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Topic: DL DC-9 MSP-SLC When Does It Start?
Username: c5load
Posted 2010-07-13 16:32:32 and read 4563 times.

My father said he heard through the grapevine that DL was starting DC-9 service from MSP-SLC. Can anyone confirm this and, if so, when does it start? Will this be a seasonal route in the summer, b/c I didn't think the -9 had the legs for that route especially in the winter. I also thought it wasn't the best for high altitude airports, hence the reason the MD-90 used to hang out west and the -88 would hang out east.

Topic: RE: DL DC-9 MSP-SLC When Does It Start?
Username: srbmod
Posted 2010-07-13 16:55:50 and read 4517 times.

Sounds like someone in the grapevine might be confusing the DC-9 with the CRJ-900, as I've checked multiple dates from now until the end of the year using the DL flight schedules desktop program. On the DL flight schedules program, they list the CRJ-900 as a CR9, so perhaps someone may have confused CR9 with DC9.

[Edited 2010-07-13 16:56:22]

Topic: RE: DL DC-9 MSP-SLC When Does It Start?
Username: mtnwest1979
Posted 2010-07-13 17:09:44 and read 4467 times.

Quoting c5load (Thread starter):
Will this be a seasonal route in the summer, b/c I didn't think the -9 had the legs for that route especially in the winter.

When NW started MSP-BOI , they used the D9S. They used it for quite awhile prior to switching to 72S. Can't say if they kept the -9 thru winter, didn't keep that close tabs on them.
They began BOI in May, so they may have gone to 27s by winter time.

Topic: RE: DL DC-9 MSP-SLC When Does It Start?
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2010-07-13 17:11:34 and read 4461 times.

Sorry, no DC-9s going to SLC.

As said, someone heard "9" but in reality it is the XJ CR9 between MSP-SLC, more or less to bridge aircraft between the hubs.

Topic: RE: DL DC-9 MSP-SLC When Does It Start?
Username: c5load
Posted 2010-07-13 17:21:21 and read 4435 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 3):
Sorry, no DC-9s going to SLC.

As said, someone heard "9" but in reality it is the XJ CR9 between MSP-SLC, more or less to bridge aircraft between the hubs

Do pilots hear different things about the goings on in the company more than other people? Reason I ask, my father is a DC-9 pilot and wasn't sure if he had heard something preliminary that other workers might not hear about? The conversation I had with him about this was back on 4 Jul, so I can't remember specifics, but I remember asking him about being out that far west and he had said not to SLC. I just tried calling him again, but he must be on a trip. This is irking me now.

Topic: RE: DL DC-9 MSP-SLC When Does It Start?
Username: sunking737
Posted 2010-07-13 17:33:04 and read 4378 times.

DL service between SLC - MSP started way back when SLC was Western Airlines Hub. As far as A/C type flying was 727 & 737.s..........Currently I have not a clue to type.

Topic: RE: DL DC-9 MSP-SLC When Does It Start?
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2010-07-13 17:59:53 and read 4318 times.

MSP-SLC service right now is a mix of aircraft:
1x CR9
2X M90
2x 320
1x 757

I'm about 100% certain they are not flying DC-9s to SLC, now or future.
About as far west as the DC-9 is scheduled to go is DFW these days.

There were a few repositioning/ferry flights in the end of June for some parked DC-9-30s from MZJ-SFB since the -30's are being broken up in Orlando.

Topic: RE: DL DC-9 MSP-SLC When Does It Start?
Username: deltal1011man
Posted 2010-07-13 18:07:14 and read 4295 times.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 1):
Sounds like someone in the grapevine might be confusing the DC-9 with the CRJ-900, as I've checked multiple dates from now until the end of the year using the DL flight schedules desktop program. On the DL flight schedules program, they list the CRJ-900 as a CR9, so perhaps someone may have confused CR9 with DC9.

Or M90. But no DC9s.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 6):

Looks like its only 1x 320 and 1x 73H(on top of 2x 90 1x 57 1x CR9). Then in Sep. the 737 gets replaced by a 57. Then around the end of the month on of the 90s gets replaced by a 37.

[Edited 2010-07-13 18:08:11]

Topic: RE: DL DC-9 MSP-SLC When Does It Start?
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2010-07-13 18:09:46 and read 4290 times.

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 7):
Looks like its only 1x 320 and 1x 73H(on top of 2x 90 1x 57 1x CR9). Then in Sep. the 737 gets replaced by a 57. Then around the end of the month on of the 90s gets replaced by a 37.

I just looked at the MSP-SLC schedule for today. It varies between MSP-SLC and SLC-MSP and it changes almost every month.

Topic: RE: DL DC-9 MSP-SLC When Does It Start?
Username: ABQopsHP
Posted 2010-07-13 18:10:47 and read 4275 times.

The MSP-SLC leg was a holdover from the RC (Republic 1) merger. RC had 2 flights a day from MSP, that continued on to RNO, and the primary equipment they used was the DC9-10 series. We (CO) shared concourse A with them, and since I am a big fan of the DC9 I would take time to watch them come thru. During the summer of 86, I recall them having weight restriction problems on the SLC-MSP departure, both the morning and afternoon flight. On a few occasions the flight would take off to the south and make a wide sweeping turn around to the west, then back north and once they had altitude, cross over the Wasatch mountains to the east. I knew they were not going to have a good day when I would hear their ops agent grumble, that a basic 9 was coming their way. And true to form, watching that baby lumber down the runway was a sight every time. I know sometimes they would make a fuel stop downline, DEN and RAP were the ones they used most often. If im not mistaking the photographer Jim Lawrence worked for RC/NW in SLC.

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Topic: RE: DL DC-9 MSP-SLC When Does It Start?
Username: n901wa
Posted 2010-07-13 18:13:08 and read 4263 times.

I don't know if the pilot groups hear more rumors more than others. But I know some pilots like to start rumors to see how far the go. I know a pilot that told a ramp guy that Delta was bring back the L-1011 with only 2 engines installed and nbr 2 covered over. He told the guy that he saw them at a Mod center. I felt bad for the ramp guy, because I was going to let him down easy, but my fellow amt blurted out "are you that stupid" A lot of good stories come from the small room up front   That's ok, because a lot of stories come from us too  

Topic: RE: DL DC-9 MSP-SLC When Does It Start?
Username: mayor
Posted 2010-07-14 14:00:43 and read 3928 times.

Quoting ABQopsHP (Reply 9):
The MSP-SLC leg was a holdover from the RC (Republic 1) merger.

And also, as stated earlier, it was also a Western route acquired in the DL/WA merger.



I doubt if you'll see a DC-9 operating out of SLC for DL, especially in the summer. Just not a good high altitude a/c. AA used to have to block seats on its MD-82s on the SLC-JAC runs in the summer. Luckily, we were running 737-300s and had no problem.

Topic: RE: DL DC-9 MSP-SLC When Does It Start?
Username: WesternA318
Posted 2010-07-14 14:38:50 and read 3864 times.

Quoting mayor (Reply 11):
AA used to have to block seats on its MD-82s on the SLC-JAC runs in the summer.

Wow, even on a short route like that? Incredible...

Topic: RE: DL DC-9 MSP-SLC When Does It Start?
Username: mayor
Posted 2010-07-14 14:53:14 and read 3842 times.

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 12):
Wow, even on a short route like that? Incredible...

Now that I think back, I believe AA may have been tankering fuel to JAC because the cost was higher in JAC. So they blocked seats to enable them to do that, but the high altitude came into play there, also. They were unable to tanker fuel with a full load of pax because of the altitude.

Topic: RE: DL DC-9 MSP-SLC When Does It Start?
Username: WesternA318
Posted 2010-07-16 10:24:04 and read 3499 times.

Quoting mayor (Reply 13):
Now that I think back, I believe AA may have been tankering fuel to JAC because the cost was higher in JAC. So they blocked seats to enable them to do that, but the high altitude came into play there, also. They were unable to tanker fuel with a full load of pax because of the altitude.

Didnt AA used to send a DC-10 back in the day into SLC as well?

Topic: RE: DL DC-9 MSP-SLC When Does It Start?
Username: mayor
Posted 2010-07-16 10:51:51 and read 3470 times.

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 14):
Didnt AA used to send a DC-10 back in the day into SLC as well?

I don't remember ever seeing a scheduled AA DC-10 at SLC, but I didn't get there until '82. I know that TW had a scheduled L-1011 from STL.

Topic: RE: DL DC-9 MSP-SLC When Does It Start?
Username: WesternA318
Posted 2010-07-16 11:14:56 and read 3442 times.

Quoting mayor (Reply 15):
I don't remember ever seeing a scheduled AA DC-10 at SLC, but I didn't get there until '82. I know that TW had a scheduled L-1011 from STL.

I've seen a pic of one at the University of Utah's photo library, the caption said it just arrived on AA's inaugural ORD-SLC flight, so I'm presuming this was before deregulation?

Topic: RE: DL DC-9 MSP-SLC When Does It Start?
Username: mayor
Posted 2010-07-16 13:29:51 and read 3365 times.

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 16):
I've seen a pic of one at the University of Utah's photo library, the caption said it just arrived on AA's inaugural ORD-SLC flight, so I'm presuming this was before deregulation?

Possibly.......AA was running ORD-SLC when I was working at ORD in the 70s. The largest, scheduled a/c that I can remember AA operating at SLC when I was there was the 727-200.

Topic: RE: DL DC-9 MSP-SLC When Does It Start?
Username: WesternA318
Posted 2010-07-16 13:42:37 and read 3342 times.

Quoting mayor (Reply 17):
The largest, scheduled a/c that I can remember AA operating at SLC when I was there was the 727-200.

That's what I aways saw in SLC in the mornings when dropping either parent or I myself was flying on TWA to Greece. Then the MD-80's took over, and the 72S's did the occasional flight to DFW until 2000-2001? Any idea if the 738's will replace the MD-80's out here anytime soon?

Topic: RE: DL DC-9 MSP-SLC When Does It Start?
Username: mayor
Posted 2010-07-16 20:51:19 and read 3200 times.

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 18):
Any idea if the 738's will replace the MD-80's out here anytime soon?

I couldn't tell ya. I'm retired at FSM, now.

Topic: RE: DL DC-9 MSP-SLC When Does It Start?
Username: slcpdxatl
Posted 2010-07-17 15:08:05 and read 3000 times.

Quoting mayor (Reply 15):
I don't remember ever seeing a scheduled AA DC-10 at SLC, but I didn't get there until '82. I know that TW had a scheduled L-1011 from STL.

My family bought tickets to Denver on that TWA L-1011, at that time (mid 80's) it was a SLC-DEN-STL routing. Did they ever fly the L-1011 non stop from SLC to STL? I still remember the crazy cheap fare sale they had, $19 each way.

Topic: RE: DL DC-9 MSP-SLC When Does It Start?
Username: mayor
Posted 2010-07-17 15:33:55 and read 2978 times.

Quoting slcpdxatl (Reply 20):
My family bought tickets to Denver on that TWA L-1011, at that time (mid 80's) it was a SLC-DEN-STL routing. Did they ever fly the L-1011 non stop from SLC to STL? I still remember the crazy cheap fare sale they had, $19 each way.

I don't know what the actual routing was but I know STL was in there, somewhere.

Topic: RE: DL DC-9 MSP-SLC When Does It Start?
Username: WesternA318
Posted 2010-07-17 16:31:42 and read 2941 times.

Quoting slcpdxatl (Reply 20):
My family bought tickets to Denver on that TWA L-1011, at that time (mid 80's) it was a SLC-DEN-STL routing. Did they ever fly the L-1011 non stop from SLC to STL? I still remember the crazy cheap fare sale they had, $19 each way.

It was also sometimes used on SLC-STL-JFK or SLC-DEN-STL-JFK. Management before Icahn couldnt figure out what they wanted SLC to do, feed STL or JFK.

Topic: RE: DL DC-9 MSP-SLC When Does It Start?
Username: dldtw1962
Posted 2010-07-17 16:53:14 and read 2913 times.

Has anyone noticed that XJ planes are hitting SLC alot. Is this going to be a perminit thing? Because I thought they where only a Midwest/East coast airline.

Chuck


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