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Topic: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: enilria
Posted 2010-04-20 09:49:05 and read 8904 times.

This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now.

How to read:
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airlines are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route

Please take it easy on any typos, there was a lot to type...

3E
STL-DEC 4>2 MAY-
STL-BRL 0>2 MAY-
ORD-BRL 0>2 MAY-
ORD-DEC 0>3 MAY-

9K
BOS-PBG 3>0 JUN-

AS
HNL-PDX 0>1 SEP-
LAX-SJD 2>11/WK AUG-NOV
LAX-MZT 1>4/WK AUG-NOV

B6
BOS-CLT 3>4 SEP-OCT
BOS-FLL 3>5 NOV-
BOS-IAD 6>7 SEP
BOS-JFK 8>6 NOV-
BOS-MCO 6>7 NOV-
BOS-NAS 0>4/WK DEC-
BOS-PBI 2>4 NOV-
BOS-PUJ 0>1/WK NOV-
BOS-RSW 2>4 NOV-
BOS-SAN 2>1 NOV-
BOS-SEA 2>1 NOV-
BOS-SXM 0>1/WK OCT-
BOS-TPA 3>4 NOV-
BUF-MCO 2>1 SEP-
EWR-FLL 3>5 NOV-
EWR-MCO 4>5 NOV-
EWR-PBI 1>2 NOV-
EWR-RSW 1>2 NOV-
FLL-CUN 4/WK>1 NOV-
FLL-HPN 3>4 NOV-
FLL-IAD 2>3 NOV-
FLL-JFK 7>9 NOV-
IAD-CUN 1/WK>0 SEP-OCT
IAD-JFK 3>2 NOV-
IAD-MCO 1>2 NOV-
JFK-LAS 5>4 NOV-
JFK-MCO 10>9 NOV-
JFK-PBI 4>7 NOV-
JFK-PDX 1>4/WK NOV-
JFK-PUJ 4/WK>1 NOV-
JFK-ROC 5>4 NOV-
JFK-RSW 3>5 NOV-
JFK-SAN 3>2 NOV-
JFK-SEA 2>1 NOV-
JFK-SMF 1>4/WK NOV-
LGB-SLC 2>3 NOV-
MCO-PWM 4/WK>0 OCT-

CO
CLE-GSP 2>1 SEP
CLE-ORD 7>6 SEP-
CLE-PHX 2>1 SEP
EWR-IAD 7>6 AUG-
EWR-MKE 4>3 AUG-
IAH-DFW 10>9 AUG-
IAH-MFE 7>6 AUG-

DL
ATL-ECP 3>8 JUN- Wow
ATL-HPN 5>6 JUN- DL must have gotten 3 HPN slots
CVG-GSO 3>2 JUN-
CVG-HPN 0>1 JUN-
CVG-LEX 3>4 JUN-AUG
DTW-HPN 4>5 JUN-
JFK-MCI 1>0 SEP-
MEM-ECP 1>3 MAY-

FL
ATL-IAD 2>3 JUN-

G4
MOST PIE SVC DROPPED
ROUTES DROPPED, MOST EFF. SEP
SFB-ATW
CHA-PIE
CID-PIE
CID-SFB
DSM-MCO
DSM-PIE
ELM-SFB
FAR-SFB
FLL-HTS
FSD-SFB
FWA-SFB
GRR-MYR
GSO-PIE
HGR-SFB
HTS-MYR
LAS-RST
LEX-PIE
PIE-RFD
PIE-ROA
PIE-SBN
PIT-TOL
PIE-TRI
RFD-SFB
SBN-TOL
SBN-XNA

ADDED ROUTES, MOST EFF. SEP
SBN-AZA
LAS-XNA
LAX-PSC
MYR-TYS MAY-SEP
MYR-YNG MAY-SEP
PSP-BLI
EUG-LAX
IDA-LAX

UA
HPN-ORD 6>5 JUN-
IAH-LAX 0>1 AUG-
LGA-ORD 17>18 SEP-
MCO-ORD 6>5 SEP-
MWH-SEA 2>0 JUN-
ORD-PDX 4>5 SEP-
ORD-PWM 3>4 AUG-

US
PHL-PIT 8>9 AUG-

VX
SFO-SNA 4>0 JUL-

WN
BWI-ECP 1>2 MAY- Hmm...

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2010-04-20 09:58:15 and read 8831 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
G4
MOST PIE SVC DROPPED
ROUTES DROPPED, MOST EFF. SEP
SFB-ATW
CHA-PIE
CID-PIE
CID-SFB
DSM-MCO
DSM-PIE
ELM-SFB
FAR-SFB
FLL-HTS
FSD-SFB
FWA-SFB
GRR-MYR
GSO-PIE
HGR-SFB
HTS-MYR
LAS-RST
LEX-PIE
PIE-RFD
PIE-ROA
PIE-SBN
PIT-TOL
PIE-TRI
RFD-SFB
SBN-TOL
SBN-XNA


Are most of these cancellations just Allegiant's typical seasonal suspensions between Sept. and Oct.? Or are a bunch of cities being dropped? I noticed on G4's site that FWA-SFB/PIE is still bookable for September.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: RL757PVD
Posted 2010-04-20 10:04:46 and read 8780 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
ATL-ECP 3>8 JUN- Wow

Delta.com has been showing 8 flights for a while, maybe OAG wasnt

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
ATL-HPN 5>6 JUN- DL must have gotten 3 HPN slots

I didnt think HPN had slots but rather passenger per hour limitations, perhaps these additions are at less-busy times where there was availability.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: dbo861
Posted 2010-04-20 10:04:56 and read 8779 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CID-SFB
DSM-MCO

I wonder if this is a casualty of Airtran's new DSM-MCO route.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: enilria
Posted 2010-04-20 10:04:59 and read 8780 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 1):
Are most of these cancellations just Allegiant's typical seasonal suspensions between Sept. and Oct.? Or are a bunch of cities being dropped? I noticed on G4's site that FWA-SFB/PIE is still bookable for September.


You know I don't follow G4 that closely because they seem to pop in and out of OAG, but these appear to be non-seasonal changes meaning there is no resumption date filed that I can see. I don't really know. The fact that they added a bunch of stuff tells me that they just swapped a bunch of routes. The PIE thing is interesting. Knowing G4 it could be a negotiating ploy to get rates down at PIE ala Ryanair.

The problem with published schedules for G4 is that they are basically irrelevant. G4 sells nothing using normal distribution channels as far as I know, so these schedules (which feed GDS) are really meaningless. OTOH, if they file them they must have a reason of some sort. That's why I wonder if they use them to signal their plans (to other airlines or airports) and create leverage to get costs down, while customers continue booking tickets on their site. No way to know as an outsider.

Another likely reason for all the cuts is their football charter program starts up around then and they may be carving out aircraft to provide that lift.

[Edited 2010-04-20 10:45:12]

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: JA
Posted 2010-04-20 10:07:46 and read 8765 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 1):
Are most of these cancellations just Allegiant's typical seasonal suspensions between Sept. and Oct.? Or are a bunch of cities being dropped? I noticed on G4's site that FWA-SFB/PIE is still bookable for September.

Normally, the OAG stuff shows an end date if the suspensions are seasonal. Enilria would not make a big deal of that. I guess this is fuel related, as the carnage started last year at $90/barrel.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: atrude777
Posted 2010-04-20 10:09:36 and read 8736 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

WN
BWI-ECP 1>2 MAY- Hmm...

That has gotta be a mistake by OAG because WN is already starting BWI-ECP with 2 daily flights as of May 23rd, when ECP opens.

Not sure why OAG shows an "increase" in May when that is what WN is starting it with anyway.

Alex

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: planespotting
Posted 2010-04-20 10:22:14 and read 8589 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
3E
STL-DEC 4>2 MAY-
STL-BRL 0>2 MAY-
ORD-BRL 0>2 MAY-
ORD-DEC 0>3 MAY-

Interesting to see these EAS routes gets some action. Air Choice One uses Cessna Caravans for scheduled service ... how many seats can they fit on those planes? And how many pax actually use the service?

It's fairly cheap - you can get a round trip between BRL and ORD for less than $200.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: enilria
Posted 2010-04-20 10:42:30 and read 8453 times.

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 6):
That has gotta be a mistake by OAG because WN is already starting BWI-ECP with 2 daily flights as of May 23rd, when ECP opens.

Not sure why OAG shows an "increase" in May when that is what WN is starting it with anyway.

It would have to be a mistake by WN. OAG doesn't edit the schedules. That was brought up a long time ago when only one flight appeared originally. Is it possible that one flight was going to be a scheduled charter for the company that is paying the bill for WN's losses, but now they've made it a regular flights?

Quoting planespotting (Reply 7):
Air Choice One uses Cessna Caravans for scheduled service ... how many seats can they fit on those planes? And how many pax actually use the service?

Caravans usually have 9 seats. I know nothing about that operator, though.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: SANFan
Posted 2010-04-20 10:44:49 and read 8441 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6
BOS-SAN 2>1 NOV-
JFK-SAN 3>2 NOV-

I'm having trouble even figuring out what B6 schedules are doing this summer/fall since there are no timetables available right now; the only source of flight data is the booking engine and that's rather cumbersome to work through, day-by-day.

SAN never got the usual 3rd JFK flight for the summer -- we will, I assume, be at 2x JFK and 2x BOS. (I understand that this may be due to the runway project at JFK.)

But apparently, around Oct 1, we DO get the 3rd JFK flight, and it stays for just 1 month, then disappears again with the end of DST around Nov 1. Very wierd timing. (And I guess a BOS trip goes away as well.)

IOW, the JFK-SAN decrease noted above in the OP, from 3 to 2 flights, is not a summer>fall decrease as it would appear or would be expected, but a fall>fall decrease...

This has been a disappointing year in San Diego for Blue.

bb

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: enilria
Posted 2010-04-20 10:58:24 and read 8336 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 9):
(I understand that this may be due to the runway project at JFK.)

That's the biggest fake whipping horse in the airline industry. B6 has slots they aren't even using and they are giving AA some of them. BOS is just a higher priority for them now.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 9):
But apparently, around Oct 1, we DO get the 3rd JFK flight, and it stays for just 1 month, then disappears again with the end of DST around Nov 1. Very wierd timing. (And I guess a BOS trip goes away as well.)

I actually show that flight only operates for 1/2 of October. My guess is that they are going to clean that up and remove it.

This week's schedule load for B6 opened the schedule for November and later. There was nothing for sale previously in OAG. The flight comparisons, thus, are really November to October since there was no other reference point. There were a couple of interesting things about the schedule extension. It's clearly not the same schedule as the October schedule, but is a legitimate Winter schedule. One of the tricks B6 employs in their schedule loads is that they try to sneak in as many changes as possible into the schedule roll forward so they aren't easily noticed by competitors. All the airlines have reports that track published schedule changes that are fully automated for their management to review. When B6 rolls a new schedule where nothing was previously for sale those reports are impossible to use because you'd have to compare October to November by hand (as I did) and that's not as easily done in a big company as you might think because the data is buried on a server somewhere in I.T. The other thing that was interesting is that they didn't change the October schedule much to make it conform to the new Winter schedule. This aberrant JFK-SAN is a great example. My guess is they simply dropped in the new Winter schedule and now they will go back in and blend it to the Fall schedule. They may do that because of lack of manpower or more likely because they don't want to draw attention to the changes in the Winter schedule until it's the next week and it's that much harder to do the comparison I described a moment ago.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: FlyPNS1
Posted 2010-04-20 11:05:40 and read 8300 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 8):
Is it possible that one flight was going to be a scheduled charter for the company that is paying the bill for WN's losses, but now they've made it a regular flights?

It was announced as 2x daily by WN and has always been available at 2x daily on WN's web site.

On a side note, UA's weekend ORD-PNS sevice will go daily in November. It was loaded by UA this weekend, but apparently not picked up in the OAG.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: DAL767400ER
Posted 2010-04-20 11:08:48 and read 8265 times.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
ATL-ECP 3>8 JUN- Wow

Delta.com has been showing 8 flights for a while, maybe OAG wasnt

8 flights is also pretty much the standard frequency that DL is operating on ATL-PFN, the route that will be replaced by ATL-ECP. ECP never realistically could be served with just 3 flights, even if that was loaded into OAG for whatever reasons.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: atrude777
Posted 2010-04-20 11:14:19 and read 8220 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 8):

It would have to be a mistake by WN. OAG doesn't edit the schedules. That was brought up a long time ago when only one flight appeared originally. Is it possible that one flight was going to be a scheduled charter for the company that is paying the bill for WN's losses, but now they've made it a regular flights?

Not sure Man.

Ever since it appeared on our employee site for listing and booking it was 2 daily from the start for BWI-ECP. That's why your OAG thing stumped me as an announcement for an "increase".

Alex

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: SANFan
Posted 2010-04-20 11:23:48 and read 8168 times.

Thanks, Enilria, for the JetBlue insight; very interesting.

Perhaps Blue's getting away from timetables (the pdf as well as the desktop app that they used to offer) is also part of their attempt to make it harder for competitors to figure out what their flight schedules really are. (Unfortunately, I think they will find that potential customers will also get tired of trying to figure out where and when they fly.) I got an explanation from them as to what became of their timetables but I'm not particularly buying it, especially now...

bb

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: KcrwFlyer
Posted 2010-04-20 11:34:33 and read 8092 times.

I can't imagine G4 hacking so much east coast flying....interesting.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: enilria
Posted 2010-04-20 11:43:37 and read 8028 times.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 11):
It was announced as 2x daily by WN and has always been available at 2x daily on WN's web site.

Could just be an oversight that nobody ever noticed.

There are other things that could cause it. OAG does block aberrant data. Aberrant could be a mis-spelled airport code or an equipment type it doesn't recognize. I've seen cases before where an airline filed their published schedule with internal only equipment codes. For example, 73J might be an internal code for WN, but is not a recognized equipment code by OAG. That flight would not appear because it is invalid. That might take a while to catch.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 11):
On a side note, UA's weekend ORD-PNS sevice will go daily in November. It was loaded by UA this weekend, but apparently not picked up in the OAG.

I thought that appeared a week or two ago, but I'm not sure.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 14):
Thanks, Enilria, for the JetBlue insight; very interesting.

Perhaps Blue's getting away from timetables (the pdf as well as the desktop app that they used to offer) is also part of their attempt to make it harder for competitors to figure out what their flight schedules really are. (Unfortunately, I think they will find that potential customers will also get tired of trying to figure out where and when they fly.) I got an explanation from them as to what became of their timetables but I'm not particularly buying it, especially now...

Thanks...

Well, the thing with timetables these days is that airlines are doing tons of ah-hoc day of week cancellations with only 40-60 days notice, mostly on Tues/Wed flights. Airlines may not want a printed schedule that alerts passengers that those flights were cancelled. There used to be a rule in the CAB era prohibiting "economic cancellations" which I assume is now gone. That rule prevented airlines from cancelling published flights simply because the flights would not make money. Airlines may be starting to get worried this rule will rear its head again so they are eliminating the official evidence.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: RL757PVD
Posted 2010-04-20 12:04:11 and read 7911 times.

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 15):
I can't imagine G4 hacking so much east coast flying....interesting.

I believe they did something similar last year for Sept-Nov timeframe, I at least know that was the case for ELM-SFB

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: atrude777
Posted 2010-04-20 12:42:27 and read 7775 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 16):
For example, 73J might be an internal code for WN, but is not a recognized equipment code by OAG. That flight would not appear because it is invalid. That might take a while to catch.

WN uses 733 for 737-300, 735 for 737-500 and 73G for 737-700. While internal, it's same code used for www.flightaware.com and other booking sites.

Alex

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2010-04-20 13:06:12 and read 7653 times.

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 15):
I can't imagine G4 hacking so much east coast flying....interesting.
Quoting enilria (Reply 4):
The problem with published schedules for G4 is that they are basically irrelevant. G4 sells nothing using normal distribution channels as far as I know, so these schedules (which feed GDS) are really meaningless. OTOH, if they file them they must have a reason of some sort. That's why I wonder if they use them to signal their plans (to other airlines or airports) and create leverage to get costs down, while customers continue booking tickets on their site. No way to know as an outsider.

These cuts might not be happening for two reasons: Allegiant does not distribute their schedules to third parties such as OAG, nor have they set their schedule past September yet. So these are probably wild guesses.

In the meantime, while we wait to see if this is real or not, our best source is G4's website after they get the post-September schedules loaded.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: leo8448
Posted 2010-04-20 13:30:08 and read 7544 times.

Actually CHA-PIE is still flying in SEP (Sun & Thu) (Was set to end August 14)
So is:
CID-SFB (Sun & Thu)
DSM-MCO (Mon & Fri)
ELM-SFB (Sun & Thu)
HTS-FLL (Sun & Thu)
FWA-SFB (Sun & Thu)
LEX-PIE (Sun & Thu)
SBN-PIE (Sun & Thu)
TRI-PIE (Sun & Thu)

Some other flights end during Sep.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: FATFlyer
Posted 2010-04-20 13:44:50 and read 7512 times.

Currently the Allegiant website is only accepting bookings until 9/30. Until the booking window is extended I would not assume this is anything more than a seasonal stoppage during the slow period in Sept/Oct.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: HVNandrew
Posted 2010-04-20 13:59:29 and read 7454 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CVG-HPN 0>1 JUN-

Interesting. CVG has gotten a few notable markets brought back online over the last few months (AUS, SAT, and now, HPN).

I'm thrilled to see this flight back. I've done HPN-CVG-LAX/SAN/LAS in the past, and it is always easier/quicker than flying down to/through ATL.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: SlcDeltaRUmd11
Posted 2010-04-20 15:02:46 and read 7291 times.

Jet blue going to 3x daily on slc-lgb seems like a lot of seats im guessing its all A320? With delta having quite a good frequency that is alot of seats on this route not even adding in all of them to LAX and SNA as well. I wonder why jetblue decided to add in a third daily flight are they really doing this well on this route?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: B6JFKH81
Posted 2010-04-20 15:24:13 and read 7200 times.

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Reply 23):
Jet blue going to 3x daily on slc-lgb seems like a lot of seats im guessing its all A320?

The E190 is completely leaving the west coast within the next month or so, anything west of AUS/ORD will be A320. There is also a scale-back on the transcons over the last 2 years, so there are more connections to keep l/f's higher where we can connect.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: dadoftyler
Posted 2010-04-20 16:57:18 and read 7055 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 16):
Could just be an oversight that nobody ever noticed.

There are other things that could cause it. OAG does block aberrant data. Aberrant could be a mis-spelled airport code or an equipment type it doesn't recognize. I've seen cases before where an airline filed their published schedule with internal only equipment codes. For example, 73J might be an internal code for WN, but is not a recognized equipment code by OAG. That flight would not appear because it is invalid. That might take a while to catch.

Enrilia,

Not really....that's not how we schedule. SSIM files are automatically generated after extensive automated checks, using industry-standard equipment types. Even when we have internal equipment codes, our scheduling software was designed to "translate" those to industry standard during the SSIM create. And the odd thing is that we haven't transmitted a SSIM file to anyone in over weeks (haven't needed to)--so we didn't change anything. We didn't hear anything about this until this post--so I'll check with OAG tommorrow. And Alex is right--it was 2X BWI-ECP when we announced, and nothing has changed. Very odd.

While I'm at this--a BIG THANK YOU for doing this. For all of us who know how difficult doing a SSIM compare can be given the intricacies of the file, you are a MASTER. Bravo!!!!

Bill

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: CIDflyer
Posted 2010-04-20 16:59:37 and read 7035 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
G4
MOST PIE SVC DROPPED
ROUTES DROPPED, MOST EFF. SEP

I'm going to guess these are just the normal seasonal suspensions, they have done that for the last few years as that's a typically slow time to Florida.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 11):
On a side note, UA's weekend ORD-PNS sevice will go daily in November.

that's good news! Glad to see UA doing good in PNS, considering its presence in this region is basically zilch. Now I am wondering if AA's resumption (albeit weekend only) of ORD-PNS willl go daily at some point? I'm already booked on it next Feb. (Feb 19 to be exact).

[Edited 2010-04-20 17:19:38]

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: ncflyer
Posted 2010-04-20 17:17:14 and read 7050 times.

Cleveland goes in one direction-- down, down, down.

I see the Star Alliance with United is really driving up connections to the other sky team hubs------ NOT.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: ncflyer
Posted 2010-04-20 17:18:26 and read 7013 times.

oops. meant to other Star hubs, my bad.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: enilria
Posted 2010-04-20 17:53:10 and read 6929 times.

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 18):
WN uses 733 for 737-300, 735 for 737-500 and 73G for 737-700. While internal, it's same code used for www.flightaware.com and other booking sites.

Just my speculation...

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 19):
These cuts might not be happening for two reasons: Allegiant does not distribute their schedules to third parties such as OAG, nor have they set their schedule past September yet. So these are probably wild guesses.

They definitely have a schedule field out there and they changed it this week. Whether it is a real schedule is another question since again I don't know how uses G4's published schedule. This is why I normally don't summarize their schedule changes, but this seemed like a big one so I did.

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Reply 23):
Jet blue going to 3x daily on slc-lgb seems like a lot of seats im guessing its all A320?

That route seems to have sucked from T100 so it is odd.

Quoting dadoftyler (Reply 25):
Not really....that's not how we schedule. SSIM files are automatically generated after extensive automated checks, using industry-standard equipment types. Even when we have internal equipment codes, our scheduling software was designed to "translate" those to industry standard during the SSIM create. And the odd thing is that we haven't transmitted a SSIM file to anyone in over weeks (haven't needed to)--so we didn't change anything. We didn't hear anything about this until this post--so I'll check with OAG tommorrow. And Alex is right--it was 2X BWI-ECP when we announced, and nothing has changed. Very odd.

Glad to see we have a real scheduling employee here.
That was not the only change this week. This one was small so I didn't post it, but ECP-MCO was shown as operating non-daily on the two RTs from August forward, but now it is showing daily operation on both trips.

Quoting dadoftyler (Reply 25):

While I'm at this--a BIG THANK YOU for doing this. For all of us who know how difficult doing a SSIM compare can be given the intricacies of the file, you are a MASTER. Bravo!!!!

Thanks

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: tharanga
Posted 2010-04-20 20:00:14 and read 6610 times.

so on the B6 front: besides JFK/BOS to SAN, there are apparent cuts on those to SEA. Are these also difficult to interpret, or it normal winter schedule, or can we say B6 is not doing well on the transcons to the corners of the west coast?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2010-04-20 20:39:14 and read 6462 times.

Quoting tharanga (Reply 30):
so on the B6 front: besides JFK/BOS to SAN, there are apparent cuts on those to SEA. Are these also difficult to interpret, or it normal winter schedule, or can we say B6 is not doing well on the transcons to the corners of the west coast?

I believe - but may be wrong - that B6 reduces its Seattle schedule during the winter.

-Dave

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: cschleic
Posted 2010-04-21 08:10:20 and read 5963 times.

Did I read this right.....VX is dropping SFO - SNA completely?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: RJNUT
Posted 2010-04-21 08:47:28 and read 5759 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 19):
These cuts might not be happening for two reasons: Allegiant does not distribute their schedules to third parties such as OAG,

thats why i LOVE my American Express Skyguide because they must go out and trak this info down and publish G4 scheds, unlike their competitor at OAG!

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: enilria
Posted 2010-04-21 10:42:25 and read 5401 times.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 31):
I believe - but may be wrong - that B6 reduces its Seattle schedule during the winter.

I agree, I think it is pretty normal for them. Flying them less than daily is probably a new low, though.

Quoting cschleic (Reply 32):
Did I read this right.....VX is dropping SFO - SNA completely?

That was announced a while back and then they mucked around with the schedule in subsequent loads for some reason.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2010-04-21 11:29:44 and read 5327 times.

Quoting cschleic (Reply 32):
Did I read this right.....VX is dropping SFO - SNA completely?

Yes was announced in March.
Virgin America To Add MCO,YYZ (by ItalianFlyer Mar 18 2010 in Civil Aviation)

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2010-04-21 15:06:57 and read 5092 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 34):
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 31):
I believe - but may be wrong - that B6 reduces its Seattle schedule during the winter.

I agree, I think it is pretty normal for them. Flying them less than daily is probably a new low, though.

But I'm not seeing that they are less than daily. Am I missing something (I'm bedridden, so wouldn't be a surprise).

-Dave

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: enilria
Posted 2010-04-21 18:12:00 and read 4880 times.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 36):
But I'm not seeing that they are less than daily. Am I missing something (I'm bedridden, so wouldn't be a surprise).

My mistake, it's because they only have their schedule filed through 11/7 so it looked like they weren't flying it daily in November.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: freakyrat
Posted 2010-04-22 04:46:22 and read 4550 times.

Reference the Allegiant (G4) Schedule: There are no flights published yet after Sept 30th. Allegiant is operating a normal PIE schedule till that time. Allegiant does't fly from SBN-TOL or SBN-XNA. Allegiant is adding service from SBN-IWA in June.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: greenair727
Posted 2010-04-22 06:44:36 and read 4457 times.

Quoting ncflyer:
Cleveland goes in one direction-- down, down, down.

ncflyer, if you look at the data, the post-summer reductions are later for CLE (Sept) than they are for CO's other hubs (Aug)--there's nothing negative about CLE here....sorry.

Quote:

CLE-ORD 7>6 SEP-
CLE-PHX 2>1 SEP
EWR-IAD 7>6 AUG-
EWR-MKE 4>3 AUG-
IAH-DFW 10>9 AUG-
IAH-MFE 7>6 AUG-

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: enilria
Posted 2010-04-22 11:57:01 and read 4237 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
SBN-TOL
SBN-XNA
Quoting freakyrat (Reply 38):
Allegiant does't fly from SBN-TOL or SBN-XNA. Allegiant is adding service from SBN-IWA in June.

Those should have been
SFB-TOL
SFB-XNA
Typo...

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: sflaflight
Posted 2010-04-26 22:46:55 and read 3638 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
9K
BOS-PBG 3>0 JUN-

Wasn't this up for EAS rebid? If so, is this a sign that 9K is not in the running or is it the beginning of the end for PBG to the NorthEast?

CapeAir service will surely be missed though.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: surfandsnow
Posted 2010-04-26 23:10:18 and read 3589 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6
BOS-CLT 3>4 SEP-OCT

Wow! Looks like that one is doing very well for them!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
MCO-PWM 4/WK>0 OCT-

Oh, does this mean B6 is dropping the route? I guess FL still flies it. It's rather unusual to see FL beating B6 on the Northeast-Florida runs...

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: enilria
Posted 2010-04-27 07:54:17 and read 3281 times.

Quoting sflaflight (Reply 41):
Wasn't this up for EAS rebid? If so, is this a sign that 9K is not in the running or is it the beginning of the end for PBG to the NorthEast?

CapeAir service will surely be missed though.

The same route will now be flown by US Express SF3 equipment. I don't know which operator that is.

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 42):
Wow! Looks like that one is doing very well for them!
Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 42):
Oh, does this mean B6 is dropping the route? I guess FL still flies it. It's rather unusual to see FL beating B6 on the Northeast-Florida runs...

It does appear to be more than a seasonal drop as it has no resumption. It could be re-added for December, though. FL is very potent to Florida from medium cities. B6 does better from the major cities...and Allegiant does best from the tiny cities. I'm guessing that all happens from a mixture of product and marketing strategy.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 4/23/2010:AS/B6/CO/DL/G4/WN
Username: ExpressJet_ERJ
Posted 2010-04-27 09:58:20 and read 3094 times.

Colgan is the only USX Saab operator so I will go with it is them.


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