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Topic: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: Laxboeingman
Posted 2009-12-18 21:22:43 and read 12436 times.

http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_14028238?source=rss

It sounds like it could have been serious, but I am glad that it was not. How often does the gear door fail to close, or function in that part? Hopefully the plane will be able to fly again. If there are any new updates, please let us all know.

Thank you in advance,

laxboeingman

P.S. I cannot believe that a Boeing had that problem.

Topic: RE: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: Phoenix9
Posted 2009-12-18 21:36:29 and read 12357 times.



Quoting Laxboeingman (Thread starter):
I cannot believe that a Boeing had that problem.

?? Any piece of machinery can have a problem....what does that have to do with "a boeing"?

Topic: RE: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: NWA757boy
Posted 2009-12-18 21:42:21 and read 12326 times.

Um....It's not that uncommon, and There was no structural damage so I'm sure it will fly again, and Boeing can have a multitude of problems.....yawn slow news day. you are making a big deal out of nothing.

Topic: RE: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: BMI727
Posted 2009-12-18 21:48:19 and read 12292 times.



Quoting NWA757boy (Reply 2):
you are making a big deal out of nothing.

It sounds like a fairly typical diversion that seems to have been handled professionally by everyone except, perhaps, the media.

Quoting Laxboeingman (Thread starter):
Hopefully the plane will be able to fly again

This is not a big deal. The plane will probably be ready to go within a week.

Topic: RE: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: Darthluke12694
Posted 2009-12-18 21:52:36 and read 12273 times.



Quoting Laxboeingman (Thread starter):
I cannot believe that a Boeing had that problem.

Any plane can have a problem. It doesn't matter what kind of plane it is. Look at Airbus, they are just as good as Boeing (in my opinion) and there brand new A380's are having problems. Just because it is a "name brand" doesn't mean it is glitch proof.

Topic: RE: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: Yvphx
Posted 2009-12-19 11:08:55 and read 11704 times.

Same thing happened on an RJ-200 last week at PHX. Plane took off, nose gear door did not close, came back landed fine. Mechanics fixed the problem and plane left 2 hours later with a full boat.

Topic: RE: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: Cmb320
Posted 2009-12-19 11:11:08 and read 11693 times.

How does a gear door not closing warrant a full evacuation?

Topic: RE: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: LHR380
Posted 2009-12-19 11:16:18 and read 11643 times.

Have a look over at Aviation Herald, it happens a bit.

Topic: RE: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: ULMFlyer
Posted 2009-12-19 11:44:12 and read 11557 times.



Quoting Cmb320 (Reply 6):
How does a gear door not closing warrant a full evacuation?

There's nothing in the OP's article about evacuation. Nor in the Aviation Herald.

As a matter of fact, there's nothing about declaring an emergency in the latter either. Would it be really necessary and did they do it? I wonder if Lightsaber will comment in this thread. He shared some interesting information in the AF445 thread about the resources that are mobilized when a Mayday is declared, as opposed to a Pan-Pan, and he's based at LAX.

Topic: RE: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: DelawareUSA
Posted 2009-12-19 13:48:14 and read 10341 times.

Gear retract problems happens at times on A340s. Happend to me once on LH 426 fra-phl. Heard other LH A340 diverting for the same problem.

Topic: RE: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: PGNCS
Posted 2009-12-19 14:58:14 and read 9600 times.



Quoting Laxboeingman (Thread starter):
P.S. I cannot believe that a Boeing had that problem.

Things break. I have had more cancellations, diversions, and mechanical problems on Boeings than in Lockheed, Douglas, and Airbus aircraft combined.

Quoting Laxboeingman (Thread starter):
Hopefully the plane will be able to fly again.

Why wouldn't it be able to? It's a minor glitch.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
This is not a big deal.

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Quoting DelawareUSA (Reply 9):
Gear retract problems happens at times on A340s. Happend to me once on LH 426 fra-phl. Heard other LH A340 diverting for the same problem.

Gear problems happen on all models of aircraft. Just because you alter your destination doesn't mean it's a major problem; that's why airlines have procedures and well-trained staff to make operational decisions.

Topic: RE: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: PeterSpence
Posted 2009-12-19 17:11:22 and read 8463 times.

I was at the airport when it happened ... the crew did come over radios and declare a problem with gear door. They overflew the field at about 1500' I believe it was .... Tower said "looks like your left gear door is still open" ... he went around and you could see all other gear doors closed except for that one. Gear was retracted on all though. Of course, they dispatched the entire LAX Fire Department for the landing. When he came back, gear was down fine and landing was on the best I've seen in a while. He taxied (sp?) like any normal aircraft and held short of runway 25R for departing traffic. ATC asked if he needed any further assistance and Pilot said "Negative, everything is checking out fine no further help needed just a gate would be nice" ... and they said "roger, hold short of the runway and we'll get back to you on gate" ... after 10 mins he had a gate, all fire trucks were back at the station and everything was great. I've got a pic of it I'm gonna edit and try to get on here, might post the pre-edit on this since it came up.

Later!

Topic: RE: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: Laxboeingman
Posted 2009-12-19 17:36:02 and read 8278 times.

I am not trying to make a big deal out of nothing, I did not realize that this was that common. About the Boeing thing, I am just upset that a Boeing had a problem because I am a Boeing fan.

laxboeingman

Topic: RE: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: Boeing767mech
Posted 2009-12-19 18:19:24 and read 7952 times.

[quote=Laxboeingman,reply=0]It sounds like it could have been serious, but I am glad that it was not. How often does the gear door fail to close, or function in that part? Hopefully the plane will be able to fly again. If there are any new updates, please let us all know.



This is actually old new, this airplane is in Tulsa being repaired, and has been there for about 4 days, I have seen gear doors completely removed and the airplane still flown..
Doors fall open all the time. It is just when it is a slow news day do you hear about it.

David

Topic: RE: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: AAR90
Posted 2009-12-19 21:48:11 and read 6794 times.



Quoting Boeing767mech (Reply 13):
This is actually old new, this airplane is in Tulsa being repaired, and has been there for about 4 days....

Not sure which acft you are thinking about, David, but the incident plane is acft 642 which is still in LAX. Air interrupt occurred on AA2436/18Dec --that was FRIDAY.  confused 

I agree, it must have been a slow news day though. An AA737 returned to LAX two days earlier with a nose gear issue after takeoff, emergency declared and..... nobody's mentioned anything about that -- yet.  smile 

Looks like it was a simple mechanical failure:
Removed and replaced extension and retract fuse. Leack check Ops Chk Good. Accomplished Gear Swing Operation Ops Check Normal.

The plane is scheduled to fly LAX-MIA in the morning.

N642 B75W FUTURE ROUTING 20/0535Z
FLT --FROM-- --TO-- MTC -OFF/ON-- TIME
2436/18 LAX 1055 LAX 1137 642XX 1055 1137
202/20 LAX 0807 MIA 1529 642
723/20 MIA 1715 MAR 2015 642XX

Topic: RE: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: FlyingSicilian
Posted 2009-12-19 22:32:48 and read 6730 times.



Quoting PGNCS (Reply 10):
Things break. I have had more cancellations, diversions, and mechanical problems on Boeings than in Lockheed, Douglas, and Airbus aircraft combined.

Which means nothing unless we know how many flights you took on each aircraft...

but your overall point I must agree with 110%-minor glitch.

Topic: RE: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: SXDFC
Posted 2009-12-19 23:11:04 and read 6675 times.



Quoting Laxboeingman (Reply 12):
I am just upset that a Boeing had a problem because I am a Boeing fan.

Whats there to be upset about? The plane didn't crash, people did not die.. An airplane like any other machine will run into its share of problems. Look at the A380, they had to fly her with three engines across the Atlantic Ocean.

Topic: RE: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: Boeing767mech
Posted 2009-12-20 03:41:14 and read 6564 times.



Quoting AAR90 (Reply 14):
Not sure which acft you are thinking about, David, but the incident plane is acft 642 which is still in LAX. Air interrupt occurred on AA2436/18Dec --that was FRIDAY.

Must be something going on where, 5CT is OTS in TULE for the R/H MLG door not closing. Here from a friend that is based in LAX that this airplane was ferried for repair.

David

Topic: RE: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: RussianJet
Posted 2009-12-20 03:44:39 and read 6555 times.



Quoting Laxboeingman (Thread starter):
P.S. I cannot believe that a Boeing had that problem.

What kind of nonsense is that?? News flash - Boeings can develop technical problems just like any other manufacturer's products can.

Topic: RE: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: AAR90
Posted 2009-12-20 08:53:34 and read 6407 times.



Quoting Boeing767mech (Reply 17):
Must be something going on where, 5CT is OTS in TULE for the R/H MLG door not closing. Here from a friend that is based in LAX that this airplane was ferried for repair.

I suggest you check 5CT's status yourself -then give a figurative "slap-in-the-face" to your friend.  Smile 5CT hasn't been to TULE, has been flying the line for the last 10 days and looks to be flying charters all weekend. She transited LAX... once [night of 16th, left on 1st flight 17th] and TUL (not the maintenance station) on 18/19.

N5CT B75W YESTERDAY ROUTING
FLT --FROM-- --TO-- MTC -OFF/ON-- TIME
223/16 BOS 1943 LAX 2248 5CTXX 1943 2248 6.05
416/17 LAX 0615 MIA 1342 5CTXX 0615 1342 4.27
9666/18 MIA 0901 TUL 1042 5CTXX 0901 1042 2.41
9606/19 TUL 1944 ORD 2110 5CTXX 1944 2110 1.26
9208/20 ORD 1056 DCA 1327 5CT 56502.44 19554
9209/20 DCA 1412 ORD 1457 5CT 56504.54 19555
9210/20 ORD 1517 DCA 1735 5CT 56506.34 19556
9211/20 DCA 1858 ORD 1940 5CTXX 56508.44 19557


The incident acft (#642) has been repaired and is actually headed to MIA at this very moment (Sunday morning):
RGA 642/F02
N642 B75W FUTURE ROUTING
FLT --FROM-- --TO-- MTC -OFF/ON-- TIME
2436/18 LAX 1055 LAX 1137 642XX 1055 1137 0.42
202/20 LAX 0756 MIA 1512 642 0756

Topic: RE: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: Aesma
Posted 2009-12-20 23:58:26 and read 6176 times.



Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 15):
Which means nothing unless we know how many flights you took on each aircraft...

but your overall point I must agree with 110%-minor glitch.

I guess he flew more Boeings and that was implicit.

What about that picture PeterSpence ?

Topic: RE: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: FlyingSicilian
Posted 2009-12-21 07:13:11 and read 6011 times.



Quoting Aesma (Reply 20):
I guess he flew more Boeings and that was implicit.

I guess me presuming most understood basic statistics was also implicit but alas I was mistaken it seems....

If he flew more Boeings, even at the same (or lesser) failure-rate, in raw numbers there would be more incidents-thus my point: It is a useless stat.

Topic: RE: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: 777STL
Posted 2009-12-21 13:49:58 and read 5831 times.



Quoting Laxboeingman (Reply 12):
I am not trying to make a big deal out of nothing, I did not realize that this was that common. About the Boeing thing, I am just upset that a Boeing had a problem because I am a Boeing fan.

You realize that on any given day, there are hundreds of Boeings with glitches across the world?

I can't say I'm surprised you fall into the age range that you do with comments like that....

Topic: RE: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: PeterSpence
Posted 2009-12-21 21:33:53 and read 5642 times.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 20):
What about that picture PeterSpence ?

Quoting Arcrftlvr (Reply 23):
So, the aircraft landed on 25L? According to the LAFD, they landed on 25R?

Here it is up close, I cropped in to show the gear mainly ... you see the left door is open, all others closed ... also, he landed 25L the article said 25R that is incorrect ... originally was to go 25R though, that is correct. Switched for some reason and all fire trucks moved over. Oh and the shot is from when he did his overfly so ATC could see what the issue was. Hope this helps! Sorry for delay in response, been away. '

One last thing, plane registration was N642AA. Now I'm done.

[Edited 2009-12-21 21:34:53]

[Edited 2009-12-21 21:37:00]

Topic: RE: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: Daysleeper
Posted 2009-12-21 22:21:04 and read 5590 times.



Quoting Laxboeingman (Thread starter):
P.S. I cannot believe that a Boeing had that problem

I bet you also can’t believe it’s not butter  Smile

I hate to break it to you too, but over the years there have been a few very serious mechanical failures with Boeings. The 737 Rudder PCU springs to mind, as does the 747 forward cargo door locking system. I’m sure Airbus and other manufacturers for that matter have had their own issue’s – although, and I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong – I don't think Airbus have had any quite as serious.

Topic: RE: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: BMI727
Posted 2009-12-21 22:28:15 and read 5581 times.



Quoting Daysleeper (Reply 24):
– I don't think Airbus have had any quite as serious.

Well the tail falling off the A300 was kind of a problem, but that depends on who you ask, as does the safety of the A330.

Bombardier had that issue with the landing gear on the Q400 and the DC-10 had well documented troubles.

Topic: RE: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: Daysleeper
Posted 2009-12-21 22:54:48 and read 5578 times.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 25):
Well the tail falling off the A300 was kind of a problem, but that depends on who you ask, as does the safety of the A330.

If your referring to the queens crash then that wasn't a mechanical failure. The testing after the crash showed that the tail structure withstood over 150% of its maximum load, so it performed as it should. I think in the end the accident was attributed to pilot error and American Airlines training. It' also worth mentioning that as soon as the "rudder reversal" was studied by other manufactures they ALL, including Boeing issued advisories stating that using the rudder in such a fashion could lead to structural failure.

I am aware of another A300 which lost a section of its tail, but it continued on and landed safely. I'm sure this was put down to de-lamination and they advised operators to inspect them. I guess with the development of the A350 and 787 inspecting these kinds of materials for structural problems is going to become a big thing...

[Edited 2009-12-21 22:56:47]

Topic: RE: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: BMI727
Posted 2009-12-21 22:59:10 and read 5563 times.



Quoting Daysleeper (Reply 26):
I think in the end the accident was attributed to pilot error and American Airlines training.

That has been an issue of contention between AA and Airbus. I think that some blame lies on both sides, but the point is that Boeing is neither immune to problems nor are the only one affected.

Topic: RE: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: Daysleeper
Posted 2009-12-21 23:11:23 and read 5553 times.



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 27):
That has been an issue of contention between AA and Airbus. I think that some blame lies on both sides, but the point is that Boeing is neither immune to problems nor are the only one affected.

I agree, in fact I said that myself.

My response was a little “tongue in cheek” given the OP’s comment, and yes I can imagine it was debated at length who took the blame. Although I think it was perhaps more to do with AA not being informed that you can’t do this rather than a fault with the aircraft. But how could they have been informed? As no one knew you couldn’t. From my point of view the frame was fine, it was put under loads greater than it was designed to take, so it failed. Pretty simple.

I know its been mentioned that the pilot had performed similar maneuver’s in other aircraft which obviously didn’t fail. This can be explained by the A300 rudder becoming much more sensitive as it gained speed, this isn’t a fault, it was designed that way.

Topic: RE: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: Aesma
Posted 2009-12-22 02:42:23 and read 5486 times.



Quoting PeterSpence (Reply 23):
Here it is up close, I cropped in to show the gear mainly ... you see the left door is open, all others closed ... also, he landed 25L the article said 25R that is incorrect ... originally was to go 25R though, that is correct. Switched for some reason and all fire trucks moved over. Oh and the shot is from when he did his overfly so ATC could see what the issue was. Hope this helps! Sorry for delay in response, been away. '

One last thing, plane registration was N642AA. Now I'm done.

Thanks, nice shot !

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 21):
I guess me presuming most understood basic statistics was also implicit but alas I was mistaken it seems....

If he flew more Boeings, even at the same (or lesser) failure-rate, in raw numbers there would be more incidents-thus my point: It is a useless stat.

But was he doing statistics ? I don't think so :

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 10):
Things break. I have had more cancellations, diversions, and mechanical problems on Boeings than in Lockheed, Douglas, and Airbus aircraft combined.

He was just, as a lot of others anetters did, showing to the OP that Boeings can break.

Topic: RE: AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09
Username: FlyingSicilian
Posted 2009-12-22 11:29:13 and read 5351 times.



Quoting Aesma (Reply 29):
He was just, as a lot of others anetters did, showing to the OP that Boeings can break.

Actually he was doing statistics by posting his "sampling". I am also well aware of what he was trying to do; it was and is a useless statistic without knowing how many flights on each type one has take. If you cannot recognise that, sorry.

I'll post my own fun "fact":
-I have had more lost bags on Delta than all other airlines combined...lost bags happen.


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