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Topic: AirAsia X Becomes First LCC To Offer Flatbed Seats
Username: aviationbuff
Posted 2010-06-26 04:56:22 and read 11374 times.

AirAsia X becomes first LCC to offer low-cost flatbed seats

http://www.centreforaviation.com/new...-seats-as-expansion-rolls-on/page1

Quote:
AirAsia X has become the first LCC to offer flatbed seats on its long-haul route network, with the low-cost long-haul carrier claiming that its product "combines the comfort of premium travel with the affordability of no-frills flying". The new Premium FlatBed and economy class seating product was installed this month on its A340 aircraft operating on the Kuala Lumpur-London sector, ahead of a fleet-wide roll out.

Topic: RE: AirAsia X Becomes First LCC To Offer Flatbed Seats
Username: avionpg
Posted 2010-06-26 13:04:27 and read 10986 times.

these look like the seats on MH



so different yet so similar

DAve

[Edited 2010-06-26 13:04:58]

Topic: RE: AirAsia X Becomes First LCC To Offer Flatbed Seats
Username: jayeshrulz
Posted 2010-06-26 13:22:24 and read 10939 times.

Quoting avionpg (Reply 1):

By the way is Finnair, not MH (Malaysia airlines)  

And yes, it is the same company i suppose that makes it.
Correct me if i am wrong  

Topic: RE: AirAsia X Becomes First LCC To Offer Flatbed Seats
Username: LAXDESI
Posted 2010-06-26 13:43:18 and read 10881 times.

Is it close to 170 degree recline? Its nice to have a LCC offer 2 class product on long haul flights. With its high density configuration, it should have a very low CASM on this sector.

Btw, does Air Asia have rights to fly from BKK to India?

Topic: RE: AirAsia X Becomes First LCC To Offer Flatbed Seats
Username: BOACCunard
Posted 2010-06-26 16:07:35 and read 10691 times.

Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 2):
By the way is Finnair, not MH (Malaysia airlines)

That is certainly not a photo of a Finnair cabin. If nothing else, that's a Boeing cabin and Finnair's widebodies are Airbus.

Topic: RE: AirAsia X Becomes First LCC To Offer Flatbed Seats
Username: abrelosojos
Posted 2010-06-26 16:58:09 and read 10634 times.

Isn't that the standard SECMA seat that is there on many carriers ... and one I'm personally not a fan of.

Saludos,
A.

PS: Kinda ironic that Air Asia has the same JCL seats as MH given the later touts its full service nature ...

Topic: RE: AirAsia X Becomes First LCC To Offer Flatbed Seats
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2010-06-26 17:01:06 and read 10622 times.

It's an interesting concept, paying enough for a flat bed, yet still having to buy two separate segments and building your own connection (including schlepping your own bags from flight to flight). I know they're working on a connection product but I'm still not convinced the model that makes Air Asia great is also the model that can support longhaul flying.

Topic: RE: AirAsia X Becomes First LCC To Offer Flatbed Seats
Username: Flying Belgian
Posted 2010-06-27 03:24:20 and read 10245 times.

Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 2):
By the way is Finnair, not MH (Malaysia airlines)

No, it's well MH. Moreover you clearly see it's a B777 cabin.

Topic: RE: AirAsia X Becomes First LCC To Offer Flatbed Seats
Username: jetblue777
Posted 2010-06-27 03:49:54 and read 10157 times.

Quoting avionpg (Reply 1):
these look like the seats on MH

Isn't that KE? I know MH and KE has the same product, but KE's is light blue while MH's is Dark blue

Topic: RE: AirAsia X Becomes First LCC To Offer Flatbed Seats
Username: abrelosojos
Posted 2010-06-27 11:10:14 and read 9839 times.

BTW, I think that is KE as well.

Saludos,
A.

Topic: RE: AirAsia X Becomes First LCC To Offer Flatbed Seats
Username: burj
Posted 2010-06-27 11:49:37 and read 9750 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
It's an interesting concept, paying enough for a flat bed, yet still having to buy two separate segments and building your own connection (including schlepping your own bags from flight to flight). I know they're working on a connection product but I'm still not convinced the model that makes Air Asia great is also the model that can support longhaul flying.

I'd be interested if someone can do a comparison on pricing. If a ticket on a Air Asia X with a flat bed seat can be priced at the sweet spot of more than economy on a full service airline, but much less than a business class ticket on a full service, there will be a market there.

Especially for night flights, there is probably a good sized market of people who want a really cheap ticket, but are willing to pay extra to be able to sleep decently and have a decent amount of space.

Topic: RE: AirAsia X Becomes First LCC To Offer Flatbed Seats
Username: LondonCity
Posted 2010-06-27 14:20:58 and read 9542 times.

Quoting burj (Reply 10):
If a ticket on a Air Asia X with a flat bed seat can be priced at the sweet spot of more than economy on a full service airline, but much less than a business class ticket on a full service, there will be a market there.

I reckon the price will be roughly similar to what a conventional carrier would charge for premium economy.

By the way, the new seats are not true "flat beds" like you find on carriers like BA, VS and SQ (B777-300ER and A380s) In this article dating back to February, one of Air Asia X's executives admitted that "the seat is slightly angled, it's not 180 degrees flat."

Topic: RE: AirAsia X Becomes First LCC To Offer Flatbed Seats
Username: LondonCity
Posted 2010-06-27 14:25:56 and read 9538 times.

Apologies, here's the link to the news article re the new "flat bed" seating:

http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...-air-asiax-seating-for-london-kl-r

Topic: RE: AirAsia X Becomes First LCC To Offer Flatbed Seats
Username: aznmadsci
Posted 2010-06-27 15:27:51 and read 9461 times.

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 12):
Apologies, here's the link to the news article re the new "flat bed" seating:

Did find it interesting that Y is in a 3-3-3. Are there any other airlines that utilizes the 3-3-3 in their A330s or A340s?

Topic: RE: AirAsia X Becomes First LCC To Offer Flatbed Seats
Username: LondonCity
Posted 2010-06-27 15:46:26 and read 9402 times.

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 13):
Are there any other airlines that utilizes the 3-3-3 in their A330s or A340s?

Yes, Air AsiaX has moved from 2-4-2 on its A340s (which were acquired from AC and so they continued with the AC Y class layout) to a denser 3-3-3 configuration.

I don't know if any other A340 operators feature 9-across in Y class but there are one or two A330 charter carriers which have a 9-across layout. One example is the UK carrier Monarch.

Topic: RE: AirAsia X Becomes First LCC To Offer Flatbed Seats
Username: LAXDESI
Posted 2010-06-27 16:06:01 and read 9366 times.

From the linked article in reply 12 by LondonCity:

Economy fares should remain unchanged but Azran Osman Rani confirms that business fares will rise. Speaking to Malaysian newspaper The Star he says, “[Even after the increase] the new [business] fares will be a third of what full service carriers are charging for [normal price] business class. They will be at par with conventional carriers’ [full] economy class fares.”

Topic: RE: AirAsia X Becomes First LCC To Offer Flatbed Seats
Username: VIDP
Posted 2010-06-27 18:03:25 and read 9231 times.

Quoting burj (Reply 10):
I'd be interested if someone can do a comparison on pricing. If a ticket on a Air Asia X with a flat bed seat can be priced at the sweet spot of more than economy on a full service airline, but much less than a business class ticket on a full service, there will be a market there.

It is actually. Although not a great fan of LCC except for the fact that they are now providing awesome connectivity especially Indigo (6E) in india . I was just having a look at the Air Asia X product which is up for launch in August on New Delhi- KUL sector. And they have priced their biz class/lie flat beds far less than what MH is charging for their front product on A333. Cant comment about other routes because of limited information but atleast on this upcoming route we would be seeing a war between two malaysian carriers.

Topic: RE: AirAsia X Becomes First LCC To Offer Flatbed Seats
Username: MAN2SIN2BKK
Posted 2010-06-27 19:22:29 and read 9073 times.

Great to see that they will have flatbeds........... but will they finally serve some wine and a brandy with the meals so that its possible to get a decent night's sleep on the long haul?

Topic: RE: AirAsia X Becomes First LCC To Offer Flatbed Seats
Username: fiscal
Posted 2010-06-27 21:52:39 and read 8901 times.

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 11):
I reckon the price will be roughly similar to what a conventional carrier would charge for premium economy.

On a Perth - London route, it is about $1000 less than QF premium economy, but you will have to stay overnight in KL due to poor connection times on the outbound flights, so knock $300 off for a good nights sleep before you go.

Topic: RE: AirAsia X Becomes First LCC To Offer Flatbed Seats
Username: LondonCity
Posted 2010-06-28 03:31:45 and read 8626 times.

Quoting fiscal (Reply 18):
On a Perth - London route, it is about $1000 less than QF premium economy, but you will have to stay overnight in KL due to poor connection times on the outbound flights, so knock $300 off for a good nights sleep before you go.

That's a significant saving. I reckon that leisure travellers seeking more comfort and space are possible customers for the new Air AsiaX business class between Perth and London via KUL as they could accept an overnight stopover.

Topic: RE: AirAsia X Becomes First LCC To Offer Flatbed Seats
Username: joffie
Posted 2010-06-28 04:32:17 and read 8519 times.

I only paid around 1100 for a return MEL-KUL when they did 20% off. That is about the same as what MH would want for normal Y class. Now tell me, for $3000 what MH wants, how can they compete with this, considering its the same seats.

Topic: RE: AirAsia X Becomes First LCC To Offer Flatbed Seats
Username: ash185
Posted 2010-06-28 04:52:28 and read 8452 times.

Its made and/or designed by the same manufacturer and has just been licensed out for several airlines to use.
TG, KE, MH and some other EU carriers cant remember.
Are these particular seats the ones where people slide down or is that all angled lie-flat seats?

Topic: RE: AirAsia X Becomes First LCC To Offer Flatbed Seats
Username: AFGMEL
Posted 2010-06-28 17:58:20 and read 8078 times.

Hotels in KL are very reasonable. A quick check shows between $100AUD - $150 a night for a four star plus. It's a pity the connections aren't better though.

Topic: RE: AirAsia X Becomes First LCC To Offer Flatbed Seats
Username: Sean-SAN-
Posted 2010-06-28 18:34:49 and read 8053 times.

The more important question is.... do they offer free booze? I can't seem to find any info on their website about that.

Topic: RE: AirAsia X Becomes First LCC To Offer Flatbed Seats
Username: pugsley
Posted 2010-06-28 21:47:19 and read 7917 times.

Quoting Sean-SAN- (Reply 23):
do they offer free booze?

No Free Booze.

They Only offer Beer, White Wine and Red Wine and only on D7 flights for sale.

What you need to remember, D7 is a LCC, and all they are offering is a premium seat with more space, NOT a premium service.

http://www.airasia.com/au/en/myflights/snackattack.html

This page lists all the menu options. Its only RM12 (AUD$4.25, US$3.75) for a beer and RM18(AUD$6.35, US$5.58) for wine. Its so cheap, just by one with the money you save on the ticket.


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