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Topic: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: ojas
Posted 2010-08-12 10:24:50 and read 12734 times.

According to the GDS, EK 414/415 will be terminated from the winter schedule (coinciding with the start of new IAH, LAX flights)

With that EK will have 2 daily flights from DXB and SYD, one non stop and via BKK.

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: airceo
Posted 2010-08-12 10:27:09 and read 12736 times.

Is this a temporary move or permanent? Seems weird that an airline that fought tooth and nail for Australia is now taking a step backwards.

airceo

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: miaintl
Posted 2010-08-12 10:29:36 and read 12715 times.

This is in response to the increase in service to IAH and LAX. EK does not have the planes for all these routes.

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: EddieDude
Posted 2010-08-12 10:39:14 and read 12638 times.

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
With that EK will have 2 daily flights from DXB and SYD, one non stop and via BKK.

What planes are used for these flights? A345 or 77L for the nonstop?

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: migair54
Posted 2010-08-12 10:50:07 and read 12579 times.

Why are they using A345 to DAR, usually was a B777 but now is A345

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: ojas
Posted 2010-08-12 11:14:41 and read 12464 times.

Emirates operations to Australia/ New Zealand will look like this from winter 2010.

(i) DXB - SYD

* EK 412/413 daily A380 DXB-SYD-AKL

* EK 418/419 daily B77W DXB-BKK-SYD-CHC

(ii) DXB - MEL

* EK 406/407 daily non stop B77W DXB-MEL-AKL

* EK 408/409 daily B77W DXB-KUL-MEL

* EK 404/405 daily B77W DXB-SIN-MEL

(iii) DXB - BNE

* EK 432/433 daily non stop B77W DXB-SIN-BNE

* EK 434/435 daily A345 DXB-BNE-AKL

(iv) DXB - PER

* EK 420/421 daily non stop B77L DXB - PER

* EK 424/425 daily non stop B77L DXB - PER

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: EddieDude
Posted 2010-08-12 11:38:10 and read 12329 times.

Oh great. Thanks!

Any chance EK might launch flights to ADL in the future?

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: eta unknown
Posted 2010-08-12 18:18:30 and read 11555 times.

Given the SYD arrival/departure times that allowed for no connection traffic and the high aircraft parking cost, I'm inclined to think this particular flight was a dud outside peak season and the pax numbers simply weren't there. I note the flight isn't being replaced with an intermediate stop service, and there are plenty of non 77L aircraft in the EK fleet that are available.

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: alangirvan
Posted 2010-08-12 18:48:13 and read 11469 times.

The cancelled flight did operate at strange times, though maybe it made more sense fitting into a connecting bank at DXB. I think I remember that one of their new European routes - Prague oerates at strange times, because DXB is so crowded. A route like Prague would depend on connections to/from Australia, so will Prague be attractive if passengers are now faced with a long connecting time in DXB?

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2010-08-12 22:37:05 and read 11056 times.

It is not unexpected, and was actually predicted by myself and many others at the time the 3rd flight was added.

They had already added an a380 flight, then tried a 3rd frequency also. It flooded the market with more and more seats.

Its strange they have not tried another option, like they did in MEL with the 3rd frequency (Non-stop MEL-DXB became MEL-KUL-DXB).

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2010-08-12 22:41:49 and read 11031 times.

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 7):
Given the SYD arrival/departure times that allowed for no connection traffic and the high aircraft parking cost, I'm inclined to think this particular flight was a dud outside peak season and the pax numbers simply weren't there. I note the flight isn't being replaced with an intermediate stop service, and there are plenty of non 77L aircraft in the EK fleet that are available.

The inconvenient flight times were also the downfall of the 3rd frequency in MEL, so they ahd to work on a solution.

Things must have been very bad not to try a re-routing via an Asian destination. I guess with the A380, it will be, in relative terms, 2.5 flights anyway, wheras it was 3.5 in the past. The amount of capacity is high with the use of the largest aircraft possible.

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: eta unknown
Posted 2010-08-12 22:44:15 and read 11009 times.

And there's a rumor going around EK the KUL stop may be replaced with BOM!

Now that Air Asia is on the scene in MEL, we have MH operating the non-daily additional flight via CGK, so you really wonder about all this capacity in the marketplace... a 773 is a big beast to fill. And TG is axing it's daily SYD-BNE triangle flight.

Perhaps CX have it right- lots of frequency, but limited to A330/A340s.

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: LAXDESI
Posted 2010-08-12 22:56:30 and read 10961 times.

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 11):
And there's a rumor going around EK the KUL stop may be replaced with BOM!

Does EK have beyond rights from BOM? If yes, I am sure EK can make it work.

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2010-08-12 23:03:38 and read 10936 times.

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 11):
And there's a rumor going around EK the KUL stop may be replaced with BOM!

Now that Air Asia is on the scene in MEL, we have MH operating the non-daily additional flight via CGK, so you really wonder about all this capacity in the marketplace... a 773 is a big beast to fill. And TG is axing it's daily SYD-BNE triangle flight.

Perhaps CX have it right- lots of frequency, but limited to A330/A340s.

BOM already has AI lined up on that route, so it could be hard to get that one to be a success for both, but who knows.

MH is now back to 2 daily MEL-KUL. The CGK was a short term thing that has now ended. EK has reported decent loads on the KUL-MEL flights in past interviews, not saying anything though if the yields are good, so its hard to tell how things are going on the KUL-MEL route for all 3 carriers (MH, EK, D7).

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: ojas
Posted 2010-08-12 23:10:06 and read 10903 times.

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 12):
Does EK have beyond rights from BOM? If yes, I am sure EK can make it work.

No EK does not. In fact the Gulf carriers do not have 5th rights beyond India.

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: afterburner
Posted 2010-08-12 23:12:00 and read 10903 times.

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 11):
we have MH operating the non-daily additional flight via CGK

MH's KUL-CGK-MEL route has been closed (I believe due to inconvenient schedule and the competition from GA who opened CGK-MEL nonstop route).

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: LAXDESI
Posted 2010-08-12 23:19:07 and read 10849 times.

Quoting ojas (Reply 14):
No EK does not. In fact the Gulf carriers do not have 5th rights beyond India.

Thanks. That's what I thought.

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2010-08-12 23:22:18 and read 10836 times.

Quoting ojas (Reply 14):
No EK does not. In fact the Gulf carriers do not have 5th rights beyond India.

If thats the case, that rumour seems extremely far off course.

They will do better staying on the KUL stop over option.

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: gardermoen
Posted 2010-08-13 05:19:23 and read 9888 times.

With EK reducing SYD to 2 daily, how will the Australian government consider any future requests for more landing rights? Aren't EK constantly pressing the govt for more rights into Australia?
I don't think they will be looked at favourably if they do something like this.

In rgds to MEL, I agree the third flight has totally uncivilized hours , especially with the departure ex MEL at 2.40am (3.10 am in summer?). I have also heard that the MEL-KUL market is doing quite ok for them already.
I would have thougth that timings of something like this would have worked quite well instead:

Dep DXB 6pm ish
Arr MEL 1pmish
Dep MEL 3pm ish
Arr DXB 9pm ish

These times surely can tie up with key Gulf/European ports.

Would have also thougtht they might give ADL a go with a daily A330 service, but it seems that none of the major gulfies are that brave!

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: EK773
Posted 2010-08-13 05:53:52 and read 9620 times.

Quoting gardermoen (Reply 18):
Dep DXB 6pm ish

There is absolutely no feed into a 18:00 departure time from DXB. Its got to be the quietest part of the day at Dubai Airport in terms on EK operations. All European flights arrive between 23:30-01:30 and 06:00-07:30.

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2010-08-13 06:55:20 and read 9194 times.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 9):
They had already added an a380 flight, then tried a 3rd frequency also. It flooded the market with more and more seats.

I doubt anyone is making money off the SYD Kangaroo scraps at this point.

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: AeroplaneFreak
Posted 2010-08-13 07:08:07 and read 9072 times.

Surely EK will be putting the A380 on one of the MEL routes soon.

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: sydaircargo
Posted 2010-08-13 09:10:56 and read 8345 times.

a while ago there where talking of bringing 4 daily to SYD , one direct, one via BKK, one via KUL
and one via CMB

hope they bring the flight back or at least put a 77f for all the cargo on the route

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: KissK
Posted 2010-08-13 13:26:17 and read 7698 times.

The B77L removed from the SYD & AMS sectors goes to LAX and IAH

The B77W removed (replaced by the 388) from JFK goes to AMS.

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: tayser
Posted 2010-08-13 17:33:29 and read 7484 times.

The horrible departure of the 3rd frequency out of MEL isn't out of the ordinary - although it's the latest departure on any given night, it is one of 9 flights to depart after 10:30pm:

EY461 MEL-AUH 22:15
QF29 MEL-HKG-LHR 20:50
QR31 MEL-DOH 23:05
TG462 MEL-BKK 23:30
CX168 MEL-HKG 23:45
SQ218 MEL-SIN 00:05
MH128 MEL-KUL 00:15
D72723 MEL-KUL 00:45
EK409 MEL-KUL-DXB 02:45

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 13):
BOM already has AI lined up on that route

AI: DEL-MEL not BOM-MEL

Quoting ojas (Reply 14):
No EK does not. In fact the Gulf carriers do not have 5th rights beyond India.

If that's the case, that's the only thing stopping them (UAE-India bilateral) - from the Australia-UAE side of things, UAE carriers are unrestricted on points that can be used to get to Australia in South and South East Asia: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/other/dfat/treaties/2005/8.html

link to the Australia-India treaty which is similarly unrestricted for Australian and Indian airlines: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/other/dfat/treaties/2007/8.html

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2010-08-13 22:27:42 and read 7396 times.

Quoting tayser (Reply 24):
AI: DEL-MEL not BOM-MEL

So true. Sorry, forgot about that.

Still, with no India-Australia n/s to 2, at a similar time, especially with no chance of EK getting any onward pax rights, seems hard to see happening.

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2010-08-14 00:56:49 and read 7311 times.

Quoting gardermoen (Reply 18):
Dep DXB 6pm ish
Arr MEL 1pmish
Dep MEL 3pm ish
Arr DXB 9pm ish

Shockingly poor connection opportunities would exist with that.

Based on a departure from DXB about 6pm - realistically, no European connections and very minimal elsewhere.

Based on an arrival in DXB about 9pm - no convenient European connections and very few elsewhere.

The reason its 0245 flight exists is because it arrives DXB at 1pm, thereby enabling easy, quick connections to a selection of places, mainly in Europe.

Its 0245 departure from MEL would have departed DXB at 0315 the day before. This therefore offers many, many connection opportunities, for example from Europe and the Middle East.

Remember, EK is principally a connections-based airline.

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: Flying Belgian
Posted 2010-08-14 01:01:54 and read 7501 times.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 9):
They had already added an a380 flight, then tried a 3rd frequency also. It flooded the market with more and more seats.

And yet ALL flights to Australia are full full full for september and october with and when a few seats are availiable it's at crazy fares !!!

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: EK413
Posted 2010-08-14 01:06:14 and read 7479 times.

Quoting airceo (Reply 1):
Is this a temporary move or permanent? Seems weird that an airline that fought tooth and nail for Australia is now taking a step backwards.

Agree... Topping it off would be the 6am slot...

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 3):
What planes are used for these flights? A345 or 77L for the nonstop?

77L..

Quoting ojas (Reply 5):
(i) DXB - SYD

* EK 412/413 daily A380 DXB-SYD-AKL

* EK 418/419 daily B77W DXB-BKK-SYD-CHC

(ii) DXB - MEL

* EK 406/407 daily non stop B77W DXB-MEL-AKL

* EK 408/409 daily B77W DXB-KUL-MEL

* EK 404/405 daily B77W DXB-SIN-MEL

Very interesting MEL continue with the 3 daily services and SYD double daily... Would the curfew have anything to do with this decision...

EK413

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: Scotron11
Posted 2010-08-14 01:57:09 and read 7384 times.

I can see the 777LR cancellation eventually reinstated with an A380 if they can change the schedule a little. Most european flights arrive DXB in the midnight to 1 am window...so if they could have the SYD flight leaving at 3am instead of 2.15am...would be a lot more convenient.

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: FlyLonghaul
Posted 2010-08-14 18:21:53 and read 6859 times.

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 27):
And yet ALL flights to Australia are full full full for september and october with and when a few seats are availiable it's at crazy fares !!!

I should be flying GLA-DXB-SYD Sept 26th and its the cheapest option available, 450 GBP O/W, its around the same price from London also.
Perhaps you were refering to the premium market?

Only downside is that for that price I do have to spend 10 hours in DXB. I have done it before and was'nt to bad.
I haven't ever tried to go into the city before though, can anyone tell me if its possible?

Cheers

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2010-08-14 21:10:03 and read 6682 times.

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 27):
And yet ALL flights to Australia are full full full for september and october with and when a few seats are availiable it's at crazy fares !!!

Not sure what you are looking at, but its clear that the LF% was not at its desired level, and yields were definately not suffiecent enough. For quite a while EK has struggled on its 3rd frequency, so I guess they thought that the time was right to cut their losses, and concentrate on the A380 non-stop flight.

The early morning departures, on the non-stop flights, have been found to be the less prefered option for pax, so trying to fill seats needed decent discounts to generate demand. The daytime/evening departures have been much more successful for EK.

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: tullamarine
Posted 2010-08-15 01:04:52 and read 6485 times.

The absence of a curfew in MEL makes it much easier for EK compared with SYD. EK (and othere Middle Eastern operators) are able to get great connections through their hubs by having departures from MEL near or after midnight. ADL's curfews have probably deterred many of the Middle Eastern operators even attempting to start routes from this cityeven though it may support a service using a plane like an A345 or 77L.

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: aerokiwi
Posted 2010-08-15 02:52:20 and read 6334 times.

Quoting FlyLonghaul (Reply 30):
I haven't ever tried to go into the city before though, can anyone tell me if its possible?

I wouldn't recommend it. I've tried, twice, and aside from the oppressive heat and appalling traffic, the public transport links are (or at least, were) pretty abysmal. Then there's the sad fact that there doesn't appear to be a city centre, or much to do outside of shopping (indoor malls) and hotel complexes.

My advice - try and land yourself access to a frequent flyer lounge of some kind. Does Dubai have a pay-as-you-go facility?

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: directorguy
Posted 2010-08-15 05:50:00 and read 6075 times.

Quoting FlyLonghaul (Reply 30):
Only downside is that for that price I do have to spend 10 hours in DXB. I have done it before and was'nt to bad.
I haven't ever tried to go into the city before though, can anyone tell me if its possible?

If it's an overnight connection, wouldn't recommend it. If it's during the day, then yeah go for it. The Dubai Metro will take you from T3 to a number of malls-City Center, Mall of the Emirates and Dubai Mall would take around 45 mins max (City Center would be just 2 stops away from T3). You get a new stamp in your passport and you get to say you've been to Dubai.

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: incitatus
Posted 2010-08-15 08:51:13 and read 5853 times.

Quoting EK773 (Reply 19):
There is absolutely no feed into a 18:00 departure time from DXB. Its got to be the quietest part of the day at Dubai Airport in terms on EK operations.

And hottest.....

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 20):
I doubt anyone is making money off the SYD Kangaroo scraps at this point.

Also points to there being only so much EK capacity markets can absorb. Worrying times for EK with many more large aircraft on order. To top it off QR is ramping up growth and willing to do almost anything to enter new markets or add capacity.

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: smi0006
Posted 2010-08-15 09:25:03 and read 5811 times.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 33):
My advice - try and land yourself access to a frequent flyer lounge of some kind. Does Dubai have a pay-as-you-go facility?

The Marhaba lounge can be access for 20AUD I believe!

I must confess I still am amazed that EK does so well, with it's one stop options to Australia from Dubai via Asia. The 77Ws that fly these routes have the old J class seat much inferrior to that found on the A340s, and yet many pax still travel right the way through from DXB or in the oposite direction from MEL. Are there any plans to install new J-class seats? The current ones appear on the same level as CXs regional seats, and inferrior to SQs new regional ones....

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: FlyLonghaul
Posted 2010-08-15 14:55:53 and read 5613 times.

Quoting directorguy (Reply 34):

If it's an overnight connection, would'nt recommend it. If it's during the day, then yeah go for it.

Sadly it is a night time stop. Just after midnight until about 10:30
I had heard previously that there were a few nice bars there, as i'll be travelling with a mate, i thought we could grab a few quick drinks to kill the time and have the added benefit of getting to say i've been there  
I was looking at perhaps just getting lounge access (Unfortunately not a high tier member of a program that would allow this... yet) they seem to only allow 3-4 hours though. Perhaps just go for the last part of the stop to freshen up.

It will be interesting to see what EK does in Australia after the winter schedule. I'm still hoping to hear BNE announced as an upgrade to 380   Last time I flew DXB-BNE it was a packed flight. Obviously a big jump from 345 to 380, but it would be nice, the 345 for a 14 hour sector is awful in Y

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: alangirvan
Posted 2010-08-15 16:04:13 and read 5526 times.

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 32):
The absence of a curfew in MEL makes it much easier for EK compared with SYD. EK (and othere Middle Eastern operators) are able to get great connections through their hubs by having departures from MEL near or after midnight

This is a problem for any airline that arrives into SYD during the evening. Whereas planes that arrive into MEL during the evening can depart just after midnight, the planes are stuck in SYD until early the next morning - like Cathay and SQ.

I know airlines have moved away from serving two Australian ports on the same flight, but one solution might be to go DXB-SYD-BNE-DXB, with the plane leaving SYD just before curfew. This works for airlines like Malaysian.

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: directorguy
Posted 2010-08-15 16:30:38 and read 5470 times.

Quoting FlyLonghaul (Reply 37):
I had heard previously that there were a few nice bars there, as i'll be travelling with a mate, i thought we could grab a few quick drinks to kill the time and have the added benefit of getting to say i've been there

Well the Metro won't be working at night so you'll have to pay a bit more and use taxis. Great news is there'll be no traffic whatsoever to deal with.

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: eta unknown
Posted 2010-08-15 18:03:40 and read 5374 times.

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 38):
the planes are stuck in SYD until early the next morning - like Cathay and SQ.

almost right... all CX SYD flights turn around in SYD and go straight back to HKG.

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2010-08-15 20:52:05 and read 5255 times.

Quoting incitatus (Reply 35):
Also points to there being only so much EK capacity markets can absorb. Worrying times for EK with many more large aircraft on order. To top it off QR is ramping up growth and willing to do almost anything to enter new markets or add capacity.

It is certainly very concerning for them.

Given the fact that MEL has EK, QR and EY, it leaves them little room to move there, while they can build on BNE, as they are the dominant M/E player there.

SYD seems to be a bigger struggle, which is unusual, and it is clear now that Qatar's CEO was right about that market, in that he said it was saturated and they were likely to look elsewhere.

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 38):
I know airlines have moved away from serving two Australian ports on the same flight, but one solution might be to go DXB-SYD-BNE-DXB, with the plane leaving SYD just before curfew. This works for airlines like Malaysian.

MH have delinked BNE and SYD. TG have also made similar moves.

The move away from such links have been going on for quite a while, as they are not competitive offerings, especially as soon as there are other carriers on the route/s.

Quoting FlyLonghaul (Reply 37):
It will be interesting to see what EK does in Australia after the winter schedule. I'm still hoping to hear BNE announced as an upgrade to 380 Last time I flew DXB-BNE it was a packed flight. Obviously a big jump from 345 to 380, but it would be nice, the 345 for a 14 hour sector is awful in Y

I actually found the 345 a better Y product than the 77W when I took both. The 380 is a premium heavy plane (F and J), so it will be interesting to see if they can fill those, plus the Y seats, at a decent yield, into BNE.

Filling such a large plane into MEL, with the other 2 1-stop services remaining, seems like a hard one to fill, at a decent yield, especially with the EY and QR competition.

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2010-08-16 10:14:52 and read 4928 times.

Quoting KissK (Reply 23):
The B77L removed from the SYD & AMS sectors goes to LAX and IAH

The B77W removed (replaced by the 388) from JFK goes to AMS.

Very interesting. Thank you. So much for EK buying too many aircraft if they have to cancel routes for expansion. I'm not saying that the 3rd flight to SYD was profitable (considering the Profit margins of EK, very believable that a serious amount of 'route optimization' is required). My point is that there are a number of routes that would be profitable and probably make the 'system' more profitable overall.

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 32):
The absence of a curfew in MEL makes it much easier for EK compared with SYD.

I would agree. It might be that EK has little viable option out of SYD excluding 2X A388 per day or perhaps 3X with two flights 'stacked' on each other? Note I'm asking. I'd be curious to learn from those who have analyzed the connection times.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: EK773
Posted 2010-08-16 13:20:18 and read 4775 times.

Best option for another SYD departure would be to mimic the EY timing of 15:50/23:40. A midnight DXB arrival still has connections to LHR/LGW/BEY/JNB with the opportunity for domestic feed in SYD. Getting the aircraft to SYD is still another issue. The current 01:40 departure from DXB is ideal with all of the European feed and avoids the 8-10hour transit waiting for 418/412. Guess it would be too expensive to keep the current 414 schedule which arrives in SYD at 22:30 and park the aircraft in SYD till a 15:50 departure the next day. Hmmm

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: jupiter2
Posted 2010-08-16 16:59:22 and read 4630 times.

Can only believe it is purely a shortage of aircraft affecting this flight. I recently spoke to the boss of the limo company which has the contract with EK for the first and business class limo pick ups, he said that these flights, the late arrival and early departure flights from SYD, where his best business. I don't know if this is because of the flight timings that it is difficult for the pax to get there under there own means, but if you have paid the fare, you would be expected to use this complimentry service.

There has been comment on another forum that this service will return at the beginning of the new year with a 77W, but this is not in the EK system at present.

RL.

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2010-08-16 19:25:25 and read 4550 times.

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 44):
Can only believe it is purely a shortage of aircraft affecting this flight. I recently spoke to the boss of the limo company which has the contract with EK for the first and business class limo pick ups, he said that these flights, the late arrival and early departure flights from SYD, where his best business. I don't know if this is because of the flight timings that it is difficult for the pax to get there under there own means, but if you have paid the fare, you would be expected to use this complimentry service.

There has been comment on another forum that this service will return at the beginning of the new year with a 77W, but this is not in the EK system at present.

Sorry but I do not buy this at all.

One mans personal experience does not fill a plane, particularly when yields are taken into account 

If it was doing well, they would have kept it on somehow. The sole reason to take it away to put the planes on another route just says what the priority level, and current performance, really is.

It could be a long time until it is seem again, based on talk going on atm in the industry..

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: EK413
Posted 2010-08-17 01:22:23 and read 4360 times.

Quoting Scotron11 (Reply 29):
so if they could have the SYD flight leaving at 3am instead of 2.15am...would be a lot more convenient.

I believe the 2:15am schedule is due to the SYD curfew...

EK413

Topic: RE: EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily
Username: eta unknown
Posted 2010-08-17 04:04:47 and read 4198 times.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 45):
If it was doing well, they would have kept it on somehow. The sole reason to take it away to put the planes on another route just says what the priority level, and current performance, really is.

+1
with EK's huge fleet, I find it hard to believe they couldn't find a substitute aircraft or slightly re-time the flights with an intermediate stop.


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