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Topic: AA And Alaska Plan Mexico Codeshares
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2010-09-02 17:21:27 and read 5127 times.

American and Alaska Airlines today filed with the DOT to broaden their code-share partnership to include US-Mexico transborder routes.
AA proposes to place its code on the following city-pairs operated by Alaska Airlines, and/or Horizon Air.

Los Angeles-Mexico City
Los Angeles-Guadalajara
Los Angeles-La Paz
Los Angeles-Loreto
Los Angeles-Mazatlan
Los Angeles-Zihuatanejo
Los Angeles-Manzanillo
Los Angeles-Puerto Vallarta
San Diego-Puerto Vallarta
San Francisco-Puerto Vallarta

OST-2010-TBA


Seems like an easy and quick response to loosing Mexicana.

[Edited 2010-09-02 18:21:31]

Topic: RE: AA And Alaska Plan Code-share To Mexico
Username: as739x
Posted 2010-09-02 18:01:11 and read 5030 times.

Interesting, no Cabo (SJD) flights!

Topic: RE: AA And Alaska Plan Mexico Codeshares
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2010-09-02 18:23:31 and read 4972 times.

Well with American serving LAX-SJD themselves, probably don't want to be giving away traffic and revenue to AS needlessly.

Topic: RE: AA And Alaska Plan Mexico Codeshares
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2010-09-02 18:30:47 and read 4957 times.

Quoting as739x (Reply 1):
Interesting, no Cabo (SJD) flights!

Yes, but AA operates LAX-SJD twice daily, so why compete with itself?

Topic: RE: AA And Alaska Plan Mexico Codeshares
Username: WA707atMSP
Posted 2010-09-03 06:29:56 and read 4527 times.

This should put an end to all the speculation here that AS will be winding down their relationship with AA, and will have an exclusive relationship with DL.

AS's decision affirms that they are content to work with both AA and DL, and have no plans any time soon to choose one or the other.

Topic: RE: AA And Alaska Plan Mexico Codeshares
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2010-09-03 06:59:11 and read 4461 times.

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 4):
This should put an end to all the speculation here that AS will be winding down their relationship with AA, and will have an exclusive relationship with DL.



Only on A.net   It is a well known fact tha AS is a whore among code-share agreements and that will not change and for good reason.

Topic: RE: AA And Alaska Plan Mexico Codeshares
Username: LDVAviation
Posted 2010-09-03 08:04:50 and read 4356 times.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):
Only on A.net   It is a well known fact tha AS is a whore among code-share agreements and that will not change and for good reason.

For the sake of its frequent flyers, I think AS knows that to preserve the value of its miles it is better to remain associated with AA and its partners (BA, Cathay, QF, etc.)

Delta's SkyPesos and its ragtag bunch of partners (AF, KLM, et. al.) just don't have the same prestige value.

Topic: RE: AA And Alaska Plan Mexico Codeshares
Username: Seatback
Posted 2010-09-03 08:05:56 and read 4356 times.

Can they codeshare with DL on these routes too? I'm sure DL would want exposure to many of these routes.

Topic: RE: AA And Alaska Plan Mexico Codeshares
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2010-09-03 08:49:59 and read 4272 times.

Quoting Seatback (Reply 7):
Can they codeshare with DL on these routes too? I'm sure DL would want exposure to many of these routes.


I'm not totally sure that with AA moving first, DL can on the same city pairs. I'm not an ex[ert though. I'm sure someone will chime in.

[Edited 2010-09-03 08:52:02]

Topic: RE: AA And Alaska Plan Mexico Codeshares
Username: ckfred
Posted 2010-09-03 10:22:05 and read 4125 times.

Yet, this still raises the issue of what AA will do with regards to U.S.-Mexico traffic going through ORD. With Mexicana grounded, AA has to send traffic that was either O&D ORD or connecting through ORD to either MIA, DFW, or LAX.

Topic: RE: AA And Alaska Plan Mexico Codeshares
Username: laxboeingman
Posted 2010-09-03 10:33:29 and read 4094 times.

Good for AA and AS. I think that this is good for AA because it allows them to get their name out there more in the Mexican market. This also serves as a good code share for connections; it will make it easier for pax coming to LAX thus allowing to travel the US and more on AA. Will AS be increasing frequencies?

Thank you in advance for all answers,

laxboeingman

Topic: RE: AA And Alaska Plan Mexico Codeshares
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2010-09-03 10:37:15 and read 4084 times.

Sure DL and AS could codeshare, however Delta has a nice(much bigger) Mexico partner already - AeroMexico.

Topic: RE: AA And Alaska Plan Mexico Codeshares
Username: hatbutton
Posted 2010-09-03 11:03:53 and read 4038 times.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):
It is a well known fact tha AS is a whore among code-share agreements and that will not change and for good reason.

Every airline in an alliance then therefore is a codeshare whore. I don't know why AS is always the only one labeled this.

Topic: RE: AA And Alaska Plan Mexico Codeshares
Username: ASFlyer
Posted 2010-09-03 11:32:10 and read 3982 times.

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 12):
Every airline in an alliance then therefore is a codeshare whore. I don't know why AS is always the only one labeled this.

I could care less what others call Alaska. We are one of the most profitable U.S. airlines right now with one of the highest profit margins, even higher than WN. If being a codeshare whore puts more profit sharing in my pocket then good on us!

Topic: RE: AA And Alaska Plan Mexico Codeshares
Username: hatbutton
Posted 2010-09-03 11:43:37 and read 3951 times.

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 13):
I could care less what others call Alaska. We are one of the most profitable U.S. airlines right now with one of the highest profit margins, even higher than WN. If being a codeshare whore puts more profit sharing in my pocket then good on us!

Haha amen.

Topic: RE: AA And Alaska Plan Mexico Codeshares
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2010-09-03 12:11:19 and read 3889 times.

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 12):
Every airline in an alliance then therefore is a codeshare whore. I don't know why AS is always the only one labeled this.
Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 13):
I could care less what others call Alaska. We are one of the most profitable U.S. airlines right now with one of the highest profit margins, even higher than WN. If being a codeshare whore puts more profit sharing in my pocket then good on us!



You guys are acting like I mean it in a bad way. Sure, the word whore is a terrible connotation but notice that I said "and for good reason". Alaska does what it has to do, period. I like that.

Topic: RE: AA And Alaska Plan Mexico Codeshares
Username: hatbutton
Posted 2010-09-03 13:16:21 and read 3825 times.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 15):
You guys are acting like I mean it in a bad way. Sure, the word whore is a terrible connotation but notice that I said "and for good reason". Alaska does what it has to do, period. I like that.

No worries. It's hard to tell because usually people say it in a negative way which I don't understand because it's a good strategy.

Topic: RE: AA And Alaska Plan Mexico Codeshares
Username: OzarkD9S
Posted 2010-09-03 14:14:08 and read 3714 times.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 15):


Sure, the word whore is a terrible connotation

Hey, I whore myself out to my employer 40-48 hours a week in exhange for $$$, as most people do...not sexually of course (no good offers yet!) so it's a positive connotation to me as long as my direct deposit goes thru on time.

Glad to see AA and AS cozying up a bit more, should be win-win for both parties...and that's the name of the game.

Topic: RE: AA And Alaska Plan Mexico Codeshares
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2010-09-03 14:20:34 and read 3699 times.

The DOT docket number has been posted. Its OST-2010-0222.

Topic: RE: AA And Alaska Plan Mexico Codeshares
Username: OP3000
Posted 2010-09-03 14:28:55 and read 3681 times.

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 6):
For the sake of its frequent flyers, I think AS knows that to preserve the value of its miles it is better to remain associated with AA and its partners (BA, Cathay, QF, etc.)

Delta's SkyPesos and its ragtag bunch of partners (AF, KLM, et. al.) just don't have the same prestige value.

AS doesn't really care in the end - with multiple partners they're able to aggregate more traffic to their niche markets (Alaska and up and down the West Coast all the way to Mexico). And they don't lose much my having too many codeshare partners - both DL and AA provide little competition / overlap on the routes that AS covers.

Topic: RE: AA And Alaska Plan Mexico Codeshares
Username: GlobalCabotage
Posted 2010-09-03 15:51:37 and read 3426 times.

If AA or UA don't add ORD-MEX/GDL/MTY... someone will jump in. Be it AS with AA codeshare, or CO showing they are the boss, someone will be there.

Topic: RE: AA And Alaska Plan Mexico Codeshares
Username: ASFlyer
Posted 2010-09-03 16:14:39 and read 3357 times.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 15):
You guys are acting like I mean it in a bad way. Sure, the word whore is a terrible connotation but notice that I said "and for good reason". Alaska does what it has to do, period. I like that.

Not at all. I've said the same thing myself. It works for AS and I don't think anybody would refute that. I didn't take offense at all.

Topic: RE: AA And Alaska Plan Mexico Codeshares
Username: DesertAir
Posted 2010-09-03 16:51:59 and read 3226 times.

As an AAdvantage member I am happy to see this new code share. This means that the AS flights will appear in the AA website for purchase.

Topic: RE: AA And Alaska Plan Mexico Codeshares
Username: ASFlyer
Posted 2010-09-03 21:36:15 and read 3005 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
es, but AA operates LAX-SJD twice daily, so why compete with itself?

Doesn't stop them from code-sharing on SEA-ORD.

Topic: RE: AA And Alaska Plan Mexico Codeshares
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2010-09-03 21:56:22 and read 2984 times.

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 23):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
es, but AA operates LAX-SJD twice daily, so why compete with itself?

Doesn't stop them from code-sharing on SEA-ORD.

It sure does for local traffic. You need to be connecting onward to an AA flight in order to have an AA* code on an AS-operated ORD-SEA flight.

Topic: RE: AA And Alaska Plan Mexico Codeshares
Username: as739x
Posted 2010-09-04 07:44:57 and read 2887 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):

Completely forgot they ran LAX-SJD and they can route SFO pax via LAX. *brain fart moment*

Topic: RE: AA And Alaska Plan Mexico Codeshares
Username: ASFlyer
Posted 2010-09-04 08:14:41 and read 2880 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 24):
It sure does for local traffic. You need to be connecting onward to an AA flight in order to have an AA* code on an AS-operated ORD-SEA flight.

And I imagine that it will be the same on the LAX - Mexico flights. You may be able to buy a ticket ORD-LAX-ZLO but not necessarily LAX-ZLO. Or is the application suggesting that AA plans on selling these flights from LAX?

Topic: RE: AA And Alaska Plan Mexico Codeshares
Username: flybyguy
Posted 2010-09-04 08:30:09 and read 2881 times.

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 6):
Delta's SkyPesos and its ragtag bunch of partners (AF, KLM, et. al.) just don't have the same prestige value.

LOL. Hilarious, but true!

Topic: RE: AA And Alaska Plan Mexico Codeshares
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2010-09-07 16:33:38 and read 2569 times.

In record pace, the DOT approved the code-share today without waiting for the customary 15-day comment period.

Topic: RE: AA And Alaska Plan Mexico Codeshares
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2010-09-20 18:40:58 and read 2193 times.

AA today filed with the DOT to add the recently announced Alaska Airlines Sacramento and San Jose to Guadalajara routes to this code-share arrangement.

OST-2010-0222

Topic: RE: AA And Alaska Plan Mexico Codeshares
Username: OA412
Posted 2010-09-20 18:55:07 and read 2160 times.

Quoting flybyguy (Reply 27):
Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 6):
Delta's SkyPesos and its ragtag bunch of partners (AF, KLM, et. al.) just don't have the same prestige value.

LOL. Hilarious, but true!

Oh please, no it's not. In typical fashion, the focus is upon BA, QF, and CX while ignoring the less "prestigious" members of the alliance. Please explain the prestige involved in flying MA, RJ, AA or IB. How about soon-to-be partner AB? Both alliances have holes that need to be plugged, but this notion that Oneworld is all about prestige is simply overblown.


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