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Topic: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: thenoflyzone
Posted 2010-04-05 20:12:28 and read 8993 times.

Interesting year, 2009 was !

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/51-209-x/2010001/t002-eng.htm

1. YYZ 407,724 -5.0%
2. YVR 313,984 -7.1%
3. YYC 233,145 -5.4%
4. YUL 211,999 -5.9%
5. YHU 199,045 5.7% (busiest GA airport in Canada, overtaking Boundary Bay)
6. YDT 184,052 -7.8%
7. YOW 171,957 1.1%
8. YYJ 166,615 -4.3%
9. YXU 159,013 -3.4%
10. YQM 158,456 20.2% (impressive increase)
11. YKZ 154,702 -5.7%
12. YBW 143,523 -14.1%
13. YWG 134,242 -6.0%
14. YQB 128,890 2.7%
15. YEG 126,775 -4.9%
16. YPK 125,409 4.4%
17. YXX 123,102 -21.5%
18. Winnipeg/St. Andrews Airport (CYAV) 109,756 5.3%
19. YFC 106,178 44.8% (no wonder NavCan opened a control tower there recently! )
20. YTZ 102,194 9.6%

Nice to see YHU alive with 200,000 movements. Also nice to see Montreal's two major airports in 4th and 5th place. Just goes to show that even though YYC is busier than YUL in terms of movements, Montreal is still the third busiest terminal airspace in Canada.

(Towered airports are considered. YMX, Downsview and so on do not have control towers, and are therefore not counted)

Vancouver (YVR, YDT, YPK, CXH) - 678,186
Toronto (YYZ, YKZ, YTZ) - 664,620
Montreal (YUL, YHU)- 411,044
Calgary (YYC, YBW) - 376,668
Edmonton (YEG, YXD, CZVL) - 263,187
Winnipeg (YWG, CYAV) - 243,998

Thenoflyzone

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: CGKings317
Posted 2010-04-05 20:46:38 and read 8903 times.

Thanks for sharing this information thenoflyzone! As a YOWer at the moment who goes spotting on occasion, I have been wondering how YOW stacks up with other Canadian airports. Interesting to note YOW saw a YoY increase whereas most saw a decrease. I always has a hunch that it was somewhere between 6 and 8. Nice to get the confirmation.  

Can you or any other A.netters offer an explanation to the massive growth at YQM? Military? GA? Airlines? They must be doing something right out in the self-proclaimed "heart of Atlantic Canada."

~CGKings317  

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: Brick
Posted 2010-04-05 21:03:18 and read 8871 times.

I'm surprised Halifax (YHZ) isn't on the list.

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: threepoint
Posted 2010-04-05 21:53:53 and read 8720 times.

I suspect Boundary Bay will drop further in the 2010 ranking, as the Olympics curtailed all flying for a number of weeks. But it'll return...

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: AC_B777
Posted 2010-04-06 06:25:22 and read 8458 times.

I suspect we will see the numbers increase for YYT in the coming years as the plans are to lengthen runways 11/29 and 16/34 by 1500ft each and to upgrade those runways to CAT III ILS.
The airport authority hopes to take traffic away from YQX, YJT and YYR.

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: thenoflyzone
Posted 2010-04-06 13:01:02 and read 8040 times.

Quoting CGKings317 (Reply 1):
Can you or any other A.netters offer an explanation to the massive growth at YQM?

Moncton Flight College.

Quoting Brick (Reply 2):
I'm surprised Halifax (YHZ) isn't on the list.

YHZ doesnt have many VFR movements, and therefore had 88,477 movements in 2009. If you look at the past five year, it's always been in the 80,000s.

Thenoflyzone

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: thenoflyzone
Posted 2010-04-06 13:08:47 and read 8016 times.

Quoting AC_B777 (Reply 4):
suspect we will see the numbers increase for YYT in the coming years as the plans are to lengthen runways 11/29 and 16/34 by 1500ft each and to upgrade those runways to CAT III ILS.

I fail to see how lengthening the runway by 1500ft will attract more airlines. 8,502ft is more than enough for flights within Canada and flights to LHR.

As for the advantages of CATIII, well, dont forget that aircrew and aircraft need to be certified for that, and as far as i know, Jazz Dash-8s and CRJ1, 2s cannot perform CATIII, only CATII. That leaves mainline service, and there is so few at YYT that the gain over CATII would be marginal, and the expenses to maintain the runway to CATIII criteria will probably outweigh the benefits.

If any airport should get CATIII, its YHZ, as it is twice as busy as YYT, and sees much more mainline service. I know that YYT is fogged up most of the time as well, but to go from there to justify CATIII, i'm not so sure.

Thenoflyzone

[Edited 2010-04-06 13:15:15]

[Edited 2010-04-06 13:16:11]

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: thenoflyzone
Posted 2010-04-06 13:10:58 and read 7997 times.

Quoting AC_B777 (Reply 4):
The airport authority hopes to take traffic away from YQX, YJT and YYR.

Not much traffic there to begin with. And the traffic that does fly to those airports are more than likely unable to conduct CATIII approaches !

Thenoflyzone

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: C172Akula
Posted 2010-04-06 13:42:43 and read 7911 times.

Further proof that YYC needed the parallel 34/16 yesterday! At least it is finally going ahead now.

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2010-04-06 13:49:03 and read 7885 times.

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 6):
Quoting AC_B777 (Reply 4):
suspect we will see the numbers increase for YYT in the coming years as the plans are to lengthen runways 11/29 and 16/34 by 1500ft each and to upgrade those runways to CAT III ILS.

I fail to see how lengthening the runway by 1500ft will attract more airlines. 8,502ft is more than enough for flights within Canada and flights to LHR.

YYT also gets numerous medical and technical diversions on transatlantic flights, and those flights have no problem departing for destinations well beyond LHR.

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: cayman
Posted 2010-04-06 14:25:30 and read 7790 times.

Interesting that YVR handles what, approx 1/3 to 1/2 of YYZ pax numbers, but in terms of a/c movements it is over 80% of YYZ. Would that be because of high frequency isalnd hoppng flights among the coastal cities and islands?

I guess 400,000 annual a/c movements for YYZ is relatively low for an airport with around 31M annual pax?

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: AC_B777
Posted 2010-04-06 14:39:53 and read 7748 times.

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 6):
I fail to see how lengthening the runway by 1500ft will attract more airlines. 8,502ft is more than enough for flights within Canada and flights to LHR.

As for the advantages of CATIII, well, dont forget that aircrew and aircraft need to be certified for that, and as far as i know, Jazz Dash-8s and CRJ1, 2s cannot perform CATIII, only CATII. That leaves mainline service, and there is so few at YYT that the gain over CATII would be marginal, and the expenses to maintain the runway to CATIII criteria will probably outweigh the benefits.

If any airport should get CATIII, its YHZ, as it is twice as busy as YYT, and sees much more mainline service. I know that YYT is fogged up most of the time as well, but to go from there to justify CATIII, i'm not so sure.

It's not really about attracting more airlines as it is about getting more tech/fuel stops and diversions. Yes, YYT sees many diversions/emergency landings, however, many still go to YQX/YYR because of the longer runways. Also, the airport authority would like to accomodate the A380 if needed, something that would be hard to do right now. YYT would also like to increase military and GA stopovers
As for the CATIII, if the airport authority wants it and can get the money for it, then what does it matter if YHZ should have one? It's not like there is only a few to go around and someone has to chose who gets them...if YHZ wants CATIII, then they can get the money somehow.
Say what you want about CATII vs CATIII, but when you you have been stuck in YYT for a week or more because nothing can land due to the fog, then you will wish for a better system.

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: pnwtraveler
Posted 2010-04-06 14:45:03 and read 7735 times.

Quoting cayman (Reply 10):
Interesting that YVR handles what, approx 1/3 to 1/2 of YYZ. Would that be because of high frequency isalnd hoppng flights among the coastal cities and islands?
YVR also includes some float plane movement on the south side as well as general aviation.

Some cargo operations use Hamilton rather than YYZ simply because of slot availability and landing fees. That and the heavy widebody flights to Europe etc. I think influence the landings to passenger ratio. Slots during high frequency operations can be pretty tight. There are Caravans for cargo and for Georgian Air, plus the Beech Airliners, but not a lot of private aviation except for business jets. A lot of general aviation uses Brampton (where Brampton flying club) and other surrounding airports besides City Centre and Buttonville.

In general landing cycles can be impacted greatly by flight schools operating there. Cessna's doing touch and go's can account for a lot of movements. There are no separation issues as well like with heavy aircraft.

[Edited 2010-04-06 14:51:21]

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: pnwtraveler
Posted 2010-04-06 14:52:34 and read 7708 times.

Quoting cayman (Reply 10):
Interesting that YVR handles what, approx 1/3 to 1/2 of YYZ pax numbers, but in terms of a/c movements it is over 80% of YYZ. Would that be because of high frequency isalnd hoppng flights among the coastal cities and islands?

YVR also includes some float plane movement on the south side as well as general aviation.

Some cargo operations use Hamilton rather than YYZ to get around landing restrictions, curfews and for lower fees. More and more general aviation is avoiding YYZ simply because of slot availability and landing fees. That and the heavy widebody flights to Europe etc. I think influence the landings to passenger ratio. Slots during high frequency operations can be pretty tight. There are Caravans for cargo and for Georgian Air, plus the Beech Airliners, but not a lot of private aviation except for business jets.

In general landing cycles can be impacted greatly by flight schools operating there. Cessna's doing touch and go's can account for a lot of movements. There are no separation issues as well like with heavy aircraft.

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: heathrow
Posted 2010-04-06 16:38:44 and read 7528 times.

Quoting cayman (Reply 10):
Interesting that YVR handles what, approx 1/3 to 1/2 of YYZ pax numbers, but in terms of a/c movements it is over 80% of YYZ. Would that be because of high frequency isalnd hoppng flights among the coastal cities and islands?

Bingo! Not only that, but flights intra-BC. There's CMA, Pacific coastal, Hawkair, Harbour Air, West Coast Air, and I'm sure many more. This isn't even counting QK who have a large network out of YVR.

I'm surprised to see YEG so low on the list! I guess their "Stop the YYC habbit" scheme didn't work!

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: thenoflyzone
Posted 2010-04-06 18:53:44 and read 7335 times.

Quoting cayman (Reply 10):
I guess 400,000 annual a/c movements for YYZ is relatively low for an airport with around 31M annual pax?

Quite the contrary. In 2009, YYZ was the 20th busiest airport in the world in terms of aircraft movements, but was nowhere to be found in the top 30 airports in the world in terms of passengers. With 400,000 movements, it should be handling around 35-40million passengers.

As an example, MAD had 435,000 movements in 2009, similar to YYZ, but handled 48 million passengers, significantly more than YYZ.

Quoting heathrow (Reply 14):
I'm surprised to see YEG so low on the list! I guess their "Stop the YYC habbit" scheme didn't work!

YXD and CZVL steal all the VFR and GA traffic from YEG. If it was all consolidated at YEG, it would handle similar movements to YOW and probably even more.

Thenoflyzone

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: gr8circle
Posted 2010-04-06 19:57:07 and read 7217 times.

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 15):
Quite the contrary. In 2009, YYZ was the 20th busiest airport in the world in terms of aircraft movements, but was nowhere to be found in the top 30 airports in the world in terms of passengers. With 400,000 movements, it should be handling around 35-40million passengers.

YYZ would have a lot more traffic if they manage to woo back all the passengers who drive down to BUF......

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: kevin
Posted 2010-04-06 19:57:28 and read 7217 times.

Wow! YYC is doing really good. On the other hand YEG had such big ambitions which I should say did not materialize at all. The only major announcements worth noticing since the whole oilsands boom started were the ACs LHR flight and Aeromexico. YYC on the other hand got BA, LH, KL and coming this summer KE seasonal service plus Tokyo flight on AC. I mean it kind of makes sense since YEG's population mostly consists of oilsands workers and trades people who rarely venture outside of Canada apart from an occasional trip to Mexico, Cuba or Dominican. YYC on the other hand has the clientelle to support a long haul flight.

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: kevin
Posted 2010-04-06 20:34:16 and read 7125 times.

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 15):
YXD and CZVL steal all the VFR and GA traffic from YEG. If it was all consolidated at YEG, it would handle similar movements to YOW and probably even more.

What kind of VFR trafic does YXD handle? AFAIK, most of their traffic consists of business jets, oilsands charters and med evacs. 99% of pax from Edmonton use YEG.

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: threepoint
Posted 2010-04-06 22:09:50 and read 7045 times.

Quoting C172Akula (Reply 8):
Further proof that YYC needed the parallel 34/16 yesterday! At least it is finally going ahead now.

It really proves nothing of the sort. There are much busier single-runway airports elsewhere, and delays due to congestion in YYC are minimal. Even Boundary Bay, with comparable numbers, generally operates one runway at a time.

Building the parallel runway will only encourage Calgary's dubious distinction of being one of the worst per-capita GHG-emitting cities on the planet: http://www.680news.com/news/national...ties-for-greenhouse-gas-emissions.

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: kevin
Posted 2010-04-06 22:17:42 and read 7034 times.

Quoting threepoint (Reply 19):
There are much busier single-runway airports elsewhere, and delays due to congestion in YYC are minimal

Very true. YYC is not a busy airport at all. I think 7-9 am is as busy as it gets. other than that it's just normal traffic.

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: A346Dude
Posted 2010-04-07 01:21:20 and read 6884 times.

I gotta say, while interesting, aircraft movements is a really bad metric for comparing airports. Since there is no way to know precisely what the breakdown is between GA and scheduled airline flights, the numbers are pretty meaningless.

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: C172Akula
Posted 2010-04-07 07:24:47 and read 6694 times.

Quoting kevin (Reply 20):
It really proves nothing of the sort. There are much busier single-runway airports elsewhere, and delays due to congestion in YYC are minimal. Even Boundary Bay, with comparable numbers, generally operates one runway at a time.
Quoting A346Dude (Reply 21):
Very true. YYC is not a busy airport at all. I think 7-9 am is as busy as it gets. other than that it's just normal traffic.

Perhaps you two should talk with the controllers and pilots that fly into YYC on a regular basis. The controllers will tell you that the parallel was needed years ago, and that controllers brought over from places like FRA and HKG have all agreed that running intersecting runways with those levels of traffic are at their maximum. (2 of those controllers are still working YYC terminal up in the Edmonton ACC)

Flying back from YYJ two weeks ago in the middle of the afternoon (~2pm) we were already slowing down over the Rockies and ended up with a 45 minute airborne delay due to traffic and runways ops. A few months before that coming back in from DEN we were routed all over the northwest of the city for a good half hour extra prior to landing.

I won't even go into your complete and utter troll comment Threepoint. Stay classy...

[Edited 2010-04-07 07:27:19]

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: pnwtraveler
Posted 2010-04-07 07:36:53 and read 6657 times.

Aircraft movements are mostly significant when you are looking scheduling landings or ATC volume. Also missing is the nature of the aircraft involved. With little GA traffic YYZ uses three parallel runways during high frequency operations. When a strong wind restricts landings to the 33/15 dual parallels delays often occur.

Larger aircraft require more separation, spend more time on the runway as they need longer stopping distances. So more landings by GA aircraft, while slower in flight, spend less time on the runway and there is no need for wake separation.

The customer and people involved with terminal operations are more concerned with passenger bodies and processing issues.

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: thenoflyzone
Posted 2010-04-07 09:25:37 and read 6535 times.

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Quoting kevin (Reply 18):
What kind of VFR trafic does YXD handle? AFAIK, most of their traffic consists of business jets, oilsands charters and med evacs. 99% of pax from Edmonton use YEG.

CZVL handles VFRs. Not YXD. That is why i said YXD and CZVL, together, steal all the GA and VFR traffic from YEG.

Thenoflyzone

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: thenoflyzone
Posted 2010-04-07 09:30:28 and read 6570 times.

Quoting C172Akula (Reply 22):
Perhaps you two should talk with the controllers and pilots that fly into YYC on a regular basis. The controllers will tell you that the parallel was needed years ago, and that controllers brought over from places like FRA and HKG have all agreed that running intersecting runways with those levels of traffic are at their maximum. (2 of those controllers are still working YYC terminal up in the Edmonton ACC)

  


I see the traffic that YUL handles, and to know that YYC handles even more traffic without the benefit of parallel runways is frankly amazing. A very good friend of mine is a terminal controller at YYC, in Edmonton ACC. They needed that parallel runway yersterday !

Thenoflyzone

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2010-04-07 15:28:51 and read 6325 times.

Quoting kevin (Reply 17):
On the other hand YEG had such big ambitions which I should say did not materialize at all.

Over the past 10 years, annual passenger traffic at YEG has increased about 56%, vs 51% for YYC.

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: threepoint
Posted 2010-04-07 17:09:01 and read 6238 times.

Quoting C172Akula (Reply 22):

Perhaps you two should talk with the controllers and pilots that fly into YYC on a regular basis.

You are talking (typing) with one of the latter. Does five times a week over the past 15 years count as regular?

Quoting C172Akula (Reply 22):
Flying back from YYJ two weeks ago...A few months before that...

Your pair of anecdotes are not indicative of airport congestion. Perhaps you have a larger sample size than two?

Quoting C172Akula (Reply 22):
I won't even go into your complete and utter troll comment Threepoint. Stay classy...

I assume you mean my pointing out of the GHG report. Nothing troll-like about it, and it's relevant whether or not it makes you swell with prairie pride. Calgary is a poorly-designed city whose infrastructure has not kept pace with its growth. There are alternate means to solving congestion issues than building more runways, roads, whatever. Double the freeways and you promote the doubling of traffic. Same with runways. Now I wonder if there's any way, any way at all we could move the same number of people with fewer machines...

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: C172Akula
Posted 2010-04-07 17:24:58 and read 6217 times.

Quoting threepoint (Reply 27):
Same with runways. Now I wonder if there's any way, any way at all we could move the same number of people with fewer machines...

Don't think you'd like that, move more people with fewer machines mean less jobs for pilots like yourself?

Why do you ignore the fact that myself and another forumer have both mentioned speaking with ATC'ers that are in dire need of that parallel here? We are the 3 or 4 busiest airport in the country operating without the benefit or a parallel setup. Seems like a no brainer to me. Calgary is a business town, I'm sure airlines don't like wasting money in holds or waiting for slot times to depart. If that jeapordizes services for YYC we ultimately lose in our economy here.

My personal anecdotes were not meant to be taken as gospel, just two recent examples of myself personally experiencing the delays I hear many pilots talking about in regards to operating into or out of YYC.

Unfortunately YYC's infrastructure has kept pace with its growth, in the form of more and more roads sprawling endlessly outwards. At least now some of us are trying to change these years of horrible outward growth, and documents like the recently approved 'Plan It' will help guide the city to develop more responsibly over the next few decades. The city powers 100% of the LRT system (one of the most heavily used systems in North America) with wind power, and the provincial government has been toying with the idea of nuclear over the last few years. It's hard to bring those levels down when unfortunately the majority of our power is coal derived in Alberta right now.

I make no excuses, but seek to change the way most of us in YYC live as is right now. I live adjacent to downtown in a condo, have a roundtrip commute of 10km to work each day (with the option to use transit as well), cycle in the summer months, grow my own veggies, and recycle religiously. Not all of us in YYC are the big truck driving, rootin' tootin' pollutin' machines that so many seem to think we are.

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: YVRLTN
Posted 2010-04-07 20:28:58 and read 6082 times.

Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 12):
Quoting cayman (Reply 10):
Interesting that YVR handles what, approx 1/3 to 1/2 of YYZ. Would that be because of high frequency isalnd hoppng flights among the coastal cities and islands?
YVR also includes some float plane movement on the south side as well as general aviation.

There is quite a bit of GA at YVR compared to other major international airports, but I have noticed over the past 18 months the number of very small GA (C172's etc) has reduced quite a bit as well as bizjets (sans Olympics).

You have to also bear in mind the geography of BC and the mountains = lack of roads heading north, a border to the south and ocean to the west. This results in a lot of medevac flights with King Airs, Learjets & helicopters (Carson, Helijet & Alkan) and domestic freight flights with Metros & Navajos (Carson, Sunwest, Orca & CAC) and many regional flights with aircraft less than 37 seats, plus all the mentioned floatplane operations from the river (Harbour, Seair, WCA, Tofino & Saltspring) with nothing bigger than an occasional Twin Otter, mostly the Otter is the largest aircraft.

YVR is also a decent sized AC base, with lots of Jazz operations and a sizeable WS operation too, with lots of seasonal flights from both.

However, surprised not to see a greater change at YVR withe the departure of a few airlines, reductions from US majors and the general decrease in GA traffic.

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: brilondon
Posted 2010-04-08 01:45:42 and read 5946 times.

Quoting heathrow (Reply 14):
This isn't even counting QK who have a large network out of YVR.

I'm nor sure which airline you are talking about. QK is Air Nova, but is it also another airline's code?

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: ghYHZ
Posted 2010-04-08 03:20:13 and read 5921 times.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 30):
I'm nor sure which airline you are talking about. QK is Air Nova, but is it also another airline's code?
QK is Jazz…….originally the consolidation of the Air Canada “Regionals” under the Air Nova code including Air BC etc and still headquartered at the former Air Nova base at YHZ (Halifax Stanfield International Airport)

http://www.flyjazz.ca/en/home/aboutjazz/history.aspx

[Edited 2010-04-08 03:24:52]

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: A332
Posted 2010-04-08 14:07:30 and read 5701 times.

Quoting threepoint (Reply 19):
Building the parallel runway will only encourage Calgary's dubious distinction of being one of the worst per-capita GHG-emitting cities on the planet:

Who honestly gives a crap?
In the grand scheme of things, Calgary is a mere grain of sand on a beach. *yawn*

Quoting C172Akula (Reply 22):
I won't even go into your complete and utter troll comment Threepoint.

  
Thank you!

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: threepoint
Posted 2010-04-08 20:14:45 and read 5565 times.

Quoting C172Akula (Reply 28):
Don't think you'd like that, move more people with fewer machines mean less jobs for pilots like yourself?

Perhaps, but smart people tend to have many irons in the fire, and I believe it'd be selfish to adhere to the short-term, "what's in it for me" type of thinking.

Quoting C172Akula (Reply 28):
I live adjacent to downtown in a condo, have a roundtrip commute of 10km to work each day (with the option to use transit as well), cycle in the summer months, grow my own veggies, and recycle religiously. Not all of us in YYC are the big truck driving, rootin' tootin' pollutin' machines that so many seem to think we are.

I applaud your lifestyle; it's unfortunate that all able-bodied Calgarians don't follow your lead. I live in south-central BC, and at times it seems pretty much every Albertan that migrates seasonally over here is as you described. Giddy up.

Quoting A332 (Reply 32):
In the grand scheme of things, Calgary is a mere grain of sand on a beach.

Well, according to the aforementioned report, its one of the fifty most polluting grains isn't it? My opinion may not agree with your views Carey - seeing as your income is fed by continued property booms - but surely you can articulate why my reference to a per capita pollution study in a thread discussing total airport movements warrants your echoing of somebody stooping to name-calling.

Topic: RE: Canada's Top Airports By Aircraft Movements!
Username: C172Akula
Posted 2010-04-09 06:42:02 and read 5414 times.

Quoting threepoint (Reply 33):
Perhaps, but smart people tend to have many irons in the fire, and I believe it'd be selfish to adhere to the short-term, "what's in it for me" type of thinking.

I can understand that as well. I just get concerned when ATC says they really need that parallel, ultimately it is the safety of everyone in the sky and on the ground that comes into question. I also don't get the impression that the CAA is pushing this runway ahead as a "glamour" project to get attention. If that was the case they probably would have tried to do it in the early nineties.

Quoting threepoint (Reply 33):
I applaud your lifestyle; it's unfortunate that all able-bodied Calgarians don't follow your lead. I live in south-central BC, and at times it seems pretty much every Albertan that migrates seasonally over here is as you described. Giddy up.

Now that I understand, my family has had a cabin up at Panorama resort since 1988, the Columbia Valley has changed a lot with the influx of Calgarians and all their "toys" (speedboats, ATVs, skidoos, massive cabins, SUV's, etc etc).

As for my lifestyle I'm just glad I didn't get stuck in one of our elevators yesterday when the power kicked off due to the coldfront that rushed through YYC bringing rain, snow, and winds up to 100 km/h!


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