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Topic: Has The Sukhoi Superjet Has Entered Service Yet?
Username: Theredbaron
Posted 2009-12-27 15:49:20 and read 6033 times.

With all the buzz around the 787 FF, the Superjet 100 should have entered service this december, I browsed the website but nothing I could find... anyone knows the status of EIS?

Also do you think anyone in north America would buy such a jet? I guess Aeromexico could use some in Mexico routes.

Regards and HAppy 2010 TRB

Topic: RE: Has The Sukhoi Superjet Has Entered Service Yet?
Username: Addd
Posted 2009-12-27 18:22:15 and read 5864 times.

Current expected EIS is mid-2010. North America is, frankly, an unlikely market given dominance of Embraer and Bombardier and remaining U.S. trade restructions on Russian products. The market it would serve is essentially the same as for E-jets - I do not know Mexican domestic/regional market well enough to speculate whether there is a lot of room for planes of this class/

Topic: RE: Has The Sukhoi Superjet Has Entered Service Yet?
Username: PlymSpotter
Posted 2009-12-27 19:11:53 and read 5780 times.

Keep an eye on Armavia's schedules, they are due to receive the first aircraft and are also soon going to be publishing their summer timetable. The An-148 is also being pressed into service, I believe a third aircraft is due to be delivered soon.

Good news for the Russian and Ukrainian manufacturers.


Dan  Smile

Topic: RE: Has The Sukhoi Superjet Has Entered Service Yet?
Username: EddieDude
Posted 2009-12-27 19:53:36 and read 5705 times.



Quoting Theredbaron (Thread starter):
I guess Aeromexico could use some in Mexico routes.



Quoting Addd (Reply 1):
North America is, frankly, an unlikely market given dominance of Embraer and Bombardier and remaining U.S. trade restructions on Russian products. The market it would serve is essentially the same as for E-jets - I do not know Mexican domestic/regional market well enough to speculate whether there is a lot of room for planes of this class/

I am not very familiarized with the specs of the Sukhoi Superjet, but I would imagine that AM has made a terrific choice with the EMB-190s. I would imagine AM is very happy with these birds and I am sure more will be added to the fleet in the coming years. With large EMB-190 and 737-700W fleets, AM will have its needs for smaller jets covered. For thinner routes, AM has the ERJ-145 and I guess that, if needed, AM could look at the EMB-170/175 family.

Topic: RE: Has The Sukhoi Superjet Has Entered Service Yet?
Username: Planemaker
Posted 2009-12-29 01:13:25 and read 5152 times.

As of Dec 29...

"The United Aircraft Corporation head Alexei Fyodorov said Monday that deliveries of the Superjet 100 have indefinitely been delayed because the engines are not ready."

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/busine...0-indefinitely-delayed/396945.html

Topic: RE: Has The Sukhoi Superjet Has Entered Service Yet?
Username: SIBILLE
Posted 2009-12-29 03:25:00 and read 5015 times.



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 2):
The An-148 is also being pressed into service, I believe a third aircraft is due to be delivered soon.

The second An-148 (first one built in Russia as previous one was built in Ukraine) has been delivered to Rossia this month.
That means there are now 3 An-148 flying on airlines services (one with Aerovit and two with Rossia).

Topic: RE: Has The Sukhoi Superjet Has Entered Service Yet?
Username: PlymSpotter
Posted 2009-12-29 06:27:05 and read 4830 times.



Quoting Planemaker (Reply 4):
"The United Aircraft Corporation head Alexei Fyodorov said Monday that deliveries of the Superjet 100 have indefinitely been delayed because the engines are not ready."

Ahh damn. I'm hoping this doesn't turn into another Tu-334 fiasco.

Quoting SIBILLE (Reply 5):
The second An-148 (first one built in Russia as previous one was built in Ukraine) has been delivered to Rossia this month.
That means there are now 3 An-148 flying on airlines services (one with Aerovit and two with Rossia).

That's great news, and indeed logging on this afternoon I saw a cockpit shot from the first flight on the front page:


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Photo © Alexander Belenkov - St.Petersburg Spotters



The photographer mentions that the first commercial flight with Rossiya was on the 21st December, so have they also entered a second plane into service?

It's a damn fine looking plane which I can't wait to fly on  yes 


Dan  Smile

Topic: RE: Has The Sukhoi Superjet Has Entered Service Yet?
Username: Burkhard
Posted 2009-12-29 06:34:06 and read 4811 times.



Quoting Planemaker (Reply 4):
"The United Aircraft Corporation head Alexei Fyodorov said Monday that deliveries of the Superjet 100 have indefinitely been delayed because the engines are not ready."

Bad news, indeed, let us hope they get certified by May or June.

On the American Continet, I see Cuba or Venezuela among the first countries to order it.

Topic: RE: Has The Sukhoi Superjet Has Entered Service Yet?
Username: Oobitsa
Posted 2009-12-29 09:34:23 and read 4591 times.

I'm bummed out by the delay of the Sukhoi. I live in Armenia and was hoping to get some photos of it soon after EIS with Armavia. We don't get much A.net worthy in Armenia!

Topic: RE: Has The Sukhoi Superjet Has Entered Service Yet?
Username: Tod
Posted 2009-12-29 09:45:10 and read 4555 times.



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 2):
Good news for the Russian and Ukrainian manufacturers.

and for Flight Structures in Marysville, WA.
(the cabin designer and manufacturer)

Topic: RE: Has The Sukhoi Superjet Has Entered Service Yet?
Username: Theredbaron
Posted 2009-12-29 21:23:57 and read 4251 times.

Thanks for the info.

Eddie, Logan (450mx) told me that emb 145 were very restricted in hot weather at high Mexican altitudes, so maybe AM is not "that" happy with the 145.

Happy 2010
TRB

Topic: RE: Has The Sukhoi Superjet Has Entered Service Yet?
Username: EddieDude
Posted 2009-12-29 21:52:49 and read 4215 times.



Quoting Theredbaron (Reply 10):
Eddie, Logan (450mx) told me that emb 145 were very restricted in hot weather at high Mexican altitudes, so maybe AM is not "that" happy with the 145.

Hey Juan Carlos! Didn't know that, thanks for sharing. That's interesting. It would be good to hear what an AM insider has to say. I may be wrong, but I suppose the ERJ-145s are good for short and thin routes, or short routes where AM'd rather have several frequencies. I am not sure if the 145 family is similar in terms of cockpit controls, etc., to the larger 170/175 and 190/195, but I guess AM will always have the option of getting some 170/175s for missions where the 145s are too small or too short ranged, but that do not really need a 190. What do you think?

Topic: RE: Has The Sukhoi Superjet Has Entered Service Ye
Username: Severnaya
Posted 2009-12-30 04:16:35 and read 4008 times.



Quoting SIBILLE (Reply 5):
That means there are now 3 An-148 flying on airlines services (one with Aerovit and two with Rossia).

This is incorrect, Rossiya's second AN-148 is not flying yet. Last friday i missed to fly on it as i had one flight earlier which was done by FV's 'boring' A319 doing the LED-SVO run.

Topic: RE: Has The Sukhoi Superjet Has Entered Service Yet?
Username: Rheinbote
Posted 2009-12-30 05:29:11 and read 3922 times.

Some more background at Things with Wings. Looks like the engine is one of the culprits.
"According to a Reuters report, the SaM146 engine turbofan is now not due to receive its type certification until May or June."
"When the Russian and French engine makers got together, they were targeting type certification for the turbofan for June 2006."

Towards EIS, the Reuters report says
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE5BR0Z520091228?type=marketsNews

"Last week, Industries and Trade Minister Viktor Khristenko said deliveries will start in the first half of 2010."

Topic: RE: Has The Sukhoi Superjet Has Entered Service Yet?
Username: Fyano773
Posted 2009-12-30 22:06:21 and read 3663 times.



Quoting Theredbaron (Thread starter):
Also do you think anyone in north America would buy such a jet? I guess Aeromexico could use some in Mexico routes.

I don't think so. MX rather than AM is likely to take a look to this aircraft.

MX has repeatedly stated that the current 717 is an interim platform, thus the SuperJet could be an option, notwithstanding, the SuperJet was designed for 60-95 pax, whereas the 717 has 104 seats. Longer variants (110, 125 pax) are planned at some time in the distant future and MX will be phasing out the 717 in 6 or 7 years.

Regards,

Fyano

Topic: RE: Has The Sukhoi Superjet Has Entered Service Yet?
Username: EddieDude
Posted 2009-12-31 07:26:22 and read 3472 times.



Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 14):
MX has repeatedly stated that the current 717 is an interim platform, thus the SuperJet could be an option, notwithstanding, the SuperJet was designed for 60-95 pax, whereas the 717 has 104 seats. Longer variants (110, 125 pax) are planned at some time in the distant future and MX will be phasing out the 717 in 6 or 7 years.

I am almost sure I read somewhere here that MX might consider the C-Series or some other Bombardier model as a 717 replacement for its Click subsidiary.

Topic: RE: Has The Sukhoi Superjet Has Entered Service Yet?
Username: KrisYYZ
Posted 2009-12-31 09:23:36 and read 3389 times.

Before MA signed the LOI of the 30 SSJ-100s they looked at CRJ NGs and the E-jets but decided to go with the SSJ based on cost and "newer technology". MA is counting on the SSJ to enhance its flexibility and to operate to new destinations with improved economics. I personally think that MA only bought the SSJ because Sukhoi agreed to build a maintenance base in BUD to service the SSJ for its European customers.

I think it will take a few years of reliable service before any major airline take a serious look at the SSJ.

KrisYYZ

Topic: RE: Has The Sukhoi Superjet Has Entered Service Yet?
Username: Fyano773
Posted 2010-01-01 12:28:20 and read 3153 times.



Quoting EddieDude (Reply 15):

I am almost sure I read somewhere here that MX might consider the C-Series or some other Bombardier model as a 717 replacement for its Click subsidiary.

Correct. Certainly MX will be evaluating that plane.

The higher degree of composites and the PW GTF place the C-Series as a great alternative, particularly in terms of airplane economics, but targeted at 100-130 pax, the gap between 70 and 99 seats cannot be filled with this platform very well. IMO, the Embraers (E170, E190), the Mitsubishi RJ and the Sukhoi SuperJet are more suitable to fill this C-Series void, especially if MX shifts its strategy towards a 70-99 seats market in the future.

If MX aims for a 100-130 seater, the E-Jets (E190, E195) and the C-Series (CS100, CS300) are the best alternatives.

Fyano


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