20 2009 in Civil Aviation)

we find factual reports of what is currently happening in other parts of Europe without the use of words like "shameful" and "pathetic". Yet the above report talks of 10 cm of snow at DUS whereas I have 13.5 cm in my garden.

Here:

East Coast Snow - Let The Cancellations Begin (by Plateman Dec 18 2009 in Civil Aviation)

we find factual reports of what is happening on the east coast of America again without the use of words like "shameful" and "pathetic".

But here:

Snow Affects Flights In The UK Again - LTN Closed (by Gilesdavies Dec 17 2009 in Civil Aviation)

we have exactly the same problem. The thread starts:

"It only ever happens in the UK, the first few flakes of snow land on the ground and the UK grinds to halt."

Oh. And by the way. For "the first few flakes of snow" read "10 or 20 cm of snow". We Brits are just as good as minimising the cause as we are at denigrating our airports and airlines.

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: SKORD
Posted 2009-12-20 09:18:33 and read 10236 times.

VV701

Keep your pants on!!!

Its well known that we as a nation are bloody useless when it comes to "weather issues" and the rest of the world seem to cope much better. Simple... we are c**p!!

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: BestWestern
Posted 2009-12-20 09:38:13 and read 9994 times.



Quoting ElbowRoom (Reply 11):
I want to use an airport where people are calm, not screaming. I want a few decent shops and lots of windows. I want the runway efficiently cleared of snow. And I am prepared to pay a reasonable amount for it.

Didnt ask if YOU were willing to pay for it - I asked if the airlines were willing to pay for it, and the answer is NO.

Quoting SKORD (Reply 13):
Yes!!! Most definately! And i would be more than happy to pay it for them.

Again, The airlines aren't willing to pay for added space in the terminal - they want lowest costs - if you hadnt noticed Airlines will lose billions this year,and next. Airport Retailing and Car Parks subsidise the cost of landing for the airlines. These days a proper airport will gain over 50% from non aeronautical charges - without the shops and car parks aeronautical charges will double - and drive carriers away.

Quoting Cainanuk (Reply 14):
this is easily the worst snow event we have had since I started here.

And the runway was closed for how long? two hours - well lets have a revolution and bring down the government!

Quoting FCA767 (Reply 17):

Not with Manchester though

Manchester make a fortune from their duty free shops.

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 20):
So basically, they're catering for the 95% who want shops and entertainment while waiting for their flight, and not the 5% that want to sit and watch the aircraft, while also maximising revenue and helping to keep costs down. Seems like good management to me.

99.9% of travellers dont look out the window. They enjoy shopping and eating at airports.

Quoting FCA767 (Reply 21):
MAN Could learn a bit from Singapore Airport

Manchester is a private company. Singapore Airport is a very different airport authority style, which has more than commercial objectives. You cant compare.

Quoting SKORD (Reply 23):
. If they rake in that amount of cash per passenger, and i would assume a hell of a lot more on Business Class tickets

Shows how little you know about airport pricing. The airport recieves the same amount regardless of ticket price or class of service. So called airline taxes are misleading these days - the airport recieves perhaps £4 for each arriving and departing passenger, with the rest earned from non aeronautical charges.

Quoting SKORD (Reply 26):
Its well known that we as a nation are bloody useless when it comes to "weather issues"

No, we are a nation of whingers who expect everything for next to nothing....

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: Eastern747
Posted 2009-12-20 10:01:34 and read 9823 times.

What a bunch of WHINERS.....Guess what! I left FLL last thurs and sat on the runway for 25 minutes awaiting takeoff. No real snow problems, no deiceing problems....how about heavy rain storms. I would rather sit on the ramp then bounce around the sky. I'm certain the people working at the airport, trying to clean it and make it safe again to fly, worked their butts off to do it as quickly as possible. My sympathy goes out to the poor employees dealing with the whiners and screamers in the airport. Trust me-I did it. Go get a book, or go on line and chill out. Better yet, take the Chunnel....OH MY, I forgot! It got stuck too........

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: GT4EZY
Posted 2009-12-20 11:37:03 and read 9094 times.

I have been in the MAN crew room for a few hours watching and waiting to fly and watching flights one by one being cancelled. It's Winter, it's extreme weather, it's happening right across Europe and the Eastern Seaboard of the U.S!...................oh and I too am absolutely sick to the back teeth of hearing the old boring cliche about Britain being sh*t.

I share the sentiments of other posters who have shown appreciation of those workers working their arses off both on the runway aswell as in the terminals. The weather has been horrendous today (despite me loving snow) so people like SKORD.......give it a break.

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: BrouAviation
Posted 2009-12-20 11:46:48 and read 8992 times.



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 5):
You try breaking a car in 2'' of snow, now try an aircraft.

With the right tyres, it's easy, ice and water are much more dangerous. Snow actually provides you with more grip and friction, and makes braking easier. It gets difficult when the snow gets ridden over multiple times, and forms a solid slippery icey layer. And ABS is always nice to have in this kind of circumstances.

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 5):
Give the guys a break - it takes time to clear snow from a runway,

That's true, but we aren't talking about shiploads of snow here. Especially airports with multiple runways should more or less be able to cope with this circumstances.

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: AirNz
Posted 2009-12-20 11:59:09 and read 8894 times.



Quoting ElbowRoom (Reply 11):
And I am prepared to pay a reasonable amount for it.

How are you going to pay for it though when you have no consultation or planning role in any airport?

Quoting SKORD (Reply 19):
Why? Its a very badly run airport, in my opinion, and im quite within my right to say so!!

Of course it is your right, and no-one would dispute that. However, it is also valid to ask on what basis, experience-wise of being involved in the running an international airport, do your feel your opinion to be valid?

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 20):
Seems like good management to me.

Yes, it is good management and neither an airport, or any other business, is run to suit the whims of a few people.

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: Revelation
Posted 2009-12-20 12:15:24 and read 8777 times.

Well, at least the other Manchester Airport (MHT) stayed open though today's snow storm here in the Northeast US.

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: FCA767
Posted 2009-12-20 14:24:48 and read 8015 times.



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 27):
Manchester is a private company. Singapore Airport is a very different airport authority style, which has more than commercial objectives. You cant compare.

It's not Private, It's owned by the council

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: GT4EZY
Posted 2009-12-20 14:32:39 and read 7950 times.



Quoting FCA767 (Reply 33):
It's not Private, It's owned by the council

True but in a largely convoluted way. I think what BestWestern means is that MAN is operated more like a private company than a public utility. It just so happens that the shareholders are the Greater Manchester boroughs.

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: FCA767
Posted 2009-12-20 14:49:29 and read 7836 times.



Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 34):
True but in a largely convoluted way. I think what BestWestern means is that MAN is operated more like a private company than a public utility. It just so happens that the shareholders are the Greater Manchester boroughs

I guess so  Smile I suppose that's why I dislike the business like attitude of the airport ripping us off left right and centre compared to the niceness of Singapore airport who offer so much more for free...

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: GT4EZY
Posted 2009-12-20 15:15:37 and read 7684 times.



Quoting FCA767 (Reply 35):
I guess so I suppose that's why I dislike the business like attitude of the airport ripping us off left right and centre compared to the niceness of Singapore airport who offer so much more for free...

But to be fair, with regards to retail, it is what passengers want. As you may know I fly out of T3 a lot and one complaint I get from passengers regarding that terminal is the lack of retail. I also did a dissertation on this sort of thing when I was at uni and it can't be underestimated how crucial retail is.

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: OA260
Posted 2009-12-20 15:22:27 and read 7641 times.

Personally I have to say I love retail but there is a balance. I like huge windows that look out onto the runways and decent seating areas with free wifi. some airports have achieved this but it needs to be done at the planning stages.

There are some good bargains to be had at UK airports. I have bought camera's/laptops etc.. from LGW and LHR.

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: Skyhigh777
Posted 2009-12-20 15:24:58 and read 7632 times.



Quoting VV701 (Reply 25):

we find factual reports of what is happening on the east coast of America again without the use of words like "shameful" and "pathetic".

But here:

Snow Affects Flights In The UK Again - LTN Closed (by Gilesdavies Dec 17 2009 in Civil Aviation)

we have exactly the same problem. The thread starts:

"It only ever happens in the UK, the first few flakes of snow land on the ground and the UK grinds to halt."

Oh. And by the way. For "the first few flakes of snow" read "10 or 20 cm of snow". We Brits are just as good as minimising the cause as we are at denigrating our airports and airlines.

Just to play devil's advocate, here in the East coast (at least in DC) we received well over 2 feet of snow...a far cry from a few inches of snow in britain. It's a bit like comparing apples to oranges in the scenario, but I'll stay away from bashing british airports since I'm not familiar w/ how they operate.

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: SKORD
Posted 2009-12-20 16:10:52 and read 7429 times.

Has anyone looked at the Manchester Airport web-site tonight? Useless! They are still showing some flights as "next info" 20.25! . That is coming up to 4 hrs out of date!

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: MAN2SIN2BKK
Posted 2009-12-20 16:15:20 and read 7401 times.

38 responses and not a mention on How Gil Thompson would not have let this situation happen and would be out kicking butt!

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: Cainanuk
Posted 2009-12-20 16:20:42 and read 7368 times.

Sod Gil Thompson... at one point today I was considering calling Joe Patroni!

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: SKORD
Posted 2009-12-20 16:27:39 and read 7332 times.

Gil Thomson! What a star!!! He was the best thing MAN ever had!!

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: GT4EZY
Posted 2009-12-20 17:02:55 and read 7205 times.



Quoting SKORD (Reply 42):
Gil Thomson! What a star!!! He was the best thing MAN ever had!!

Maybe but do we know what he would have done differently during Sunday? Perhaps more crucially, did the runway have to close due to snow during his leadership?

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: Ocracoke
Posted 2009-12-20 21:59:05 and read 6592 times.



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 5):
You try breaking a car in 2'' of snow, now try an aircraft.

Braking a car in 2" of snow is the best of fun! Find yourself an empty parking lot, drive across it with a little speed, then slam the steering wheel to the left or right as you pull up hard on the emergency brake. You'll be doing donuts in the snow all afternoon.


PS> preferably with an older car with bad tires. More fun that way.

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: Seafleet
Posted 2009-12-20 22:15:08 and read 6550 times.

Quote Skyhigh77

Just to play devil's advocate, here in the East coast (at least in DC) we received well over 2 feet of snow...a far cry from a few inches of snow in britain. It's a bit like comparing apples to oranges in the scenario, but I'll stay away from bashing british airports since I'm not familiar w/ how they operate.

I am an ExPat Brit living in CA but was a keen spotter at Manchester.
Britain does generally not get that much snow so the local agencies dont have much equipment to deal with it and thats the true problem.
They cant afford to have millions of poundsworth of specialised equipment standing around that only is required for less then seven days a year.
If most places in Britain received 2ft of snow life would stop no question.
The real question is one of attitude I read of a family as being quoted that even given the amount of snow in the NE of USA they would still try and drive to a family reunion two hours away. Why Risk your families lives???
I just wish folks that dont truly need to make journeys would call it quits and stop moaning in times of unusal weather.
Its Nature and we all know we cant beat nature anyday.
Roger

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: Danfearn77
Posted 2009-12-20 22:20:06 and read 6547 times.



Quoting SKORD (Reply 23):
One-way MAN-ALC on ZB in early April, taxes and charges are a ridiculous £32.75p!!!

Your not forgetting that Darling and Brown are taking a nice chunk of that are you? Not all of it is going to Manchester. Ive flown from other regional airports where the charges arnt much less.

I have in the past ripped into MAN and how its a hell whole, but you know what, Its a lot better than it used to be. T2 for example. What a dive it used to be. I flew through it several times with VS, EK and SQ and on those occasions it was abysmal. Last month i flew AF and i was pleasantly surprised. T2 is in a lot better shape. Sure the fabric of the place is still crap, carpets etc but the whole place feels nicer. And you cant complain about their being no windows in T2. Place is full of them.

In regards to walking upstairs for security. Who really gives a monkeys. The old security area used to be small, cramped and crap. Now its massive, 14 lanes if im not wrong and thats whats needed. If you have a tall terminal building, utilise that to your advantage.

As i said some will notice my change of tune. I couldnt stand MAN but now, give them a break. Sure, some of the shops annoy me and thats because i have never had an urge to go to an airport and buy some handbag made on the design thoughts of Paris Hilton. But i do (reluctantly!) accept that it brings in money. The important thing is is that they dont forfeit space for shops and i dont think they have done that in T1. And in T2 they have moved that stupid sports car promotion thing and there is more space and more seating.

My only hope is that they do get rid of the interior fittings in T2 which make it look from some 70's TV show! Nice marble floor and some TV screens and free internet. Thats would be good!

But in regards to snow, again give them a break. We, as a whole country, cannot deal with any weather at all. How often i drive on the motorway and im told 'slow, dense fog' and there is a thin veneer of fog. Leaves stop train travel, heavy rain brings motorways to a standstil and snow, well when that happens the country literally shuts down. We have always been crap when it comes to dealing with weather. It is embarrassing that our airports close when others have double the amount of snow, but thats whats always happened and it will continue to always happen.

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: Woodentom
Posted 2009-12-20 23:48:22 and read 6406 times.

how quickly is manchester going to be able to get back to normal as looking at the flights status there are delays this morning.

i am flying on wednesday from there and am crossing fingers.....

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: FCA767
Posted 2009-12-21 02:00:06 and read 6057 times.



Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 36):
But to be fair, with regards to retail, it is what passengers want. As you may know I fly out of T3 a lot and one complaint I get from passengers regarding that terminal is the lack of retail. I also did a dissertation on this sort of thing when I was at uni and it can't be underestimated how crucial retail is.

Oh yes...I love T3, I worked at Alpha Duty free...but the thing was that it was extremely quiet in the shop that we usually spent 70% of the time dusting and cleaning...The morning period with AA and the old BA New York flight was the only time it got busy...
I'm not sure what it's like now with BMI Baby being in there  Smile
But It was the nicest terminal  Smile

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: FCA767
Posted 2009-12-21 02:03:05 and read 6042 times.



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 27):
Manchester make a fortune from their duty free shops.

I mean, manchester not being cheap

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: Myt332
Posted 2009-12-21 03:32:54 and read 5777 times.



Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 46):
Sure, some of the shops annoy me and thats because i have never had an urge to go to an airport and buy some handbag made on the design thoughts of Paris Hilton

No but GT4EZY has.

Quoting FCA767 (Reply 48):
But It was the nicest terminal

It was but then life happened and it is what it is today. Personally I quite like T1 these days, sure there might be a lot of shops but at least everything in there is new and makes you feel like you're at a half decent place. I don't spend much time airside anyway and so after maybe an hour or so at the new bar, which is much better than the old bar Est, it's time to board. Or actually like last time I used T1 this month, I just nipped in the Wilmslow Lounge. See now that is nice.  Wink

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: Dazbo5
Posted 2009-12-21 03:34:56 and read 5778 times.



Quoting Woodentom (Reply 47):
how quickly is manchester going to be able to get back to normal as looking at the flights status there are delays this morning.

The airport are saying things should be back to normal by the end of the day, subject to how the weather gets on. There's more snow due later and the temperatures are set to plumet.

Darren

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: LHR380
Posted 2009-12-21 03:42:32 and read 5747 times.

Just as I was about to finish work in T5 at about 2320 last night when a bunch of crew came past the desk and started heading towards the Zone E back office. I got up from the desk and lady I was dealing with and went to see where they were going. They did not know where staff search was (It was so late their own security search had closed)
I took them to security and as they were about to go I thought, hang on, its after 11 "Where are you flying to"

"Manchester"

The last MAN flight left LHR at 0040 last night

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: VV701
Posted 2009-12-21 03:49:25 and read 5728 times.



Quoting Seafleet (Reply 45):
Britain does generally not get that much snow so the local agencies dont have much equipment to deal with it and thats the true problem.

Correct.

Looking back over the years at British December snow falls there was around a foot in the Manchester area in 1950. Then in December 1967 almost two feet fell not far away along the north Welsh coast. The worst December for snow in living memory was 1981 with over a foot in central London and over three feet just across the Penines from Manchester. And in December 1990 there was between 15 and 17 inches in the Midlands.

Otherwise until this year . . . Well, nothing of note.

So if I can add up correctly this is the fifth time in 60 years that this sort of problem has occurred in the UK in December. So we all ought to rush out and get ourselves a set of winter tyres. Depending on the size we need they might cost us between £200 and £500 a set. But if we do not hurry we might, based on the historic record, have another 12 years to wait before we can use them again in December.

Yes. I know there are months other than December when it may snow. But as far as I can determine it was only in early 1947 and early 1963 that we had a lot of snow but nothing significant in the previous December. So that escalates the problem to 7 times in over 60 years.

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: Acelanzarote
Posted 2009-12-21 03:54:39 and read 5720 times.

Can anyone advise the state of play at MAN today?
looking for info on the delayed TCX151K from Sunday to ACE?

thanks

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: GT4EZY
Posted 2009-12-21 04:00:04 and read 5714 times.



Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 46):
My only hope is that they do get rid of the interior fittings in T2 which make it look from some 70's TV show! Nice marble floor and some TV screens and free internet. Thats would be good!

But that what grates on me. People here travel to various regions that have been developed in the last 10/20 years (DXB being the obvious example) and now expect that MAN should have marble floors! To hell with it, why not coat the pillar supports in gold and have done with it.

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 50):
No but GT4EZY has.

I don't have a sugar daddy like James is to you. Besides, it's not uniform standards.  Smile

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: LHR380
Posted 2009-12-21 04:06:52 and read 5701 times.



Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 55):
I don't have a sugar daddy like James is to you. Besides, it's not uniform standards.  

LOL

Im shuddering at the thought of a uniform made by Paris Hilton, I dread to think what she might come up with!!

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: Danfearn77
Posted 2009-12-21 04:09:14 and read 5694 times.



Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 55):
But that what grates on me. People here travel to various regions that have been developed in the last 10/20 years (DXB being the obvious example) and now expect that MAN should have marble floors! To hell with it, why not coat the pillar supports in gold and have done with it.

Now now!! Im only sort of joking. But at the end of the day marble floors and a few tv's is not too much to ask for. Im not saying knock it down and start again. A few TV's with sky news and already people's perceptions change. Im currently in SYD, typing this on a free internet station! There would be nothing to stop MAN having a few of these. Just little things, like your Paris handbag, do the trick and make people happier!  Smile

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: Myt332
Posted 2009-12-21 04:22:48 and read 5668 times.



Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 55):
I don't have a sugar daddy like James is to you

I'm his +1 tonight and he's already got my bed made up at his place!

(I hope I'm making him cringe when he reads this Big grin )

Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 57):
Im currently in SYD, typing this on a free internet station!

McDonalds have free wifi in the UK. You didn't have to go all the way to SYD to get free internet!

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: LHR380
Posted 2009-12-21 04:31:46 and read 5650 times.



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 58):
I'm his +1 tonight and he's already got my bed made up at his place!

That will do it lol

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: Andaman
Posted 2009-12-21 07:35:45 and read 5511 times.



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 8):
Different snow - Finnish and Russian snow tends to be drier, and not as sticky as British Isles snow - which is warmer, and harder to shift. It also provides less traction.

It really depends were in Finland you are, in Helsinki or in Lapland, 1000km north of HEL.
The snow in inland Lapland tens to be dryer and more light, here by the sea in Helsinki the air is more moist and so is the snow.
Right now HEL is suffering from delays, we also have got lot of snow, not that common this time of the year here in south. The main problem at HEL is the poor visibility, making everything a bit slower.

Topic: RE: Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather
Username: GT4EZY
Posted 2009-12-21 17:42:42 and read 5276 times.



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 58):
I'm his +1 tonight and he's already got my bed made up at his place!

What ashame i wasn't there. I was on the AGP and couldn't be arsed going afterwards. Didn't realise you were being his Christmas B*tch.  Wink


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