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Topic: Future Of The 747 QF15/16
Username: Jackbr
Posted 2010-05-11 03:27:54 and read 7121 times.

Any predictions as to the future of 747s on Qantas's BNE-LAX service, with things such as the impending delivery of the 787 and the V Australia service taken into account?

Topic: RE: Future Of The 747 QF15/16
Username: AirNiugini
Posted 2010-05-11 20:21:43 and read 6702 times.

Good old QF15/16 always seems to have the oldest 74's in the QF fleet. I remember hearing on the news (not so credible) when QF took delivery of the A380's, that Brisbane will see the A380 on regular services within 5 years. That would have to be fairly unlikely.

But maybe we might get some of the newer 747s or the 747 400ERs as the older ones retire.

The 787's are more likely then the A380's....   

Topic: RE: Future Of The 747 QF15/16
Username: gemuser
Posted 2010-05-11 20:37:13 and read 6643 times.

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 1):
The 787's are more likely then the A380's....

Actually I don't think you'll see B788s on BNE-LAX. It would be conceeding to much capacity to VA, BNE-other N American port quite possibly. I see BNE-LAX being as much a battle groud between QF & VA as SYD-LAX.

Gemuser

Topic: RE: Future Of The 747 QF15/16
Username: Jackbr
Posted 2010-05-11 23:16:12 and read 6456 times.

Is it likely to be one of the last 747 routes?

Topic: RE: Future Of The 747 QF15/16
Username: DJ748
Posted 2010-05-11 23:19:10 and read 6452 times.

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 1):
But maybe we might get some of the newer 747s or the 747 400ERs as the older ones retire.

That's actually happening now, but fairly intermittedly. Wunala Dreaming (VH-OEJ) which is the most famous of the 747-400ER's has been seen in BNE on a number of occassionas, including once earlier this month. Not sure of the reason why the newer 744's and 744ER's get rotated through BNE but it definitely happens.

From what I understand from reading here on a.net and another local forum is that QF will be changing the layout of quite a number of their 744's to take out first class, which means business, premium economy and economy on most of birds remaining in the 747 fleet. With the A380's going to be fairly much exclusive to MEL-LAX, SYD-LAX, MEL-LHR and SYD-SIN-LHR (I can't recall the Asian stopping point for the MEL-LHR A380 route off the top of my head), so that will free up the newer 747-400's (including the ER's) to the BNE-LAX run.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 2):
BNE-other N American port quite possibly.

If that ever happens, it's likely going to be BNE-SFO as it has the most potential. HNL wouldn't have as much of a market - JQ couldn't even makem MEL-HNL work at 2x weekly.

We could even see routes ex BNE into Europe, but would still have to stop even with a 788. It had been rumoured a while back that QF would reroute their FRA service out of Australia so it would depart BNE instead of SYD, but not happened. But admittedly EK and SQ have that market fairly much covered so QF would have a hard battle in front of them to capture anything to Europe ex BNE. North America has the best chance, with SFO being on the top of the list, followed by YVR.

Topic: RE: Future Of The 747 QF15/16
Username: Chinook747
Posted 2010-05-11 23:21:31 and read 6436 times.

Quoting DJ748 (Reply 4):
(I can't recall the Asian stopping point for the MEL-LHR A380 route off the top of my head),

Hong Kong

Topic: RE: Future Of The 747 QF15/16
Username: AirNiugini
Posted 2010-05-11 23:28:13 and read 6419 times.

Quoting DJ748 (Reply 4):
so that will free up the newer 747-400's (including the ER's) to the BNE-LAX run.

That would be pretty awesome...   

Topic: RE: Future Of The 747 QF15/16
Username: AirNiugini
Posted 2010-05-11 23:34:33 and read 6389 times.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 2):
Actually I don't think you'll see B788s on BNE-LAX.
Quoting DJ748 (Reply 4):
We could even see routes ex BNE into Europe, but would still have to stop even with a 788.

Didn't know we were getting 788 in red tails... I thought only 789's and 788 for JQ.

Quoting DJ748 (Reply 4):
(I can't recall the Asian stopping point for the MEL-LHR A380 route off the top of my head)

QF29/30 goes via Hong Kong (747 400), QF9/10 goes via Singapore (to go daily A380 once QF get more of them)

Topic: RE: Future Of The 747 QF15/16
Username: ZuluAlpha
Posted 2010-05-11 23:58:30 and read 6338 times.

The first thing they want to do is get QF15/16 back to daily.

V Australia still has issues with their luggage where by they limit their standard economy to 2pc with a combined total of 32kg for the 2 pieces

Quoting DJ748 (Reply 4):
Not sure of the reason why the newer 744's and 744ER's get rotated through BNE but it definitely happens.

Not sure either, but as we all probably know, the QF15/16 is usually just Business and Economy. When the newer ones which have 4 classes, the top teir frequent flyer in economy get Premium Economy seats. Top Teir business get first class seats, but both with their paying cabin service.

Quoting DJ748 (Reply 4):
It had been rumoured a while back that QF would reroute their FRA service out of Australia so it would depart BNE

I'm pretty sure the QF flight, ex BNE to SIN use to continue through to FRA, when it was a 743. Now they have QF51/52 daily to SIN wich continues 3 days of the week through to SIN

Topic: RE: Future Of The 747 QF15/16
Username: tayser
Posted 2010-05-12 00:26:33 and read 6267 times.

Quoting DJ748 (Reply 4):
(I can't recall the Asian stopping point for the MEL-LHR A380 route off the top of my head)

QF9/10: MEL-SIN-LHR-SIN-MEL

Topic: RE: Future Of The 747 QF15/16
Username: gemuser
Posted 2010-05-12 02:16:23 and read 6111 times.

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 7):

Didn't know we were getting 788 in red tails... I thought only 789's and 788 for JQ.

The orginal plan was that the first 15B787s, which were/are B788s were to go to JQ, until the first 15 B789were delivered to JQ. As they were delivered the B788s would go to QF. Both would get subsequent B789 deliveries.

With all the delays, GFC, etc it now appears that the first 15 B788 are going directly to QF, basically as a B767 replacements and the first 15 B789s are going to JQ. Subsequently both will get further B789s. That's why JQ got more A332s.

Gemuser

Topic: RE: Future Of The 747 QF15/16
Username: ZK-NBT
Posted 2010-05-12 04:21:42 and read 5959 times.

Quoting DJ748 (Reply 4):
That's actually happening now, but fairly intermittedly. Wunala Dreaming (VH-OEJ) which is the most famous of the 747-400ER's has been seen in BNE on a number of occassionas, including once earlier this month. Not sure of the reason why the newer 744's and 744ER's get rotated through BNE but it definitely happens.

Due to maintanence mainly, QFs 7 2 class 744 are fairly busy.

As for BNE-LAX I'd say it will keep 744s for atleast another 5-6 years, nothing else other than the A380 can fly it currently and it will be several years before QF have enough 787s. I agree maybe when it does become a 787 then they may to make up the capacity introduce BNE-SFO.

Quoting DJ748 (Reply 4):
It had been rumoured a while back that QF would reroute their FRA service out of Australia so it would depart BNE instead of SYD, but not happened.

More than anything to increase BNE-SIN capacity to a 744.

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 8):
I'm pretty sure the QF flight, ex BNE to SIN use to continue through to FRA, when it was a 743

Hmm I can't remember that, when the 743s were going to FRA last back in the early 2000s they went SYD-MEL-BKK-FRA a few days a week with SYD-SIN-FRA with a 744 on the other days. Certainly there may have been a time when a 743 did SIN-FRA, though BKK-FRA is shorter thinking of aircraft range.

Topic: RE: Future Of The 747 QF15/16
Username: DJ748
Posted 2010-05-12 04:28:35 and read 5910 times.

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 8):
Now they have QF51/52 daily to SIN wich continues 3 days of the week through to SIN

Actually continues through to BOM. The BNE-SIN-FRA hasn't been on the QF cards, and likely will never be - which is why I had mentioned it was just a rumour. Well after it was rumoured, QF discontinued the SYD-BOM direct and instead routed it via SIN out of BNE. It would be nice to have a service to somewhere in Europe from BNE on QF metal, but I'd personally rather go on SQ or EK if heading over to Europe, but admitted I am way too addicted to New Zealand and Papua New Guinea to be thinking about anywhere else in the world outside of those two countries and North America for that fact.

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 6):
Quoting DJ748 (Reply 4):
so that will free up the newer 747-400's (including the ER's) to the BNE-LAX run.

That would be pretty awesome...

I'm waiting for the day for when it becomes a regular occurance, but now we have to settle for the occasional and somwhat random appearances. Just need to wait until enough A380's are delivered, then it will be all systems go that is assuming the people in scheduling at QF do their jobs right - I know that from experience (I'll explain in a PM tomorrow to you buddy - getting late, and need some sleep before a huge day at work tomorrow).

Topic: RE: Future Of The 747 QF15/16
Username: AirNiugini
Posted 2010-05-12 06:53:35 and read 5761 times.

Quoting DJ748 (Reply 12):
but admitted I am way too addicted to New Zealand and Papua New Guinea to be thinking about anywhere else in the world outside of those two countries and North America for that fact.

Agreed! Niugini is pretty choice DJ748. I hope you give PX a whirl when u travel north too...
 
Quoting gemuser (Reply 10):

So, Qantas would most likely be using the 787 800 on domestic runs to replace current 767s, or would the A330 300s and 200s be converted into a domestic config and 787 8's be put on international? All this 767/A330/787 business is making my head hurt... hahaha.

Regardless, I don't think QF would put a 787 800 on BNE - LAX - BNE... just a tad small maybe...

Topic: RE: Future Of The 747 QF15/16
Username: 777jaah
Posted 2010-05-12 08:55:56 and read 5689 times.

Quoting DJ748 (Reply 4):
Wunala Dreaming

I saw @ LAX 2 weeks ago, beautiful livery.


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