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Topic: United Sues New Zealand's Gov!
Username: Kevin
Posted 2001-05-17 01:45:48 and read 1209 times.

Now this will be an interesting process to follow:

Cabin crew members with U.S. carrier United Airlines have started court action over New Zealand's practice of spraying airplane cabins to kill insects, the U.S. Association of Flight Attendants said Wednesday.

Airline staff have blamed the insecticide for symptoms including itchy skin, headaches and nerve problems.

The spray, repeated inside cabins every six to eight weeks, was making cabin crew members sick, Association spokeswoman Judith Morowski told National Radio.

United, the only U.S. airline regularly serving New Zealand, confirmed that flight attendants have lodged health claims in court but would not release details of the legal action. Morowski also did not give details of the case.

Morowski said the association fields as many as 15 complaints a week from crew on flights to New Zealand, Australia and Japan.

Crew members reported reactions consistent with exposure to the sprays.

"Typically, rash, severe rash, particularly on the parts of the body that are not covered by clothing, upper respiratory complaints, difficulty breathing, wheezing, inflammation of the eyes and so on," she said.

'Cumulative effect' of exposure
While spraying takes place on few actual flights, the residue remains in the aircraft cabin for about eight weeks.

Morowski said airliner cabin crews are constantly exposed to the chemicals, and "there has been shown to be a cumulative effect of exposures to these pesticides."

On its Web site, the association says residual spray could be "absorbed through the skin or through the stomach if a person eats food prepared on sticky galley counters."

The association is urging the World Health Organization, U.S. Federal Aviation Administration and other agencies to press New Zealand to ease its regulations.

But the government said Wednesday it would not be changing its practice, which aims at keeping foreign insects out of the country where they could wreak havoc in the agriculture sector.

The WHO-approved insecticide is safe and New Zealand is one of 35 countries which spray airliner cabins, said border management program manager Mike Alexander.

Spray which includes the insecticide D-phenothrin is used when people are still on board, and permethrin, a slightly stronger agent, is used after people disembark from the plane.

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has banned the sprays from aircraft in the United States and is reported to be investigating suggestions that some ingredients can damage the brains of infants and fetuses.

I do not even know who's side to take in here. From one side New Zealand is right, but United has its truth too. Time will show!


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Topic: RE: United Sues New Zealand's Gov!
Username: JaseWGTN
Posted 2001-05-17 01:57:07 and read 1102 times.

So why doesn't it effect any of the other airlines that fly to New Zealand?

A spokes person for the Air NZ Cabin crew were on the news this morning saying that it doesn't affect Air NZ and they fly more that just once a day.

I remember only 10 years ago, when you landed in Auckland, MAF officals would walk down the aisles with aerosol sprays doing the whole plane before they would let you off it!!!!

Topic: RE: United Sues New Zealand's Gov!
Username: Jet_guy
Posted 2001-05-17 02:15:58 and read 1089 times.

How dare we try to keep our clean green country free from dangerous animals, and Bacteria!!!!!
We have some nerve acting in this reckless manner.......
I personally think it is a good thing.
Keep NZ green

Sam

Topic: RE: United Sues New Zealand's Gov!
Username: 777XI
Posted 2001-05-17 03:21:00 and read 1057 times.

Why doesn't it affect other airlines that fly to NZ? Probably because they aren't vocal like the AFA at United Airlines is. While this is the first time people have publicly heard of any problems associated with the spray, it is by no means the first time problems have arisen.

When you take ANZ crews into account, you must remember that they are exposed to the sprays and other chemicals in NZ much more frequently than their counterparts in other countries, therefore having 'adapted' (for lack of a better word) to the chemicals.

Regards,
777XI

Topic: RE: United Sues New Zealand's Gov!
Username: Boeing747-400
Posted 2001-05-17 03:24:14 and read 1052 times.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm  Big thumbs up

Topic: RE: United Sues New Zealand's Gov!
Username: JaseWGTN
Posted 2001-05-17 03:37:45 and read 1041 times.

777XI

So why then don't I get sick from it? I don't travel abroad everyweek/everyday like the Air NZ F/A's, only maybe once, twice a month like the UA F/A's who come here.

Why doesn't it affect other F/A's from other airlines like AR? SQ? CX? MH? TG? TN? PH? or are they all "immune" to it now unlike the American crews?

Topic: RE: United Sues New Zealand's Gov!
Username: Oz777
Posted 2001-05-17 03:42:40 and read 1042 times.

Look at the age of the United cabin crew - not one under 60!!! They are probably looking for a good payout when they retire.

No seriously, the ANZ and QF aircraft have a system where the spray is part of the cabin air feed so there is no need for the contact spray.

I am also just a little cynical about the "prolonged" exposure bit from the UA people. How is that we are not seeing some reaction from their FFs who do the LAX-AKL sector regularly.

The pray IS approved by the WHO, and NZ has the absolute right to determine the requirements for quarantine enforcement.

If this goes the way of the litigious USA, then I can see UA having to pull out of the NZ and OZ markets. Good news for ANZ and QF.

Tell the cabin crew to cut back on the make-up to cover the wrinkles, and adopt the more natural "south pacific" complexion. I always new the ANZAC's were tough.
Oz777

Topic: RE: United Sues New Zealand's Gov!
Username: Jet_guy
Posted 2001-05-17 04:19:28 and read 1026 times.

cant be any more true!!!!

Topic: RE: United Sues New Zealand's Gov!
Username: Catpac
Posted 2001-05-17 04:59:20 and read 1013 times.

hey jet_guy, whaz up...you finished your assignment yet...hehe

I think that the UA flight attendants are making an elephant out of a mouse, seriously there are two dozen other carriers flying into AKL and not a single complaint about the spray,...etc.

Anyway just my two cents.
Mike

Topic: RE: United Sues New Zealand's Gov!
Username: Catpac
Posted 2001-05-17 05:09:12 and read 1008 times.

Jet_guy, you're the dude, I'll put you under my respected users....hehe

Topic: RE: United Sues New Zealand's Gov!
Username: Brenjoro_QF
Posted 2001-05-17 09:23:23 and read 985 times.

and they say that the pom's are whingers, if UA dont like it they can piss off and let the professional's(QF & ANZ) do it.

Does Aust. use the same method? I know that when you fly into DRW or BWN they spray the A/C with Aerosols.

Topic: RE: United Sues New Zealand's Gov!
Username: QantasAirways
Posted 2001-05-17 09:35:11 and read 981 times.

In Australia, they do the same spray, but no airlines have ever complained about it!
Why UAL!! They fly to SYD too!

Regards

Topic: RE: United Sues New Zealand's Gov!
Username: Aviatsiya
Posted 2001-05-17 10:18:34 and read 973 times.

777XI

Why doesn't it affect other airlines that fly to NZ? Probably because they aren't vocal like the AFA at United Airlines is.

You think that American unions are vocal?

You obviously know nothing about unionism in Australia and New Zealand, where a dispute with hairdressers can have the potential to shut down the entire country, as workers from other industries join the action as well.

How vocal is that?

While this is the first time people have publicly heard of any problems associated with the spray, it is by no means the first time problems have arisen.

Let me rephrase this.

first time people have publicly heard of any alleged problems associated with the spray.

There is no proof at all that there ARE problems.


Australia and New Zealand are two nations which are in a pristine state, and where agriculture is one of the major industries. Both country's products are renowned around the world for their superiority and also their "cleanliness". And we are fully entitled to protect that environment at all costs, as long as no harm is being done to humans.

UA has what 1 daily flight into AKL?

As people have mentioned above, why are no other airlines' f/a's complaining? You say that NZs f/a's are immune to these pesticides.

How does that then explain that f/a's from other airlines, such as Royal Tongan, Air Nauru, Air Niugini, Garuda, British Airways, etc who also have flights into Australia and NZ are not complaining about this spray?

Why also is UA NOT taking on the Australian government? Could it be coz they know we would tell them to "get stuffed"?

Until such time as these f/a's are able to find a "safer" alternative to the current regulations which New Zealand is entitled to enforce, they should stay out of agricultural science and stick to those things which they know best, i.e. pushing a trolley up and down the aisle, whilst ask "Would you like more peanuts". God knows some of the United f/a's I have encountered can't even do that properly!

Topic: RE: United Sues New Zealand's Gov!
Username: MEA
Posted 2001-05-17 13:11:59 and read 949 times.

Sorry, guys without alienating alot of the Americans who are members, all I can say is typical!

Topic: RE: United Sues New Zealand's Gov!
Username: OverseasBHX
Posted 2001-05-17 13:59:05 and read 940 times.

It's sort of strange to hear about complaints from specific persons (crews) on board a specific carrier (UA). As other comments have pointed out, there doesn't seem to be any complaint from any other carrier.

Any comments from/about passengers? There must be an awful lot of passengers out there flying into and out of OZ/NZ all the time, probably much more often than UA's crews, and I have never ever heard any complaints from them.

I do think countries like OZ and NZ do have the right to enforce the measures they consider appropriate to keep their -privileged- environment privileged!

Topic: RE: United Sues New Zealand's Gov!
Username: Brenjoro_QF
Posted 2001-05-17 14:13:15 and read 943 times.

And they call the poms whiners, So many airlines fly in and out of AUS/NZ and they are the only ones to be affected. Here is a list of airlines serving SYD, only one of them have problems with the spray.

Aerolineas Argentina
Air Calin
Air Canada
Air China
Air Nauru
Air New Zealand
Air Niugini
Air Pacific
Air Tahiti Nui
Air Vanuatu
All Nippon Airways (Codeshare)
Ansett Australia
AOM French Airline
Asiana Airlines
British Airways
Canada 3000
Cathay Pacific
China Airlines
China Eastern
China Southern Airlines
Egyptair
Emirates
Eva Airways
Finnair
Flightwest
Freedom Air
Garuda Indonesia
Gulf Air
Japan Airlines
KLM Royal Dutch
Korean Air
Lan Chile
Lauda Air
Lufthansa
Malaysia Airlines
Norfolk Jet Express
Olympic Airways
Polynesian Airlines
Qantas
Royal Tongan
Singapore
Solomon Airlines
South African
SriLankan Airlines
Swissair
Thai Airways

United Airlines > Acting devilish

Vietnam Airlines

I still cant beleive the cheek, Aus and NZ should just tell united to pack their bags and go home (and then wait 3-4 week for their bags to arrive Wink/being sarcastic)


Topic: RE: United Sues New Zealand's Gov!
Username: Jet_guy
Posted 2001-05-18 02:32:12 and read 898 times.

Aviatsyia...
While i dont agree with your comment about Hairdressers shutting down the whole country, I totally agree with the cleanliness point. While the UK are just bearly making it thorugh the foot-n-mouth crisis, we here rely on the clean green image that we portray throughout the world.

To UAL, all I have to say is Harden Up!!!

Catpac....Havent stated .207 yet but had a look at it, and well maybe i will leave it till the last week, it looks pretty hard!

Sam

Topic: RE: United Sues New Zealand's Gov!
Username: Acvitale
Posted 2001-05-18 03:08:59 and read 892 times.

Silly question ...


Since when is SYD in New Zealand... DUH!

The spray is in New Zealand not SYD!

Try listing carriers flying internationally into AKL and exclude flights from Australia now you have the list of carriers. Now as to who is right ndo not know but, ofetn it takes one to be vocal before the others come out....

Al

Topic: RE: United Sues New Zealand's Gov!
Username: Megatop747-412
Posted 2001-05-18 03:14:14 and read 890 times.

Add to Jet_guys comments...

Well, the NZ Govt is now doing all possible to stop the spread of diseases, such as the foot-n-mouth etc. If you've been in NZ, you'd have seen their ads - "Stop Foon-N-Mouth, by word of mouth!" Basically urging us to tell friends/relatives to stop bringing/sending food stuffs over.

And, besides pax a/c, I believe they spray such things on cargo planes too...

Topic: RE: United Sues New Zealand's Gov!
Username: Oz777
Posted 2001-05-18 03:28:02 and read 887 times.

Actually the Australian spray is a little different - at one time NZ was using DDT out of the aerosol cans. I can remember that that stuff used to affect your nostrils (I reckon it killed any bugs in your body system as well as the aircraft). There was always a warning from the cabin crew to cover your noses with a handkerchief.

I really reckon that NZ will tell UA to suck it. More so than OZ, as NZ already has a history of telling the yanks to go jump. Nuclear ships into NZ ports is just one example.

The UA flight attendants are not getting an increase in their pay, so this I still suggest is a way they can get "further compensation".

Oz777

Topic: RE: United Sues New Zealand's Gov!
Username: Jet_guy
Posted 2001-05-18 03:48:40 and read 879 times.

Megatop747-412
I live in AKL so I am all to aware of MAF's campaign to prevent the disease entering NZ!

This ceratinly an interesting topic, and hopefully some tests about it would be published about it, as the world becomes more of a Global Village problems such as this might soon become irrelevant!


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