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Topic: Why No AA On MIA-BQN?
Username: BNAFlyer
Posted 2010-02-03 12:56:15 and read 3596 times.

If this a redundant topic, my apologies but a search didn't turn up anything. I know Aguadilla, PR is a popular destination, with multiple flights from NYC plus FLL and MCO service. With it's extensive Caribbean/Latin America service, why doesn't AA fly this? Surely there would be enough cnx pax? Anyone? Anyone?

Topic: RE: Why No AA On MIA-BQN?
Username: SurfandSnow
Posted 2010-02-03 13:06:24 and read 3558 times.

AA has always focused on its SJU operation (not sure if you can call it a hub anymore). I believe in the past AA operated flights from SJU to other points within the island, rather than flying to secondary Puerto Rican cities from the mainland. JetBlue has really made such tremendous inroads into the PR market that AA has focused its efforts elsewhere...

Topic: RE: Why No AA On MIA-BQN?
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2010-02-03 13:15:15 and read 3529 times.

AA has flown MIA-BQN in the past. Obviously, this is a market that AA should be flying, but, like dozens of others, it isn't flying. Blame it on lack of risk-taking, although I don't think MIA-BQN is much of a "risk" at all.

Topic: RE: Why No AA On MIA-BQN?
Username: USAirALB
Posted 2010-02-03 13:17:56 and read 3522 times.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):



AA has flown MIA-BQN in the past. Obviously, this is a market that AA should be flying, but, like dozens of others, it isn't flying. Blame it on lack of risk-taking, although I don't think MIA-BQN is much of a "risk" at all.

Do they currently fly Ponce? If not, I would think that Ponce would be a market that AA should flying.

Mark- where else do you believe that AA could successfully fly mainline out of MIA to?

Topic: RE: Why No AA On MIA-BQN?
Username: BNAFlyer
Posted 2010-02-03 13:25:19 and read 3498 times.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
AA has flown MIA-BQN in the past. Obviously, this is a market that AA should be flying, but, like dozens of others, it isn't flying. Blame it on lack of risk-taking, although I don't think MIA-BQN is much of a "risk" at all.

Thanks. I thought they had flown to BQN in the past but couldn't recall if from MIA or JFK. I guess it depends on where the majority of BQN's traffic originates, but MIA does seem logical, especially to those who prefer to not use B6 or NK via the other Florida destinations. JFK would be out of the way for many, again assuming on where the traffic is coming from.

Topic: RE: Why No AA On MIA-BQN?
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2010-02-03 13:32:37 and read 3477 times.



Quoting USAirALB (Reply 3):
Do they currently fly Ponce? If not, I would think that Ponce would be a market that AA should flying.

No, AA only flies to San Juan. Which is pathetic for Puerto Rico's largest airline.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 3):

Mark- where else do you believe that AA could successfully fly mainline out of MIA to?

There are dozens upon dozens of cities that could work. Just domestically, Seattle, San Diego, Ponce, Aguadilla, Kansas City and Austin to name some.

Quoting BNAFlyer (Reply 4):

Thanks. I thought they had flown to BQN in the past but couldn't recall if from MIA or JFK. I guess it depends on where the majority of BQN's traffic originates, but MIA does seem logical, especially to those who prefer to not use B6 or NK via the other Florida destinations. JFK would be out of the way for many, again assuming on where the traffic is coming from.

Agaudilla is almost pure VFR, and the traffic is mainly going to South and Central Florida and New York/New Jersey. Connections don't really make much of a benefit here when the traffic is so heavily concentrated.

The reason AA probably isn't in BQN/PSE is because its cost structure is to high to effectively compete and AA does not see the possibility of exploiting connections from MIA, since there wouldn't be that many.

Topic: RE: Why No AA On MIA-BQN?
Username: SJUSXM
Posted 2010-02-03 15:09:49 and read 3375 times.

It was JFK-BQN back in 01, right after the TWA takeover. Operated with an MD-80 believe it or not.

Topic: RE: Why No AA On MIA-BQN?
Username: Flyby519
Posted 2010-02-03 15:23:14 and read 3359 times.

Does AA have any long term plans for SJU? Is this the beginning of the end for "hub" operations in SJU?

Topic: RE: Why No AA On MIA-BQN?
Username: SurfandSnow
Posted 2010-02-03 17:21:40 and read 3224 times.



Quoting Flyby519 (Reply 7):
Does AA have any long term plans for SJU? Is this the beginning of the end for "hub" operations in SJU?

SJU isn't a "hub" for AA anymore. The beginning of the end happened about 15 years ago, when most of the flights to the islands were downgraded from mainline to Eagle turboprops. But we still saw the multiple daily widebodies (A300s) coming in from all over the mainland U.S. - certainly MIA and JFK, and I'm pretty sure you also had them coming down from BOS, MCO, FLL, perhaps even BDL at one point? Then you had the entry of B6 into the SJU market coupled with the economic recession, which hit AA's bottom line very hard. In response, AA aggressively slashed all kinds of frequencies, downgauged equipment, and cut six cities from SJU entirely. They actually cut too much - much of the island flying has been restored to regular levels, I believe widebody service to MIA does once again exist, and frequencies have been slowly added back to the mainland markets. Service to BWI, LAX, and IAD has been restored, leaving only EWR, MCO, and FLL to return (given the presence of FL, B6, and NK, I doubt we will ever see MCO or FLL come back, but EWR could be a possibility). AA remains the only airline to serve the Caribbean in any fashion from BDL, DFW, and LAX, and offers the only flights from TPA and MIA to SJU. AA also offers a very lucrative SJU-CCS service. For most Americans, SJU remains the primary gateway to much of the Eastern Caribbean. However, the days have come and gone where AA refers to the airport as a "hub".

Topic: RE: Why No AA On MIA-BQN?
Username: Flyby519
Posted 2010-02-03 17:23:33 and read 3221 times.

Thanks for the detailed info, yea I didnt know what to call it but agree the term hub is not suitable for SJU anymore!

It is promising to see a small uptick in the SJU-mainland service though.Lets hope it continues.

[Edited 2010-02-03 17:27:15]

Topic: RE: Why No AA On MIA-BQN?
Username: MIASkies
Posted 2010-02-03 17:42:56 and read 3167 times.



Quoting SJUSXM (Reply 6):

AA flew MIA-BQN for a long while in the 1990's. Not just in 2001 after the TWA merger. AA along with the then Carnival Air Lines (part of Carnival Cruise Lines) were the first airlines if I am not mistaken to open routes to the mainland from both Ponce and Aguadilla. I flew MIA-BQN non stop on American with family on a Boeing 727-200 back in the Summer of 1993. AA at that time had a daily 727-200 to Aguadilla from both Miami and New York's JFK airport.

Topic: RE: Why No AA On MIA-BQN?
Username: USAirALB
Posted 2010-02-03 20:29:09 and read 3071 times.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):

Call me crazy, but I have a feeling we will be seeing CLT-MIA mainline in the near future.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 8):

Again, call me crazy, Im surprised they never tried LHR.

Topic: RE: Why No AA On MIA-BQN?
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2010-02-03 20:33:56 and read 3064 times.



Quoting USAirALB (Reply 11):

Call me crazy, but I have a feeling we will be seeing CLT-MIA mainline in the near future.

I think AA is much happier running four daily RJs. Before that it was 1 daily 738.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 11):
Again, call me crazy, Im surprised they never tried LHR.

Why? There is not much of a market and, besides, San Juan could not have Heathrow service under Bermuda II. Iberia flies to San Juan and links SJU to OW in Europe.

Topic: RE: Why No AA On MIA-BQN?
Username: BNAFlyer
Posted 2010-02-03 21:03:01 and read 3029 times.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
Why? There is not much of a market and, besides, San Juan could not have Heathrow service under Bermuda II. Iberia flies to San Juan and links SJU to OW in Europe.

I have an Air Jamaica timetable, 07/1980 that indicates they actually had a weekly SJU-LHR nonstop with a DC8. Obviously short-lived. Did BA ever fly to SJU?

Topic: RE: Why No AA On MIA-BQN?
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2010-02-03 21:11:31 and read 3019 times.



Quoting BNAFlyer (Reply 13):
I have an Air Jamaica timetable, 07/1980 that indicates they actually had a weekly SJU-LHR nonstop with a DC8. Obviously short-lived.

Third-country airlines were not restricted by Bermuda II and could fly LHR-SJU.

Quoting BNAFlyer (Reply 13):
Did BA ever fly to SJU?

Yes, from Gatwick until 9/11.

Topic: RE: Why No AA On MIA-BQN?
Username: MIASkies
Posted 2010-02-03 22:34:56 and read 2962 times.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
I think AA is much happier running four daily RJs. Before that it was 1 daily 738

What they need to do is add another daily flight to RDU to make it 4 daily flights! Everytime I fly back home to Miami from RDU the flights are packed. But I don't see AA adding a 4th daily with a 737 anytime soon and for some reason I don't see them adding a jungle jet flight. MIA-RDU imo is a perfect for multiple daily EMB-170/175 flights or mix with a 737 flight here and there.

CLT is US Territory, AA knows that and like MAH said they are content with running Eagle jets on that route, seems like they are doing well! Didn't they add an additional flight this season to CLT?

Topic: RE: Why No AA On MIA-BQN?
Username: AA B777-200
Posted 2010-02-03 23:41:11 and read 2922 times.

Okay guys,

It's obvious that AA hasn't planned any big things to happen for SJU the last couple of years.

The SJU-LHR/LGW could've worked. I'm sure there's tons of passenger who rather avoid going to SJU through Miami, NY or other gateways to get to PR.
I Think BCal actually operated SJU-LGW right?

Back in the late 80s Eastern actually operated 757/A300s into Ponce. Since AA has always been the big boy in PR, I was surprised that AA never made a move to operated into PSE.

And stull waiting for JFK-BQN to return! A daily 752/763 coul work!

Topic: RE: Why No AA On MIA-BQN?
Username: Cws818
Posted 2010-02-04 00:30:12 and read 2897 times.



Quoting AA B777-200 (Reply 16):
Since AA has always been the big boy in PR, I was surprised that AA never made a move to operated into PSE.

I think OW used to operate SJU-PSE (as well as SJU-MAZ).

Topic: RE: Why No AA On MIA-BQN?
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2010-02-04 07:55:18 and read 2811 times.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
I think AA is much happier running four daily RJs. Before that it was 1 daily 738.

I think there was also a (relatively short lived) time in the middle - probably 2004/2005 or so - when it ran with a 738 and a couple of RJs.

Topic: RE: Why No AA On MIA-BQN?
Username: MIASkies
Posted 2010-02-04 08:28:17 and read 2785 times.



Quoting AA B777-200 (Reply 16):

AA did fly MIA-PSE for a fact and I believe JFK-PSE in the 90's with Boeing 727-200. Indeed, for many years American Eagle flew daily flights between SJU-PSE and SJU-MAZ.

Topic: RE: Why No AA On MIA-BQN?
Username: DFWEagle
Posted 2010-02-05 14:17:04 and read 2640 times.

Quoting MIASkies (Reply 10):
AA flew MIA-BQN for a long while in the 1990's. Not just in 2001 after the TWA merger. AA along with the then Carnival Air Lines (part of Carnival Cruise Lines) were the first airlines if I am not mistaken to open routes to the mainland from both Ponce and Aguadilla. I flew MIA-BQN non stop on American with family on a Boeing 727-200 back in the Summer of 1993. AA at that time had a daily 727-200 to Aguadilla from both Miami and New York's JFK airport.

AA started MIA-BQN in December 1991 and it was cut after four years. They started MIA-PSE in November 1992 and that was cut after only one year.

Topic: RE: Why No AA On MIA-BQN?
Username: USAirALB
Posted 2010-02-05 14:50:20 and read 2618 times.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 18):

There was. I'm no genius, but I would be willing to bet that CLT may see more AA mainline in the future.

Topic: RE: Why No AA On MIA-BQN?
Username: PRAirbus
Posted 2010-02-05 15:15:44 and read 2599 times.

AA flew to Aguadilla over 10+yrs ago...BQN is mostly a low cost market. AA is not interested.


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