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Topic: Active Widebody Fleet Of UA/CO Vs DL Vs AA In 2010
Username: CV880
Posted 2010-04-24 12:58:51 and read 5835 times.

Looking at how the Widebody fleets of the Big Three compare in 2010.

UA 744/24 777/52 763/35............Total without CO 111.
CO 777/22* 764/16 762/10...........Total WB fleet 159. (* 20+2 sked deliveries 2010)

DL 744/16 777/18 333/21 332/11 763/69 764/21....Total WB fleet 156.

AA 777/47 763/58 762/15.............Total WB fleet 120.

Adding in the 757's of each carrier would give:

UA 757/96
CO 757/62 *includes 21 753's.............Total UA/CO including 757's total 317.

DL 757/185 *includes 16 753's...........Total 341.

AA 757/124 ....................................Total 244.

[Edited 2010-04-24 12:59:39]

Topic: Active Widebody Fleet Of UA/CO Vs DL Vs AA In 2010
Username: deltal1011man
Posted 2010-04-24 13:25:50 and read 5703 times.

Quoting CV880 (Thread starter):
DL 744/16 777/18 333/21 332/11 763/69 764/21....Total WB fleet 156.

You can go ahead and say at least 52 763ERs for Delta, as 52 is the long term plan
Also you may or may not want to count the 763As for Delta(14) and 4 of them are ETOPS

Topic: Active Widebody Fleet Of UA/CO Vs DL Vs AA In 2010
Username: bobnwa
Posted 2010-04-24 14:19:53 and read 5518 times.

Quoting CV880 (Thread starter):
CO 777/22* 764/16 762/10...........Total WB fleet 159. (* 20+2 sked deliveries 2010)

Don't understand your math for CO. How does that come out to be 159?

Topic: Active Widebody Fleet Of UA/CO Vs DL Vs AA In 2010
Username: worldtraveler
Posted 2010-04-24 15:05:44 and read 5386 times.

given that no aircraft is entirely used domestic or int'l, counting widebodies is appropriate even if they are used for int'l.... many of UA's 777s are not used for intercontinental services...

the same thing can be said for 757s. Since the 739 is about the size of the 757, you might as well count them... and since some 738s and M90s seat almost as large as some 739s, you might as well count them...

there is no clear division beyond model and widebody/narrowbody.

Topic: Active Widebody Fleet Of UA/CO Vs DL Vs AA In 2010
Username: CV880
Posted 2010-04-24 15:22:00 and read 5348 times.

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 2):
Don't understand your math for CO. How does that come out to be 159?

UA+CO

Quoting worldtraveler (Reply 3):
given that no aircraft is entirely used domestic or int'l, counting widebodies is appropriate even if they are used for int'l.... many of UA's 777s are not used for intercontinental services...

the same thing can be said for 757s. Since the 739 is about the size of the 757, you might as well count them... and since some 738s and M90s seat almost as large as some 739s, you might as well count them...

there is no clear division beyond model and widebody/narrowbody.

Some UA 777's are domestic, and some CO/DL/AA 757's are international. The 737's aren't used overseas except Hawaii, so why include them?

Still an indicator of overseas capability of the fleet of each carrier.

Topic: Active Widebody Fleet Of UA/CO Vs DL Vs AA In 2010
Username: mayor
Posted 2010-04-24 15:35:23 and read 5272 times.

Quoting CV880 (Reply 4):
Still an indicator of overseas capability of the fleet of each carrier.

Yes, but you didn't specify "overseas capability", just the number of widebodies in each airline's fleet.  

Topic: Active Widebody Fleet Of UA/CO Vs DL Vs AA In 2010
Username: DTWLAX
Posted 2010-04-24 20:06:33 and read 4949 times.

Quoting CV880 (Thread starter):
UA 744/24 777/52 763/35............Total without CO 111.
CO 777/22* 764/16 762/10...........Total WB fleet 159. (* 20+2 sked deliveries 2010)
Quoting CV880 (Reply 4):
UA+CO

For everybody's sake.... UA & CO have not merged!!!!!
Treat them as 2 separate entities!!!
Some people have already merged the 2 airlines here on anet.

Quoting CV880 (Thread starter):
Adding in the 757's of each carrier would give:

If your thread topic says 'Widebody Fleets', why in the world are you including 757s?

Topic: Active Widebody Fleet Of UA/CO Vs DL Vs AA In 2010
Username: worldtraveler
Posted 2010-04-25 11:12:51 and read 4647 times.

Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 6):
For everybody's sake.... UA & CO have not merged!!!!!
Treat them as 2 separate entities!!!
Some people have already merged the 2 airlines here on anet.

correct.. and even if the merger is announced, it will take the better part of a year for something to be announced... and not only will UA and CO tweak their operating plans during that time period, but so will competitors....

the bottom line, even presented here, is that the combined UA/CO with the existing fleet will not be significantly at an advantage in terms of fleet.

Topic: Active Widebody Fleet Of UA/CO Vs DL Vs AA In 2010
Username: bobnwa
Posted 2010-04-25 11:49:42 and read 4549 times.

Quoting worldtraveler (Reply 7):
correct.. and even if the merger is announced, it will take the better part of a year for something to be announced...

It will either be announced shortly or not at all. I think not at all. Why on earth would it take a year to announce it. Are you sure you are not confusing "announced" with "approved"?

Topic: Active Widebody Fleet Of UA/CO Vs DL Vs AA In 2010
Username: CV880
Posted 2010-04-25 12:59:05 and read 4459 times.

Quoting worldtraveler (Reply 7):
the bottom line, even presented here, is that the combined UA/CO with the existing fleet will not be significantly at an advantage in terms of fleet.

Precisely my point (although I did not state it)...
 


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