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Topic: Vietnam Airlines Now Part Of Skyteam
Username: worldtraveler
Posted 2010-06-10 04:26:28 and read 4706 times.

HANOI, Vietnam, June 10 /PRNewswire/ -- During a ceremony held in Hanoi today, Vietnam Airlines officially joined the SkyTeam global airline alliance. SkyTeam is increasing its focus on Asia as a whole, and by welcoming its first member in Southeast Asia, the alliance significantly strengthens its network reach in the region.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Vietna...ns-prnews-1138400007.html?x=0&.v=1

Skyteam's focus on building its Asia will provide many opportunities for new service by each of the members of the alliance.

"SkyTeam continues to improve Delta customers' access to some of the globe's most important commercial and tourism destinations," said Delta CEO Richard Anderson. "The addition of Vietnam's leading airline to SkyTeam positions our alliance as the fastest growing in Asia and builds on the planned addition of China Eastern Airlines."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Delta-...am-prnews-2999693119.html?x=0&.v=1

Welcome to Skyteam, VN.

Topic: RE: Vietnam Airlines Now Part Of Skyteam
Username: gardermoen
Posted 2010-06-10 04:55:38 and read 4655 times.

I could be wrong but didn't VN announce its intention to join Skyteam some time during this year only? I swear it was only recently this news was public, and already they are in the alliance.
Is this some kind of a record between announcing and actually joining an alliance?

On another note, with VN in and apparently Garuda on its way, will Malaysa Airlines ever become part of Skyteam as often discussed?
Perhaps MH could pursue the oneworld path (its only other Asian partners being CX and JL - so no SE Asian based carrier)

Topic: RE: Vietnam Airlines Now Part Of Skyteam
Username: Dalb777
Posted 2010-06-10 06:55:32 and read 4438 times.

Quoting gardermoen (Reply 1):
I could be wrong but didn't VN announce its intention to join Skyteam some time during this year only? I swear it was only recently this news was public, and already they are in the alliance.

Sounds like they officially became a FULL Skyteam member, versus an associate, or partial membership, or whatever they call it.

Topic: RE: Vietnam Airlines Now Part Of Skyteam
Username: boeingfever777
Posted 2010-06-10 07:00:12 and read 4410 times.

Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 2):
Quoting gardermoen (Reply 1):
I could be wrong but didn't VN announce its intention to join Skyteam some time during this year only? I swear it was only recently this news was public, and already they are in the alliance.

Sounds like they officially became a FULL Skyteam member, versus an associate, or partial membership, or whatever they call it.
SkyTeam Signs Preliminary Membership Agreement with Vietnam Airlines

Signed an agreement over a year ago to join Skyteam.

Topic: RE: Vietnam Airlines Now Part Of Skyteam
Username: charliecossie
Posted 2010-06-10 07:03:50 and read 4396 times.

And hard to imagine a worse airline (although I'm sure there are plenty).

Topic: RE: Vietnam Airlines Now Part Of Skyteam
Username: Asiaflyer
Posted 2010-06-10 07:29:06 and read 4308 times.

Quoting charliecossie (Reply 4):
And hard to imagine a worse airline (although I'm sure there are plenty).

And how do you come to that conclusion?

Topic: RE: Vietnam Airlines Now Part Of Skyteam
Username: charliecossie
Posted 2010-06-10 07:48:26 and read 4242 times.

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 5):
And how do you come to that conclusion?

Years of maintaining their heaps of junk.
Staff that can't spell "punctuality". STD 14:40. ATD sometime later than that.
Pilots that have trouble with even the most basic technical English.
Pilots that like a snooze over Prague.
Fly to a major European airport without carrying a spares kit, joining the IATA technical pool or positioning even a bloody mainwheel with your maintenance provider.
Providing no technical documentation for your maintenance provider because it's all carried on the aircraft. Sometimes.
Pilots that "forget" to write no-go status messages in the log.
Electrically operated seats in business class which fail regularly. Many manual cables broken. Seats sold.
One plane flew for *years* with a third of the seat back video handsets inop. *Years*.

A bloody shower.

Topic: RE: Vietnam Airlines Now Part Of Skyteam
Username: globalflyer
Posted 2010-06-10 07:52:12 and read 4217 times.

Any ideas if VN will add service to the US Mainland to connect to DL Hubs (maybe LAX)?

Topic: RE: Vietnam Airlines Now Part Of Skyteam
Username: Coal
Posted 2010-06-10 08:03:52 and read 4164 times.

Quoting charliecossie (Reply 4):
And hard to imagine a worse airline (although I'm sure there are plenty).

Admittedly they are not the best, but they have improved.

I still think it's not such a great choice. SkyTeam signed up a Vietnamese carrier today, not a SE Asian carrier. VN will not become for SkyTeam what TG or SQ are for Star, namely because pretty much everybody needs to get a visa to enter Vietnam, and with better alternatives through visa-free airports, I am not really sure this was such a great move. MH would have been a better choice.

Cheers
Coal

Topic: RE: Vietnam Airlines Now Part Of Skyteam
Username: trex8
Posted 2010-06-10 08:06:31 and read 4148 times.

is CI next to join skyteam then?

Topic: RE: Vietnam Airlines Now Part Of Skyteam
Username: LJ
Posted 2010-06-10 10:56:28 and read 3888 times.

Quoting trex8 (Reply 9):
is CI next to join skyteam then?

No that will be Tarom (official entry date June 25th 2010).

Topic: RE: Vietnam Airlines Now Part Of Skyteam
Username: davescj
Posted 2010-06-10 12:44:57 and read 3718 times.

Quoting Coal (Reply 8):
VN will not become for SkyTeam what TG or SQ are for Star, namely because pretty much everybody needs to get a visa to enter Vietnam, and with better alternatives through visa-free airports, I am not really sure this was such a great move. MH would have been a better choice.

Coal,

I agree. VN is NO WHERE close to where SQ or TG is at. I keep hoping MH will enter....but not so far. I think at least it could help build up some flights/access NRT and Hong Kong to Saigon and Hanoi.

Dave

Topic: RE: Vietnam Airlines Now Part Of Skyteam
Username: Asiaflyer
Posted 2010-06-10 17:28:41 and read 3520 times.

Quoting charliecossie (Reply 6):
Years of maintaining their heaps of junk.

Thanks for clearifying...  

I have been flying VN a few times in Asia, and have mostly good experiences.
Meals are great, but FA's could look more happy.

Sometimes is good not to know whats going on in the cockpit....  Wow!  

Topic: RE: Vietnam Airlines Now Part Of Skyteam
Username: VN777
Posted 2010-06-10 19:48:45 and read 3342 times.

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 7):
Any ideas if VN will add service to the US Mainland to connect to DL Hubs (maybe LAX)?
http://www.thanhniennews.com/2010/Pages/20100607180627.aspx


"Vietnam Airlines Corp. said it may start flights to the US as soon as the second half of next year if American and Vietnamese regulatory authorities can reach an agreement.
The state-owned airline applied to American regulatory authorities in 2008 to begin flights from Ho Chi Minh City to Los Angeles via Osaka"


VN also has painted a 332 in ST livery. The result is not pretty IMHO.
http://www.saigon-gpdaily.com.vn/Travel/2010/6/82821/

This bird will be a regular in HAN, DAD, SGN, NRT, KIX, ICN, TPE and soon SIN and MEL.

VN777

Topic: RE: Vietnam Airlines Now Part Of Skyteam
Username: einsteinboricua
Posted 2010-06-10 20:15:18 and read 3259 times.

Quoting gardermoen (Reply 1):
I could be wrong but didn't VN announce its intention to join Skyteam some time during this year only? I swear it was only recently this news was public,

Maybe you were thinking about China Eastern?

Good news for SkyTeam...and TAROM is right around the corner. Any chances for any other airline to join/announce intentions of joining before MU?

CI? MH? Hasn't AH announced intention of meeting SkyTeam criteria to join?

Topic: RE: Vietnam Airlines Now Part Of Skyteam
Username: Asiaflyer
Posted 2010-06-10 22:26:10 and read 3152 times.

Quoting VN777 (Reply 13):
VN also has painted a 332 in ST livery. The result is not pretty IMHO.

Colours has been messed up in that pic. Just look at the blue T7 behind.

Topic: RE: Vietnam Airlines Now Part Of Skyteam
Username: vietcolin
Posted 2010-06-10 23:56:45 and read 3020 times.

Quoting charliecossie (Reply 6):

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 5):
And how do you come to that conclusion?

Years of maintaining their heaps of junk.
Staff that can't spell "punctuality". STD 14:40. ATD sometime later than that.
Pilots that have trouble with even the most basic technical English.
Pilots that like a snooze over Prague.
Fly to a major European airport without carrying a spares kit, joining the IATA technical pool or positioning even a bloody mainwheel with your maintenance provider.
Providing no technical documentation for your maintenance provider because it's all carried on the aircraft. Sometimes.
Pilots that "forget" to write no-go status messages in the log.
Electrically operated seats in business class which fail regularly. Many manual cables broken. Seats sold.
One plane flew for *years* with a third of the seat back video handsets inop. *Years*.

A bloody shower.

What a great inside sharing. More information please!

Topic: RE: Vietnam Airlines Now Part Of Skyteam
Username: cchan
Posted 2010-06-11 00:11:37 and read 2982 times.

Any idea what will happen to their FFP Golden Lotus Plus? In the past, regular (registered) members are not provided with a plastic membership card. To get a membership card, one needs to fly with them at least once per year to qualify for silver, and to requalify each year. The silver card was only valid for 1 year. Now with the other Skyteam members, I guess going without a membership card as a regular member will be a problem?!

Topic: RE: Vietnam Airlines Now Part Of Skyteam
Username: MH017
Posted 2010-06-11 00:29:02 and read 2942 times.

Quoting VN777 (Reply 13):
The result is not pretty IMHO.

Indeed !!! They did a very bad paint-job in MNL  

Moreover, the Vietnam Airlines title is not horizontal (like Skyteam title)...

Hopefully, VN will re-paint VN-A371 soon (with the correct silver coating too: see KL/AF/KE for example)...

Topic: RE: Vietnam Airlines Now Part Of Skyteam
Username: UAL777UK
Posted 2010-06-11 00:37:14 and read 2928 times.

I am not exactly sure what this really brings to the table in terms of significant coverage for ST in Asia but good luck on that front. As noted above your not going to get anybody transitting through Vietnam what with visa restriction and VN itself is hardly an airline steeped in tradiotion of providing great service although I am sure it can only get better, so its SQ, TK etc all the way in my book or CX

Topic: RE: Vietnam Airlines Now Part Of Skyteam
Username: ba319-131
Posted 2010-06-11 01:27:34 and read 2868 times.

Quoting charliecossie (Reply 4):

And hard to imagine a worse airline (although I'm sure there are plenty).


- I had 4 very good flights with them earlier in the year, thought they were pretty good.

Topic: RE: Vietnam Airlines Now Part Of Skyteam
Username: tennis69
Posted 2010-06-11 23:07:09 and read 2538 times.

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 20):
I had 4 very good flights with them earlier in the year, thought they were pretty good

I've had 64 flights with them and another 2 scheduled in July and have nothing bad to say about them. Welcome to ST.

Topic: RE: Vietnam Airlines Now Part Of Skyteam
Username: huaiwei
Posted 2010-06-12 03:13:05 and read 2419 times.

Quoting tennis69 (Reply 21):
I've had 64 flights with them and another 2 scheduled in July and have nothing bad to say about them. Welcome to ST.

If expectations are set pretty low, most flights on the worst airlines on this planet will pass without a single complaint either. 

[Edited 2010-06-12 03:13:27]


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