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Topic: Afriqiyah And Libyan Airlines 'To Merge'
Username: BMIFlyer
Posted 2010-09-29 02:34:51 and read 4406 times.

Approval is expected by 15th October.

The combined company aims to spend $5.4 billion on new aircraft before 2012

http://atwonline.com/airline-finance...s-government-approval-october-0924

Relevant carrier websites....

http://www.afriqiyah.aero/

http://www.libyanairlines.aero

[Edited 2010-09-29 02:36:40]

Topic: RE: Afriqiyah And Libyan Airlines 'To Merge'
Username: PlymSpotter
Posted 2010-09-29 02:37:29 and read 4402 times.

That makes a lot of sense. With a single airline they can hopefully utilise their strong geographic position to act as a major player on the Europe to Africa routes.

Topic: RE: Afriqiyah And Libyan Airlines 'To Merge'
Username: Pilot21
Posted 2010-09-29 02:37:33 and read 4402 times.

Quoting BMIFlyer (Thread starter):
Approval is expected by 15th October

I think the question why they haven't merged before now has been asked quite a few times on various threads here. Makes sense.

Pilot21

Topic: RE: Afriqiyah And Libyan Airlines 'To Merge'
Username: MEA-707
Posted 2010-09-29 03:14:22 and read 4282 times.

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 2):
I think the question why they haven't merged before now has been asked quite a few times on various threads here

Libyan is more the typical O/D carrier for travel to and from Libya
Afriqiyah wanted to use Tripoli as a hub and form a mini-Emirates with cheap flights between Europe and Africa. Smaller African countries like Mali, Ivory Coast, Cameroon were expensive to fly to, often monopolized by Air France or Brussels airlines. Many of their passengers weren't even aware they have to fly via Libya.

I think the A-330 crash have put a big dent on Afriqiyah's credibility and its name (intentionally without Libya in it) is weakened somewhat, so that's why they can better combine both products (O/D and connecting traffic) under the Libyan umbrella from now on, have economies of scale while the name 'Libyan' is not likely to scare away more people then 'Afriqiyah'

Topic: RE: Afriqiyah And Libyan Airlines 'To Merge'
Username: offloaded
Posted 2010-09-29 04:21:28 and read 4174 times.

This is actually a duplicate thread, but anyway...

It is interesting to see what will be the outcome of this. I like the line about "waiting for government approval". It implies that there is some sort of process going on. Approval for such matters normally comes from only one place.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 3):

Your reasoning is good, but nothing is happening here for economic reasons. TIP isn't DXB and they actually don't have much interest in opening TIP as a tourist stopover point. People may go via TIP if it is cheap enough, but are simply nervous of going via Libya. Shame really, as if you fly 8U you can currently get a 3 day transit visa on arrival, so plenty of time to have a look around Tripoli, Leptis Magna, Sabratha etc...

Topic: RE: Afriqiyah And Libyan Airlines 'To Merge'
Username: Vmcavmcg
Posted 2010-09-29 05:50:44 and read 3998 times.

Rumor is the combined carrier will retain the Afriqiyah name with the Libyan aircraft focusing on the domestic and close in market. The Afriqiyah side will continue to focus on the more international traffic.

The aircraft currently going to Libyan will be used to expand internationally. China is supposedly set to begin in Nov from AHU on a twice weekly basis. Daily service to AUH will begin then also with the 330 2 days/week and the 320 5 days/week.

Also a code share has been signed with EY.

Other rumored destinations are Moscow, Nairobi and perhaps LHR and twice weekly Nouakchott started last week.

Topic: RE: Afriqiyah And Libyan Airlines 'To Merge'
Username: AsoRock
Posted 2010-09-29 06:09:52 and read 3948 times.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 1):
I think the question why they haven't merged before now has been asked quite a few times on various threads here. Makes sense.

I believe this may very well have to do with Gaddhafi's diminishing interest in his Pan-Africa project. Since he was not allowed to continue as President of the African Union, he no longer sees himself as the 'King of African Kings' as he so unashamedly once called himself.

Anyways politics aside, this is surely better to combine the 2 airlines and streamline their operations. Libyan would have to continue to focus on transit passengers though, hopefully with an improved airport infrastructure in Tripoli.

Cheers

Topic: RE: Afriqiyah And Libyan Airlines 'To Merge'
Username: PM
Posted 2010-09-29 06:16:22 and read 3921 times.

Afriqiyah selected GE for their A330s and they have been delivered. I'm informed that Libyan selected RR for their A330s - though no official announcement has been made and none has so far been built.

Standardising on one engine type would make sense.

So I expect the remaining Afriqiyah A330s to be converted to RR...

(Yeah, right!  )

Topic: RE: Afriqiyah And Libyan Airlines 'To Merge'
Username: Aesma
Posted 2010-10-01 09:25:55 and read 3516 times.

Obviously for anybody on this site it's difficult to realize, but I doubt much people remember the crash, even if it's a recent one. It was just not news for long, and nobody knew the name of the company anyway, so it makes sense to keep it. Of course, if you google it it's another story (the difficulty to write it right might help).

Topic: RE: Afriqiyah And Libyan Airlines 'To Merge'
Username: MEA-707
Posted 2010-10-01 09:49:54 and read 3489 times.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 8):
, but I doubt much people remember the crash

in Holland it remains a big story as 70 dutch people died, but indeed I didn't realize enough that elsewhere it's not an intriguing 'major' crash , with an airline everyone knows and a mysterious cause, like AF447.

Topic: RE: Afriqiyah And Libyan Airlines 'To Merge'
Username: TS-IOR
Posted 2010-10-01 13:30:30 and read 3345 times.

Libyan started receiving new A320s and preparing to return back the Nouvelair aircrafts. I guess the Afriqiyah brand will disappear.

Topic: RE: Afriqiyah And Libyan Airlines 'To Merge'
Username: offloaded
Posted 2010-10-01 14:55:14 and read 3288 times.

I think a lot of people would like to know why the plane crashed, including Airbus. I actually thought it was the LN brand disappearing, which from my purely personal point of view would be sad, not because it was a great airline, just one associated to some great childhood memories for me. Some of the  Wow! stories about aviation there though are "interesting" to say the least.

Topic: RE: Afriqiyah And Libyan Airlines 'To Merge'
Username: CRJ900
Posted 2010-10-09 13:18:13 and read 2958 times.

From Bombardier's homepage, dated October 7: Libyan orders three more CRJ900NG with options for three more. They already operate three CRJ900 and two CRJ900NG.

Nice to see that the CRJ900 does well at this airline. Cool that they do the four-hour flights to the UK, but that might change when these two airlines become one...?

Topic: RE: Afriqiyah And Libyan Airlines 'To Merge'
Username: abrelosojos
Posted 2010-10-09 14:33:04 and read 2869 times.

Quoting offloaded (Reply 4):
Shame really, as if you fly 8U you can currently get a 3 day transit visa on arrival, so plenty of time to have a look around Tripoli, Leptis Magna, Sabratha etc...

= Is this really true? I have been wanting to go to Libya for a while and cannot find information anywhere on 8U about the same. Libya is not one of those places I'd like to venture and argue my way into a transit visa. For whatever reason, I am OK with doing this in sub-Saharan Africa, but not in Libya.

Saludos,
A.


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