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Topic: New UA/CO Livery to Debut Soon?
Username: piaflyer
Posted 2010-09-27 20:17:33 and read 33464 times.

Hello all,

Just had a quick question, there have been rumors that by this friday, 2 aircraft will be painted in the new UA livery. I just was wondering if there was any credible value to this or if it was just a rumor. If there are 2 aircraft, which ones will they be?

Thanks,
Piaflyer

Topic: New UA/CO Livery to Debut Soon?
Username: drerx7
Posted 2010-09-27 20:50:55 and read 33468 times.

Continental has a 757 and a 739 in Amarillo getting painted to be unveiled this weekend.

Topic: New UA/CO Livery to Debut Soon?
Username: Aloha717200
Posted 2010-09-27 20:53:36 and read 33422 times.

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 1):
getting painted

Do they really have to paint, or will it be simply a matter of removing the "Continental Airlines" sticker, and replacing it with that god-awful "United" sticker, since everything else about the livery essentially remains the same....?

Topic: New UA/CO Livery to Debut Soon?
Username: CODC10
Posted 2010-09-27 21:00:47 and read 33370 times.

It probably will be painted, since the CO logo is not a sticker but actually painted on the airplane. I'm sure some aircraft will have stickers applied, likely contract regional a/c. Larger jets will be painted, I'm sure.

Topic: New UA/CO Livery to Debut Soon?
Username: AZNCSA4QF744ER
Posted 2010-09-27 21:09:29 and read 33383 times.

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 3):
I'm sure some aircraft will have stickers applied, likely contract regional a/c. Larger jets will be painted, I'm sure.



Nope, those regional a/c are also painted too. 

Topic: New UA/CO Livery to Debut Soon?
Username: piaflyer
Posted 2010-09-27 21:43:27 and read 33225 times.

does anybody know which planes they are? registration wise? also, can does anyone have any pics of the planes in amarillo and their progress?

Thanks,
Piaflyer

Topic: New UA/CO Livery to Debut Soon?
Username: dutchflyboi
Posted 2010-09-27 21:59:52 and read 33218 times.

Quoting piaflyer (Reply 5):
does anybody know which planes they are? registration wise?

According to the CO Times:.
'We will have two aircraft painted in the new UA livery by Oct. 1. Aircraft N53442, a 737-900 ER,
will debut in the new paint scheme on the day we close the merger, and aircraft N29124, a 757-200,
will follow soon after. In fact, Jeff will fly in Aircraft 442 from Chicago (ORD) to IAH on the day of the
merger closing.'

Topic: New UA/CO Livery to Debut Soon?
Username: UAL777UK
Posted 2010-09-28 12:57:22 and read 30855 times.

Good to see that the original question from the OP has not gone off track!  

i fro one am looking forward to seeing a 747 come into LHR in the new colours. Sure I know we are not seeing those birds here at the mo but I am hopeful that one of the routes like HOU or EWR may see one.

Topic: New UA/CO Livery to Debut Soon?
Username: UALWN
Posted 2010-09-28 13:20:24 and read 30595 times.

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 41):
i fro one am looking forward to seeing a 747 come into LHR in the new colours.

And I'm excited that after flying UA extensively for the last 20 years, I will be able to see for the first time in my now local airpot, BCN, a plane (a 752 to EWR) with the word "United" in it, even if it is in that god-awful font...

Topic: New UA/CO Livery to Debut Soon?
Username: PlunaCRJ
Posted 2010-09-28 18:27:00 and read 28129 times.

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...s-this-the-first-the-first-un.html


From Flightblogger, this might be the very first picture of a plane in the "new UA" scheme.

Regards,

[Edited 2010-09-28 18:29:09]

[Edited 2010-09-28 18:32:41]

Topic: New UA/CO Livery to Debut Soon?
Username: dutchflyboi
Posted 2010-09-28 20:53:00 and read 27278 times.

First Picture (I think) of a Continental Plane with UNITED on it, at the paint shop in Texas...

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2010-09-28 23:51:30 and read 26463 times.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 60):
How does that prove anything ? !

As others have said, you're being emotional rather than rational. There *is* a new company. Grousing about its existence isn't productive.

--------------------------------------------

On another note, I can see from the flightglobal.com photo why in other threads a.netters talked about adding the word "Airlines" for balance.

From flightglobal.com/blogs/

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: exFATboy
Posted 2010-09-29 06:27:21 and read 25880 times.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 11):
On another note, I can see from the flightglobal.com photo why in other threads a.netters talked about adding the word "Airlines" for balance.

True, and they need to get rid of the ridiculous excessive space between letters. Looks horrid.

The spacing, that is. The overall livery isn't that bad. Not great, but not that bad.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2010-09-29 06:30:55 and read 25848 times.

So even though they'll still be Continental operated aircraft flying for Continental with CO tickets and COA callsigns they'll all have United on the fuselage before long? Is that the plan? Frankly that could be done by Christmas.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: UALWN
Posted 2010-09-29 06:35:36 and read 25794 times.

Quoting dutchflyboi (Reply 10):
First Picture (I think) of a Continental Plane with UNITED on it, at the paint shop in Texas...

Am I wrong or the font that generated so much discussion here has been replaced with something much more reasonable?

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: PM
Posted 2010-09-29 06:36:38 and read 25792 times.

Here we go again...

But, for what it's worth, I believe that the CO livery (i.e. what will become 'United') is among the very classiest ever to be devised. Thank god they are keeping it. Timeless. Beautiful. Stylish. International. Cosmopolitan. Clean. Classy...

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: netjets21
Posted 2010-09-29 06:39:19 and read 25820 times.

The UNITED looks absolutely terrible!   

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Adam T.
Posted 2010-09-29 06:51:04 and read 25654 times.

I have come to grow of the font actually but I do think they could have made the size bigger - similar to the size of UNITED on current UA aircraft or AMERICAN on AA's aircraft.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: netjets21
Posted 2010-09-29 06:57:20 and read 25607 times.

Quoting Adam T. (Reply 17):
I have come to grow of the font actually but I do think they could have made the size bigger - similar to the size of UNITED on current UA aircraft or AMERICAN on AA's aircraft.

I have to agree with you, I think considering they made it this size they could have added AIRLINES behind it like they had as their old scheme. Since they just put UNITED they should have made it bigger, it looks kinda awkward being that small.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: United787
Posted 2010-09-29 12:35:09 and read 24904 times.

IMHO, that isn't so humble, the decision to use the CO livery with the UA name will go down as the worst decision of this merger...missed opportunity...short-sided...lazy...

As Bill Cosby once said: “I don’t know the secret to success, but the secret to failure is trying to please everybody.” because you end up pleasing nobody...

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Adam T.
Posted 2010-09-29 12:57:01 and read 24779 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 19):
IMHO, that isn't so humble, the decision to use the CO livery with the UA name will go down as the worst decision of this merger...missed opportunity...short-sided...lazy...

Well- would you have preferred the United livery and logo with the Continental name? While the new livery isn't the best idea I do think that the company has a good idea of trying to blend the identities together, but that's just my opinion.
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Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2010-09-29 13:20:36 and read 24717 times.

Theer is a lot of saying around various forums that the Flightblogger picture is photoshopped, wrong pixels stuff and all. I am no Photoshop specialist so I cannot confirm.

This was my favourite United colours on a good old 747-200
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Unite...d=87774ff3cade01d6722f90c4cb901d5d

This new livery is not to my taste but I guess there is nothing us non-likers will be able to do about it.

I am told that the first "new livery" flight is ORD-IAH tomorrow on the 737-900.

  

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: KPDX
Posted 2010-09-29 13:25:19 and read 24660 times.

What's new about the livery?

The "UNITED" part?

Lame.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: amwest2united
Posted 2010-09-29 14:28:34 and read 24530 times.

Continental B737-900 with United Titles


Nice shot!

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: SonomaFlyer
Posted 2010-09-29 14:36:03 and read 24449 times.

Although I agree that a whole new scheme would be good, keep in mind the cost of such a change. This "new" scheme is a lower cost alternative while they sort all of the other details of the merger.

Once things are settled (say three or four years on), they will likely look at changing up the scheme.

I for one really like United's commercials with Gene Hackman narrating and the (watercolor?) art themed commercials. Bringing those back perhaps with a freshened tag line would seem like a good idea.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: C010T3
Posted 2010-09-29 14:37:07 and read 24910 times.

Oh, no! If it already looks bad on a 737, imagine it on a 777...

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: aviatortj
Posted 2010-09-29 14:38:22 and read 24830 times.

Not bad. I think the new font is good. The livery is okay. It could certainly be worse.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: brilondon
Posted 2010-09-29 14:44:57 and read 25530 times.

That picture above looks rather underwhelming. I thought that with the new font that it would look better. I guess I was wrong.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Sulley
Posted 2010-09-29 14:47:15 and read 25480 times.

Hmm...

Not bad. It will take some getting used to though!

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: exFATboy
Posted 2010-09-29 15:13:29 and read 25584 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 19):
IMHO, that isn't so humble, the decision to use the CO livery with the UA name will go down as the worst decision of this merger...missed opportunity...short-sided...lazy...

I still have mixed feeling on this - I understand that the new livery is both practical in that it requires minimal modification on the CO fleet, saving money, and send a message that the new airline will be run to CO's customer service standard. And the white is practical in the hot-and-humid environment of Houston.

On the other hand, I've never been a huge fan of CO's livery - it has a tidy, professional look, but at the same time is pretty dull.

I would have preferred that the adopt the retitled-CO livery for the current CO aircraft as an interim measure, just leave the UA planes alone for the moment, and roll out a new livery to celebrate the completion of the merger - not necessarily the completion of the integration, that could take years, but the day the two parent companies become one.

Quoting Adam T. (Reply 20):
Well- would you have preferred the United livery and logo with the Continental name?

Actually, my first choice would have been an entirely new name and livery, but that's not practical.

Quoting United787 (Reply 25):
My second choice would have been to come up with an all new scheme that incorporates/considers the best elements from both companies brands...I think that way you could make it truly a "merger of equals"...not just a slap together...

Other than some of the more elaborate "tulip in a globe" ideas that were kicked around, I'm not sure how you could incorporate elements from both brands without getting something like what they're going with now.

Once they decided to go with the United name, I'd have preferred they go with a modernized version of a classic UA livery:


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I'd love to see a major carrier go against the trend of greys and blues and muted palettes and branding that supposedly confers a sense of "business travel". Retro is popular right now, and a livery that hearkens back to the days when flying was a little more fun would go over well, I think, especially with business travelers - everyone thinks business travelers want the supposedly more "business-like" schemes, but I can't tell you how many times I used to see travelers in suits and ties and carrying very expensive attache cases break into a little smile when they'd see the PSA Grinningbird pull up at the gate to take them to LA or wherever. A little colour would go a long way toward brightening up travel.

(And cheatlines, dammit, we need more cheatlines!!   )

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: CODC10
Posted 2010-09-29 15:17:47 and read 25299 times.

Quoting AZNCSA4QF744ER (Reply 4):
Nope, those regional a/c are also painted too.

I realize that they are painted, but it is probably more likely that they would receive a decal than a larger aircraft, say, a 767.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: mcdu
Posted 2010-09-29 15:21:51 and read 25277 times.

I am not a fan of the CO paint but I understand the cost of re-branding the entire airline. This make sense from a cost stand point and as an employee it sets a good example that the new company is not throwing money away on a costly repaint/branding. It also should please consumers as their ticket prices will not be increased to cover the cost of painting the entire airline in a new scheme.

Also, you can't tell what color the thing is painted from the inside and that is where most passengers spend the majority of their time.......

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: JBo
Posted 2010-09-29 15:37:18 and read 25341 times.

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 33):
I realize that they are painted, but it is probably more likely that they would receive a decal than a larger aircraft, say, a 767.

I say the chances are more likely that they will just receive a spot repaint ... only the affected area will be sanded and repainted. That was how Skyway repainted most of their aircraft after they rebranded to Midwest Connect:


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Only the rear portion of the fuselage has fresh paint.

I imagine this will be how most CO regional aircraft will be repainted.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: washingtonian
Posted 2010-09-29 15:42:52 and read 25308 times.

I don't like it but I will reserve judgment until I see it in person. I will miss the tulip though, that is for sure...  

I don't think this livery will last more than 3-5 years. It will take a few years for all of the fleets to reach a level of commonality (with regards to whatever they decide re: E+, Channel 9, PTVs, three-classes, etc); I wouldn't be surprised to see a new identity in a few years.

Quoting mcdu (Reply 34):
as an employee it sets a good example that the new company is not throwing money away on a costly repaint/branding.

Don't the entire planes (the old CO fleet) need to be repainted anyway with this new livery?

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Antoniemey
Posted 2010-09-29 17:10:58 and read 24881 times.

Quoting mcdu (Reply 34):
his make sense from a cost stand point and as an employee it sets a good example that the new company is not throwing money away on a costly repaint/branding.

It also symbolizes to the CO employees that everything they've worked for the past 15 years isn't being thrown away in the merger... at least, not without something just as good or better (in theory) to replace it.

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 36):
Don't the entire planes (the old CO fleet) need to be repainted anyway with this new livery?

Most of them could get a sticker or a repaint of just the titles until they're due for their regular repainting. I actually expect the CO fleet to be completely in United titles VERY quickly.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: WesternA318
Posted 2010-09-29 18:43:54 and read 24549 times.

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 38):
The new UA livery reminds me strongly of many other post-merger-cover-it-up-with-a-sticker airline crap-jobs. The kind that last for 6 months to a year while the smaller carrier is gobbled up. Except this time, it's the airline's official "brand statement".

LOL Aloha, I am sticking to my original opinion that the new airline, when they are done with announcing the merger and once the transition has started, we will see them roll out a whole new livery.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: KGRB
Posted 2010-09-29 19:03:07 and read 24632 times.

Ugh...

Time to wave the white flag and return to the "fun" UA...

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IMO, this was the only UA scheme that was widely liked (or even widely recognizable) over the past 20 years. With a few alterations, such as a more modern font for 'U N I T E D' and possibly a reworked tail, this would be the perfect scheme for the airline going forward. And once that's done, why not bring back "Come Fly The Friendly Skies" while you're at it?  

Since my dream will never happen, I'll have to make do with what the new UA's giving us. I *do* like the CO scheme better than the "blue-on-blue-on-blue" UA colors, so it is a bit of an improvement in that regard. And I'll add that the 'U N I T E D' titles didn't look as bad as I thought they would.

As far as regional goes, have we seen the new UA Express logo yet? Will it use the same font as 'U N I T E D', or will it use the current 'Express' font on the CO Express logo?

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2010-09-30 00:52:41 and read 23953 times.

Tne new Untinental/Continited livery is the epitome of bad taste. Some sort of chameleon livery. It is just meaningless.

The old classic United Red White and Blue livery with the tulip on the tail was the best of all.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Airport
Posted 2010-09-30 01:10:33 and read 23898 times.

I have a hunch this livery will look 10x better on an aircraft which has yet to wear a CO livery, such as an A320, or a 747-400. Especially the 747-400.

I actually liked the original Perpetua (CO) font they chose much more than this alienating ultra-corporate U N I T E D font. Sans-serif can look professional and classy, but the font they chose just looks plain and unfriendly.

But, I still stand by my theory that we'll see a full-on totally revamped new identity within 2-3 years.

Cheers,
Anthony/Airport

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Ronaldo747
Posted 2010-09-30 01:18:38 and read 23898 times.

Guys .... they have to repaint about 700 airplanes over the coming months .. thats really heavy stuff. The new United livery is a reasonably priced solution that will be worked fine for them. IMO the livery looks fine to me. There is another worse paintjobs out there ....

[Edited 2010-09-30 01:19:38]

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: SeeTheWorld
Posted 2010-09-30 06:33:40 and read 23527 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 19):
IMHO, that isn't so humble, the decision to use the CO livery with the UA name will go down as the worst decision of this merger...missed opportunity...short-sided...lazy...

Well, if it turns out to be the worst decision of the merger, then it will be the smoothest merger transition in history. Honestly, the livery decision at this point will have zero effect on revenues while saving costs ... Will there be a new livery in the next 3 to 5 years ... probably ... I was disappointed in the livery decision at first, but seriously ... it's not that big of a deal short-term ...

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Adam T.
Posted 2010-09-30 07:01:59 and read 23353 times.

Quoting amwest2united (Reply 23):
Quoting amwest2united (Reply 23):
Continental B737-900 with United Titles


Nice shot!

Actually in that shot the titles don't look as bad as I thought they would! I still stand by that the titles could be bigger and I think for everyone it will take some getting to used to, but for now I think it will work fine for the next few years.

[Edited 2010-09-30 07:28:53]

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: tjwgrr
Posted 2010-09-30 07:17:55 and read 23510 times.

Quoting KGRB (Reply 37):
Ugh...

Time to wave the white flag and return to the "fun" UA...

"Stars and Bars" was my fave:


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Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: FlyNWA727
Posted 2010-09-30 07:38:19 and read 23413 times.

I'm sorry, but the current United Airlines livery (of the actual "United Airlines" and not the merged corporation), is one of the most beautiful liveries ever devised, IMO. Sure I have some bias, as blue is my favorite color, but I feel the current United livery is fresh, contemporary, classy, and plain beautiful. Something about the livery just screams "fresh". The livery barely had time to make it onto all of United's fleet, before we are forced to be trusted two decades back in time with this outdated Continental hybrid livery. The CO livery looks great for "Continental" ... but with the United name hastily applied on it ... with any sort of font ... is just horrendous, cheap, and tacky looking. I'll so miss the United livery and the tulip.


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Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: UALWN
Posted 2010-09-30 07:50:33 and read 23133 times.

Quoting FlyNWA727 (Reply 44):
I'm sorry, but the current United Airlines livery (of that actual "United Airlines" and not the merged corporation), is one of the most beautiful liveries ever devised,

I fully agree. The gradually darker blues on the belly, the large tulip in the tail, the small one next to UNITED... I really like it.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Adam T.
Posted 2010-09-30 07:55:37 and read 23115 times.

Actually I think I am in the minority who actually preferred the 1990s United livery (AKA battleship grey) over the shades of blue one. The shades of blue is actually pretty boring in my opinion and not enough color contrast.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Aloha717200
Posted 2010-09-30 08:06:42 and read 23038 times.

Quoting Adam T. (Reply 46):
Actually I think I am in the minority who actually preferred the 1990s United livery (AKA battleship grey)

IMO, that livery only looked great at sunset. But the rest of the time it was quite depressing, especially if the paint was old.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: SXDFC
Posted 2010-09-30 08:11:32 and read 23004 times.

Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 40):
Guys .... they have to repaint about 700 airplanes over the coming months .. thats really heavy stuff.

I agree with the statement above, 700 airplanes is ALOT to wrangle with- if they came out with something new all together then that's even more airplanes to re-paint. The current livery combined with the new UA titles looks very nice IMHO.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: FlyNWA727
Posted 2010-09-30 08:12:38 and read 23186 times.

Quoting Adam T. (Reply 46):
Actually I think I am in the minority who actually preferred the 1990s United livery (AKA battleship grey) over the shades of blue one. The shades of blue is actually pretty boring in my opinion and not enough color contrast.

You think a giant slab of drab, depressing gray, mated to an even larger slab of drab, depressing dark blue, is any less "boring" than the beautiful, refreshing, current UA livery??? I think you're definitely in the minority, lol. I loved the old Battleship livery when it was first introduced, but it got really old, really fast.

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 47):
IMO, that livery only looked great at sunset. But the rest of the time it was quite depressing, especially if the paint was old.

  

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Adam T.
Posted 2010-09-30 08:44:00 and read 22842 times.

Quoting FlyNWA727 (Reply 49):
Quoting Adam T. (Reply 46):
Actually I think I am in the minority who actually preferred the 1990s United livery (AKA battleship grey) over the shades of blue one. The shades of blue is actually pretty boring in my opinion and not enough color contrast.

You think a giant slab of drab, depressing gray, mated to an even larger slab of drab, depressing dark blue, is any less "boring" than the beautiful, refreshing, current UA livery??? I think you're definitely in the minority, lol. I loved the old Battleship livery when it was first introduced, but it got really old, really fast.

Grey is one of my favorite colors so yes I guess I am in the minority - you have to admit it at least stood out and was different. The blue UA livery to me doesn't stand out - put it next to a CO, US, or DL plane and all four look the same pretty much with the mainly white fuselage. At least with the battleship grey it stood out more and I think looked more professional, but again that is my opinion.

The blue livery may look "fresher" but that doesn't mean that's it's not boring - at least with DL you have some red with the blue, US you have some grey and red with the blue, and CO you have grey and gold with the blue. UA - you have blue, some more blue, and some more blue. The only other color that stands out on their aircraft is the redish orange on the UA Tulip.

But again that's just my opinion - if you or anyone else thinks the current United Airlines shades of blue livery is awesome that's your opinion, i'm still standing by mine.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: COalways
Posted 2010-09-30 09:37:11 and read 22611 times.

Quoting Adam T. (Reply 50):

I'm with u the battleship was better then UA current Blue all over look it doesn't stand out to much white and Blue but at least now there getting some more colors with the gold and blue.

Anyone know when the FIRST PMUA Aircraft is going to be painted in Continental Colors? I think the airbus is going to look really good. First painted maybe? Or PMUA 757 since there a lot in the fleet or a 747?

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: iahcsr
Posted 2010-09-30 10:58:49 and read 22358 times.

As of yesterday, 739ER ship 442 is scheduled CO346 IAHORD CO747 ORDIAH and 752 ship 124 CO62 IAHEWR CO94 EWRBFS

Quoting COalways (Reply 51):
Anyone know when the FIRST PMUA Aircraft is going to be painted in Continental Colors?

Rumor has it that two UA772s have been completed... We'll know on the 1st, won't we..

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: TOMMY767
Posted 2010-09-30 11:01:25 and read 22134 times.

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 47):
IMO, that livery only looked great at sunset. But the rest of the time it was quite depressing, especially if the paint

Same with CO's as well. It looks way better around sunset.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2010-09-30 11:01:52 and read 22191 times.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 27):

Well that's an easy one. A Continental 737 with the United name pasted on it.
Starting tomorrow, there won't be much of the old United Airlines left anyway other than the name.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: United1
Posted 2010-09-30 11:19:07 and read 22059 times.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 54):
Starting tomorrow, there won't be much of the old United Airlines left anyway other than the name.

Huh? UA makes up half of the management team of the combined company and they haven't made any public announcements regarding the products that they intend to offer. I would suggest that you may be jumping the gun when you say that their wont be much left of United Air Lines except for the name.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: elbandgeek
Posted 2010-09-30 11:36:43 and read 21907 times.

I'll be honest, it does look a lot better on an actual plane than it did on any of the mockups. Still wouldn't be my first choice, but I think I can live with it. Imagine if they had kept the curent CO font like they originally planned, that would have been hideous. (forunately for me though, I'm not as emotionally invested in the whole thing as some others. I'm more excited to see a 717 in canyon blue myself)

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2010-09-30 11:43:33 and read 22069 times.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 54):

There will be three 737 aircraft arriving in Houston tonight with the new paint scheme -- in preparation for whatever is going to happen tomorrow.

        

A total of five lines are being set up in AMA for repainting of aircraft.

http://leadingedgecorp.com/maintenan...lities/facilities/amarillo-tx.html

First flight in new livery is tomorrow leaving Houston at 835AM as CO346 arriving in Chicago at 1115AM

[Edited 2010-09-30 11:46:28]

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Mikey711MN
Posted 2010-09-30 11:47:48 and read 21854 times.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 57):
First flight in new livery is tomorrow leaving Houston at 835AM as CO346 arriving in Chicago at 1115AM

Nuts! I'm on CO246 later that day. So close!

-Mike

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Aloha717200
Posted 2010-09-30 12:08:55 and read 21930 times.

I would have preferred the whole airline just switch to the UA scheme, or make an adaptation of the two liveries together, the way that US did when they were created from HP and the old US.

It's just that the current UA scheme was one of the most graceful and beautiful in the skies. The sad thing is, when they first introduced it, I thought to myself "a scheme that pretty ain't gonna last". Looks like I was right.

Same thing happened to TAME, from a GREAT livery to...well...a piece of crap.


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versus this:

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The new UA livery reminds me strongly of many other post-merger-cover-it-up-with-a-sticker airline paste-jobs. The kind that last for 6 months to a year while the smaller carrier is gobbled up. Except this time, it's the airline's official "brand statement".

I understand the reasoning. But the approach is flawed.


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Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: WesternA318
Posted 2010-09-30 12:11:52 and read 21807 times.

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 58):
The new UA livery reminds me strongly of many other post-merger-cover-it-up-with-a-sticker airline paste-jobs.

Why dont they just put a giant "United's Continental" sticker on it like CO did during the big bang of 1987?

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: United1
Posted 2010-09-30 12:34:13 and read 21665 times.

Have any of the regional airlines started repainting their fleets? There are roughly 600 aircraft just in the commuter fleets.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: hiflyer
Posted 2010-09-30 13:50:32 and read 21356 times.

cud have shud have.....lots of wannabe's

Its cheap to make this change on the CO fleet....anything else would have been big on BOTH fleets...doesn't anyone get it??? M O N E Y

Otherwise betcha a blue belly below the gold cheat line would have looked whole lot better....tied the tail and the vertical wingtips right together.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: timf
Posted 2010-09-30 13:58:20 and read 21362 times.

I just noticed something odd with the photo of the 737 landing. While they were able to cleanly apply the new titles so that you can't see where Continental was removed, you can still see the white outline around the Star Alliance logo where they just stuck the decal on over where the SkyTeam logo used to be. I'm surprised they didn't take this opportunity to apply a more permanent Star Alliance logo (as is the case on new deliveries).

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2010-09-30 15:01:59 and read 21102 times.

Quoting United1 (Reply 60):
Have any of the regional airlines started repainting their fleets? There are roughly 600 aircraft just in the commuter fleets.


There are Mesa, Skywest, and Trans-States planes (I've flown on recently) still in battleship gray-and-navy. But then -- there are Republic planes over on USAir still in Navy Blue and Gray.

I don't think the regionals are going to kill themselves changing liveries.

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Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: acidradio
Posted 2010-09-30 15:38:47 and read 21057 times.

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 58):
Note: Edit reposted with permission of moderator.

Greatly appreciated, thank you  

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: IADCA
Posted 2010-09-30 16:11:01 and read 20764 times.

Quoting FlyNWA727 (Reply 43):
I'm sorry, but the current United Airlines livery (of the actual "United Airlines" and not the merged corporation), is one of the most beautiful liveries ever devised, IMO. Sure I have some bias, as blue is my favorite color, but I feel the current United livery is fresh, contemporary, classy, and plain beautiful.

It looks great in sharpened photographs with enough contrast and not too much distance. However, I see it in person every day flying down the Potomac to DCA, and the problems are many. First, at a distance the tail appears to be completely white. Second, since the colors blend into each other, the border between blue and white looks fuzzy/blurry in anything but bright sunlight. Third, it looks absolutely horrendous on the Airbus narrowbodies. I also find it hideous close up - again, too much white, nothing interesting going on in terms of the fuselage, light blue strip just looks weird. About the only planes it looks good on are the UAX E-Jets. The corporate branding that goes along with it, however, was a tremendous improvement over the logo suite that went along with the battleship grey scheme. That said, if all that the livery has to recommend it is regional jets and baggage carts, that might not be a great endorsement.

I guess, IMO, it's a case of damn good riddance.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: rikkus67
Posted 2010-09-30 16:18:44 and read 20839 times.

Quoting hiflyer (Reply 61):
Its cheap to make this change on the CO fleet....anything else would have been big on BOTH fleets...doesn't anyone get it??? M O N E Y

Otherwise betcha a blue belly below the gold cheat line would have looked whole lot better....tied the tail and the vertical wingtips right together.

M O N E Y ....EXACTLY. This is the easiest way to get the immense fleet into the same name. Since United "proper" still has a lot of battleship grey planes flying, it's a sure bet what part of that fleet will see a change very quickly.

The blue belly scenario was brought to visuals in one of the early paintscheme discussions. It was amazing how much more uniform the paintsceme looked.

As far as the globe versus the tulip... the globe was originally designed with "negative space", the tulip was not. The current United "proper" scheme harkens back to a nod of some of their earlier scheme white and blue schemes. However, I have never liked the faded and negative spaced tulip.... as far as I am concerned it was a butchering of the original tulip.


In whatever way we hash it over and debate over the hybrid scheme, we ALL have to take a deep breath and accept it. It's here to stay, at least for a while. Besides, we could have ended up with something like this:


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Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: CoachClass
Posted 2010-09-30 16:36:40 and read 20624 times.

The proposed livery (especially the tail) just doesn't look right. Period. The whole thing looks like a shotgun wedding and nobody's smiling in the picture.

As the world's largest and "newest" I think UA should do something really way out, like a hologram on the tail with the Continental tail and the UNITED tail, or an entirely new and different brand symbol and a new slogan such as "It's where you really want to be."

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: FlyNWA727
Posted 2010-09-30 17:16:44 and read 20552 times.

Quoting CoachClass (Reply 67):
As the world's largest and "newest" I think UA should do something really way out

Totally agree. These "It's about money" excuses, doesn't bode well for me. If Delta can manage to repaint hundreds of Northwest aircraft into it's livery... including many decades old DC-9s that are on their last lifeline, than CO/UA—as the worlds largest airline with a wide global reach—should be able to devise something much more imaginative, innovative, and new. I could even tolerate this hybrid livery, if CO/UA specifically made it clear that this was just going to be a brief interim livery, but by all accounts they make it clear this is supposed to be the keepsake brand image, for quite some time.

Quoting IADCA (Reply 65):
It looks great in sharpened photographs with enough contrast and not too much distance. However, I see it in person every day flying down the Potomac to DCA, and the problems are many. First, at a distance the tail appears to be completely white. Second, since the colors blend into each other, the border between blue and white looks fuzzy/blurry in anything but bright sunlight. Third, it looks absolutely horrendous on the Airbus narrowbodies. I also find it hideous close up - again, too much white, nothing interesting going on in terms of the fuselage, light blue strip just looks weird.

Sorry, looking at this simple comparison i've just concocted ("old livery" on the left and "new livery" on the right), I'm just not seeing any of what you and a few others, are describing. These photographs certainly aren't "sharpened". To be honest, the new livery would actually appear uglier in a sharpened photo, due to all of the lines and different bands of blue. In any weather condition, the new livery still comes across as re-freshening and colorful. The Battleship Gray, on the other hand, has a drab, depressing, bland look in almost any scenario, especially low lighting conditions.


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Like I said, Battleship Gray is a beautiful livery, but it's relevance faded a long time ago. It's just not a good look now.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: TOMMY767
Posted 2010-09-30 17:23:56 and read 20385 times.

Quoting FlyNWA727 (Reply 70):
Totally agree. These "It's about money" excuses, doesn't bode well for me. If Delta can manage to repaint hundreds of Northwest aircraft into it's livery... including many decades old DC-9s that are on their last lifeline, than CO/UA—as the worlds largest airline with a wide global reach—should be able to devise something much more imaginative, innovative, and new. I could even tolerate this hybrid livery, if CO/UA specifically made it clear that this was just going to be a brief interim livery, but by all accounts they make it clear this is supposed to be the keepsake brand image, for quite some time.

I Completely agree. It doesn't bode well at all. Especially considering CO's scheme is from 1991. The "Battleship Gray" is even 2 years younger then the current CO scheme!

UA's 2004 scheme was the classy and beautiful. There should be a thread titled "RIP UA's 2004 PAINT SCHEME" because THAT WILL be missed!

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: FlyNWA727
Posted 2010-09-30 17:28:37 and read 20360 times.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 69):
As for the livery, I am not in charge, but it shows both airlines. Ones looks (CO) and ones name (UA). Northwest got squat. As did TW, PA (UA and DL acquisitions), etc..

When did UA or DL acquire TWA or Pan Am? I'm no aviation expert, but last I checked, TW was acquired and vaporized by AA; UA purchased PA's pacific network; and DL simply provided financial life support for PA, before hastily deciding to pull the plug and letting PA die. I'm not understanding your comment.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 71):
I Completely agree. It doesn't bode well at all. Especially considering CO's scheme is from 1991. The "Battleship Gray" is even 2 years younger then the current CO scheme!

UA's 2004 scheme was the classy and beautiful. There should be a thread titled "RIP UA's 2004 PAINT SCHEME" because THAT WILL be missed!

Yeah, I honestly will miss Battleship Gray versus this grossly outdated CO scheme.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: ual777
Posted 2010-09-30 19:04:04 and read 20080 times.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 69):
As for the livery, I am not in charge, but it shows both airlines. Ones looks (CO) and ones name (UA). Northwest got squat. As did TW, PA (UA and DL acquisitions), etc..

CO came running when word of the merger with US broke. The name is UNITED, UNITED is bigger, the name is UNITED, and UNITED is aquiring Continental. Continental should get squat.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Airport
Posted 2010-09-30 19:08:08 and read 20021 times.

Quoting FlyNWA727 (Reply 70):
Sorry, looking at this simple comparison i've just concocted ("old livery" on the left and "new livery" on the right), I'm just not seeing any of what you and a few others, are describing. These photographs certainly aren't "sharpened". To be honest, the new livery would actually appear uglier in a sharpened photo, due to all of the lines and different bands of blue. In any weather condition, the new livery still comes across as re-freshening and colorful. The Battleship Gray, on the other hand, has a drab, depressing, bland look in almost any scenario, especially low lighting conditions.

It's something people in casual conversation like this should probably just agree to disagree on. It's all a matter of taste really, and people can have wildly different opinions on what constitutes a good livery. Of course, there are weather and lighting conditions which make one livery look better than another. I personally far prefer the UA Battleship Grey livery, even in the photos you provide (especially the A319). I just think there's just too much bright blue on the new livery without any other complimentary colors, not even for trim. And I'm personally a fan of darker liveries anyway, such as the Northwest Bowling Shoe, the current AA colors, and the old US Airways colors.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 69):
Were you expecting balloons, confetti, fanfare, a band?

Well, it's an incredible once-in-a-blue-moon opportunity that's been totally botched and wasted, that's for sure.

And for those that say it's all about money, then they are vastly underestimating the sheer power of great branding. Sure, this might seem to be the cheaper option, but you have to looke beyond the planes and the ticket counters, and you have to look at the total overall impact. From an opportunity cost standpoint, I think this is a very expensive approach, rather than doing something bold to get people's attention and support. They could have created a new, far-reaching brand that would've blown everyone away. They could have created a brand that truly and universally would unite the employees and greatly boost morale in both companies. They could've created a brand that would've announced to the world that the United States has a new, modern, powerhouse flag carrier that stands for innovation, service, and a change in the airline industry, and built up an corporate image that would be as globally recognized and nationally endeared as Pan Am, or Trans World Airlines.

Sure, to develop such a brand might seem a bit expensive in the short run, but it more than pays off in the long run.

They still have the opportunity to do it, but considering the judgement we've seen of the current management that's taking over, I have a hunch they won't take the opportunity to be bold and do something utterly spectacular.

My 2 cents.

Cheers!
Anthony/Airport

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: sldispatcher
Posted 2010-09-30 19:12:10 and read 20067 times.

I'm guessing this 757 is debuting in IAH in just a few minutes.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/COA9974

I'll be leaving for a flight in the AM for a connection thru IAH..see if I spot it.

And his younger brother will not be too far behind.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/COA9971

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: packcheer
Posted 2010-09-30 19:21:12 and read 19961 times.

Question, maybe some of you know this, maybe no one does.

What happens when planes begin being repainted with regards to ATC.

In the DL/NW merger we saw ATC calls including NW 000 in DL colors, etc...

United is the name, the colors look like CO from a distance..... Will UA flights have to say in CO colors with UA titles? Will it not matter because the call sign and name on the plane match?
When CO planes are repainted will they have to answer as having the UA name on the plane, but still mostly CO colors?


If I remember right, this was only a problem from the time the repaints began until the SOC was received, correct?

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: DualQual
Posted 2010-09-30 20:26:18 and read 19748 times.

Quoting packcheer (Reply 76):
What happens when planes begin being repainted with regards to ATC.

Can't speak for UA side of the house but CO will make the call COA### UA livery.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: type-rated
Posted 2010-09-30 20:44:08 and read 19630 times.

Quoting ual777 (Reply 73):
CO came running when word of the merger with US broke. The name is UNITED, UNITED is bigger, the name is UNITED, and UNITED is aquiring Continental. Continental should get squat.

I am glad that the UA livery is going over to the CO look. Whenever I see an UA plane all I think of is sloppy service, agents that don't care, and surly F/A's. And I am sure I am not the only one that has this in mind.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: KGRB
Posted 2010-09-30 20:45:46 and read 19644 times.

Quoting packcheer (Reply 76):

In the DL/NW merger we saw ATC calls including NW 000 in DL colors, etc...

I think DL/NW only did that to be nice to ATC, not because they had to.

Remember, the 'Chautauqua' call sign is used for aircraft in the UA, DL, YX, F9, and US liveries -- and that's just one example among the regionals. Plus, there are special paint schemes, hybrids etc. for plenty of mainline carriers.

I imagine CO will simply use the 'Continental' callsign and UA will use the 'United' callsign until SOC.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: DualQual
Posted 2010-09-30 20:50:36 and read 19607 times.

Quoting KGRB (Reply 80):
I imagine CO will simply use the 'Continental' callsign and UA will use the 'United' callsign until SOC.

Airplanes that have UAL titles will add United Livery to the Continental Callsign.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: exFATboy
Posted 2010-09-30 21:09:01 and read 19527 times.

Quoting ual777 (Reply 73):
CO came running when word of the merger with US broke. The name is UNITED, UNITED is bigger, the name is UNITED, and UNITED is aquiring Continental. Continental should get squat.

Are you serious? United is also a poorly managed company with a markedly inferior customer service reputation and a balance sheet that's larded up worse than a pot of refried beans the size of the Superdome. So what if they're bigger, bigger is not better. Continental management will be leading the combined company, Tilton is just a figurehead who demanded the CEO role for a while longer to feed his ego after chasing a merger for, well, pretty much his entire tenure at UA. The combined airline only kept the United name because it supposedly has better name recognition internationally. And United is only the nominal acquirer for legal reasons, mainly to avoid triggering payments to the PBGC.

If AA didn't combine an equally craptacular bad balance sheet with a bloated cost structure (thanks to avoiding Chapter 11), CO probably would have sought a merger with them instead, although it might have been a little harder from an antitrust perspective because United was a rounding error in this little place called New York City....

(takes a deep, calming breath)

In reality, both companies bring strengths to the merger. I just find the idea that supposedly UA was a much better company and CO came crawling to them begging for a merger ridiculous.

Getting back to the topic of the livery, while I'm not a big fan of the new UA livery I don't understand why everyone keeps harping on the CO livery for being "outdated". Age is not necessarily bad - the AA livery is even older and still looks great. And "Battleship Grey" was dullness personified, just like US's pre-America West livery. Yawn.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: RIX
Posted 2010-09-30 21:13:18 and read 19514 times.

With CO colors / UA title it looks like it's UA, not CO, that is about to be gone. But once they change the c/s, CO is gone forever, it will be all United...

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2010-09-30 21:21:06 and read 19622 times.

I really did like UA's new    livery. It was very bright and appealing to the eyes and as someone pointed out, fresh. CO's livery was never something to run home and tell your mom about but at the very least I think they could have messed with the font a bit. It just looks real half assed IMO.

A shame UA drug their feet on painting their a/c, I would have really liked to see the entire fleet done but I guess that works out better for them. Less money spent.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: TOMMY767
Posted 2010-09-30 21:35:24 and read 19418 times.

Quoting DualQual (Reply 78):
Airplanes that have UAL titles will add United Livery to the Continental Callsign.

Wait the callsign of the combined carrier is going to be "continental?"

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Antoniemey
Posted 2010-09-30 22:43:19 and read 19214 times.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 82):
Wait the callsign of the combined carrier is going to be "continental?"

No, the Continental planes wearing new titles will be adding the extra declaration.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2010-09-30 23:07:41 and read 19134 times.

I never got the whole "in Delta colors" things. Someone else made a good point that on the ground in ATL for example, you may hear "Acey 4290" but then you have Pinnacle, Comair, ASA, and Mesaba CR2s on the ground.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Antoniemey
Posted 2010-09-30 23:20:47 and read 19067 times.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 84):
I never got the whole "in Delta colors" things. Someone else made a good point that on the ground in ATL for example, you may hear "Acey 4290" but then you have Pinnacle, Comair, ASA, and Mesaba CR2s on the ground.

I think it's unnecessary, but I can understand the reasoning...

In the case of Delta Connection the regional name is fairly prominently placed on the nose of the plane, which means you can tell what plane it is with a pair of binoculars (at most) and a couple of seconds. The "Operated by Northwest" stickers were a lot smaller and harder to see.

On the other hand, how many people working in ATC or a Ground Ops role don't know that Delta bought Northwest and that if you hear/say Northwest and see a Delta plane following your instructions, that's the right plane?

The CO/UA issue is similar... only somewhat more complex, because it's going to be United taking on Continental's colors, but Continental taking on the United name... so you could actually say/hear United and see what looks like a CO plane... but it will say United. Reverse that and say/hear Continental and you see a plane that says United... but looks like a CO plane... Confusing? Yes, but not any more than ATC already is.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Bralo20
Posted 2010-10-01 00:03:13 and read 19027 times.

Actually you're both wrong... He was technically correct since UA is indeed taking over CO and the former UA shareholders will hold a majority of shares in the new holding company. However... It's a merger of equals, this means that both UA and CO will be recognised as equals and they'll each get 50% of the management... Neither CO nor UA will be running the show on his own, they will be doing it together... In the new company UA can't do it without CO but CO can't certainly do it without UA, it's as simple as that... Btw: UA did better then CO if you look at the books... I'll have to admit, UA did had some flaws but so did CO, neither of both is perfect, UA and CO are both decent companies and combined they could be the best (of the US carriers that is).

From my personal view I'm pretty sad that the UA livery will vanish since I did love the UA blue livery... I never liked CO's livery since I find it boring as hell but hey, in a merger each has to give something and in UA's case it's their lovely livery... So let's get over and continue...

Quoting exFATboy (Reply 79):
re you serious? United is also a poorly managed company with a markedly inferior customer service reputation and a balance sheet that's larded up worse than a pot of refried beans the size of the Superdome. So what if they're bigger, bigger is not better. Continental management will be leading the combined company, Tilton is just a figurehead who demanded the CEO role for a while longer to feed his ego after chasing a merger for, well, pretty much his entire tenure at UA. The combined airline only kept the United name because it supposedly has better name recognition internationally.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: EA CO AS
Posted 2010-10-01 01:51:25 and read 19013 times.

Quoting ual777 (Reply 71):
Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 69):
As for the livery, I am not in charge, but it shows both airlines. Ones looks (CO) and ones name (UA). Northwest got squat. As did TW, PA (UA and DL acquisitions), etc..

CO came running when word of the merger with US broke. The name is UNITED, UNITED is bigger, the name is UNITED, and UNITED is aquiring Continental. Continental should get squat.

  

It's that sort of childish "We won, you lost" mentality that makes mergers difficult on employees. That's why this has been and continues to be touted as a merger of equals, with neither side "winning" - the UA name stays, and so does the CO livery. Win-win.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2010-10-01 05:02:44 and read 18817 times.

This is the Continited aircraft new look.

Despite the United name pasted on the fuselage, it looks more Continental to me than United.


(copyright United)

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: aviationweek
Posted 2010-10-01 05:17:54 and read 18768 times.

Here's some more photos of the 737-900ER that starts flying today: http://bit.ly/bGMyR7

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2010-10-01 05:27:35 and read 18579 times.

Quoting aviationweek (Reply 89):
Here's some more photos of the 737-900ER that starts flying today: http://bit.ly/bGMyR7

The new Continited livery is truly unexciting. A Continental aircraft with the United name pasted on it.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Birdwatching
Posted 2010-10-01 05:33:38 and read 18703 times.

Oh yeah, I flew with this plane in 2004.

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Soren   

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2010-10-01 05:39:12 and read 18702 times.

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 91):
Oh yeah, I flew with this plane in 2004.

Very good!

The two liveries now look so much alike. Not much difference.. is there?

 

The Continited look?... how boring!!!!

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: STT757
Posted 2010-10-01 06:10:47 and read 18512 times.

Quoting aviationweek (Reply 89):
Here's some more photos of the 737-900ER that starts flying today: http://bit.ly/bGMyR7

Love it!   

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Antoniemey
Posted 2010-10-01 06:35:07 and read 18263 times.

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 91):
Oh yeah, I flew with this plane in 2004.

See some strange things now and again in the airline business, don't you? What did the inside look like?

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 92):
The Continited look?... how boring!!!!

We get it, you don't like it. Move on, please?

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: deltal1011man
Posted 2010-10-01 06:47:04 and read 18285 times.

Quoting FlyNWA727 (Reply 70):
DL simply provided financial life support for PA, before hastily deciding to pull the plug and letting PA die. I'm not understanding your comment.

Don't forget Delta bought the shuttle and the TATL network too.

Quoting FlyNWA727 (Reply 70):
UA purchased PA's pacific network

and the MIA hub.....something Delta should have NEVER let get away from them. Ron Allen = Stupid

Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 85):
The "Operated by Northwest" stickers were a lot smaller and harder to see.

and in the end some of the 32S(at least) just had the AOC number on them right by the door.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 87):

It's that sort of childish "We won, you lost" mentality that makes mergers difficult on employees. That's why this has been and continues to be touted as a merger of equals, with neither side "winning" - the UA name stays, and so does the CO livery. Win-win.

                          

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: SXDFC
Posted 2010-10-01 07:04:57 and read 18167 times.

The new livery isn't so bad after all, plus the pax wont care about the planes color scheme but more about the Customer Service provided at the airport and on the plane.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 92):
The Continited look?... how boring!!!!
Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 94):
We get it, you don't like it. Move on, please?

  

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Airport
Posted 2010-10-01 08:07:40 and read 17938 times.

Well, I can always dream.     



Cheers!
Anthony/Airport

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: SXDFC
Posted 2010-10-01 08:11:56 and read 17767 times.

Quoting Airport (Reply 98):
Cheers!
Anthony/Airport

WOW what a breath taker!

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2010-10-01 08:13:33 and read 17730 times.

Hey Anthony.

I like that. You've always hit the nail on the head. A shame you're not on the rebranding team.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: EWRCabincrew
Posted 2010-10-01 09:35:01 and read 17444 times.

Quoting ual777 (Reply 71):
UNITED is aquiring Continental

No, UA is not acquiring CO. Read the press merger information. It is a merger of equals, no acquisition. Where in all the UA/CO press releases has it said UA is acquiring CO?

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: UA933
Posted 2010-10-01 09:46:28 and read 17408 times.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 101):
No, UA is not acquiring CO. Read the press merger information. It is a merger of equals, no acquisition. Where in all the UA/CO press releases has it said UA is acquiring CO?

That's just bla bla in the press release... You need to know how the actual financial transaction will take place and yes UA is acquiring CO. The merger of equals is just PR and good for cultural integration

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Antoniemey
Posted 2010-10-01 09:52:02 and read 17367 times.

Quoting UA933 (Reply 102):
and yes UA is acquiring CO

In legal terms, the HOLDING COMPANY that owns UA is acquiring CO.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: TWFirst
Posted 2010-10-01 09:53:16 and read 17380 times.

Quoting UA933 (Reply 102):
That's just bla bla in the press release... You need to know how the actual financial transaction will take place and yes UA is acquiring CO. The merger of equals is just PR and good for cultural integration

Wrong.

For the zillionth time.

UAL Corp no longer exists.

A NEW company was created. It is called United Continental Holdings. It has two subsidiaries: United Airlines and Continental Airlines. Two create this new company, a stock swap was executed. United didn't buy anything. Because of the number of shares outstanding and valuation of each pre-merger company, the percentage of pre-merger United shareholders in the new company is slightly more than half.

It IS structured as a MERGER of EQUALS. The board is 50/50. The execs are 50/50.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: TJM321
Posted 2010-10-01 10:00:38 and read 17293 times.

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 97):

I completely agree.

I've flown on CO quite a bit, and never once have I heard a passenger look out the window, look at the parked aircraft and say "wow what a boring livery, there isn't a chance this flight is going to be a positive experience." At the end of the day, there are a lot of people flying for a lot of different purposes- and the vast majority of them are not going to care too much about the design of the livery; maybe the outside "cleanliness" of the aircraft, but not the ways in which its livery fits (or doesn't fit) their set of personal brand image preferences.

Pretty cookie-cutter argument from the side of those who don't mind the new livery, but I still think the new thing is much, much smarter than it lets on. It's neither a cheap nor quick task to paint 700 planes in a new livery (particularly when every one of them would have to be painted in something new). Nunited is simply (and arguably unconsciously) asserting that it would rather stick around awhile in a profitable manner than spend time, money, and goodwill (which, I imagine, CO has quite a bit of anyway) trying to fiddle with something that is already more than functional. The only real complainers here are going to be sentimentalists of either UAL, CO, or airline travel in general - many of whom would be expected to congregate here on a.net. At the end of the day, we're pretty widely outnumbered by the common traveling public.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: dutchflyboi
Posted 2010-10-01 10:02:28 and read 17329 times.

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 104):
A NEW company was created. It is called United Continental Holdings. It has two subsidiaries: United Airlines and Continental Airlines. Two create this new company, a stock swap was executed.

I hate to say this, but you are incorrect. According to the press release UAL Corp did not cease to exist, but CHANGED the name to United Continental Holdings.
see the press release:
http://ir.unitedcontinentalholdings....icle_Traffic&ID=1473007&highlight=

'Upon the closing of the merger, the holding company, UAL Corporation, will be renamed United Continental Holdings, Inc.'

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: pnwtraveler
Posted 2010-10-01 10:05:24 and read 17252 times.

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 99):
Quoting Airport (Reply 98):
Cheers!
Anthony/Airport

WOW what a breath taker!
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 100):
I like that. You've always hit the nail on the head. A shame you're not on the rebranding team.

I am ambivalent about the new scheme, didn't particularly like the newest old United scheme either, the orange one was ok but very 70's, but that one you have done is a real winner. The darker blue stands out very well. I would still love to see a retro vintage United scheme on an aircraft though.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: AustrianZRH
Posted 2010-10-01 10:11:13 and read 17382 times.

Quoting Airport (Reply 98):

Awesome livery   . Maybe introduce a golden/blue tulip in the size of the letters just in front of the UNITED titles? Wonder how that would look like.

Sometimes I'd love to be more proficient with photoshop  .

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: The777Man
Posted 2010-10-01 10:11:49 and read 17201 times.

Quoting Airport (Reply 98):
Well, I can always dream.

Nice but the engines should have the same blue color as the belly.

The777Man

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: TWFirst
Posted 2010-10-01 10:12:24 and read 17192 times.

Quoting dutchflyboi (Reply 106):
I hate to say this, but you are incorrect. According to the press release UAL Corp did not cease to exist, but CHANGED the name to United Continental Holdings.
see the press release:
http://ir.unitedcontinentalholdings....icle_Traffic&ID=1473007&highlight=

'Upon the closing of the merger, the holding company, UAL Corporation, will be renamed United Continental Holdings, Inc.'

It is structured as a merger of equals. It is NOT, as the previous poster claimed, just "bla bla PR". That is undeniable.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: timberwolf24
Posted 2010-10-01 10:14:34 and read 17205 times.

Has a pre-merger United aircraft been paint yet? If not does anyone know when the first pre-merger United aircraft will be repainted?

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: TSS
Posted 2010-10-01 10:21:08 and read 17149 times.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 109):
Nice but the engines should have the same blue color as the belly.

I thought so too, but after seeing that in earlier threads on this subject I've changed my mind. Painting the engines the same color as the belly tips the scale into the "too much blue" category. Also, painting the engines blue makes the livery look a little bit too Delta-ish.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: dutchflyboi
Posted 2010-10-01 10:21:45 and read 17157 times.

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 110):
It is structured as a merger of equals. It is NOT, as the previous poster claimed, just "bla bla PR". That is undeniable.

I agree it is a merger among equals. I was responding on the poster's claim that a new company was formed. It was not. UAL Corp was renamed United Continental Holding to reflect the merger of equals.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: TWFirst
Posted 2010-10-01 10:24:50 and read 17149 times.

Quoting TSS (Reply 112):
I thought so too, but after seeing that in earlier threads on this subject I've changed my mind. Painting the engines the same color as the belly tips the scale into the "too much blue" category. Also, painting the engines blue makes the livery look a little bit too Delta-ish.

I agree. But I believe the UNITED title should be blue... definitely not black. I'd also probably make the gray cheatline all gold.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: United787
Posted 2010-10-01 10:32:57 and read 17060 times.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 56):
There will be three 737 aircraft arriving in Houston tonight with the new paint scheme -- in preparation for whatever is going to happen tomorrow.

Has there been some sort of merger closing ceremony somewhere where they will show off the new ugly plane? I haven't been able to find any information on a such an event occuring...

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: iahcsr
Posted 2010-10-01 10:42:23 and read 17142 times.

It's hard to see clearly, but it seems Ship 442 had become Ship 0442. So I presume Ship 124 is now 0124.   

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: United1
Posted 2010-10-01 10:44:58 and read 16979 times.

Quoting iahcsr (Reply 116):
It's hard to see clearly, but it seems Ship 442 had become Ship 0442. So I presume Ship 124 is now 0124.   

That would make since as UA uses 4 digit ship numbers probably anything starting with a 0 is going to be a PMCO plane.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Aloha717200
Posted 2010-10-01 11:19:53 and read 16937 times.

I still like this hybrid best:

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: TOMMY767
Posted 2010-10-01 11:30:26 and read 16677 times.

That new safety video is messy. I hope they tweak it.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Style
Posted 2010-10-01 11:40:56 and read 16658 times.

In regards to the livery, what don't people understand in regards to what Jeff Smisek and the new management team have said since the start of this? The name will remain United and the branding and logo will be Continental. They are not creating a new brand, it already exists, they are simply expanding on it and merging it into the old UA. Just as the United name will merge into the old CO.

I don't think this is about money or logistics, i think it was clearly a statement on what this truly merged carrier will be, a name with global reach and a brand with high quality recognition.

As for the "we bough them" or "we're running the show comments", its getting old. If some of these ignorant comments like the ones coming from UA933 and ual777 were actually researched and verified, this kind of back and forth rhetoric wouldn't exist.

Look at the legal facts. UAL changes name to United Continental holdings with an INDEPENDENT board evenly split by directors chosen from both companies. Who represents the shareholders? Board of Directors. Who is the CEO, Jeff Smisek, a CO guy who is the highest ranking executive in this new company.

Nobody 'won', its equal. Get over the ego thing

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: hiflyer
Posted 2010-10-01 12:37:06 and read 16424 times.

Quoting Airport (Reply 98):
Well, I can always dream.

You dream well....but have to agree with the gold cheat line ...motors not so sure which way now.....sorta like the lighter color as a contrast...will make those big 777/787 motors look even bigger against a darker lower fuselage. And yeah...United could be a font size larger...or two.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: legacyins
Posted 2010-10-01 12:56:52 and read 16586 times.

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Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: TJM321
Posted 2010-10-01 13:16:55 and read 16235 times.

Quoting Reply 124):
I don't think this is about money or logistics, i think it was clearly a statement on what this truly merged carrier will be, a name with global reach and a brand with high quality recognition.

I think it is, at least for the relatively short term, about all of the above.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Airport
Posted 2010-10-01 13:21:14 and read 16461 times.

This was posted on FlyerTalk, the first glimpse at a United Express aircraft in the new livery.



Cheers!
Anthony/Airport

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: N766UA
Posted 2010-10-01 13:26:56 and read 16196 times.

Quoting Airport (Reply 128):
This was posted on FlyerTalk, the first glimpse at a United Express aircraft in the new livery.

I like the look of that better. I think adding "Airlines" to the mainline scheme would help balance it out some.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: AirCalSNA
Posted 2010-10-01 13:33:58 and read 16174 times.

Unfortunately the pictures of the proposed hybrid scheme, if that's even an accurate way to describe it, look much better than the reality. Putting the name "United" over Continental's colors and logo makes the whole thing look like something that Microsoft would have dreamed up for one of their FS default airlines. UA/CO really needs to rethink this!

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Airport
Posted 2010-10-01 13:35:18 and read 16451 times.

I don't know who did this, but whoever did it, I think this is an outstanding photoshop job. I found this posted on facebook, and according to the description it's not official, it was fanmade. Whoever did it please post here or shoot me a message so I can properly credit you.

A rendition of a UA 747-400 in the new livery.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs652.snc4/61213_1313562093936_1677195060_607914_1030836_n.jpg

Cheers!
Anthony/Airport

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: TOMMY767
Posted 2010-10-01 13:40:02 and read 16256 times.

Quoting Airport (Reply 130):
A rendition of a UA 747-400 in the new livery.

WOW. Now that looks better than the 739 for sure!

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Blueman87
Posted 2010-10-01 13:48:52 and read 16146 times.

That looks better then the Computer image better then i thought good pic

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: FlyNWA727
Posted 2010-10-01 13:51:05 and read 16141 times.

I don't understand why they didn't just stick to the United font since it's so much similar to this new font. At least it looks a bit more stylized. And without the Tulip, the "United" titling looks so bland and boring. It looks much better on the 744, but that's not saying much. That United Express pic looked really great surprisingly. It kind of reaffirms what many others have said ... that at least on all the aircraft (minus the 744 maybe) the titling should be "United Airlines" and they can even put the word "Airlines" in the grey color and "United" in some shade of blue.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: TOMMY767
Posted 2010-10-01 13:54:21 and read 16230 times.

This is pretty cool:

http://cgi.ua.flightlookup.com/route...anding&linkTitle=dynamic+Route+Map

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: oa260
Posted 2010-10-01 13:55:44 and read 16111 times.

Quoting Airport (Reply 130):
A rendition of a UA 747-400 in the new livery.

Looks very nice. Still will take some getting used to because when you look at it you think Continental but then look at the ''United'' titles.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: The777Man
Posted 2010-10-01 14:03:20 and read 16075 times.

Quoting United1 (Reply 117):
That would make since as UA uses 4 digit ship numbers probably anything starting with a 0 is going to be a PMCO plane.

I think the CO planes will eventually get UA fleetnumbers and keeping a system with different configurations like UA. I guess 0442 means that a UA 739 will be 0 and then the reg. number. A CO 753 will probably start with 5 like UA but with the second digit changed eg Nxx860 will be 5160. It's just an example of what the fleet numbers could be like, not an actual feet number.

The777Man

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: FriendlySkies
Posted 2010-10-01 14:58:36 and read 15873 times.

Whatever the logo on the tail, it's great to see a 737 with "United" on it again!

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: drerx7
Posted 2010-10-01 15:38:52 and read 15716 times.

Since its official now - any heads up on upgauges between hubs?

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Antoniemey
Posted 2010-10-01 15:44:33 and read 15683 times.

Quoting N766UA (Reply 128):
I like the look of that better. I think adding "Airlines" to the mainline scheme would help balance it out some.

I agree... but the placement they use to avoid overlapping the door makes the titles on the ERJs look a bit misplaced to me... Always has been that way, though...

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Giancavia
Posted 2010-10-01 15:51:32 and read 15663 times.

That 747 belly just has way to much dull grey on it. JUMBO dullness. Make it dark blue.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: ER757
Posted 2010-10-01 16:36:15 and read 15483 times.

Quoting Airport (Reply 130):
A rendition of a UA 747-400 in the new livery.

That's actually pretty nice. Hope the real thing has the "UNITED" titles that size.
Liked the Express RJ too - I had said in an earlier discussion that the mainline aircraft should have "Airlines" added and that RJ makes me think that's a good idea.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: ikramerica
Posted 2010-10-01 16:44:21 and read 15440 times.

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 140):
That 747 belly just has way to much dull grey on it. JUMBO dullness. Make it dark blue.

The more I see it, the more I think that to "save money" UA should paint the current blue birds with blue bellies. See which they prefer once there are enough in both schemes, and then decide on whether to paint the new planes and battleship planes in the "current" livery, or the revised blue belly livery.

As for returning the tulip in some way? GIVE IT UP, PEOPLE. It's dead. It ain't comin' back.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Antoniemey
Posted 2010-10-01 16:55:42 and read 15379 times.

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 139):
The more I see it, the more I think that to "save money" UA should paint the current blue birds with blue bellies.

I like your line of thought, but it wouldn't really save any money (as I'm sure you know based on the quotes) since we're talking two different colors of blue.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: ikramerica
Posted 2010-10-01 17:01:39 and read 15378 times.

Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 140):
I like your line of thought, but it wouldn't really save any money (as I'm sure you know based on the quotes) since we're talking two different colors of blue.

Well the bottom blue of the current UA birds is pretty dark. Dark enough. Maybe not the exact color of the mock-up, but that's just a mock-up. I think contrasted with a silver or gold stripe, it will look "dark enough" to give UA execs a feel for the overall scheme in real world lighting conditions.

I agree with others that the weakest part of the CO livery is the grey belly. And yet changing it would do NOTHING to alter the overall brand image chosen nor any new color schemes for kiosks, clubs, etc. All the colors are still there, just used in different ratios on the aircraft.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: brilondon
Posted 2010-10-02 06:02:48 and read 14904 times.

Quoting United1 (Reply 54):
Huh? UA makes up half of the management team of the combined company and they haven't made any public announcements regarding the products that they intend to offer. I would suggest that you may be jumping the gun when you say that their wont be much left of United Air Lines except for the name.

With the crappy paint job looking like CO's, public perception would be that CO is the clear winner because what you see is CO planes with a ugly black United title on it.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: STT757
Posted 2010-10-02 06:16:23 and read 15133 times.

Quoting ER757 (Reply 138):
Liked the Express RJ too

The "UNITED EXPRESS" looks nice;


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Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: EA CO AS
Posted 2010-10-02 08:10:35 and read 14737 times.

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Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Sulley
Posted 2010-10-02 08:15:49 and read 14624 times.

The ERJ looks great... it's growing on me.

The 757 looks good too - so shiny and new looking. I hope CO is in charge of keeping the planes at the new UA clean and painted...

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: NASCARAirforce
Posted 2010-10-02 08:17:32 and read 14591 times.

When are we going to see the first A319/320 in the new colors? the 747?

There were about 10 United 757s at Pemco at TPA last week, are they getting the paint while they are there?

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: flyPBA
Posted 2010-10-02 08:48:01 and read 14449 times.

I notice that "ExpressJet" titles on the nacelles are gone ...

will Continental Connection become United Express? or United Connection?

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: JBo
Posted 2010-10-02 09:13:37 and read 14386 times.

Quoting flyPBA (Reply 147):
I notice that "ExpressJet" titles on the nacelles are gone ...

will Continental Connection become United Express? or United Connection?

I've heard rumors that could go either way.

Doesn't surprise me that they repainted the nacelles on the ExpressJet aircraft, what with the ASA merger and all.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: mrskyguy
Posted 2010-10-02 14:18:49 and read 14078 times.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 88):
Despite the United name pasted on the fuselage, it looks more Continental to me than United.

Oh Madame, your thoughts on the merger and your "save the tulip" campaigns have documented your feelings about the merger well. I'd say the livery was a minor concession for United to give to COA in order to ultimately become the winning brand.


I'm going to stick my neck out against the current and say the new livery looks fantastic!   

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: FRAspotter
Posted 2010-10-02 14:38:00 and read 13896 times.

Ok, now that the merger took effect yesterday and by now all of us have seen the UA/CO 739ER pics, when will UA begin their part in the rebranding? Such as when can we see the switch to the globe scheme on their website and signage at airports begin to be switched out?

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Antoniemey
Posted 2010-10-02 16:35:55 and read 13670 times.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 143):
The "UNITED EXPRESS" looks nice;
Quoting flyPBA (Reply 147):
I notice that "ExpressJet" titles on the nacelles are gone ...

Looks nice, but incomplete without the titles on the nacelles...

Quoting flyPBA (Reply 147):
will Continental Connection become United Express? or United Connection?

I was wondering that too... Either way, there'll be a bunch of planes to retitle.

Quoting JBo (Reply 148):
Doesn't surprise me that they repainted the nacelles on the ExpressJet aircraft, what with the ASA merger and all.

No, it's not a surprise... but I think it would be nice if they had the Regional partners put their names on the engines nacelles on all of the rear-engined planes... I'm guessing they wouldn't do that (if they even considered it) for consistency of placement with the E-170/175s.

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 150):
Such as when can we see the switch to the globe scheme on their website and signage at airports begin to be switched out?

Dunno about the website, though I wonder if they might not do it the easy way by simply re-doing to graphics on the current CO site and then moving it to the United domain... I'm guessing they've probably considered that option, re-skinning the current UA site, and building a new site with the best features of both. One would hope they choose option three, which means that it could be a little while before it's done, depending on when they started the job.

For the in-airport signage, how long did it take DL to start? In some cities it will be easy... in some, not so much...

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Tigerguy
Posted 2010-10-02 21:48:14 and read 13042 times.

So...I was at LAX today in the walkway between terminals 6 and 7, and it just so happened that one of the freshly painted planes was sitting at gate 60. (N53442, to be exact) I've got to say that the plane looks a heck of a lot better now that I've seen one up close and personal. It may not be the greatest of possible solutions, but I deem it acceptable for now.

However, they should really paint the whole vertical fin on the 737s instead of leaving the little white triangle at the bottom.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Giancavia
Posted 2010-10-03 02:42:24 and read 12669 times.

Quoting mrskyguy (Reply 149):
I'm going to stick my neck out against the current and say the new livery looks fantastic!

lol i dont think the point most ppl are making is its a bad livery continental had. I think its that it is infact not a "new" livery. Just a mish mash of 2 existing which looks like an underwhelming lack of effort and creativity. Hope that doesnt represent the new airline.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: LouieP2186
Posted 2010-10-03 03:22:13 and read 12650 times.

EMB-145 going to SLW for paint:

Ship # 138 (Flight 4930 Today)
Ship # 137 (Flight 4931 Today)

These are the next 2 for paint.

Current "Continental" A/C in AMA for Paint are:

B737-800:

Ship # 212 (ETR is 10/9/10)
Ship # 519* (ETR is Today and as of right now no ferry info is in the system)

B757-200:

Ship # 130

*A/C is marked for "Stencil" so I am assuming it's the removal of "Continental" and adding "UNITED"

Next for AMA:

B737-800:

Ship # 290 & 238

B757-200:

Ship # 128

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: FriendlySkies
Posted 2010-10-03 06:52:29 and read 12459 times.

Any word on what's going on as far as repainting on the UA side? I'm assuming they will resume painting as needed until the CO fleet is fully complete?

I'd also love to see them do a UA retrojet (there is already a CO retro paint), but that's probably just a dream at this point...a 757 in the 40s mainliner scheme or the 60s scheme would be great, or a 762 in the original Saul Bass colors.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: BACCALA
Posted 2010-10-03 10:30:11 and read 12180 times.

Quoting Sulley (Reply 145):
The ERJ looks great... it's growing on me.

The 757 looks good too - so shiny and new looking. I hope CO is in charge of keeping the planes at the new UA clean and painted...

That would be great, I flew on UA last month and I saw at least 3 planes in SEA that looked like it was painted in 1980 and about 12 in DEN.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: ikramerica
Posted 2010-10-03 10:59:28 and read 12106 times.

The larger the aircraft, the less I like the grey belly. Looks bad enough on the 777s CO has, but awful on the 747 mock-ups. A blue belly makes much more of a visual statement, and would cost so little in comparison to a new livery entirely. UA has a large fleet of aircraft with blue bellies.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: JBo
Posted 2010-10-03 11:07:30 and read 12059 times.

Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 151):
No, it's not a surprise... but I think it would be nice if they had the Regional partners put their names on the engines nacelles on all of the rear-engined planes... I'm guessing they wouldn't do that (if they even considered it) for consistency of placement with the E-170/175s.

It's a nice thought in theory - but as you pointed out, there would be inconsistencies with the E170s and turboprop fleets. Plus, the CRJs don't have as much space on the nacelles to put the operator logo, either. Which is probably why Chautauqua didn't put theirs on the engines when they started flying for CO.

There are also some of the regionals who have really ugly logos that wouldn't look good painted anywhere on the aircraft.

It's probably best - and most consistent - to do what the current UA livery has (and appears to be carried over to the repainted XE aircraft) and have the operator name prominently displayed in plain type.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: ukoverlander
Posted 2010-10-03 11:28:58 and read 12107 times.

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 157):
The larger the aircraft, the less I like the grey belly. Looks bad enough on the 777s CO has, but awful on the 747 mock-ups. A blue belly makes much more of a visual statement, and would cost so little in comparison to a new livery entirely. UA has a large fleet of aircraft with blue bellies.

But it's not going to happen.

I think Continental's old 747's looked fine in the globe CO livery when they were using them in the early 90's. It'll look just as fine when you replace the word Continental with United.


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Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: LouieP2186
Posted 2010-10-03 18:44:41 and read 11644 times.

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 154):
Any word on what's going on as far as repainting on the UA side? I'm assuming they will resume painting as needed until the CO fleet is fully complete?

I'd also love to see them do a UA retrojet (there is already a CO retro paint), but that's probably just a dream at this point...a 757 in the 40s mainliner scheme or the 60s scheme would be great, or a 762 in the original Saul Bass colors.

They are aiming to get the fleet done by spring. As for the Retro jet....don't get your hopes up, Continental repaints planes every 7 years, the Retro jet has about 5.5 years left, then you can kiss it good bye as of right now.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: N766UA
Posted 2010-10-03 20:40:19 and read 11467 times.

Quoting LouieP2186 (Reply 159):
They are aiming to get the fleet done by spring.

United is? It's been what, 6 years since they introduced their own new livery and 1/3 of the fleet is still grey... and they're going to do it all over again by spring? Or do you mean spring of 2018?

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: drerx7
Posted 2010-10-03 20:43:47 and read 11463 times.

Quoting N766UA (Reply 160):
United is? It's been what, 6 years since they introduced their own new livery and 1/3 of the fleet is still grey... and they're going to do it all over again by spring? Or do you mean spring of 2018?

...under new management...

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: N766UA
Posted 2010-10-03 21:01:53 and read 11397 times.

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 161):
...under new management...

We'll see!

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: KGRB
Posted 2010-10-03 21:05:43 and read 11474 times.

Quoting LouieP2186 (Reply 159):
the Retro jet has about 5.5 years left, then you can kiss it good bye as of right now.

And you know they wont do retro jets in the future? I agree that getting the PMUA fleet in the new colors is priority #1 for the time being, I could see them doing a few retro jets afterward.

Add me to the list that would like to see these two again...

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Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: LouieP2186
Posted 2010-10-03 21:05:58 and read 11421 times.

Quoting N766UA (Reply 160):
United is? It's been what, 6 years since they introduced their own new livery and 1/3 of the fleet is still grey... and they're going to do it all over again by spring? Or do you mean spring of 2018?

Sorry no Continental is. We asked the United guys that and they are just excited to have 1 paint job and not 2 .....along with the engine cowlings that get changed out between TED, and the dark and light blue ones.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: N766UA
Posted 2010-10-03 21:17:00 and read 11359 times.

Quoting LouieP2186 (Reply 164):

Can't blame them! Some of those mixed and matched jets can get kinda sketchy looking. Hopefully UAL won't be too far behind Continental!

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: LouieP2186
Posted 2010-10-03 22:03:40 and read 11319 times.

Quoting KGRB (Reply 163):
And you know they wont do retro jets in the future?

Coming from my GM at the station the RetroJet will be painted in the current "UNITED" colors once it's due.....not a lot of us would like that changed and in fact I would love to see a few United Retro's cause you know we can't forget where our airline came from. I am just crossing my fingers. This merger is overwhelming for a lot of us Continental employee's.....

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Schweigend
Posted 2010-10-03 22:15:14 and read 11279 times.

CO likes to keeps its planes looking shiny and fresh -- IMO this will apply to the new UAL. The faded UA grey-bodies should be the first to get the new look.

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 158):
I think Continental's old 747's looked fine in the globe CO livery when they were using them in the early 90's. It'll look just as fine when you replace the word Continental with United.

Great pic! Yes, they did look fine. The grey under-body shown in the 744 mock-up image is just too dark. CO uses a very light shade of grey.

I've now seen one 757 and three 737s up close at IAH with the new titles and fresh all-over paint -- the new livery is starting to look better and better.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: ukoverlander
Posted 2010-10-03 22:50:30 and read 11305 times.

Quoting LouieP2186 (Reply 166):

And you know they wont do retro jets in the future?

What can I say? One third of the United fleet are "retro jets"....how much more retro do you want to get?

Let's hope Smisek gets right into it and gets those old United aircraft painted as quickly as possible. Some of the existing United aircraft I see here in San Francisco are an absolute disgrace. The paint is barely hanging off them.


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Add to that the 777 fleet and the abysmal conversion rate to the new business class and there's an awful lot of work to do compared to the standard that Continental have set.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Antoniemey
Posted 2010-10-03 23:07:30 and read 11215 times.

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 168):
Add to that the 777 fleet and the abysmal conversion rate to the new business class and there's an awful lot of work to do compared to the standard that Continental have set.

This is true... I know a lot of UA fans have said that UA has improved their customer service standards a lot over the past few years... and I DO believe that. One place where CO was decidedly superior, however, is getting things done quickly. If CO decides to make a mod to the fleet, it's done as quickly as possible. UA seems to have been content, in recent years, to take their own sweet time in getting fleet mods (and PAINTING) done. It will be nice if the new UA has anything even approaching CO's speed in these kinds of things.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2010-10-03 23:14:28 and read 11192 times.

Quoting Airport (Reply 97):
Well, I can always dream.

I envision something similar, but with the gold cheatline and blue nacelles.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Schweigend
Posted 2010-10-03 23:38:55 and read 11163 times.

Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 169):
If CO decides to make a mod to the fleet, it's done as quickly as possible. UA seems to have been content, in recent years, to take their own sweet time in getting fleet mods (and PAINTING) done. It will be nice if the new UA has anything even approaching CO's speed in these kinds of things.

It is a principle CO has stuck with -- hopefully to be carried over to the new UA. The MCO MX base could start work on winglets and interior mods for current UA aircraft. I was surprised today at IAH when I saw a UAL 757 at C-20 -- painted in UA's new blue scheme, but no winglets! Do any UA 757s have winglets?

That plane was here for the Cubs, I believe.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: LouieP2186
Posted 2010-10-03 23:41:33 and read 11141 times.

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 168):
What can I say? One third of the United fleet are "retro jets"....how much more retro do you want to get?

Good Point lol.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: drerx7
Posted 2010-10-04 05:16:07 and read 11017 times.

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 171):
was surprised today at IAH when I saw a UAL 757 at C-20 -- painted in UA's new blue scheme, but no winglets! Do any UA 757s have winglets?

Yeah, I don't know the exact numbers but I believe UA's ETOPS and P.S. birds are wingletted. I flew one from DEN-LAX whose flight number was continuing on to LIH - but at LAX it turned to ORD and the LIH flight number switched to another 757 with winglets.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: 413X3
Posted 2010-10-04 08:38:45 and read 10770 times.

I think this livery is horrible. A basic font for United on the side, could they have done it any more cheaply? It looks like a cargo airline livery. How about an italic and better designed UNITED across the side of the planes? On a bigger plane it just looks even worse!

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: iflykpdx
Posted 2010-10-04 09:17:45 and read 10674 times.

I agree the safety video is terrible. Monotonous and dull, you'll be asleep halfway through. Should've gone with the edgier style the DL video uses. It's like they didn't even try...

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: CoachClass
Posted 2010-10-04 09:37:10 and read 10604 times.

My apologies in advance, but it reminds me of All in the Family where Archie Bunker describes a hermaphrodite as "A little bit of each but not enough of neither."

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: KGRB
Posted 2010-10-04 10:48:32 and read 10561 times.

Quoting iflykpdx (Reply 175):
I agree the safety video is terrible. Monotonous and dull, you'll be asleep halfway through. Should've gone with the edgier style the DL video uses. It's like they didn't even try...

I think that it's simply a stop-gap solution until integration.... at least that's the impression given to the viewer. And if that's the case, shame on UA/CO for not putting more effort into the video.

A lot of criticism was given to Smisek for his part in the video, but I didn't find it all that bad (though it wasn't *good* either). As a member of the broadcast industry, the poor production value is what really ticks me off. The transitions aren't very smooth visually - or aurally (I love "Rhapsody in Blue", but what they did with it sounds like the product of a first-time user of Final Cut Pro!) And the new logo should've been used throughout. The tulip is dead. End of story.

If there's anything we can all agree on (I love to find a consensus!  ), it's that, hopefully, the CO way of thinking will win out when it comes to the painting/cleaning/modifying of aircraft and the UA way of thinking wins out when it comes to marketing.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: CharlieNoble
Posted 2010-10-04 11:27:13 and read 10445 times.

Quoting 413X3 (Reply 174):
I think this livery is horrible. A basic font for United on the side, could they have done it any more cheaply? It looks like a cargo airline livery. How about an italic and better designed UNITED across the side of the planes? On a bigger plane it just looks even worse!

Might just be me...but the 'new' U N I T E D font looks more like the font on the old school United red white & blue liveries...check this DC-8 out: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Unite...d=420e478d9860a4e4810f197c45adecd2

Maybe that was the effect they were going for.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: TOMMY767
Posted 2010-10-04 11:34:19 and read 10381 times.

Quoting KGRB (Reply 177):
I think that it's simply a stop-gap solution until integration.... at least that's the impression given to the viewer. And if that's the case, shame on UA/CO for not putting more effort into the video.

Well let's be frank: CO has never been known for style and creativity in their advertising or branding. What you see is what you get in the video.

I agree. The new UA could take some notes from DL, as we all know how exciting of a brand "Northwest" was. Or realistically just get UA's marketing team on board because they knew how to brand the Tulip to a form of excellence in advertising.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: United787
Posted 2010-10-04 11:42:20 and read 10379 times.

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 168):
Add to that the 777 fleet and the abysmal conversion rate to the new business class and there's an awful lot of work to do compared to the standard that Continental have set.

Actually the rate of the conversion wasn't that slow, it was the delay in starting the 777 fleet that set things back as the 763 international fleet and entire 744 fleet (except one domestic filler temporarily out of retirement) have been complete for about a year. That said, UA is 55% complete with it's international business conversion, CO is only 42% complete, see link below.

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 171):
but no winglets! Do any UA 757s have winglets?

UA has 16 752s wingletted...they seem to have stopped and I wonder if there is a magic price for oil that makes feasible for them...which may be different than DL and AA.

BTW, I have expanded the thread United Existing Fleet Upgrade Status to include CO's fleet and the new livery status. Please feel free to add your information.

United Existing Fleet Upgrade Status (by United787 Jun 1 2010 in Civil Aviation)

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Sulley
Posted 2010-10-04 12:08:07 and read 10269 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 180):
Actually the rate of the conversion wasn't that slow, it was the delay in starting the 777 fleet that set things back as the 763 international fleet and entire 744 fleet (except one domestic filler temporarily out of retirement) have been complete for about a year. That said, UA is 55% complete with it's international business conversion, CO is only 42% complete, see link below.

CO is 64% finished with the new BF cabin on the 777-200... CO has always moved a lot quicker in regards to upgrades and painting planes than UA.

I was so happy to be on a new CO 737-900 with DirecTV and a modern, clean cabin last night after flying on two 20 year old UA 757s this weekend...

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: TOMMY767
Posted 2010-10-04 12:20:27 and read 10211 times.

Quoting Sulley (Reply 181):
CO is 64% finished with the new BF cabin on the 777-200... CO has always moved a lot quicker in regards to upgrades and painting planes than UA.

What painting? CO hasn't changed their color scheme since 1991.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: United1
Posted 2010-10-04 12:36:18 and read 10171 times.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 182):
Quoting Sulley (Reply 181):
CO is 64% finished with the new BF cabin on the 777-200... CO has always moved a lot quicker in regards to upgrades and painting planes than UA.

What painting? CO hasn't changed their color scheme since 1991.

CO was dragging their feet big time repainting their fleet up until Gordo came along and made it a priority.

Smisek has said that they intend on rebranding the fleet as quickly as possibly which is probably why we are seeing CO planes go into the hanger first....

I have a feeling their plan is get United onto the side of all PMCO aircraft as quickly as possible and then start on repainting the PMUA fleet into their new colors.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Slider
Posted 2010-10-04 12:46:40 and read 10120 times.

Quoting flyPBA (Reply 146):
will Continental Connection become United Express? or United Connection?

All regional operations will fall under the “United Express” banner.

Quoting LouieP2186 (Reply 159):
They are aiming to get the fleet done by spring.

I don’t know where you hear this, but this is incorrect. Besides being logistically nigh impossible (DL has had the fastest full fleet repaint and it was something to behold and even then about, what, 90% of mainline fleet within 1 full calendar year?), it’s not going to happen that quickly. Perhaps by end of calendar 2011.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: United1
Posted 2010-10-04 12:55:20 and read 10087 times.

Quoting Slider (Reply 184):
Quoting LouieP2186 (Reply 159):
They are aiming to get the fleet done by spring.

I don’t know where you hear this, but this is incorrec

I think he is referring to COs fleet being done by the spring. I'm guessing they want to have UA on the side of every aircraft before "customer day 1."

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Sulley
Posted 2010-10-04 13:42:14 and read 10060 times.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 182):
What painting? CO hasn't changed their color scheme since 1991.

They haven't had any livery changes, but they also don't have any planes with paint in such bad shape as UA either.

Maybe it's because CO washes their planes more than once every decade?  

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Antoniemey
Posted 2010-10-04 13:44:50 and read 9993 times.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 182):
What painting? CO hasn't changed their color scheme since 1991.

And do you see pictures of CO aircraft with peeling titles, visibly faded paint, or missing patches of paint?

Didn't think so. They may not have to paint them into a new scheme, but they do what is necessary to make every plane look like it was painted recently, and not flying back and forth to the underworld.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Sulley
Posted 2010-10-04 13:48:13 and read 9956 times.

oooh, can't forget frames with engines that have mismatched nacelle covers or nose cones. Saw many of those with one or both at ORD this weekend...

Poor little 757s. CO's gonna make you all better.

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Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: ukoverlander
Posted 2010-10-04 13:49:21 and read 9970 times.

Quoting Sulley (Reply 181):
That said, UA is 55% complete with it's international business conversion, CO is only 42% complete, see link below.

Furthermore the original "Business First" product on Continental is one heck of a lot better than the 'non-upgraded' business class product on the majority of United's 777's. The old United business class is horrible.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: aerokiwi
Posted 2010-10-04 14:12:20 and read 9902 times.

Quoting FlyNWA727 (Reply 43):
The livery barely had time to make it onto all of United's fleet, before we are forced to be trusted two decades back in time with this outdated Continental hybrid livery.

What? The last tulip livery was introduced in, what, 2004, 2005? United had years to get their livery sorted. Evidently they valued their own brand a lot less than you did.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: amwest2united
Posted 2010-10-04 15:25:15 and read 9759 times.

Quoting Slider (Reply 184):

I don’t know where you hear this, but this is incorrect. Besides being logistically nigh impossible (DL has had the fastest full fleet repaint and it was something to behold and even then about, what, 90% of mainline fleet within 1 full calendar year?), it’s not going to happen that quickly. Perhaps by end of calendar 2011.

Please support your "matter of fact" statement that the poster is incorrect?

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: TOMMY767
Posted 2010-10-04 15:41:10 and read 9708 times.

Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 187):
Didn't think so.

Considering it's such bland coloring (white top, gray bottom, painted tail) they really don't have to do many touch ups. It's a low MX color scheme.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: pnwtraveler
Posted 2010-10-04 15:53:44 and read 9681 times.

The Continental aircraft will be the easiest and cheapest to change over. Is all the aircraft being "painted" or are the titles just being changed with a decal?

The United aircraft need the most work because it is a whole paint redo rather than a decal or quick update. So I would assume these will more likely be scheduled along with maintenance.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: mattdell
Posted 2010-10-04 16:14:54 and read 9646 times.

Quoting United1 (Reply 183):
Smisek has said that they intend on rebranding the fleet as quickly as possibly which is probably why we are seeing CO planes go into the hanger first....

Yeah, I think it comes down to getting all United Airlines planes with United branding on them. It's less confusing to customers to hop on a plane with an old livery than to step onto a plane with another airline's name still printed on it.

-Matt

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: aviateur
Posted 2010-10-04 16:32:09 and read 9616 times.

The UA/CO "Continented" livery is a most grotesque hybrid. I mean, I understand the spirit, but they managed to get it backwards. This awkward fusion manages to preserve the worst aspects of each carrier's identity as it jettisons the best.

The best being United's current tail design -- a truncated, feathery version of its familiar "U" emblem. Continental's tail, on the other hand, bland and ultra-corporate, looks like a PowerPoint slide. Continental's two-tone flanks and thin gold cheat-line, meanwhile, are more handsome than United's anemic blue and white.

They ought to have kept the overall United template and simply added some secondary color to the body .

PS

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Antoniemey
Posted 2010-10-04 16:38:44 and read 9582 times.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 192):
Considering it's such bland coloring (white top, gray bottom, painted tail) they really don't have to do many touch ups. It's a low MX color scheme.

A: There's really no such thing as a "low maintenance" color scheme when you're talking about a vehicle that travels at nearly the speed of sound.

B: The white won't fade, obviously, but there still could be peeling titles, chipped or peeling paint, and DIRT (See Air France) CO has few or none of those issues, where airlines like UA and US have had frequent issues with them. I'm sure part of the issue has to do with how well dark colors of paint hold up to UV light or the quality of a painting job done by contractors, but at least part of it is simply not making maintaining the look of the fleet a priority.

Quoting aviateur (Reply 195):
truncated, feathery version of its familiar "U" emblem.

I would argue that that's the WORST element of UA's livery. The Tulip was not designed to be a negative space emblem. It doesn't work to force it into the role.

Quoting aviateur (Reply 195):
Continental's tail, on the other hand, bland and ultra-corporate, looks like a PowerPoint slide.

Maybe so, but is does say "we have global reach."

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Slider
Posted 2010-10-05 12:46:36 and read 9219 times.

Quoting amwest2united (Reply 191):
Please support your "matter of fact" statement that the poster is incorrect?

Because I happen to know. Can't really divulge too much herein. But HE made the assertion and didn't substantiate it. I'm calling BS.

Not to mention that his assertion is impossible. Couldn't be done even if that were the goal just based on total paint shop capacity and throughput among numerous facilities in North America. Not to mention the most obvious fact that if you examine the fleets, you couldn’t afford that much down time on the aircraft themselves.

UA’s existing fleet alone, since it has to go full nose to tail repaint (not all of CO’s fleet will of course), couldn’t be done that soon.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: ikramerica
Posted 2010-10-05 12:53:33 and read 9199 times.

Quoting aviateur (Reply 195):
The UA/CO "Continented" livery is a most grotesque hybrid

It's not a hybrid. It's the CO scheme with United slapped on in a new font (not the font used on the UA planes). Renaming something doesn't make it a hybrid.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: United1
Posted 2010-10-05 13:19:22 and read 9118 times.

Quoting Slider (Reply 197):
Quoting amwest2united (Reply 191):
Please support your "matter of fact" statement that the poster is incorrect?

Because I happen to know. Can't really divulge too much herein. But HE made the assertion and didn't substantiate it. I'm calling BS.

There really isn't anything to divulge they simply can't repaint nearly 700 aircraft by the spring...there just isn't that much capacity available both from a paint shop availability perspective and excess capacity in the system that they can use to maintain a cohesive schedule wiley they repaint the fleet.

Repainting PMCOs fleet by the spring is entirely doable by the spring simply because they are just painting over the name its a fairly quick job compared to stripping and respraying the entire aircraft.

They MAY be able to repaint some or all of the 744s by the spring because during the winter the utilization of that particular fleet is rather low (I think they only use 16 or so frames out of the 24.) You will probably see PMUA aircraft in premerger colors until sometime in early 2012...

[Edited 2010-10-05 13:20:29]

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Slider
Posted 2010-10-06 09:24:12 and read 8724 times.

Quoting United1 (Reply 199):
There really isn't anything to divulge they simply can't repaint nearly 700 aircraft by the spring...there just isn't that much capacity available both from a paint shop availability perspective and excess capacity in the system that they can use to maintain a cohesive schedule wiley they repaint the fleet.

Exactly...hence my response when challenged on it. Totally nonsensical to think otherwise.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2010-10-06 10:21:33 and read 8643 times.

Quoting Slider (Reply 200):
Quoting United1 (Reply 199):
There really isn't anything to divulge they simply can't repaint nearly 700 aircraft by the spring...there just isn't that much capacity available both from a paint shop availability perspective and excess capacity in the system that they can use to maintain a cohesive schedule wiley they repaint the fleet.

Exactly...hence my response when challenged on it. Totally nonsensical to think otherwise.

As I understood the poster, he was enquiring about placing "United" lettering on CO planes -- not dipping United planes in the Euro-white paint can.

Even the demented realize *that* can't be done in only 2 quarters -- even if MAACO gets involved.   

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: piaflyer
Posted 2010-10-06 22:42:38 and read 8319 times.

hey guys, so is there a list of aircraft that are being painted/ready in line for paint? Any website?

thanks,
piaflyer

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: UA933
Posted 2010-10-07 07:46:34 and read 8145 times.

This mockup of a 777 looks preety great in the "new" livery
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa3VZi3xn2Y

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Giancavia
Posted 2010-10-07 07:51:25 and read 8073 times.

Quoting UA933 (Reply 203):

All about opinions I guess. I Cant be doing with so much dull grey on an aeroplane.. doesnt look so pretty.

As was mentioned earlier .. Blue belly would change my opinion greatly.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: LouieP2186
Posted 2010-10-07 11:58:23 and read 7901 times.

Quoting Slider (Reply 184):
I don’t know where you hear this, but this is incorrect. Besides being logistically nigh impossible (DL has had the fastest full fleet repaint and it was something to behold and even then about, what, 90% of mainline fleet within 1 full calendar year?), it’s not going to happen that quickly. Perhaps by end of calendar 2011.

I disagree and I work for CO. XJT is moving fast and has 2-3 planes in SLW every week for paint and CO has 2 B737's and 1 B757 in AMA every week and the B777 is going to HKG for seats mods and they do most the painting their as well. Yet this is what we are hearing but I say summer by the latest.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: ukoverlander
Posted 2010-10-07 12:08:58 and read 7881 times.

Quoting UA933 (Reply 203):
This mockup of a 777 looks preety great in the "new" livery

It looks freakishly like a Continental 777 with United painted on the side.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: LouieP2186
Posted 2010-10-07 14:33:05 and read 7739 times.

Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 193):
The Continental aircraft will be the easiest and cheapest to change over. Is all the aircraft being "painted" or are the titles just being changed with a decal?

Continental plans on painting planes every 7 years. The newer ones will just get the Continental removed and the new "UNITED" added. Now we do have a few that are due in for paint so they are labeled as paint in the system otherwise they are labeled as "stencil" I believe.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: LouieP2186
Posted 2010-10-07 15:46:46 and read 7622 times.

XJT A/C for paint in SLW:

Ship #135 (4930 tomorrow to SLW)

Continental A/C in AMA for paint:

B737-800:

Ship #238 (ETR 10/11/10)
Ship #212 (ETR 10/9/10)

B757-200:

Ship #130 (ETR 10/10/10)

Next in to AMA for paint:

B737-800:

Ship #244 (In date is 10/12/10)
Ship #290 (In date is 10/10/10)

B757-200:

Ship #128 (In date is 10/11/10)

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: rikkus67
Posted 2010-10-07 22:21:22 and read 7360 times.

Quoting aviateur (Reply 195):
The best being United's current tail design -- a truncated, feathery version of its familiar "U" emblem.

... and I considser that the WORST bastardization of the tulip (which was a modernization of the United shield (IIRC) ). The "U" might be widely recognized in North America, but the negative space version doesn't really resemble anything, if you don't know where it was based from. A variation of the grey battleship tail, with a larger full colour tulip would have been better.


Regardless, the globe more accurately represents a WORLD-class airline....whether we agree on it or not.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Adam T.
Posted 2010-10-08 06:42:49 and read 7172 times.

Quoting rikkus67 (Reply 209):
Quoting aviateur (Reply 195):
The best being United's current tail design -- a truncated, feathery version of its familiar "U" emblem.

... and I considser that the WORST bastardization of the tulip (which was a modernization of the United shield (IIRC) ). The "U" might be widely recognized in North America, but the negative space version doesn't really resemble anything, if you don't know where it was based from. A variation of the grey battleship tail, with a larger full colour tulip would have been better.


Regardless, the globe more accurately represents a WORLD-class airline....whether we agree on it or not.

I definitely agree with everything you said - and honestly i'm in the minority on airliners.net that thinks that battleship grey design was much better than the shades of blue. If anything, the Tulip was much better represented on those aircraft.

After seeing the UNITED actually put on the planes of the CO livery I have to say that it actually is not as bad as I thought it would be - I still think it could be a little bigger but as it is, I think it will do good and am looking forward to seeing the changes made in terms of the branding.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Algoz66
Posted 2010-10-08 07:34:57 and read 7088 times.

Quoting rikkus67 (Reply 209):
Regardless, the globe more accurately represents a WORLD-class airline....whether we agree on it or not.

I agree - reminiscent of the Pan Am globe - the new combined airline deserves a fresh,completely new livery. That might happen in time - lots of planes to paint, but then they are your primary advertising medium, so it pays to invest wisely.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: GoldenJet707
Posted 2010-10-08 08:24:13 and read 7019 times.

This " United needs a brand new identity " is getting so old on this forum !!! The decision was made when the two companies agreed to merge . It's not up for discussion ! Get over it people. How about writing something constructive?! This livery has served CO very well over the last two decades and has earned the company great awards and respect. Why should this change now ? The idea was to call the company United, a tribute to the hard work UA employees have done. And as a tribute to the CO folks, who have worked just as hard, their livery was retained. I think it works for the combined 80 plus thousand employees. The flying public would not care one way or the other. It just seems the A.net crowd can never be pleased.

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: dutchflyboi
Posted 2010-10-08 08:45:30 and read 6964 times.

Quoting GoldenJet707 (Reply 212):
This " United needs a brand new identity " is getting so old on this forum !!! The decision was made when the two companies agreed to merge . It's not up for discussion !

Thank you!!! I am so over this as well. The new company pays respect to CO Employees by keeping the colors and pays respect to UA Employees by keeping the name...

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Adam T.
Posted 2010-10-08 08:55:15 and read 6945 times.

Quoting GoldenJet707 (Reply 212):
This " United needs a brand new identity " is getting so old on this forum !!! The decision was made when the two companies agreed to merge . It's not up for discussion ! Get over it people. How about writing something constructive?! This livery has served CO very well over the last two decades and has earned the company great awards and respect. Why should this change now ? The idea was to call the company United, a tribute to the hard work UA employees have done. And as a tribute to the CO folks, who have worked just as hard, their livery was retained. I think it works for the combined 80 plus thousand employees. The flying public would not care one way or the other. It just seems the A.net crowd can never be pleased.

Very well said GoldenJet - your analysis is spot on and I do certainly agree with you on the points - and honestly UA/CO seems to be following through so far on their merger of equals, a little give and take for both sides of the former airlines, ie United gets the name, CO gets the livery/brand. I think A.net gets too nostalgic at times, and even i'm guilty of that, but at the end of the day it is what it is and it's to move on.

I look forward to flying the new United!  

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: Algoz66
Posted 2010-10-08 09:06:54 and read 6898 times.

Quoting GoldenJet707 (Reply 212):
This " United needs a brand new identity " is getting so old on this forum !!! The decision was made when the two companies agreed to merge . It's not up for discussion ! Get over it people. How about writing something constructive?!

Apologies for upsetting you - not good for the blood pressure!  

Topic: RE: New UA/CO Livery To Debut Soon?
Username: ER757
Posted 2010-10-08 11:57:00 and read 6747 times.

Quoting GoldenJet707 (Reply 212):
This livery has served CO very well over the last two decades and has earned the company great awards and respect.

I think what went on inside the aircraft had more to do with awards and respect than the paint job on the outside did  
I agree with your post. In time, even us airplane geeks will get used to the UA name on a CO livery.


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