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Topic: Widebody Deliveries In 2009
Username: PM
Posted 2010-01-12 17:23:52 and read 2667 times.

Airbus and Boeing delivered 205 widebodies between them in 2009.

That compares with…

2008 : 182
2007 : 197
2006 : 186

I haven’t checked back beyond 2006 but I’m guessing that 205 is a record. That’s interesting given the prophesies at the start of the year.

The 205 comprised:

777 : 88
A330 : 76
767 : 13
A340 : 10
A380 : 10
747 : 8

In terms of engines ( )…

115 had GE (56%)
76 had RR (37%)
10 had PW (5%)
4 had EA (2%)

GE delivered…
168 x GE90 (777)
70 x CF6 (747, 767, A330)
TOTAL : 238

RR delivered…
112 x Trent 700 (A330)
40 x Trent 500 (A340)
24 x Trent 900 (A380)
8 x Trent 800 (777)
TOTAL : 184

PW delivered…
28 x PW4000 (747, A330)

EA delivered…
16 x GP7000 (A380)

Over the four years 2006-2009…

Boeing delivered 396 widebodies (51% of the total) and Airbus delivered 374 (49%).
Boeing outdelivered Airbus in 2007 and 2009.
Airbus outdelivered Boeing in 2006 and 2008.
GE delivered 946 engines on widebodies (52%)
RR delivered 612 engines (34%)
PW delivered 188 engines (10%)
EA delivered 32 engines (2%)
CFM delivered 28 engines (2%)


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A&B between them sold 148 widebodies in 2009. (There were also cancellations of orders placed in previous years but 148 new planes were sold.)

Of these,
54 will have RR
39 will have GE
6 will have PW
4 will have EA
and 45 have not yet chosen an engine.

In terms of engines,
RR = 110 (49% of known sales)
GE = 88 (39%)
EA = 16 (7%)
PW = 12 (5%)

There are 90 engines left to fight over.

Best-selling engines?

Trent XWB = 54
GE90 = 50
Trent 700 = 40 (with 32 from China Eastern looking a good bet to give them 72)

[Edited 2010-01-16 15:04:50 by Diamond]

Topic: RE: Widebody Deliveries In 2009
Username: Travelhound
Posted 2010-01-15 01:56:37 and read 2412 times.

Has Boeing and Airbus released figures on expected deliveries this year?

Topic: RE: Widebody Deliveries In 2009
Username: Diamond
Posted 2010-01-16 15:07:54 and read 2323 times.

Thread restored.

Topic: RE: Widebody Deliveries In 2009
Username: Jambrain
Posted 2010-01-17 01:44:19 and read 2155 times.



Quoting PM (Thread starter):

168 x GE90 (777)
112 x Trent 700 (A330)

GE must be pretty mad at B and 787 EIS delays: it has given their wide body engine line a huge schedule hole in 10 / 11 and also they are slowing the 777 line from 7 to 5.

Is 2010 going to be year that Trent 700 gets to number 1?

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...2_19_revised_production_rates.html

If 330s are 8.5 / month and RR have 70% market share recently and 777 are only 7 per till may then 5 per month it will be very close, great if we see the pride off English engineering top of the pops  crossfingers 

Topic: RE: Widebody Deliveries In 2009
Username: PM
Posted 2010-01-17 01:57:12 and read 2132 times.



Quoting Jambrain (Reply 3):
Is 2010 going to be year that Trent 700 gets to number 1?

Do you know what? It just might!

Anyhow, you'll be happy to know that the Trent 700 has outsold the GE90 over the past three years by 530 to 436 and if China Eastern confirm RR for their December order for 16 A330s the difference will be 562 to 436.


 bigthumbsup 

Topic: RE: Widebody Deliveries In 2009
Username: Lightsaber
Posted 2010-01-17 17:47:29 and read 1926 times.

Start an engine thread as I go away for three days. No fair!  hissyfit 
Not to mention my membership required renewal here on a.net.  Wink

Quoting Jambrain (Reply 3):

Is 2010 going to be year that Trent 700 gets to number 1?

While it will be close, that is a very interesting thought!

It is a shame that A380 production is so low. That would accelerate engine sales tremendously. At least put EA on the map.  spin 

Quoting Jambrain (Reply 3):

If 330s are 8.5 / month and RR have 70% market share recently and 777 are only 7 per till may then 5 per month it will be very close,

I missed the announcement of the final 777 production rate. What is the sum per year? (e.g., 5*10, 5*11? ) Thanks in advance.

Quoting PM (Reply 4):
Anyhow, you'll be happy to know that the Trent 700 has outsold the GE90 over the past three years by 530 to 436 and if China Eastern confirm RR for their December order for 16 A330s the difference will be 562 to 436.

While exciting, I'm certain that GE, due to their 77W exclusive has much higher margins than the T700. For every A330 order, GE and Pratt are keeping RR having to offer that little bit more aggressive offer.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Widebody Deliveries In 2009
Username: PM
Posted 2010-01-17 17:52:57 and read 1915 times.



Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 5):
For every A330 order, GE and Pratt are keeping RR having to offer that little bit more aggressive offer.

I'm sure this is true. But with RR now outselling GE and PW combined on the A330, how do economies of scale play in all this? RR have now sold 1,000+ Trent 700s. Does that mean they can produce them more cheaply?

Topic: RE: Widebody Deliveries In 2009
Username: Dreadnought
Posted 2010-01-17 18:04:02 and read 1902 times.

What a drop for Pratt & Witney. Remember when they were the number one supplier, with great engines like the JT8 and JT9 series?

Topic: RE: Widebody Deliveries In 2009
Username: PM
Posted 2010-01-17 18:19:56 and read 1891 times.



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
What a drop for Pratt & Witney. Remember when they were the number one supplier, with great engines like the JT8 and JT9 series?

About the same time as RR had less than 5% of the civil market. Amazing how things change.

But then they can - and probably will - change again. I think PW will be back. Not soon, but they will.

Topic: RE: Widebody Deliveries In 2009
Username: Cptspeaking
Posted 2010-01-17 20:38:24 and read 1825 times.



Quoting PM (Reply 8):

Slightly off topic, as this is a thread about widebodies.

The point can be made that PW has just shifted their market a bit. After all, they do produce the greatest turboprop engine of all time in the PT6 - an engine that flies on several types with several variations.

So, as they've dropped off a bit with widebodies, and may be back in the future, it's not like they're struggling all that much now.  Smile


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