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Topic: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: Airport
Posted 2010-04-21 21:59:14 and read 14226 times.

Hello all,

I would continue to post in the PDX-HNL thread, but as that's got over 102 replies and this is a subject enough on its own, I figured I'd start a new thread.

According to here and on facebook,
http://www.facebook.com/#!/horizonair?ref=ts

Tomorrow AS/QX is set to make a big announcement. I'm thinking it's going to mainly be new additions to the route network. Here are some new routes you can find bookable in December on www.alaskaair.com that I'm thinking will be announced tomorrow: (Thanks to member ASFlyer for pointing this out)

SAN-OGG
PDX-KOA

Also, AS recently applied for:

SAN-PVR
How long is the application process, typically? Is it too early to make that announcement tomorrow? (Thanks to MAH4546 for pointing this out, by the way)

Anyway, we shall see what tomorrow brings...

Cheers!
Anthony/Airport

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2010-04-21 22:03:14 and read 14189 times.

Is AS going to get 737-900ER's? :-P

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: Airport
Posted 2010-04-21 22:19:15 and read 14078 times.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 1):
Is AS going to get 737-900ER's?

I'd love to see it, but unfortunately I do not think it'll happen. Not that I can remember why, but people that I trust to know what they're talking about gave well researched answers as to why AS will probably never have a 737-900ER. I'll go by that.  

Well, I've ruled out a lot of possibilities. There's nothing bookable, but there are some quirks I found...

When searching for schedules, ITO shows up as an airport code in the pulldown menu, but when you search for flights, it says neither AS nor any of its partners serve ITO. However, if you do this with other arbitrary destinations that neither AS or partners serve, nothing will show up in the pulldown menu.

Could AS announce SEA-ITO tomorrow? I'm thinking no, but I do think ITO could very well be a future destination for AS. I also have a feeling this big announcement could very well include more Portland service. On the facebook page, Horizon Air is touting as not only an Alaska announcement but also a Horizon announcement as well. Could be something, could be nothing, but interesting to ponder...

Cheers!
Anthony/Airport

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2010-04-21 22:28:13 and read 14011 times.

True. Any AS news up here in the PNW is big news. I was actually hoping AS/QX would announce a new destination or two as well as connecting the dots.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: SuperDash
Posted 2010-04-21 22:31:59 and read 13989 times.

Rumor has it that they will post a Q1 profit. That will be the first time for AAG in a bazillion years. That alone is a huge announcement.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: rgreenftm
Posted 2010-04-21 22:39:37 and read 13907 times.

So this is all assuming everything we see is correct:

PDX-KOA: If you look on AS.com, its not a daily flight...It appears to be every other day, Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat service.

SAN-OGG does appear to be daily.

If its anything like they did with OAK/SJC, it might be sharing that service with another city, but haven't located it yet...I'm not sure of the exact range, but would a 738 allow them to fly from either LAS or PHX? Not even sure if there is a demand there, but the thought has crossed my mind.

[Edited 2010-04-21 22:41:58]

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: SuperDash
Posted 2010-04-21 22:48:07 and read 13832 times.

2nd KOA-SEA is also showing on the opposite days of Portland

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: Airport
Posted 2010-04-21 23:37:17 and read 13611 times.

Here's what we got so far...

SAN-OGG - NEW 1x daily
PDX-KOA - NEW 4x weekly
SEA-KOA - New 3x weekly flight on top of the 1x daily

If checking out bookings on alaskaair.com is of any indicator, then we can rule out the following destinations...
BDL, STL, DTW, TPA, MSY, CLT, RDU, SAT, MCI, OMA, BNA, MEM, IND, CVG, CMH, OKC, TUL, ITO.

As well as any new PDX-East Coast. I also check pretty much all realisticly possible Hawaii routes and it doesn't look like there'll be anything else other than the above.

I'm actually hoping that somewhere in the announcement will be that QX is keeping the CRJ-700s, as they've had a lot of trouble finding buyers (though I think a South African airline recently picked up one of them). Who knows?

Cheers!
Anthony/Airport

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: Airport
Posted 2010-04-21 23:53:43 and read 13564 times.

Wow! This was a chance find!

SJC-LAX - NEW 4x daily QX Q400s

Also looks like

PDX-LAS - 3>4
PDX-PHX - 2>3

I'll keep looking...

Cheers!
Anthony/Airport

[Edited 2010-04-22 00:04:27]

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: DeltaMD90
Posted 2010-04-22 00:02:57 and read 13522 times.

AS to merge with DL or AA?   

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: smoot4208
Posted 2010-04-22 00:12:08 and read 13497 times.

Quoting Airport (Reply 8):
SJC-LAX - NEW 4x daily QX Q400s

Interesting move. Especially with the Q400s. I wonder if this is really for positioning airplanes? I would've thought they would've put the CR7 on the route if they are trying to get some connecting feed at LAX

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: UA2162
Posted 2010-04-22 00:19:32 and read 13450 times.

It looks like KOA is the big winner here! Yet another route added by AS. They have really filled the shoes of AQ quite nicely.

Here is what I know wonder: will UA keep the contract service agreement or could we eventually see KOA, HNL, LIH and OGG become AS stations? Word on the street is that they are not happy with UA (at least in KOA).

I don't think ITO would be a good fit for AS, perhaps they should leave Hilo up to G4. This seems more their type of market.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: UA2162
Posted 2010-04-22 00:26:28 and read 13395 times.

Interesting side note I just found...

Alaska Airlines 884

Kailua/Kona (KOA) 10:00 am Sat, Jan 8 Portland, OR (PDX) 5:35 pm Sat, Jan 8

Alaska Airlines 885

Portland, OR (PDX) 5:10 pm Sat, Jan 15 Kailua/Kona (KOA) 9:00 pm Sat, Jan 15

Notice how the PDX flight arrives in KOA at 9:00PM. Is the aircraft going to overnight in KOA or is there another flight to a different city they are going to offer?

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: rwSEA
Posted 2010-04-22 00:44:29 and read 13311 times.

Quoting UA2162 (Reply 12):
Notice how the PDX flight arrives in KOA at 9:00PM. Is the aircraft going to overnight in KOA or is there another flight to a different city they are going to offer?

Maybe it will be a red-eye return. Flights leaving Hawaii around 11pm arrive back in PDX/SEA around 6am. Perfect for aircraft utilization and connections.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: EA CO AS
Posted 2010-04-22 01:58:50 and read 13115 times.

Quoting UA2162 (Reply 11):
Here is what I know wonder: will UA keep the contract service agreement or could we eventually see KOA, HNL, LIH and OGG become AS stations?

Right now, the only AS personnel (aside from mechanics) in Hawaii are a Manager and a Supervisor overseeing the vendors who ground handle AS flights there.

AS is looking at possibly putting their own CSAs in OGG at some point, but only after waiting to see how the newly-expanded service proves itself - there's no desire to see people move to Hawaii only to be uprooted a few months or a year later if the new service doesn't pan out as forecasted.

In addition, AS has put the vendors on notice that they're researching bringing in-house personnel to Hawaii and as such, they'll need to be cost-competitive with AS' own employees if they expect to keep the business.

Bottom line - OGG may eventually get AS personnel, but I'd guess we're looking at 12-18 months down the road, at the earliest.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: chrisair
Posted 2010-04-22 02:51:15 and read 12972 times.

If this is all true, I'm heading to the black sand beaches in Kona. 
Quoting UA2162 (Reply 12):
Notice how the PDX flight arrives in KOA at 9:00PM. Is the aircraft going to overnight in KOA or is there another flight to a different city they are going to offer?

Looks like it's routed PDX-KOA-SEA-KOA-PDX. No redeyes. Probably better for crew utilization as one crew could fly PDX-KOA-SEA with an overnight in KOA.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 14):
Right now, the only AS personnel (aside from mechanics) in Hawaii are a Manager and a Supervisor overseeing the vendors who ground handle AS flights there.

That's a sweet gig for those folks. Out of curiosity, is AS going to stop round trip catering the flights out of SEA? It's my understanding that everything except the morning HNL-SEA flights are catered in SEA.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: Tomassjc
Posted 2010-04-22 05:13:33 and read 12629 times.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 9):
AS to merge with DL or AA?

Yup. that horse has already been beaten to death....

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: RayChuang
Posted 2010-04-22 05:26:24 and read 12551 times.

I'm not surprised that QX will fly the Dash 8-Q400 on the SJC-LAX route. Given the low seat-mile cost of the Q400 on shorter flights, it would be price-competitive against WN's 737-700's on the same route.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: surfandsnow
Posted 2010-04-22 05:34:44 and read 12498 times.

Quoting Airport (Thread starter):

SAN-OGG

Excellent! SAN will finally once again have a reliable link to someplace in Hawaii other than SAN. If this does well (and I certainly think it will), I would expect to see SAN-KOA service in due time. Such a service could be flown less than daily, alternating with SMF-KOA or SAN-LIH.

Quoting Airport (Thread starter):
PDX-KOA

Wonderful news. Always great to see the PDX hub get more flights. I wonder if PDX-LIH could be on the horizon?

Quoting Airport (Thread starter):
Also, AS recently applied for:

SAN-PVR
How long is the application process, typically? Is it too early to make that announcement tomorrow? (Thanks to MAH4546 for pointing this out, by the way)

Most U.S. airlines announce new int'l routes right when they apply for the respective authority, sometimes even when its not a guarantee they will get it. Since there are at least two SAN-PVR authorities available to U.S. carriers (probably 3, as is typically the case for Mexico's beach markets) AS is virtually guaranteed to get approval for the route. The only other U.S. airline I could think of that would have any interest in flying the route would be F9, but they have far greater priorities at the moment.

Quoting Airport (Reply 2):
Could AS announce SEA-ITO tomorrow? I'm thinking no, but I do think ITO could very well be a future destination for AS.

I can't see any reason for AS to serve ITO. Like all other carriers, they are going after the huge leisure market from the mainland to the islands. Though ITO is fairly close to some of the popular volcanic parks, virtually all of the Big Island's major resorts are over by KOA, as that is the dry side of the island. Since almost all tourists fly into there, ITO is left to serve a small VFR market. According to wikipedia, over half of all Hawaiians living on the mainland are in California. I know many of the others are in Nevada. It would not be practical for AS to serve ITO from SEA, since most of the folks bound for ITO would be better off connecting through HNL than up in SEA. I highly doubt AS would be interested in serving a Hawaiian station only from California, but I guess anything is possible - a SEA-OAK-ITO flight could actually do pretty well. ATA was able to fill a 738 from OAK to ITO, why not AS?

Quoting rgreenftm (Reply 5):
would a 738 allow them to fly from either LAS or PHX? Not even sure if there is a demand there, but the thought has crossed my mind.

Of course there is demand from LAS and PHX to Hawaii. Since so many Hawaiians have moved to Las Vegas (I haven't a clue as to why so many leave paradise for the desert) the Hawaii-LAS market is actually mostly VFR. AS would never try LAS-HNL, HA absolutely dominates the route. There is very little demand from LAS to any of the outer islands - HP failed to make LAS-OGG work even with its big local FF base and when the hub was at its peak. PHX already enjoys plentiful service to Hawaii - HNL is served by US and HA, while OGG, KOA, and even LIH are also served by US. Remember, AS is going after markets that are underserved (in most cases, the ones that lost service when AQ and TZ went bust), not ones that are competitive and already well served. There's a reason AS isn't flying to Hawaii from its big focus city at LAX  . Oh, and all this irrelevant, because I don't think any 737 could reach Hawaii from LAS or PHX anyway. There had to be a reason why AQ always stopped en route from LAS and PHX to Hawaii.

Quoting Airport (Reply 7):
then we can rule out the following destinations...
BDL, STL, DTW, TPA, MSY, CLT, RDU, SAT, MCI, OMA, BNA, MEM, IND, CVG, CMH, OKC, TUL, ITO.

As well as any new PDX-East Coast.

Too bad, I bet Portlanders would love for AS to bring back EWR and especially MCO. Maybe AS could do well linking PDX with closer cities, like TUS, MSP, DFW, or IAH?

As for your long list, I don't think AS will be flying to any of those markets anytime soon, with the possible exceptions of STL (if AA drops the SEA-STL route), DTW, PHL, MSY, and *maybe* ITO as mentioned above (SEA-OAK-ITO). AS would never be able to fill planes from small markets like BDL, RDU, CMH, OMA, and TUL to SEA - these cities barely support flights to LAX, let alone a smaller West Coast city.

Quoting Airport (Reply 8):
SJC-LAX - NEW 4x daily QX Q400s

Interesting. I wonder if American Eagle plans to drop the route.

Quoting Airport (Reply 8):
Also looks like

PDX-LAS - 3>4
PDX-PHX - 2>3

Wow, PDX is sure getting a lot of love these days!

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 10):
Interesting move. Especially with the Q400s. I wonder if this is really for positioning airplanes? I would've thought they would've put the CR7 on the route if they are trying to get some connecting feed at LAX

Actually, the Q400s offer higher capacity and nicer interiors than the CR7s do. My recent SEA-YVR was "downgraded" from a Q400 to a CR7. Not often you hear of a prop being more prestigious than an RJ, but when it comes to Horizon, such is the case. I think these flights have more to do with SJC's emergence as a prominent focus city for AS/QX than getting feed at LAX. Certainly not positioning flights - 4x daily service will be attractive to business pax on the segment. I wonder if we could see UAX throw in the towel as they did on the LAX-OAK route. American Eagle could also be dropping the route in lieu of a codeshare.


Quoting UA2162 (Reply 11):
It looks like KOA is the big winner here! Yet another route added by AS. They have really filled the shoes of AQ quite nicely.

I'd say PDX is the one that made out like a fat rat - more flights to Vegas, Arizona, AND Hawaii. What more could you want?   SAN also did very well, with 2 new destinations (quite a big jump from the grand total of 3 AS serves now). KOA will really be the big winner when it gets flights to SAN and SMF. Provided fuel prices don't jump through the roof, I think it's a matter of if, not when  .

Quoting UA2162 (Reply 11):
I don't think ITO would be a good fit for AS, perhaps they should leave Hilo up to G4. This seems more their type of market.

Agreed. AS is a full service carrier - the rather well off tourists heading to HNL, OGG, KOA, and LIH do care about the food and entertainment options. ITO is a VFR market - folks headed there just want low fares. Cheap no-frills service is just fine. I would think G4 could serve ITO from OAK as well as LAX (or LGB) and do much better than AS would under any circumstances.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: Jetmatt777
Posted 2010-04-22 05:52:51 and read 12397 times.

I wouldn't rule OKC out just yet. We have an advantage over other cities in the fact that a lot of major AS maintenance is done here, not to mention a strong O&D market with no nonstop options available. We already have weekly flights on AS for MX alone.

We'll see.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: ERJ170
Posted 2010-04-22 05:55:05 and read 12389 times.

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 18):
AS would never be able to fill planes from small markets like BDL, RDU, CMH, OMA, and TUL to SEA - these cities barely support flights to LAX, let alone a smaller West Coast city.

I believe a 73G on the route would probably be stellar for AS on any of these routes. Much larger and I agree, it may not be feasible.. but I think it would work. SEA brings in lots of traffic and the connection opportunities would more than likely make the flights, at a minimimum, break even if not even profitable (especially considering none are currently served non-stop and none have actually been tried).

Just my thoughts

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: surfandsnow
Posted 2010-04-22 06:07:56 and read 12305 times.

Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 19):
I wouldn't rule OKC out just yet. We have an advantage over other cities in the fact that a lot of major AS maintenance is done here, not to mention a strong O&D market with no nonstop options available. We already have weekly flights on AS for MX alone.

We'll see.

You stole their basketball team. Surely the folks in Seattle are a bit apprehensive of going to your city these days  

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: hatbutton
Posted 2010-04-22 06:37:13 and read 12221 times.

Here's a summary of new service:

Summary of new San Diego-Maui service:
Date City pair Departure Arrival Frequency
Oct 1 San Diego-Maui 9:20 a.m. 12:10 p.m. Daily
Oct 1 Maui-San Diego 1:10 p.m. 9:35 p.m. Daily

Summary of new San Diego-Puerto Vallarta service*:

Date City pair Departure Arrival Frequency
Nov 12-Apr 11 San Diego-Puerto Vallarta 10:15 a.m. 2:55 p.m. Daily*
Nov 12-Apr 11 Puerto Vallarta-San Diego 3:40 p.m. 4:35 p.m. Daily*
*Subject to government approval.


Summary of new Portland-Hawaii service:
Date City pair Departure Arrival Frequency
Sept 20 Portland-Honolulu 7:25 a.m. 10:25 a.m. Daily
Sept 20 Honolulu-Portland 11:25 a.m. 8:10 p.m. Daily
Nov 12-Apr 9 Portland-Kona 5:10 p.m. 8 p.m. Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat
Nov 12-Apr 9 Kona-Portland 9 a.m. 5:35 p.m. Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat

Summary of new Seattle-Kona service*:
Date City pair Departure Arrival Frequency
Nov 11-Apr 7 Seattle-Kona 5:10 p.m. 8:09 p.m. Tues, Thur, Sun
Nov 14-Apr 10 Kona-Seattle 9 a.m. 5:45 p.m. Tues, Thur, Sun
*In addition to current daily Seattle-Kona service.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2010-04-22 07:14:39 and read 12041 times.

Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 19):
I wouldn't rule OKC out just yet. We have an advantage over other cities in the fact that a lot of major AS maintenance is done here, not to mention a strong O&D market with no nonstop options available. We already have weekly flights on AS for MX alone.

I think there's a better chance of AS flying to either MCI or STL than OKC. Other than contracting out their major maintenance and Tinker AFB, there's not a whole lot of business between SEA and OKC.

There's already two competing airlines on the SEA-MCI route. AS will only open STL if AA leaves the market.

I'm still looking out for a new city announcement from AS...somewhere in the midwest or east.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: SANFan
Posted 2010-04-22 07:22:05 and read 11977 times.

I guess I didn't get up early enough today! Wonderful news on several fronts here.

From a SAN perspective, I, and many others , are thrilled with the news of daily, permanent OGG service starting Oct 1, and daily PVR service starting the following month! I've been posting about these 2 routes for a few days now so there isn't too much left to say except thank you, Alaska Airlines! I know you will be pleased with the success of both of these routes! (I would not be at all surprised to see expansion from SAN in both the Hawaii and Mexico markets in the not-too-distant future.)

PDX, KOA and SJC also see new routes and service this time around. It's great to see a west coast carrier adding flights in these uncertain times of a still-lagging economy and rising fuel costs!

Happy in San Diego,
bb

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: atrude777
Posted 2010-04-22 07:24:32 and read 12238 times.

This seems to be the link from Alaska Airlines summarizing all the news today.

http://www.alaskasworld.com/Newsroom...s/ASstories/AS_20100422_045145.asp

Alex

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2010-04-22 07:45:36 and read 12076 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 24):
I guess I didn't get up early enough today! Wonderful news on several fronts here.

That's what you get for staying up late!!! Maybe AS will have better utilization on their 3 or 4 gates at SAN. Now if you can convince AS/QX to extend one of their SEA-FAT flights to SAN.

Hopefully, AAG will continue to adapt to rising fuel prices and not lose their face financially for a while.

I heard in another thread that AS is converting all of their existing 737-800's to ETOPS, which will definitely open some additional opportunities and make the fleet that much more flexible. I think it's a good investment on their part.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: SANFan
Posted 2010-04-22 08:33:24 and read 11995 times.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 26):
That's what you get for staying up late!!! Maybe AS will have better utilization on their 3 or 4 gates at SAN. Now if you can convince AS/QX to extend one of their SEA-FAT flights to SAN.

Good morning D -- and it IS a good morning! Yes, those 3 gates in SAN (16-17-18) will be better utilized starting later this year for sure! (And filled with good, exciting stuff to new places.)

I also agree that QX really should have lots of possibilities here and I sure hope we see them back again soon. Their last service at Lindbergh was BOI/GEG and that ended in 2008. FAT-SAN would be a guaranteed winner and there are many other possibilities that should work within the Horizon route structure and fleet. (My mind is racing with the idea of Mexico service and SAN from a QX perspective -- both north and south of the border. I'm anxious to see if the Group jumps on anything.)

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 26):
I heard in another thread that AS is converting all of their existing 737-800's to ETOPS, which will definitely open some additional opportunities and make the fleet that much more flexible. I think it's a good investment on their part

With what AS is doing these days with Hawaii alone, absolutely! That would be a very worthwhile investment. If I remember correctly, someone reported that about 2/3 of the 738s are already there so the timing would be perfect to get the rest of them converted as well.

BTW, despite all the route-talk, I wanted to congratulate AS on their first quarter profit announcement too! A profit for 1Q2010 seems to be a rare thing so far these days so it's terrific to see AS able to report one.

bb

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: mikesairways
Posted 2010-04-22 08:42:59 and read 11891 times.

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 18):
Quoting Airport (Reply 8):
SJC-LAX - NEW 4x daily QX Q400s

Interesting. I wonder if American Eagle plans to drop the route.

I'm thinking the same thing that this would be the nail in the coffin for Eagle. It seems AA/Eagle are always looking for an excuse to drop service at SJC.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: mah4546
Posted 2010-04-22 08:55:21 and read 11823 times.

Quoting mikesairways (Reply 28):
Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 18):
Quoting Airport (Reply 8):
SJC-LAX - NEW 4x daily QX Q400s

Interesting. I wonder if American Eagle plans to drop the route.

I'm thinking the same thing that this would be the nail in the coffin for Eagle. It seems AA/Eagle are always looking for an excuse to drop service at SJC.

I would not be too sure.

AS and AA codeshare on this route. AS has an idea of how much revenue/traffic it can generate on its own on this route, and probably saw an opportunity, just like AA saw an opportunity to launch LAX-RNO this June in competition with AS/QX.

LAX-SJC survives based on AA's strength in Los Angeles; not in San Jose.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: deltal1011man
Posted 2010-04-22 09:07:22 and read 11778 times.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 29):
LAX-SJC survives based on AA's strength in Los Angeles; not in San Jose.

        
I would say if anything all it will mean is DL pulling its code from MQ/AA LAX-SJC and putting it on QX LAX-SJC now.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: EA CO AS
Posted 2010-04-22 09:18:40 and read 11677 times.

Earnings call notes:

- Best first quarter since 1999
- Record first quarter load factor
- 26 new markets in the past 24 months
- Expect $20MM/annual benefit from new bag fee changes
- Fuel hedge program ongoing using caps exclusively; continue to hold at 50% or so
- Adjusted net profit of $13.1MM in 1Q10
- 12 month ROIC of 6%
- $27MM increase in economic fuel costs; fuel hedges for 2010 equal 50% at $75.00/bbl
- Just under $1.2BN in cash and marketable securities on hand, just under 34% of revenue
- Reducing cash-on-hand by paying cash for 4 new B-737-800 aircraft; repaying some long-term debt
- Committed to strong balance sheet, strong liquidity but reducing cash to about 25-28% of revenue to lower costs
- Down 2 aircraft (net) after purchases and lease returns this year, but up 1 net aircraft at the end of next year
- PRASM up over 3%. Unit revenues increased 6% vs. average decrease of 3% across the industry.
- Focus on reducing seasonality of results.
- April, May, June advance bookings up 3%
- Improved revenues in the First Class cabin
- PDXKOA makes 3 Hawaii destinations served from PDX
- SANOGG makes 4th CA city with Hawaii service from one of the best-performing non-hub cities
- Mainline ASM growth for 2010 should be between 4-5%, total departures only up 1% YOY.
- CASM ex fuel 8.4 cents. Forecasting full year 7.9-8.0 cents per mile.
- Management positions down 10%

Questions from analysts:

"How do you feel about potentially engaging in M&A or asset purchase activity?"

- We believe the path we're on, remaining independent with organic growth, is the best plan for our shareholders.

"Would you ever consider a bigger aircraft to take you to non-North American destinations?"

- We really like the single fleet type in the 737, it does all our missions really well and we've realized savings from having the single fleet.

"Have you been targeting price increases in markets where you fly head-to-head with Southwest?"

- We've been seeing capacity decreases from all carriers in those markets - Bay Area, SoCal, Arizona - and that capacity constraint has resulted in nice revenue gains.

"How do you view your codeshare partnerships, specifically with DL and AA?"

- We obviously don't make public some of the agreemens we have with our partners, but obviously we're expanding our network and substantially increasing our beyond-the-hub markets over DL and AA through ORD, ATL, MSP and DFW. And DL launching new overseas markets from SEA."

"How much does Hawaii and Alaska flying equal, and are they monopoly markets?"

- Hawaii will represent 15-16% of ASMs, AK represents 21-23% of ASMs, and our AK ASM total isn't monopolistic - it just represents what our overall ASMs are to serve those markets, and in fact, we're seeing a lot more competition from other carriers.

"Can you talk about CASM guidance?"

- CASM guidance does include forecasted incentive pay (PBP) payout and includes best estimate of where we'll be for the year.

"Can you tell us what you see with this Hawaii service increase?"

- We've been very happy with HI demand; lots of reductions in larger-gauge aircraft to/from HI and we feel very comfortable in our HI growth. We've got the lowest fares to the state of Hawaii from the West Coast, and the 737-800 in particular performs well on a CASM basis in these markets.

"What happened to your targeted CASM ex fuel of 7.25 cents over the past few years?"

- We're striving to be south of where we are right now and continue to work cost-reduction measures to remain competitive but won't necessarily anchor ourselves to the 7.25 cent target.

"Can you elaborate on how focusing more on close-in demand is looking?"

- Our goal is to very aggressively manage our inventory and we continue to see good yield growth through this strategy. We're seeing strength in the closer-in bookings, particularly in the trans-con and mid-con markets.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: FATFlyer
Posted 2010-04-22 09:49:08 and read 11466 times.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 26):
Now if you can convince AS/QX to extend one of their SEA-FAT flights to SAN.

Second (or am I third now???) that suggestion.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: SANFan
Posted 2010-04-22 10:06:34 and read 11397 times.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 31):
SANOGG makes 4th CA city with Hawaii service from one of the best-performing non-hub cities

Assuming the reference is to SAN, this day just keeps getting better and better!  
Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 32):
Second (or am I third now???) that suggestion.

AFAIC, that makes it now unanimous; all we need is the AAG to go along with us, and the way things are going lately, who knows...   

bb

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: chrisair
Posted 2010-04-22 11:21:16 and read 11189 times.

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 18):
Maybe AS could do well linking PDX with closer cities, like TUS, MSP, DFW, or IAH?

TUS would be a godsend. I fly TUS-PDX every 2-3 weeks since I'm based in Oregon. Unfortunately, when QX flew that route, there were no more than 10 people on that plane at any given time. I just want to see one more TUS-SEA flight!

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 18):
I'd say PDX is the one that made out like a fat rat - more flights to Vegas, Arizona, AND Hawaii. What more could you want?

The LAS and PHX additions are likely restorations of seasonal cuts...unless there's more than 3x daily flights PDX-PHX.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: SANFan
Posted 2010-04-22 12:28:27 and read 10330 times.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 34):
TUS would be a godsend. I fly TUS-PDX every 2-3 weeks since I'm based in Oregon. Unfortunately, when QX flew that route, there were no more than 10 people on that plane at any given time

I think I remember a time when AS flew SJC-TUS, with, I'm sure, thru-plane service from SEA/PDX on those flights. If AS can't quite see the numbers for n/s PDX-TUS, maybe they could do like AUS and run a flight or 2 a day PDX-SJC-TUS (or via OAK or SFO instead) and add another market to the mix.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 34):
The LAS and PHX additions are likely restorations of seasonal cuts...unless there's more than 3x daily flights PDX-PHX

I think you're right about that. I know SAN-PDX in the past has been 4x daily (sometimes a mix of mainline and QX) but I think it was last year, it dropped to 3x mainline flights and that's where it remains this year. There were certainly lots of reductions on the PDX routes but it is good to see some frequencies increasing again. When we get our 4th flight back, I will feel great!

bb

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: Jetmatt777
Posted 2010-04-22 13:12:28 and read 9744 times.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 23):
I think there's a better chance of AS flying to either MCI or STL than OKC. Other than contracting out their major maintenance and Tinker AFB, there's not a whole lot of business between SEA and OKC.

I never said we had the best chance. Over cities like OMA and TUL, we have the advantage due to having the MX. Comparing OKC to cities the size of STL or MCI is ridiculous. Just like TUL had the advantage of gaining MIA service from AA, it was based on MX not passengers.

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 21):
You stole their basketball team. Surely the folks in Seattle are a bit apprehensive of going to your city these days

We stole nothing. A smart business person does not base his decisions on where to travel for meetings based on sports. Oklahoma City has the team, turned it around, and is behind the team 100%. Seattle can't say the same.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: USAirALB
Posted 2010-04-22 13:30:02 and read 9550 times.

I'd like them to add CLT or BDL.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: chrisair
Posted 2010-04-22 13:36:42 and read 9499 times.

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 21):
You stole their basketball team.

Actually, Seattle lost the team, more than OKC "stole" it. The city's unwillingness to support the NBA sent the team to OKC. Typical Pacific NW politics...

Quoting SANFan (Reply 35):
I think I remember a time when AS flew SJC-TUS, with, I'm sure, thru-plane service from SEA/PDX on those flights. If AS can't quite see the numbers for n/s PDX-TUS, maybe they could do like AUS and run a flight or 2 a day PDX-SJC-TUS (or via OAK or SFO instead) and add another market to the mix.

It was actually routed differently, if I recall. I believe the plane flew SEA-TUS-SJC-TUS-SEA. AS dropped the TUS-SJC leg and sent it to QX, who flew it and actually made it a 2x day service. Eventually they routed planes PDX-SFO/SJC-TUS.

I'd love to see AS add service to PDX here, but honestly, I don't see that happening.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: Airport
Posted 2010-04-22 13:56:01 and read 9265 times.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 38):
It was actually routed differently, if I recall. I believe the plane flew SEA-TUS-SJC-TUS-SEA. AS dropped the TUS-SJC leg and sent it to QX, who flew it and actually made it a 2x day service. Eventually they routed planes PDX-SFO/SJC-TUS.

My Dad flew the SJC-TUS leg all the time and he always commented on how it seemed totally full all the time. I wonder if it was an issue of yields or aircraft utilization rather than load factors that was the reason it was cut.

Here's another interesting tidbit...

Alaska Airlines And Horizon Air Announce Service Fee Changes

http://www.alaskasworld.com/newsroom...s/asstories/AS_20100422_045647.asp

4/22/2010 5:00 a.m.

Seattle - Alaska Airlines and Horizon Air today announced changes to their service fees, effective for travel on or after June 16 for tickets purchased beginning May 1.

Checked bags and baggage service guarantee

Alaska and Horizon will charge $20 for each of a passenger's first three checked bags. This represents a $5 increase for the first checked bag, a $5 decrease for the second, and a $30 decrease for the third. Passengers checking two bags will continue to pay the same amount as they do today, while passengers checking three bags will pay $30 less. In addition, the airlines will cut the cost of the fourth through 10th checked bag, from $100 per bag to $50.

Cheers!
Anthony/Airport

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: Tomassjc
Posted 2010-04-22 16:04:26 and read 8011 times.

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 18):
. Certainly not positioning flights - 4x daily service will be attractive to business pax on the segment.

Flights will be timed ex SJC to connect w/ International departures from LAX. That's what QX is betting on and let's hope it's not a longshot!

The early morning departure will feed AS LAX-Mexico. Mid morning flight will connect to mid day Asia deaprtures Mid afternoon run for European connections, and the early evening flight is aimed to feed Australia/New Zealand, late night Asia and AS LAX-GDL. .

We shall see...

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: laca773
Posted 2010-04-22 19:34:12 and read 6581 times.

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 40):

Flights will be timed ex SJC to connect w/ International departures from LAX. That's what QX is betting on and let's hope it's not a longshot!

I think this is very judicious of AS/QX to do from SJC-LAX. When they attempted to serve SJC-SJD for a period of time, the service did not take off well. For now, this seems like a good solution to give loyal AS & QX customers more options when traveling to Mexico rather than having to change terminals when flying on AE or driving up to SFO & having to do the same thing. I have to wonder if UAX or AE will cut any of their SJC-LAX-SJC flights now that QX is coming into the market with a much better a/c for a short route as this.

Is there any chance we'll see AS make SJC more than a "focus" city? It seems like the expansion they've done thus far there has gone well, while all the other airlines have axed, axed, and axed service!

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: HorizonGirl
Posted 2010-04-22 19:51:54 and read 6468 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 24):
I guess I didn't get up early enough today!

Well call me crazy, but I got up early today just to see what this announcement would be.   

This is excellent news! I was actually wondering if this was going to happen.

Devon

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: jetpixx
Posted 2010-04-22 20:16:31 and read 6175 times.

SEA-OKC would be a great route for AS...then people in the Emerald City could visit their old basketball team!

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: Tomassjc
Posted 2010-04-22 20:18:50 and read 6136 times.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 41):
Is there any chance we'll see AS make SJC more than a "focus" city?

Sure hope so!!
 

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: surfandsnow
Posted 2010-04-22 20:50:52 and read 5882 times.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 41):
I have to wonder if UAX or AE will cut any of their SJC-LAX-SJC flights now that QX is coming into the market with a much better a/c for a short route as this.

I asked the same question. However, it looks like UAX is currently flying CR7s thrice daily on the route - a very suitable alternative to the QX Q400s given the F and Y+ seating. Though AA could dump the Eagle flights and codeshare with QX on the sector, its probably better off still flying the route itself to maximize connections with its own flight banks out of LAX.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 41):
Is there any chance we'll see AS make SJC more than a "focus" city? It seems like the expansion they've done thus far there has gone well, while all the other airlines have axed, axed, and axed service!

Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves. AUS has indeed done well, but the "nerd bird" express was already a very popular, proven route. The new OGG, KOA, BOI and GEG flights just began, let's see if they are still around in a year or two. I do think QX could be considering a daily to SBA (quite a bit of uproar after UAX announced it would be dropped) and maybe a resumption of PSP and/or TUS could be in order. If VX starts flying down to Mexico from SFO, I could also possibly see AS moving its remaining SFO-Mexico flights (SFO-SJD and SFO-PVR) down to SJC, now that SJC has more feed than SFO does! Maybe a SJC-YVR flight could also do well, although AS has really cut back on the YVR flying in recent years. Other than that, the only realistic opportunity might be ORD, since UA never resumed its own ORD-SJC flights. Will be interesting to see if AS pursues any of these options in the future!

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2010-04-22 20:57:44 and read 5822 times.

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 45):
Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves. AUS has indeed done well, but the "nerd bird" express was already a very popular, proven route. The new OGG, KOA, BOI and GEG flights just began, let's see if they are still around in a year or two. I do think QX could be considering a daily to SBA (quite a bit of uproar after UAX announced it would be dropped) and maybe a resumption of PSP and/or TUS could be in order. If VX starts flying down to Mexico from SFO, I could also possibly see AS moving its remaining SFO-Mexico flights (SFO-SJD and SFO-PVR) down to SJC, now that SJC has more feed than SFO does! Maybe a SJC-YVR flight could also do well, although AS has really cut back on the YVR flying in recent years. Other than that, the only realistic opportunity might be ORD, since UA never resumed its own ORD-SJC flights. Will be interesting to see if AS pursues any of these options in the future!

Not to mention that SJC has a lot of terminal facilities available to them. SJC should call themselves lucky that AS/QX has backfilled on a lot of routes as well as introduce or reintroduce new ones.

QX has slowly been increasing its presence in CA, but there could be more. I'm still holding out for MRY and maybe SCK.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: Airport
Posted 2010-04-22 21:12:57 and read 5759 times.

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 45):
The new OGG, KOA, BOI and GEG flights just began,

SJC-BOI has been around since 1996, I believe due to the Micron connection to silicon valley, though there could be other reasons too.

Cheers!
Anthony/Airport

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: EA CO AS
Posted 2010-04-22 22:06:39 and read 5444 times.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 38):
Quoting SANFan (Reply 35):
I think I remember a time when AS flew SJC-TUS, with, I'm sure, thru-plane service from SEA/PDX on those flights. If AS can't quite see the numbers for n/s PDX-TUS, maybe they could do like AUS and run a flight or 2 a day PDX-SJC-TUS (or via OAK or SFO instead) and add another market to the mix.

It was actually routed differently, if I recall. I believe the plane flew SEA-TUS-SJC-TUS-SEA.

Actually, in the early to mid 90s the routing was SEA-SJC-LAX-TUS and TUS-LAX-SJC-SEA.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: surfandsnow
Posted 2010-04-22 22:13:56 and read 5412 times.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 46):
Not to mention that SJC has a lot of terminal facilities available to them.

They sure do. Let's hope those nice new terminals start to get more use! I would love to (once again) see a hub there someday - and no, Southwest doesn't count.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 46):
SJC should call themselves lucky that AS/QX has backfilled on a lot of routes as well as introduce or reintroduce new ones.

SJC actually isn't doing too bad these days - B6 will resume BOS (though it dropped LGB), AS/QX started up a bunch of routes (and maybe more to come?), and Volaris is coming to town! Now if only they can get flights to EWR and IAD back, and maybe a flight or two to Canada, they'll be in great shape. The loss of F9 is a bit troubling, though, as SJC is the only major city in their network they have had to cut since 2008...

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 46):
QX has slowly been increasing its presence in CA, but there could be more. I'm still holding out for MRY and maybe SCK.

All things considered, QX has done a phenomenal job getting into CA. It's not easy bringing those big Q400s (and/or CR7s) into very small markets like ACV, RDD, MMH, STS that have typically hosted much smaller planes or had no service at all. MRY would be great - they could probably do daily SEA-MRY-LAX and PDX-MRY-LAX flights through there just like they do at nearby STS. Going into SCK could actually hurt their SMF and maybe even SJC ops, although if any airline other than G4 could make that city work, it would probably be QX. What I'd like to see would be some LAX-TVL flights. Such a service would be very, very popular, and those Q400s probably wouldn't irk the folks at TVL nearly as much as RJs would!

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: chrisair
Posted 2010-04-23 01:01:23 and read 5252 times.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 48):
Actually, in the early to mid 90s the routing was SEA-SJC-LAX-TUS and TUS-LAX-SJC-SEA.

I was talking about the most recent TUS-SJC service back in 2002/03.

Those TUS-LAX-SJC-SEA routings were back when AS flew all sorts of crazy routes intra-CA. SJC-BUR/ONT along with LAX, if I recall.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: EA CO AS
Posted 2010-04-23 01:58:27 and read 5213 times.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 50):
back when AS flew all sorts of crazy routes intra-CA.

IIRC, some of the more oddball ones with AS metal were:

LAX-SJC (2X-3X daily)
LAX-SFO (1X daily)
LGB-SFO (3X-4X daily)
LGB-OAK (3X-4X daily)
ONT-SJC (1X daily)
BUR-SFO (2X daily)

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: laca773
Posted 2010-04-23 03:13:32 and read 5164 times.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 50):
Those TUS-LAX-SJC-SEA routings were back when AS flew all sorts of crazy routes intra-CA. SJC-BUR/ONT along with LAX, if I recall.

Add SJC-LGB-SJC to this list. A M80 was utilized on this flight.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: bigGSFO
Posted 2010-04-23 06:37:26 and read 4911 times.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 51):
LAX-SJC (2X-3X daily)
LAX-SFO (1X daily)
LGB-SFO (3X-4X daily)
LGB-OAK (3X-4X daily)
ONT-SJC (1X daily)
BUR-SFO (2X daily)

They also served BUR-ONT (as part of triangle service)....talk about oddball...

IIRC as an aside, LAX was the final major Southern California airport to be served. I remember AS had a campaign where the promoted using BUR, ONT, SNA and LGB as alternatives. I think even PSP had AS service before LAX. They actually ran a promotion for ideas from the public. I remember because I made a submission.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2010-04-23 07:40:08 and read 4782 times.

Quoting bigGSFO (Reply 53):
I remember AS had a campaign where the promoted using BUR, ONT, SNA and LGB as alternatives.

Wasn't that the California Dreamin' campaign after AS inherited Jet America's MD-80 fleet? I remember AS using some of their JA fleet to provide 6X or 7X daily flights between OAK and SJC to BUR and LGB.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2010-04-23 07:55:53 and read 4747 times.

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 49):
What I'd like to see would be some LAX-TVL flights. Such a service would be very, very popular, and those Q400s probably wouldn't irk the folks at TVL nearly as much as RJs would!

I'll second that. But I hear TVL is very political. Another alternative could be TRK (Truckee, CA), but I don't know how QX feels about a towerless airport.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: Tomassjc
Posted 2010-04-23 08:18:40 and read 4684 times.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 55):
Another alternative could be TRK (Truckee, CA), but I don't know how QX feels about a towerless airport

I believe MMH is towerless...

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: hatbutton
Posted 2010-04-23 09:00:42 and read 4587 times.

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 56):
I believe MMH is towerless...

As is PUW and EAT.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: ASFlyer
Posted 2010-04-23 10:04:55 and read 4437 times.

Quoting bigGSFO (Reply 53):
I think even PSP had AS service before LAX.

Palm Springs was one of the first southern California cities served - even before BUR and ONT I believe.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: laca773
Posted 2010-04-23 12:54:40 and read 4213 times.

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 58):
Palm Springs was one of the first southern California cities served - even before BUR and ONT I believe.

PSP does pretty darn good for AS. PSP has more flights than AS' ONT station.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: chrisair
Posted 2010-04-23 23:17:26 and read 3900 times.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 59):
PSP has more flights than AS' ONT station.

That isn't saying much...  

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: Tomassjc
Posted 2010-04-24 09:49:12 and read 3700 times.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 60):
That isn't saying much...

It actually does say quite a bit....PSP flights have a much higher yield than ONT flights.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: laca773
Posted 2010-04-24 12:19:38 and read 3511 times.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 60):
That isn't saying much...

See below.

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 61):
It actually does say quite a bit....PSP flights have a much higher yield than ONT flights.

   . Not surprising at all. A lot of well healed retiree's head to PSP for the pleasant winters similar to those who head to PHX. Further, there are many whom travel to PSP for long weekends in the high end resorts there which do not offer typical "steals" as this is high season for this region.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: flyboy80
Posted 2010-04-24 15:06:53 and read 3369 times.

It really suprizes me that Horizon hasn't implemented some retrofits on board the Q400s to ensure a more competitive product via the inflight experience (lavatory water, reclining seats.) They were ordered without several features as most know, which In my opinon is completely reasonable as these airplanes have been used on short sectors accustom to smaller regional turbo prop aircraft. However Horizon has for sometime now used the 400 on several longer routes in excess of 90 mins. I believe Horizon's management must be spot on that the customers will more than likely choose frequency and price over experience. The complementary micros and wine must go a long way to customer acceptance.

I only bring this up because other airlines spend millions of dollars on IFE etc, makes me wonder if thats just a waste of money when Horizon has made it work without first class on board RJ flights, and having the very plain Q400.

I also feel Alaska Air Group could benefit from a 90- 100 seat platform especially in the Portland markets...almost seems the 700s are too small, and the 73-700, and 73-400 are to large for some of those markets.

Where is AS getting the extra metal for these hawaii/ mexico routes?? I assume they have the availability already within their fleet structure?

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: ASFlyer
Posted 2010-04-24 15:26:59 and read 3317 times.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 59):
PSP does pretty darn good for AS. PSP has more flights than AS' ONT station.

During the high season there are 3 nonstop flights a day to SEA, 2 to PDX and 3 or 4 to SFO. QX has a daily flight to SMF. In the past, both QX and AS have offered a service to SJC as well. PSP has also had daily service to YVR in the past on AS.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2010-04-24 15:29:49 and read 3303 times.

Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 63):
I also feel Alaska Air Group could benefit from a 90- 100 seat platform especially in the Portland markets...almost seems the 700s are too small, and the 73-700, and 73-400 are to large for some of those markets.

I've always wished that AS would pick up a handful of -600's to fill the gap between the RJ-700's and their mainstay 737 fleet. But the cost of operating the -600 isn't worth having them.

Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 63):
Where is AS getting the extra metal for these hawaii/ mexico routes?? I assume they have the availability already within their fleet structure?

AS has been converting their existing fleet of 737-800's to ETOPS...along with taking delivery of a few.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: hatbutton
Posted 2010-04-24 17:34:31 and read 3206 times.

Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 63):
Where is AS getting the extra metal for these hawaii/ mexico routes?? I assume they have the availability already within their fleet structure?

The fleet will actually be down 2 aircraft by the end of the year. So this flying must be because aircraft utilization is not what it should be yet. Though it does come on the heels of the end of the summer season to Alaska as well.

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: SANFan
Posted 2010-04-24 20:22:36 and read 3106 times.

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 66):
The fleet will actually be down 2 aircraft by the end of the year. So this flying must be because aircraft utilization is not what it should be yet. Though it does come on the heels of the end of the summer season to Alaska as well

   For example, SAN lately has lost a SEA r/t in the winter and it is quite possible that a reduction from 8 to 7 SEA trips in late October/November could very well provide the a/c for the new PVR flight (perhaps even with little overall change to the daily SAN turn-schedule!)

SAN-OGG-SAN is a different matter and will tie up an -800 for the entire day. But again, it could come from other seasonal reductions -- like the SEA and/or LAX-CUN flights that apparently are not op'ing this winter...

bb

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2010-04-25 16:37:21 and read 2842 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 67):
SAN-OGG-SAN is a different matter and will tie up an -800 for the entire day. But again, it could come from other seasonal reductions -- like the SEA and/or LAX-CUN flights that apparently are not op'ing this winter...

They could rotate the 737-800 on the RON's. But I'm glad to see SAN getting some well-deserved new service.

Now it's up to the San Diegans to USE the new service so they don't lose it!!!!!!

Topic: RE: Big AS/QX Announcement Tomorrow (4/21)
Username: AirlineBrat
Posted 2010-04-25 22:43:25 and read 2590 times.

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 57):
Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 56):
I believe MMH is towerless...

As is PUW and EAT.

You can add ACV to that list as well.

Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 63):
It really suprizes me that Horizon hasn't implemented some retrofits on board the Q400s to ensure a more competitive product via the inflight experience (lavatory water, reclining seats.)

I can think of one improvement. QX started selling snacks on flights over 1.5 hours in length last fall.


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