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Topic: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2010-10-06 14:27:28 and read 23124 times.

A slew of announcements from oneWorld today. They are taking this at full speed.

In addition to all the routes, comes this announcement that service between JFK and Heathrow will, not surprisingly, begin to operate on a shuttle-like schedule. But this will be implemented in April, and previous reports were saying schedule coordination would until next fall.

There will be 11 daily flights between JFK and Heathrow. Daylights will depart 8am and 9.30am, and the remaining 9 flights will depart every half-hour between 6pm and 10pm.

In addition to the 11 JFK-LHR flights, there are two daily JFK-LCY and three daily EWR-LHR flights.

Article:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-1...k-shuttle-service-.html?cmpid=yhoo

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: DFWEagle
Posted 2010-10-06 14:28:40 and read 23127 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
There will be 11 daily flights between JFK and Heathrow

Only 11?? Why is a flight being cut? Will it be an AA or BA flight cut?

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2010-10-06 14:35:49 and read 22993 times.

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 1):
Only 11?? Why is a flight being cut? Will it be an AA or BA flight cut?

According to the article, yes, it is 11.

As for why a flight is/might be cut, well, that's ATI for you. Combine resources. I don't think it should come as a surprise that when the airlines are combining their LHR-NYC capacity, one flight might be seeing the axe.

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2010-10-06 14:38:53 and read 22926 times.

Awesome!!!!

So does that mean that we will see the schedules for the other hubs coordinated and spaced out accordingly as well?

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: DFWEagle
Posted 2010-10-06 14:40:41 and read 22890 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
I don't think it should come as a surprise that when the airlines are combining their LHR-NYC capacity, one flight might be seeing the axe.

It's a surprise to me because I thought there was going to be 13x daily, which involved adding a flight. Usually a JV increases traffic on a hub to hub route.
With 11 per day, every half hour in the evening, that would mean the last flight was at 10 pm. There are currently options up to 11:30 pm.

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: Talaier
Posted 2010-10-06 14:41:22 and read 22891 times.

Well with United already merged and on track and DL beefing up at JFK I'm not surprised they've decided to push things through ASAP. As to the Heathrow-NY leg, there is no mention so it's only half the job in any case. But a good start and my feeling this is only the beginning of quite a few crucial announcements to come.

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: United_fan
Posted 2010-10-06 14:43:07 and read 22844 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
There will be 11 daily flights between JFK and Heathrow. Daylights will depart 8am and 9.30am, and the remaining 9 flights will depart every half-hour between 6pm and 10pm

I remember seeing 2 BA 744's follow each other to the runway in May , thinking to myself how they'll follow each other the whole way. What a good route for the BA A380 when that comes on-line.

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: GlobalCabotage
Posted 2010-10-06 14:45:21 and read 22790 times.

Do they plan to adjust ORD-LHR as well? BA's deparatures are within minutes of AA's. This seems like it could change.

I love the LHR-JFK shuttle service!

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: musapapaya
Posted 2010-10-06 14:47:08 and read 22734 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
the remaining 9 flights will depart every half-hour between 6pm and 10pm.

Given the famous delays at both airports, it may be fun to see how often these planes get out in the correct order!!

regards
musapapaya

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: richierich
Posted 2010-10-06 14:47:30 and read 22734 times.

Quoting United_fan (Reply 6):
I remember seeing 2 BA 744's follow each other to the runway in May , thinking to myself how they'll follow each other the whole way. What a good route for the BA A380 when that comes on-line.


Probably because one flight was late!

Can somebody list the flight times, carrier, and equipment? I know it is all 772 and 744 but I want to see if there are any surprises.

And all of these flights will depart from T7 (for BA) and T8 (for AA), right? So it is a disjointed shuttle of sorts. You still have to pick one carrier or the other. Are there any appreciable benefits or disadvantages in-flight for choosing one carrier over the other?

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2010-10-06 14:48:58 and read 22689 times.

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 4):
It's a surprise to me because I thought there was going to be 13x daily, which involved adding a flight. Usually a JV increases traffic on a hub to hub route.
With 11 per day, every half hour in the evening, that would mean the last flight was at 10 pm. There are currently options up to 11:30 pm.

It could very well be an error, then. The article might have meant that there will be 11 flights as part of the shuttle schedule, on top of the two morning flights. It's a reporter article, not an official PR. I guess we will find out soon enough.

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2010-10-06 14:50:14 and read 22648 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
There will be 11 daily flights between JFK and Heathrow. Daylights will depart 8am and 9.30am, and the remaining 9 flights will depart every half-hour between 6pm and 10pm.

What about westbound?

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: commavia
Posted 2010-10-06 14:52:56 and read 22605 times.

Basically what was anticipated - two morning daylights and then on the half-hour throughout the evening starting at 1800.

However, I would be very surprised if they had the last flight be at 10pm - I highly doubt it. That very late JFK departure is popular with travelers who want the evening in New York - there is no reason for them to cut it.

I could see:

0800
0930
1800
1830
1900
1930
2000
2030
2130
2230
2330

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2010-10-06 14:54:55 and read 22563 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11):
Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
There will be 11 daily flights between JFK and Heathrow. Daylights will depart 8am and 9.30am, and the remaining 9 flights will depart every half-hour between 6pm and 10pm.

What about westbound?

No idea. I'm just going off what was in the article I linked to. Hopefully we'll see a finalized schedule in the next 2-3 weeks.

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: SESGDL
Posted 2010-10-06 14:58:35 and read 22471 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
It could very well be an error, then. The article might have meant that there will be 11 flights as part of the shuttle schedule, on top of the two morning flights. It's a reporter article, not an official PR. I guess we will find out soon enough.

Well if there are 11 flights as part of the shuttle schedule than the 6pm-10pm shuttle every 30 minutes is inaccurate, as that would amount to 9 shuttle flights.

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 4):

It's a surprise to me because I thought there was going to be 13x daily, which involved adding a flight. Usually a JV increases traffic on a hub to hub route.

Not always. It's been a common misnomer that ATI would increase flights on all common routes operated by AA and BA. AA and BA without ATI/JV may have had too many flights in the JFK-LHR market because of their inability to coordinate schedules and thus having to compete with eachother for frequency. Now that they are working together, they can reduce flights where they previously were competing, thus reducing the number of seats and flights, whilst likely increasing fares, providing optimization for both carriers. It still represents an overall increase in seats for each respective carrier, whereas AA before had 5-6 daily flights, BA had 6-7 daily flights; they now each will have 11 daily flights, albeit on both carriers, now operating as one.

Jeremy

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: DFWEagle
Posted 2010-10-06 15:02:20 and read 22423 times.

AA has 5x daily and BA has 7x daily. If it is going down to 11x daily combined, I hope it goes to 5xAA and 6xBA keeping a balanced schedule rather than AA losing a flight.

I am looking forward to seeing the westbound schedule. AA/BA could almost have an hourly schedule all day.

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: commavia
Posted 2010-10-06 15:14:01 and read 22281 times.

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 15):
I am looking forward to seeing the westbound schedule. AA/BA could almost have an hourly schedule all day.

Based on what was shown in the press conference slides today, it looks like:

0830 BA
1000 BA
1030 AA
1200 AA
1300 BA
1400 AA
1500 BA
1600 BA
1700 AA
1800 BA
1900 AA
2000 BA

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2010-10-06 15:25:17 and read 22120 times.

Quoting commavia (Reply 16):
Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 15):
I am looking forward to seeing the westbound schedule. AA/BA could almost have an hourly schedule all day.

Based on what was shown in the press conference slides today, it looks like:

Do you have a full link to see all the slides?

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: DFWEagle
Posted 2010-10-06 15:27:49 and read 22099 times.

Quoting commavia (Reply 16):

Thanks!  

That looks like a really good schedule and as it stands, is still 12x daily (7xBA, 5xAA)

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: commavia
Posted 2010-10-06 15:44:07 and read 21885 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
Do you have a full link to see all the slides?
http://www.thomson-webcast.net/uk/dispatching/?event_id=ae2c14ba7e697a9726e8a86ff3a7d917&portal_id=8f9f041ab76ea624a93bd34e37c94737

It's in the Willie Walsh section, at minute 3:47.

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 18):
That looks like a really good schedule and as it stands, is still 12x daily (7xBA, 5xAA)

I agree - looks like a good schedule. Although, I can't help thinking that it would make more sense to better space out the morning departures instead of 0800, 1000, 1030 and 1200. I would think something more like 0730, 0900, 1030, 1200 would have made more sense, personally. Who knows - this is only the first steps towards schedule integration. In the W11 or S12 schedule, we might see more optimization.

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: richierich
Posted 2010-10-06 16:24:00 and read 21601 times.

Quoting commavia (Reply 12):
Basically what was anticipated - two morning daylights and then on the half-hour throughout the evening starting at 1800.

However, I would be very surprised if they had the last flight be at 10pm - I highly doubt it. That very late JFK departure is popular with travelers who want the evening in New York - there is no reason for them to cut it.

I could see:

0800
0930
1800
1830
1900
1930
2000
2030
2130
2230
2330

Not popular with the business crew, I love that 11:30PM flight! That's a jetlag beater right there. You arrive in LHR a little before noon with your body and mind ready to start the day! Much better than arriving early morning at Heathrow, which is about the time I'd be turning off Letterman after it ends!

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: N62NA
Posted 2010-10-06 19:08:43 and read 20733 times.

Quoting commavia (Reply 12):
However, I would be very surprised if they had the last flight be at 10pm - I highly doubt it.

Because of this:

Quoting musapapaya (Reply 8):
Given the famous delays at both airports, it may be fun to see how often these planes get out in the correct order!!

Even if the last scheduled flight is 10PM out of JFK, I'm sure in actuality there will probably still be an "unofficial" 11:30pm flight.  

[Edited 2010-10-06 19:09:19]

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: dfw11
Posted 2010-10-06 21:11:07 and read 19398 times.

Quoting richierich (Reply 20):
Quoting commavia (Reply 12):
Basically what was anticipated - two morning daylights and then on the half-hour throughout the evening starting at 1800.

However, I would be very surprised if they had the last flight be at 10pm - I highly doubt it. That very late JFK departure is popular with travelers who want the evening in New York - there is no reason for them to cut it.

I could see:

0800
0930
1800
1830
1900
1930
2000
2030
2130
2230
2330

Not popular with the business crew, I love that 11:30PM flight! That's a jetlag beater right there.

It hasn't gone anywhere! It still has the flight: AA116.

I still want to see some different tail around DFW.... IB, make the switch with AA to MAD!

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2010-10-07 02:51:36 and read 17056 times.

Very good news indeed... But on the other had, we miss the shuttle services to EDI, GLA & MAN. Those were days.

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: runway23
Posted 2010-10-07 03:19:07 and read 16821 times.

Quoting commavia (Reply 19):
I agree - looks like a good schedule. Although, I can't help thinking that it would make more sense to better space out the morning departures instead of 0800, 1000, 1030 and 1200. I would think something more like 0730, 0900, 1030, 1200 would have made more sense, personally. Who knows - this is only the first steps towards schedule integration. In the W11 or S12 schedule, we might see more optimization.

Very true. Also surprising that the last departure wasn't pushed back a bit further than 2000, something like 2035-2055 would open up a number of additional connections from Europe (this would be quite attractive to people who could squeeze a full day at work take a BA flight up to London and get into JFK right around midnight).

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: 777ORD
Posted 2010-10-07 03:44:57 and read 17001 times.

wow! Great news! But, perhaps someone can answer this question. between all the airlines that operate out of JFK/EWR. how many daily flights does that give LHR from the NYC area?

And, with JFK having such an increase, can we expect to see the likes of ORD, LAX, MIA? etc.. increasing or adjusting schedules with BA/IB? I haven't read any articles to prove this, but, that doesn't mean it won't happen. Thank you to whomever answers, too!

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: runway23
Posted 2010-10-07 04:17:39 and read 16721 times.

Quoting 777ORD (Reply 25):
And, with JFK having such an increase, can we expect to see the likes of ORD, LAX, MIA? etc.. increasing or adjusting schedules with BA/IB? I haven't read any articles to prove this, but, that doesn't mean it won't happen. Thank you to whomever answers, too!

With the JV everything is subject to being adjusted.

Just that JFK-LHR is strategically the most important one and thus the first to get readjusted.

Also interesting to see whether they will swap destinations around from T5 to T3. I'd imagine a LHR-JFK shuttle would make a lot more sense if all flights depart from T5.

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: dldtw1962
Posted 2010-10-07 04:43:51 and read 16744 times.

I can't believe that they have that much traffic from JFK and EWR to have 11 flights a day to LHR. And that is not including
the flights that UA and DL have going to this city. Remembering that full flights do not mean they are making a profit
on them.

Just my 2 cents.

Chuck

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: Someone83
Posted 2010-10-07 04:51:54 and read 16591 times.

Quoting dldtw1962 (Reply 27):
Remembering that full flights do not mean they are making a profit
on them.

And a not full flight doesn't means that their loosing money on it...........

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: commavia
Posted 2010-10-07 06:01:38 and read 15788 times.

Quoting dldtw1962 (Reply 27):
I can't believe that they have that much traffic from JFK and EWR to have 11 flights a day to LHR. And that is not including
the flights that UA and DL have going to this city. Remembering that full flights do not mean they are making a profit
on them.

Believe it.

From virtually every standpoint - economic, political, strategic - New York-London is by far and away the single largest and most important market between North America and Europe. Many (myself included) would argue that strategically, it is probably the single most important and most valauble single international market on earth.

The sheer volume of high-yielding business traffic is head-spinning, and AA and BA (BA moreso, and longer, of course) have long been, and will continue to be, the heavy-hitters in this market. Now, with the ATI/JV, they will be able to truly capitalize on their respective strengths on this route - AA's in New York, BA's in London - and create a shuttle between JFK and Heathrow that has never before been possible in history.

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2010-10-07 06:16:09 and read 15512 times.

Im really interested to see how they coordinate the ORD, MIA, LAX, and DFW schedules too.

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: United_fan
Posted 2010-10-07 06:17:31 and read 15541 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
There will be 11 daily flights between JFK and Heathrow. Daylights will depart 8am and 9.30am, and the remaining 9 flights will depart every half-hour between 6pm and 10pm

Wow,adding VS and Kuwaiti to the mix,that's a lot of flights!

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: hz747300
Posted 2010-10-07 06:23:39 and read 15412 times.

Will AA be able to use T5 in LHR to maximize synergy?

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: LondonCity
Posted 2010-10-07 06:29:17 and read 15322 times.

Quoting hz747300 (Reply 32):
Will AA be able to use T5 in LHR to maximize synergy?

T5 is practically full. Even QF (with its JSA with BA) can't gain access.

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: commavia
Posted 2010-10-07 06:30:52 and read 15309 times.

Quoting hz747300 (Reply 32):
Will AA be able to use T5 in LHR to maximize synergy?

That was discussed yesterday at the press conference.

When asked directly about it, Walsh hinted at it and said effectively that they're looking at switching some flights "between" T3 and T5 to maximize synergies - now to me that means some flights moving T3 to T5, and some moving T5 back to T3.

My guess - as I've long speculated - is that you'll see them consolidate flights in T3 or T5 based on destination, not airline. What I mean is that all flights to some key, high-profile destinations (chief among them JFK/ORD/LAX) will all move to T5, regardless of operating airline.

And, to make room for that (a total of 10 AA flights from LHR to those three cities, for example), they may move some BA flights presently at T5 back to T3. I'm thinking markets like ATL, PHX, DEN, SAN, etc. Or, they could consolidate by region and say - all BA flights to, say, Africa (except ultra-premium South Africa, no doubt) would move to T3. Something along those lines.

Either way - if they really are going to be operating "shuttle-like" schedules to places like JFK and ORD, etc., I just cannot see them being satisfied with splitting half (or, in some cases, more than half of those flights) in T3.

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: bobnwa
Posted 2010-10-07 06:55:58 and read 14849 times.

Quoting dldtw1962 (Reply 27):
I can't believe that they have that much traffic from JFK and EWR to have 11 flights a day to LHR. And that is not including
the flights that UA and DL have going to this city. Remembering that full flights do not mean they are making a profit
on them.

Just my 2 cents.

Chuck

Why on earth would you think AA,BA,VS,UA,DL,CO have all these flights if it wasn't profitable ot likely to be so in the near future?

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: ChopChop767
Posted 2010-10-07 09:41:45 and read 12539 times.

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 35):

Most assuredly, the route is profitable and it's great to see that AA is using the One World Alliance to strengthen their position in a UA and DL merger environment. My only hope is that AA works with JAL to build their market share in Asia. I realize that UA and NW were traditionally been the US leader in Asian, and now DL has an impressive network, but I hope AA doesn't give up on the Pacific to secure S. American and EURO routes. I guess it's a matter of equipment and AA went from being the biggest major carrier post TWA to one of the smallest.

Furthermore, it would be great to see AA and BA coordinate on the routes out of ORD too!

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: kimberlyrj
Posted 2010-10-07 11:11:04 and read 11226 times.

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 15):
AA has 5x daily and BA has 7x daily. If it is going down to 11x daily combined, I hope it goes to 5xAA and 6xBA keeping a balanced schedule rather than AA losing a flight.

Would it matter if one airline lost a service and the other one did not? I mean to the PAX? Do you think that the PAX on this route prefer AA to BA?

I think this is fantastic news finally we see our National airline trying to make some forward motion to become a better airline, something we have not done for a while. I really hope it works out.

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: crosswinds21
Posted 2010-10-07 11:17:55 and read 11114 times.

Quoting ChopChop767 (Reply 36):
Furthermore, it would be great to see AA and BA coordinate on the routes out of ORD too!

Good point. Does anyone know what's going to happen with ORD-LHR? Wasn't there talk on this forum that this route will also become somewhat of a shuttle (i.e. hourly departures)? Combined, BA and AA right now have what, around 6 or so daily flights there?

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: Slinky09
Posted 2010-10-07 11:30:18 and read 10896 times.

Quoting GlobalCabotage (Reply 7):
Do they plan to adjust ORD-LHR as well? BA's deparatures are within minutes of AA's. This seems like it could change.

And at MIA I think ... not that that is the biggest business destination ...

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 15):
AA has 5x daily and BA has 7x daily. If it is going down to 11x daily combined, I hope it goes to 5xAA and 6xBA keeping a balanced schedule rather than AA losing a flight.

I'd guess the other way, AA can expand to Asia whereas BA can increase the US?

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: DFWEagle
Posted 2010-10-07 11:32:29 and read 10865 times.

Quoting kimberlyrj (Reply 37):
Would it matter if one airline lost a service and the other one did not? I mean to the PAX? Do you think that the PAX on this route prefer AA to BA?

No, probably pax prefer BA to be honest. I'd just like to see AA keep its presence on the route and be more of an equal partner to BA, that's all.

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2010-10-07 11:35:31 and read 10836 times.

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 40):
No, probably pax prefer BA to be honest. I'd just like to see AA keep its presence on the route and be more of an equal partner to BA, that's all.

AA and BA will share to all the cities they currently both serve (with the possible exception of Boston which may become all BA). It shouldnt be that big of a deal.

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: GlobalCabotage
Posted 2010-10-07 11:38:54 and read 10775 times.

BA will move departures to T3 at ORD in spring. Not sure what gates yet or if the L concourse will handle IB, BA, and AA flights to the UK or if all will move to H and K. Also, JL is going to move departures to T3 next year as well.

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: WesternA318
Posted 2010-10-07 11:48:22 and read 10610 times.

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 1):
Only 11?? Why is a flight being cut? Will it be an AA or BA flight cut?

Perhaps for use of bigger equipment on a much heavier demand departure time?

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: catiii
Posted 2010-10-07 11:59:38 and read 10472 times.

Love the two morning departures to LHR. We contract with DL at my company for our business travel, but have picked up a huge client in London and the LHR schedule isn't optimal. DL is the only NYC "based" airline serving LHR with nonstops that doesn't have a morning departure (AA and CO both do).

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: B747forever
Posted 2010-10-07 12:05:04 and read 10349 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 30):
Im really interested to see how they coordinate the ORD, MIA, LAX, and DFW schedules too

I am really interested to see what they will do with LAX. They have together 4 daily flights to LAX (3 by BA and 1 by AA). I wonder if they will reduce that to only 3daily flights once BA gets the A380 and if they decide to use it to LAX.

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2010-10-07 12:09:57 and read 10274 times.

Quoting catiii (Reply 44):
Love the two morning departures to LHR. We contract with DL at my company for our business travel, but have picked up a huge client in London and the LHR schedule isn't optimal. DL is the only NYC "based" airline serving LHR with nonstops that doesn't have a morning departure (AA and CO both do).

Delta probably could get a slot for an evening arrival. Night time slots at LHR are not at a premium.

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: mogandoCI
Posted 2010-10-07 12:15:52 and read 10204 times.

Deathrow T5 is both a success and failure

It's a success as in it's way better than rest of LHR, and finally up to par with international state-of-the-art terminals. It's clean, spacious, and tons of retail options (except how dead Band C concourse looks)

It's a failure that it's not even a couple years ago, has 3 concourses only to serve 1 airline, and filled beyond capacity (my recent BA JFK-LHR flight has to dock remotely with bus service to the terminal... WTF!)

And a whole bunch of BA flights can't even come to T5 and has to stay in T3 (other than the QF ones).

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: vv701
Posted 2010-10-07 15:48:50 and read 8471 times.

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 35):
Why on earth would you think AA,BA,VS,UA,DL,CO have all these flights if it wasn't profitable ot likely to be so in the near future?

And that's not all. KU101 operates LHR-JFK with traffic rights.

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: commavia
Posted 2010-10-07 16:42:36 and read 8335 times.

Quoting crosswinds21 (Reply 38):
Good point. Does anyone know what's going to happen with ORD-LHR? Wasn't there talk on this forum that this route will also become somewhat of a shuttle (i.e. hourly departures)? Combined, BA and AA right now have what, around 6 or so daily flights there?

ORD-LHR will never be a shuttle in the same line as JFK-LHR - the market is just not as big nor as frequency-intensive.

Nonetheless, I'm sure that a combined schedule would be quite well optimized - perhaps something like this:

Eastbound:

0900 AA 763
1700 AA 777
1820 BA 777
1945 AA 777
2045 BA 777
2145 AA 777

Westbound:

0755 AA 777
1015 AA 777
1140 BA 777
1355 AA 777
1530 BA777
1630 AA 763

Quoting B747forever (Reply 45):
I am really interested to see what they will do with LAX. They have together 4 daily flights to LAX (3 by BA and 1 by AA). I wonder if they will reduce that to only 3daily flights once BA gets the A380 and if they decide to use it to LAX.

I could envision something along the lines of:

Eastbound:

1445 BA 744
1700 BA 744
1930 AA 777
2130 BA 744

Westbound:

0930 BA 744
1130 AA 777
1330 BA 744
1600 BA 744

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 47):
It's a failure that it's not even a couple years ago, has 3 concourses only to serve 1 airline, and filled beyond capacity (my recent BA JFK-LHR flight has to dock remotely with bus service to the terminal... WTF!)

And a whole bunch of BA flights can't even come to T5 and has to stay in T3 (other than the QF ones).

It really is pathetic for an airport as important as Heathrow, a city as important as London, and a country as important as the United Kingdom. But, nonetheless, that's Heathrow for you.

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: AJMIA
Posted 2010-10-07 16:48:54 and read 8295 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
No idea. I'm just going off what was in the article I linked to. Hopefully we'll see a finalized schedule in the next 2-3 weeks.



Do you think MIA might get an early morning departure and late night return from LHR with the new schedule? That would open up a lot of different connecting opportunities and allow connecting Euro traffic to spend the whole day before heading to LHR for their connection.

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: hz747300
Posted 2010-10-07 17:09:11 and read 8198 times.

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 15):
AA has 5x daily and BA has 7x daily. If it is going down to 11x daily combined, I hope it goes to 5xAA and 6xBA keeping a balanced schedule rather than AA losing a flight.

It's a joint venture, so sort of irrelevant who flies it unfortunately for spotters, or fans of one or the other...

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: GlobalCabotage
Posted 2010-10-07 18:02:12 and read 8043 times.

While ORD-LHR will never be like JFK-LHR, I would still expect at least 6 flights on AA/BA.

ORD-LHR
9:00 AM AA 763
4:00 PM AA 777
5:00 PM BA 744
6:00 PM AA 777
7:00 PM AA 777
8:30 PM BA 744
10:00 PM AA 777

LHR-ORD
8:00 AM AA 763
10:00 AM AA 777
11:00 AM BA 744
12:00 PM AA 777
1:00 PM AA 777
3:00 PM BA 744
5:00 PM AA 777
(The 12:00 pm to 5:00 pm flights could be pushed bach 30 min or 60 min).

I think AA will go back to 5x daily (4x777 and 1 x767) and BA will stay at 2 (but upgrade to 744). BA did operate 3x 777 in the past (actually 1x744 and 2x777) and BA operating 2X744 will be a good comprimise.

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: VC10er
Posted 2010-10-07 19:24:47 and read 7841 times.

Will it matter that BA have a great C and F and AA is just...AA? I would be pissed if i bought a BA ticket in C and then get bumped into an AA slider seat!

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: N62NA
Posted 2010-10-07 21:54:09 and read 7570 times.

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 50):
Do you think MIA might get an early morning departure and late night return from LHR with the new schedule? That would open up a lot of different connecting opportunities and allow connecting Euro traffic to spend the whole day before heading to LHR for their connection.

And those AA flights arriving from South America in the 4a-6a time frame could feed a morning MIA-LHR.

I've been hoping for this for years!

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: bojangles
Posted 2010-10-08 04:51:35 and read 7188 times.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 47):
Deathrow T5 is both a success and failure

It's a success as in it's way better than rest of LHR, and finally up to par with international state-of-the-art terminals. It's clean, spacious, and tons of retail options (except how dead Band C concourse looks)

It's a failure that it's not even a couple years ago, has 3 concourses only to serve 1 airline, and filled beyond capacity (my recent BA JFK-LHR flight has to dock remotely with bus service to the terminal... WTF!)

And a whole bunch of BA flights can't even come to T5 and has to stay in T3 (other than the QF ones).

T5 is actually a triumph in the face of extremely difficult conditions. Well just one condition. Space, or lack thereof. That T5 could be shoe-horned into such a, relatively, tiny space is pretty remarkable. As for 'a whole bunch' of flights having to park remotely, this will be greatly reduced when C gates open next spring.

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: AABB777
Posted 2010-10-08 04:58:50 and read 7143 times.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 53):

Will it matter that BA have a great C and F and AA is just...AA? I would be pissed if i bought a BA ticket in C and then get bumped into an AA slider seat!

Let's hope AA introduces a new J/C product soon, as speculation has been pretty intense that they will. However, will it only be on the 763, or the 777 as well? I can understand AA not wanting a new J/C product to make inroads into F profitability on the 777s, however BA seems to do fine with a superd truly flat Business Class product (that is much better than their European counterparts, ie: LH, AF), and a really great just-introduced new F product.

Perhaps a revamped Biz Class on on both 767s and 777s, and a new, yet smaller cabin, F?

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: LAX888
Posted 2010-10-08 06:30:57 and read 6957 times.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 53):
Will it matter that BA have a great C and F and AA is just...AA? I would be pissed if i bought a BA ticket in C and then get bumped into an AA slider seat!



LOL yeah I feel the same way about that. At the moment BA and AA are just miles apart when it comes to their in-flight products. Even Y on BA has AVOD on most planes and not to mention Y+. I personally will still choose BA over AA on every flight I take if I have the choice.

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: incitatus
Posted 2010-10-08 08:15:14 and read 6765 times.

Quoting commavia (Reply 16):
Based on what was shown in the press conference slides today, it looks like:

0830 BA
1000 BA
1030 AA
1200 AA
1300 BA
1400 AA
1500 BA
1600 BA
1700 AA
1800 BA
1900 AA
2000 BA

One has to wonder what the competition will do.

CO/UA may set up a competing service out of Newark by adding a few more flights up to 7 or 8 frequencies.

DL's ambition on the route, symbolized by selecting the number 1 as a flight number for JFK-LHR, well.... my condolecenes.

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: commavia
Posted 2010-10-08 08:28:19 and read 6724 times.

Quoting incitatus (Reply 58):
One has to wonder what the competition will do.

CO/UA may set up a competing service out of Newark by adding a few more flights up to 7 or 8 frequencies.

DL's ambition on the route, symbolized by selecting the number 1 as a flight number for JFK-LHR, well.... my condolecenes.

It is my personal belief that no other competitors will ever seriously be in a position to materially challenge the dominant position that AA/BA now have in the New York (JFK/EWR) - London (LHR/LCY) market. AA/BA are now going to have a total of 16 daily flights between New York and London. I don't see another airline coming close to matching that.

UA/CO clearly has the best shot built on their big hub at Newark, but it is still not large enough, in my estimation, to support a level of frequency nor capacity equal to what AA/BA will have - on JFK-LHR specifically, but in the larger market as well. I don't think DL has any shot of ever being anywhere near that large in the market.

Topic: RE: AA/BA To Start JFK-LHR Shuttle In April
Username: LondonCity
Posted 2010-10-08 08:46:01 and read 6652 times.

Quoting GlobalCabotage (Reply 42):
Also, JL is going to move departures to T3 next year as well.

Do you mean LHR T5 ? JAL has been using LHR T3 for decades !


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