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Topic: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: Mas777
Posted 2010-01-07 03:46:24 and read 9880 times.

Effective February 2010, Emirates will operate 3 daily services into Kuala Lumpur with a new DXB-KUL-MEL service being operated by A340-500.

EK408 departs KUL at 1440 arriving MEL at 0115 next day.
EK409 departs MEL at 0310 arriving KUL at 0810 same morning.

Flights are now open for booking on Emirates' website.

This news comes following AirAsiaX's succesful launch of its own KUL-MEL service in 2009 to compete with Malaysia Airlines. The 3 carriers will now compete vigarously on this route.

(This is a repost owing to earlier deletion)

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: EmiratesUK
Posted 2010-01-07 04:06:25 and read 9814 times.

Just looking at the schedules for DXB-MEL.. it now means there will be

1x daily DXB-MEL EK406 A345
1x daily DXB-SIN-MEL EK404 77W
1x daily DXB-KUL-MEL EK408 A345

So no capacity/service increase just taking one of the 2 daily non stops and sending it via KUL

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: MilesDependent
Posted 2010-01-07 04:10:14 and read 9799 times.

On another thread it was posted that this is only during Feb/Mar, and it reverts back to nonstop late March.

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: EmiratesUK
Posted 2010-01-07 04:15:46 and read 9782 times.



Quoting MilesDependent (Reply 2):
On another thread it was posted that this is only during Feb/Mar, and it reverts back to nonstop late March.

Was just about to post the same thing... after looking further in to the year it goes back to current operations.

Any idea why they are doing this for Feb/Mar? seems strange to route via KUL for such a short period of time.

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: Kiwiandrew
Posted 2010-01-07 04:39:37 and read 9707 times.



Quoting EmiratesUK (Reply 3):
Any idea why they are doing this for Feb/Mar?

I dont know , but what I do know is that my partner is royally pissed off at having to add the extra time to his MRU-DXB-MEL itinerary - a real PITA as the remaining non-stop DXB-MEL does not make a good connection from the MRU-DXB flight .

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: Vinniewinnie
Posted 2010-01-07 06:08:02 and read 9527 times.



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 4):
I dont know , but what I do know is that my partner is royally pissed off at having to add the extra time to his MRU-DXB-MEL itinerary - a real PITA as the remaining non-stop DXB-MEL does not make a good connection from the MRU-DXB flight .

Sounds like a gigantic detour to me to fly Mauritius - Australia via Dubai whereas there are direct flights from Mauritius to Australia.

Now I know convenience isn't everything but still  Smile

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: Kiwiandrew
Posted 2010-01-07 06:12:51 and read 9515 times.



Quoting Vinniewinnie (Reply 5):
Sounds like a gigantic detour to me to fly Mauritius - Australia via Dubai whereas there are direct flights from Mauritius to Australia.

There is a single weekly MRU-PER-MEL return flight (except in high season when there is a single MRU-MEL direct weekly flight and twice weekly MRU-PER ) which does not operate on the days on which hubby can travel , EK offer daily services usually with reasonable connections ( barring schedule changes  Wink ) . Also , MK charges considerably more than EK .

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: LondonCity
Posted 2010-01-07 06:41:25 and read 9441 times.



Quoting EmiratesUK (Reply 3):
Any idea why they are doing this for Feb/Mar? seems strange to route via KUL for such a short period of time.

According to this article, the flights will not be restricted to Feb/March. They will continue indefinitely according to the Emirates website and the carrier has secured traffic rights between KUL and MEL:

http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...s-to-route-melbourne-flight-via-kl

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: MAS777
Posted 2010-01-07 07:39:51 and read 9331 times.



Quoting LondonCity (Reply 7):
According to this article, the flights will not be restricted to Feb/March. They will continue indefinitely according to the Emirates website and the carrier has secured traffic rights between KUL and MEL:

That is indeed correct - GDS sees the service operating through Summer 2010.

It is an interesting move by EK and some have speculated that BA/QF are/were considering a new LHR-KUL-MEL service operated by BA - which would have seen BA finally returning to KUL.

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: LondonCity
Posted 2010-01-07 08:19:49 and read 9249 times.



Quoting MAS777 (Reply 8):
It is an interesting move by EK

I think the EK product in all classes will go down well with Malaysian travellers. As for Y class, it may well offer special rates which compete favourably (by the time passengers allow for having to pay for meals and so on) with those of Air Asia X.

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: KissK
Posted 2010-01-07 10:44:02 and read 9061 times.



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 6):
EK offer daily services usually with reasonable connections ( barring schedule changes

9 FLIGHTS per week

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: Smi0006
Posted 2010-01-07 11:41:21 and read 8975 times.

This is a significant drop on the non-stop capacity, what do people think the chances are that EK may introduce the A380 on the remaining non-stop serivice EK407/406? That operates
DXB-MEL-AKL/AKL-MEL-DXB? Do the Bi-laterals all any increases in capapcity I know they are rather limited in any frequency adjustments..

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: GarethW
Posted 2010-01-07 11:55:45 and read 8941 times.



Quoting Smi0006 (Reply 11):
This is a significant drop on the non-stop capacity, what do people think the chances are that EK may introduce the A380 on the remaining non-stop serivice EK407/406?

As of August 2010, EK406/407 equipment will be 77W. I would be confident however that we will see the 380 on the route in the next 24-36 months.

Regards,
GW

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: Chrisrad
Posted 2010-01-07 12:13:53 and read 8891 times.

This is going to be the death of MH in MEL I fear, they have already been trying to compete with AirAsiaX, often dropping fares to ridiculous levels, now with a supposed premium airline like EK flying the route as well.

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: 9MMAR
Posted 2010-01-07 12:23:23 and read 8861 times.

MH has been reducing their KUL-MEL vv from 14 weekly to 11 weekly with the other 3 weekly service is now being routed via CGK with traffic right, during the time D7 launched their 2nd daily KUL-MEL vv flight.

Based on the current fares, EK's fall in the middle between MH's and D7's.

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: Pellegrine
Posted 2010-01-08 01:26:04 and read 7586 times.



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 4):
I dont know , but what I do know is that my partner is royally pissed off at having to add the extra time to his MRU-DXB-MEL itinerary - a real PITA as the remaining non-stop DXB-MEL does not make a good connection from the MRU-DXB flight .

What a lovely problem to be PITA'd about! I wish I woke up everyday to Mauritius! I would gladly have this problem, as long as I can have high speed internet and satellite!

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 7):

Quoting EmiratesUK (Reply 3):
Any idea why they are doing this for Feb/Mar? seems strange to route via KUL for such a short period of time.

According to this article, the flights will not be restricted to Feb/March. They will continue indefinitely according to the Emirates website and the carrier has secured traffic rights between KUL and MEL:

http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...ia-kl

Strange, I can't imagine KUL-MEL is all that high yielding. Of course not all EK routes are high-yield ones...but the A345 in EK's fleet is configured to a more premium standard.

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2010-01-08 02:08:38 and read 7428 times.

This move really does just show that EK has begun to struggle into MEL under such strong competition from EY and QR. There were 4 daily non stop and 1 daily 1-stop flights to the Middle East before this change (now 3 Daily non stop and 2 daily 1-stops) from MEL. When EK launched its 2nds Daily non-stop it was the only non-stop option from MEL to the Middle East.

I don't see why they did not try via BKK, which would seem to be a stronger market if they wanted to have a stop. KUL is saturated at present with 4 daily flight (3 weekly via CGK) on MH and D7. BKK has 2 daily TG and 3 Weekly JQ from MEL on that route.

The EK product is not a very comfortable one and has very inconsistent service standards so it is little wonder that EK has seen a slide in numbers (not forgetting a close call last year on take off from MEL also). EY has made major inrpoads and QR has now made its move so it will be interesting to see the next moves made by all carriers. It is also important to note that there are now currently more daily flights to the Middle East from MEL than SYD (SYD= 32 weekly inc. EK 21 Weekly EY 11 Weekly ; MEL = 35 inc. EK 21 Weekly EY 7 Weekly QR 7 Weekly).

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: Gardermoen
Posted 2010-01-08 05:08:08 and read 7051 times.

A possible reason for EK feeling the pressure could also be due to the ungodly departure time ex MEL on EK 409 (2.55am)

I've always felt MEL could do with a daylight departure for the Middle East say around 7-8am (like EK do ex PER and SYD) - this will still connect with the bank of departures to other regional and several European ports.

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: Tayser
Posted 2010-01-08 05:28:01 and read 7031 times.

If BA were to ever start LHR-MEL again, they'd do big business through-routing one of their Indian services as there's no non-stop services and no doubt Jet (as well as Qantas through the JV) would put their codes on it. i.e LHR-BOM-MEL-BOM-LHR.

SE Asia is saturated with QF, SQ, MH, TG and now D7 and HKG is covered by QF and CX. India makes sense.

[Edited 2010-01-08 05:30:03 by tayser]

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: 9MMAR
Posted 2010-01-08 07:40:51 and read 6895 times.

I think it can be added as well that maybe EK decided to make a stop in KUL for this MEL flight following the recent incentive announced by Malaysia Airports Holdings Berhad. EK is believe to trying to pocket in some money in KUL.



Could also be a trial on a possible 3rd daily terminator flight DXB-KUL vv. But then again, why the flight will be stopped in April 2010?

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: Smi0006
Posted 2010-01-08 07:53:07 and read 6877 times.



Quoting Tayser (Reply 18):
If BA were to ever start LHR-MEL again, they'd do big business through-routing one of their Indian services as there's no non-stop services and no doubt Jet (as well as Qantas through the JV) would put their codes on it. i.e LHR-BOM-MEL-BOM-LHR.

SE Asia is saturated with QF, SQ, MH, TG and now D7 and HKG is covered by QF and CX. India makes sense.

Now there is a fantastic idea that could work nicely (especailly if the flights were crewed by the lower cost indian based BA FAs!). It still suprisies me that no Indian airlines serve Australia yet.

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: LondonCity
Posted 2010-01-08 10:21:55 and read 6776 times.



Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 16):
The EK product is not a very comfortable one

Not in this case because, according to the article, EK will be using an A340-500 which has 8 across seating in Y class. EK's B777s are the ones with the denser 10-across layout but these are not flying DXB-MEL via KUL:

http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...s-to-route-melbourne-flight-via-kl

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 19):
Could also be a trial on a possible 3rd daily terminator flight DXB-KUL vv. But then again, why the flight will be stopped in April 2010?

According to EK's website, the new flights are continuing indefinitely. They will not end in April 2010.

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: 9MMAR
Posted 2010-01-08 11:30:38 and read 6725 times.

I think the flight can't be booked anymore at www.emirates.com from 29 March 2010 onwards.

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o10/9MMAR/MalaysianWings/EKKULMEL3.jpg

[Edited 2010-01-08 11:37:59]

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: Lightsaber
Posted 2010-01-08 15:25:36 and read 6553 times.



Quoting Mas777 (Thread starter):
EK408 departs KUL at 1440 arriving MEL at 0115 next day.
EK409 departs MEL at 0310 arriving KUL at 0810 same morning.

Departs at 03:10? Ummm... Yuck!

How many A345's will be required to keep this route going DXB-KUL-MEL and back?

Quoting EmiratesUK (Reply 1):
1x daily DXB-MEL EK406 A345
1x daily DXB-SIN-MEL EK404 77W
1x daily DXB-KUL-MEL EK408 A345

Just for clarification, I assume EK is indeed flying 3X day to MEL with two of the flights with a stop (one in SIN and the new one in KUL)?

Interesting routing. Do to the short legs, this would be perfect for the A333.  duck 

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: 6thfreedom
Posted 2010-01-08 15:45:13 and read 6531 times.



Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 22):
I think the flight can't be booked anymore at www.emirates.com from 29 March 2010 onwards.

The EK timetable also showed these services operating 2 Feb to 28 March only.
Where is the evidence that it is a longer term prospect??

I have no doubt that EK may occasionally do reduce capacity in the future during low seasons on DXB-MEL and DXB-KUL, say Feb/March and Oct/Nov annually.

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: Antskip
Posted 2010-01-08 16:23:35 and read 6493 times.



Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 16):
The EK product is not a very comfortable one and has very inconsistent service standards

EK "not comfortable"? you must have been unlucky."Inconsistent standards"? you must have been unlucky. I have travelled 40+ times on an array of cattle class EK flights and not one was "not comfortable". "consistency'? - well, the cabin crew was in every instance different - some individuals were preferable to others, as is the case for fellow passengers - but how that varies from NZ or QF I do not know.  Smile

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2010-01-09 01:24:15 and read 6411 times.



Quoting Antskip (Reply 25):
EK "not comfortable"? you must have been unlucky."Inconsistent standards"? you must have been unlucky. I have travelled 40+ times on an array of cattle class EK flights and not one was "not comfortable". "consistency'? - well, the cabin crew was in every instance different - some individuals were preferable to others, as is the case for fellow passengers - but how that varies from NZ or QF I do not know.

Everything is subjective. I have had six sectors on EK and only 1 was a pleasant experience. Thats what u call almost 'consistant' service. Consistently bad. Thats my experiences and have heard alot of negative feedback from others on EK flights. I will try EY next time to see if there is a difference.

The 10 abreast 777s are not a good idea. It feels extremely cramped. The A340-500 was a much better experience overall though.

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: Cwalt
Posted 2010-01-09 04:11:39 and read 6292 times.



Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 24):
The EK timetable also showed these services operating 2 Feb to 28 March only.
Where is the evidence that it is a longer term prospect??

A statement from Emirates Australia issued on Thursday 07 Jan announcing the Kuala Lumpur service, along with sale fares to the Malaysian capital, stated the below conditions:

Fare terms and conditions:
• Valid for sales from 8th January to 8th March 2010
• Travel Dates 2nd February 2010 – 30th November 2010
• Valid EK409/408 only for travel between MEL and KUL

So, it appears as though EK is looking long term at the KUL transit service between MEL/DXB, with travel dates available until 30 Nov.

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: Tayser
Posted 2010-01-09 05:48:28 and read 6195 times.

eh meh, EK are the US Legacy carrier (read: average at best) of all the Middle East carriers - with EY and QR offering non-stops plus the good EK product (as opposed to the shiteful 773 via SIN), MEL's still well serviced (non-stop) by airlines from that part of the world.

Just caught a glimpse of QR31 departing from Runway 16 and making a right hand turn towards Doha - even stopped the car to have a better captain cook, 77L sure is handsome.

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: LondonCity
Posted 2010-01-09 07:36:47 and read 6113 times.



Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 26):
Thats my experiences and have heard alot of negative feedback from others on EK flights. I will try EY next time to see if there is a difference.
The 10 abreast 777s are not a good idea

Best to choose your EY flight carefully. I say that, because EY will soon start reconfiguring its B777s with a 10-abreast Y class layout.

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: Gemuser
Posted 2010-01-09 14:57:35 and read 5926 times.



Quoting Antskip (Reply 25):

EK "not comfortable"? you must have been unlucky.



Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 26):

Everything is subjective. I have had six sectors on EK and only 1 was a pleasant experience.

I too have only six sectors experience on EK, but my view is very similar to IndianicWorlds. The cabin crew were up to QF/BA Y standards on only two of the sectors, the other 4 I would describe as amateurish. (Frankly DJ/JQ do better, let alone the Kiwis on Pac Blue, who were just about the best cabin crew I've ever seen.) The A332 aircraft were great & very comfortable. The B77Ws? Frankly the less said the better! I have never flown in any other B777, so I can't comment on any other airlines, but the EK ones were dreadful; tight seats (width), cramped, confined, outright gloomy cabin. On the basis of just EKs aircraft, what a poor, poor replacement for the Queen of the Skies!

To be fair, the fares were great! Would I fly EKs B77W again? I really don't know, but I would avoid it if at all economically feasible.

Gemuser

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: Antskip
Posted 2010-01-09 18:18:06 and read 5793 times.



Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 26):
Everything is subjective. I have had six sectors on EK and only 1 was a pleasant experience. Thats what u call almost 'consistant' service. Consistently bad. Thats my experiences and have heard alot of negative feedback from others on EK flights. I will try EY next time to see if there is a difference.

The 10 abreast 777s are not a good idea. It feels extremely cramped. The A340-500 was a much better experience overall

Yes, it is interesting how the same situation can be seen so differently! I have suffered much more from inconsistency from QF and NZ, the other airlines I mostly have travelled on the last 10 years. I have been choosing EK because in comparison they are solid and dependable - plus good entertainment, prices and consistently modern aircraft. Their flight crew and attendants are so often South Africans, Australians and New Zealanders to be like a "home" airline to me.

The biggest mark against them for me is DXB, which I find a truly unpleasant place to have as a world-embracing hub. Transiting there reminds me of long ago transiting through Sydney Central Railway Station when I used to travel by train a lot. A nightmare!

I agree on the A345 - a lovely plane - especially if one can travel with a partner - then one never needs to meet (compromize with) anyone other than the flight attendant until the end of the journey. A big thing, because in cattle class the quality of the fellow passengers you are forced to meet are just as crucial an ingredient in travel happiness as the airline you are travelling with, in this age of fully loaded cabins.

I actually prefer the B777 over the A345 as a plane (it feels roomier), but that broad generalization can easily be wiped out by seating arrangements in cattle class (i.e who one is sitting next to for hour upon hour!).

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: Chrisrad
Posted 2010-01-09 18:42:04 and read 5770 times.

Launch fares are out from MEL
Business Class $3069
First Class $4549

MH is a bit cheaper, obviously no F class though from MEL

I still find MH's J class more spacious

MH
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/chrisrad/DSC01653.jpg
EK

Topic: RE: Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL
Username: Gemuser
Posted 2010-01-09 20:42:54 and read 5675 times.



Quoting Antskip (Reply 31):
The biggest mark against them for me is DXB, which I find a truly unpleasant place to have as a world-embracing hub. Transiting there reminds me of long ago transiting through Sydney Central Railway Station when I used to travel by train a lot. A nightmare!

Talk about thru different eyes! I found DXB, in two transits to be an excellent hub. The first was from 06:30 to 10:00 and was easy, if a bit crowed in the central area, but away from there very comfortable. The second was from 23:30 to 8:30(or so). For this one I gave in and got a hotel room in the hotel before immigration, so we had a very good nights sleep to get read for the milk run home.

Gemuser


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