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Topic: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: SCL767
Posted 2010-10-11 02:09:07 and read 6965 times.

On January 1, 2011, LAN Airlines will launch a daily non-stop service between Santiago de Chile and Rio de Janeiro. LAN Airlines will continue to operate the daily SCL-GRU-GIG-GRU-SCL B763 service.

SCL-GIG-SCL:

*LA772 SCL 12:55 GIG 18:05 (A320) DAILY
*LA773 GIG 18:55 SCL 22:35 (A320) DAILY

SCL-GRU-GIG-GRU-SCL:

LA750 SCL 07:15 GIG 13:50 (B763) DAILY
LA751 GIG 15:35 SCL 20:55 (B763) DAILY

LAN will also operate SCL-GRU-SCL 2x daily and SCL-GRU-GIG-SCL (LA757) daily.

*Operates as non-stop flights.

LAN is also promoting Chilean tourism in Brazil in time for the high season.
Santiago é com a LAN e Vips Travel:
http://www.lan.com/pt_br/sitio_perso...brasil/20101004_vips_santiago.html

[Edited 2010-10-11 02:21:52]

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: Rafabozzolla
Posted 2010-10-11 04:55:40 and read 6928 times.

It was about time!

I still think that one daily non-stop is not enough.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: AF086
Posted 2010-10-11 04:59:27 and read 6897 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Thread starter):
SCL-GIG-SCL:

*LA772 SCL 12:55 GIG 18:05 (A320) DAILY
*LA773 GIG 18:55 SCL 22:35 (A320) DAILY

By the flight number this flight is seasonal...again. I hope I'm wrong this time though.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: AF086
Posted 2010-10-11 05:01:37 and read 6885 times.

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 1):
I still think that one daily non-stop is not enough.

Agreed. Too little too late if you ask me.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: RodRB
Posted 2010-10-11 06:38:07 and read 6760 times.

The eastbound flight is excellent for TAM's european international bank (CDG, LHR and FRA), but we still need a morning GIG-SCL to take this traffic back to SCL.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: CRJ900
Posted 2010-10-11 06:43:23 and read 6750 times.

I thought Rio - Santiago would have been started decades ago, considering they are such large and famous cities... is there really limited demand for such a service?

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: AF086
Posted 2010-10-11 07:20:32 and read 6691 times.

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 5):
I thought Rio - Santiago would have been started decades ago, considering they are such large and famous cities... is there really limited demand for such a service?

The flight does exist for decades but it's a one-stop service via GRU. There is actually plenty of demand on the route but LA and JJ just ignore that forcing that lame one-stop service. Since there's no non-stop competition GIG-bound pax have no better option.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: incitatus
Posted 2010-10-11 07:56:57 and read 6645 times.

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 5):
I thought Rio - Santiago would have been started decades ago,

Decades ago it did exist!

In the early 80s before there was massive migration of long-haul flights to Sao Paulo, some European carriers like AF and SK used to do Rio-Santiago nonstop, while others did a mix of stops in VCP and EZE.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: C010T3
Posted 2010-10-11 08:38:22 and read 6570 times.

Quoting AF086 (Reply 2):
By the flight number this flight is seasonal...again. I hope I'm wrong this time though.

The flight number doesn't tell us anything. It's just the same number that was used for seasonal service in the past. About your fear that this service will again be just seasonal like the three or four previous years, it's justified, since LAN never considered the seasonal service permanent, hence the fact the flight is always loaded in the GDS in October or November for a January start. It's a pattern hard to ignore. Like always the other one-stop services are kept, which is not understandable, since it takes away passengers from the nonstop flight, so there is no guarantee that the flight will stay, since LAN seems to prefer serving GIG multiple times per day through GRU.
The flight is loaded on the GDS until the end of the calender, so there's hope that it will stay. Perhaps the only reason why it will stay is because LAN is already prepared to slots at GRU for the IATA Summer 2011 season.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: Longhornmaniac
Posted 2010-10-11 11:05:06 and read 6391 times.

When will these flight be loaded??

Thanks!

Cheers,
Cameron

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: C010T3
Posted 2010-10-11 12:00:03 and read 6338 times.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 9):
When will these flight be loaded??

It already is.

[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.7/Diamond - Amadeus: Timetable/NL-BCDF]

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Frequency | Dur'n | Dep T | Arr T | Effect
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------
LA 772 SCL 12:55 GIG 18:05 320 0 1234567 04:10 I 1 01 Jan
LA 773 GIG 18:55 SCL 22:35 320 0 1234567 04:40 1 I 01 Jan

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: Longhornmaniac
Posted 2010-10-11 12:47:10 and read 6300 times.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 10):
It already is.

Any idea why the award inventory isn't showing up?

Cheers,
Cameron

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: C010T3
Posted 2010-10-11 13:13:35 and read 6252 times.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 11):
Any idea why the award inventory isn't showing up?

Maybe because it's new.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2010-10-11 13:32:42 and read 6198 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Thread starter):
On January 1, 2011, LAN Airlines will launch a daily non-stop service between Santiago de Chile and Rio de Janeiro.

Thanks for sharing but i would love to hear that this is a year-round operation.

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 1):
I still think that one daily non-stop is not enough.

It isn't but they need a morning departure. Something like to depart Santiago at 1 AM or 1:30 AM and from Rio around 8 / 8:30 AM to allow Northeast and International connections.

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 5):
I thought Rio - Santiago would have been started decades ago, considering they are such large and famous cities... is there really limited demand for such a service?

It's not a matter of limited demand but airlines on this route do a limited service: both TAM and LAN run Sao Paulo-Santiago only. There's demand for GIG-SCL and POA-SCL year-round service in my view and based on G3 and LA numbers available at JAC (Chile Civil Aviation Dept). G3 runs a EZE-SCL service which allows us to know from where each passenger goes. About LAN, the LA750/751 service keep 50% of the passengers goes to Rio even with one-stop, and in January/February this number goes closer to 60% to Rio and few connections, 40% to Sao Paulo and mostly connections.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: SCL767
Posted 2010-10-13 08:06:35 and read 5855 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 13):
Quoting SCL767 (Thread starter):
On January 1, 2011, LAN Airlines will launch a daily non-stop service between Santiago de Chile and Rio de Janeiro.

Thanks for sharing but i would love to hear that this is a year-round operation.

Yes, this is a new year-round service operated by LAN. LAN Chile will operate into GIG 3x daily, (SCL-GRU-GIG 2x daily and SCL-GIG daily).

LA 772 SCL 12:55 GIG 18:05 320 0 1234567 04:10 DAILY
LA 773 GIG 18:55 SCL 22:35 320 0 1234567 04:40 DAILY

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2010-10-13 17:44:22 and read 5655 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 14):
Yes, this is a new year-round service operated by LAN

Hope you're right but they use to say that every year... and just remove the flight without any notice. LA schedule to Brazil is changing all times.
SCL-GIG will become year round if and when LA establish long haul thru Rio.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: SCL767
Posted 2010-10-13 18:18:25 and read 5626 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 15):
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 14):
Yes, this is a new year-round service operated by LAN

Hope you're right but they use to say that every year... and just remove the flight without any notice. LA schedule to Brazil is changing all times.
SCL-GIG will become year round if and when LA establish long haul thru Rio.

LAN will operate SCL-GRU 3x daily, SCL-GRU-GIG daily, and SCL-GIG-SCL daily. LA772/LA773 is already bookable well into next year.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2010-10-13 19:31:50 and read 5576 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 16):
LAN will operate SCL-GRU 3x daily, SCL-GRU-GIG daily, and SCL-GIG-SCL daily. LA772/LA773 is already bookable well into next year.

This can be changed easily as it was changed in 2009 and this year. I will only believe when LA run SCL-GIG one year without suspension.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: Avianca
Posted 2010-10-13 19:52:25 and read 5570 times.

IMHO they should start right away with a 767-300! specially due to cargo capacity, they would fill up the flights without much truble!

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: SCL767
Posted 2010-10-13 20:33:34 and read 5532 times.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 18):
IMHO they should start right away with a 767-300! specially due to cargo capacity, they would fill up the flights without much truble!

LA already operates the B763 into GIG daily. LA750/LA751 operate SCL-GRU-GIG daily with the B763.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2010-10-13 22:12:04 and read 5477 times.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 18):
IMHO they should start right away with a 767-300! specially due to cargo capacity, they would fill up the flights without much truble!

Very true, but as i mentioned before, LA sees Rio and Sao Paulo together and is protected as TAM also see the same way. As i keep saying, they could run a SCL-GIG-Europe service with B763 easily, late afternoon SCL-GIG and early morning GIG-SCL

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: SCL767
Posted 2010-10-13 22:59:29 and read 5442 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 20):
As i keep saying, they could run a SCL-GIG-Europe service with B763 easily, late afternoon SCL-GIG and early morning GIG-SCL

Where in Europe would LA fly to via GIG?

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: SJOtoLIR
Posted 2010-10-14 10:08:01 and read 5304 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 15):
SCL-GIG will become year round if and when LA establish long haul thru Rio.

Any stop on the possible LA SCL-GIG-XXX will undermine the attractive for those passengers out of Santiago and heading to Europe as final destination.

Regards.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: Avianca
Posted 2010-10-14 10:15:41 and read 5312 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 21):
Where in Europe would LA fly to via GIG?

would say MAD

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: SCL767
Posted 2010-10-14 10:21:28 and read 5303 times.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 22):
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 15):
SCL-GIG will become year round if and when LA establish long haul thru Rio.

Any stop on the possible LA SCL-GIG-XXX will undermine the attractive for those passengers out of Santiago and heading to Europe as final destination.

Really? That certainly is not the case with SCL-MAD-FRA and SCL-MAD-CDG.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: SJOtoLIR
Posted 2010-10-14 10:33:15 and read 5327 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 24):
Really? That certainly is not the case with SCL-MAD-FRA and SCL-MAD-CDG.

AF CDG-SCL 7x weekly would have advantage over LA SCL-MAD-CDG 3x weekly.
However, I understood the point consisting in that the layover at GIG doesn't necesarily undermine the attractive of the possible LA SCL-GIG-Europe.

Regards.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: SCL767
Posted 2010-10-14 10:46:17 and read 5304 times.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 25):
AF CDG-SCL 7x weekly would have advantage over LA SCL-MAD-CDG 3x weekly.

The good news is that AF no longer has the monopoly on the route. After IB, AF is the only other EU carrier operating into SCL.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 25):
However, I understood the point consisting in that the layover at GIG doesn't necesarily undermine the attractive of the possible LA SCL-GIG-Europe.

LA will also fly SCL-GRU/GIG-Africa as well. Cargo also plays a role on certain routes. But I do expect LAN to launch new non-stop services to Europe from EZE, GIG, GYE, LIM, SCL, etc.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2010-10-14 10:47:08 and read 5330 times.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 22):
Any stop on the possible LA SCL-GIG-XXX will undermine the attractive for those passengers out of Santiago and heading to Europe as final destination.

And will create demand for GIG-XXX service, specially if it's to MAD with redeye, MXP, LHR to complement JJ service, or any other destination.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 23):
would say MAD

Yes, i agree, MAD-GIG overnight will provide a new alternative over IB current daylight.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 24):
Really? That certainly is not the case with SCL-MAD-FRA and SCL-MAD-CDG.

SCL-GIG-MAD would allow, if LA continues with the original plan, relief for SCL / LIM / EZE to go to MAD with a one stop service. Will not attract the entire plane, but for sure between 60-140 customers a day, while Rio and local Brazilian connections could provide other 60-160 passengers a day. You will have SCL-GIG customers on the plane.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: SCL767
Posted 2010-10-14 10:51:25 and read 5324 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 27):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 24):
Really? That certainly is not the case with SCL-MAD-FRA and SCL-MAD-CDG.

SCL-GIG-MAD would allow, if LA continues with the original plan, relief for SCL / LIM / EZE to go to MAD with a one stop service. Will not attract the entire plane, but for sure between 60-140 customers a day, while Rio and local Brazilian connections could provide other 60-160 passengers a day. You will have SCL-GIG customers on the plane.

MAD has to be non-stop from UIO/GYE, LIM, SCL, etc. LAN Ecuador and LAN Peru still want to increase frequency into MAD.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2010-10-14 15:00:10 and read 5235 times.

LAN SCL-GIG-DXB would be a great route.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2010-10-14 17:32:21 and read 5162 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 28):
MAD has to be non-stop from UIO/GYE, LIM, SCL, etc. LAN Ecuador and LAN Peru still want to increase frequency into MAD

No doubt but i would focus more on GIG-MAD and Brazil-MAD traffic than consider some of these markets to connect in Rio going to MAD. A potential SCL-GIG-MAD would be just an option, not the best, but an option.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 29):
LAN SCL-GIG-DXB would be a great route

Who knows EK goes for it...

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: SCL767
Posted 2010-10-14 17:42:37 and read 5149 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 30):
No doubt but i would focus more on GIG-MAD and Brazil-MAD traffic than consider some of these markets to connect in Rio going to MAD. A potential SCL-GIG-MAD would be just an option, not the best, but an option.

IB will continue to increase frequencies over-time into Brazil. LAN should focus on other cities IMO. LA should fly SCL-GIG-BCN, SCL-GIG-FRA, SCL-GIG-CPT/JNB etc.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2010-10-14 21:50:02 and read 5054 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 31):
IB will continue to increase frequencies over-time into Brazil. LAN should focus on other cities IMO. LA should fly SCL-GIG-BCN, SCL-GIG-FRA, SCL-GIG-CPT/JNB etc.

I bet MAD will be among them, SCL767

Just using AENA numbers (which i believe are official ones), GIG-MAD got an average of 272 passengers each way, daily, in September. Considering a mix of A343/A346, with no doubt a very impressive number. As a comparison, Sao Paulo with smaller planes (A332 CA and JJ) got 214.
I believe there's room for more GIG-MAD.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: SCL767
Posted 2010-10-14 22:18:39 and read 5041 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 32):
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 31):
IB will continue to increase frequencies over-time into Brazil. LAN should focus on other cities IMO. LA should fly SCL-GIG-BCN, SCL-GIG-FRA, SCL-GIG-CPT/JNB etc.

I bet MAD will be among them, SCL767

Just using AENA numbers (which i believe are official ones), GIG-MAD got an average of 272 passengers each way, daily, in September. Considering a mix of A343/A346, with no doubt a very impressive number. As a comparison, Sao Paulo with smaller planes (A332 CA and JJ) got 214.
I believe there's room for more GIG-MAD.

IB will split the daily BCN-MAD-GIG service next year operating both BCN-GIG and MAD-GIG daily. LAN needs to add other cities besides MAD via GIG. LAN would certainly do well with a daily SCL-GRU-FRA service or maybe a EZE-GIG-FCO service IMO.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2010-10-15 14:55:59 and read 4918 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 33):
IB will split the daily BCN-MAD-GIG service next year operating both BCN-GIG and MAD-GIG daily. LAN needs to add other cities besides MAD via GIG. LAN would certainly do well with a daily SCL-GRU-FRA service or maybe a EZE-GIG-FCO service IMO

Do they have planes for that ? I mean, they are looking to begin BCN-MIA, MAD-LAX, BCN-GRU and BCN-GIG ? I rather see IB going 2x daily MAD-GIG as Rio and Barcelona are similar cities and do not attract so much as for example Sao Paulo which is a huge leisure originator.

SCL-GRU-FRA ? There's no need for that. GRU-FRA is well covered by JJ and LH and FRA is a difficult market to a OW carrier to establish it self.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: SCL767
Posted 2010-10-15 15:45:24 and read 4880 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 34):
Do they have planes for that ? I mean, they are looking to begin BCN-MIA, MAD-LAX, BCN-GRU and BCN-GIG ? I rather see IB going 2x daily MAD-GIG as Rio and Barcelona are similar cities and do not attract so much as for example Sao Paulo which is a huge leisure originator.

IMO, it is appropriate for IB to eventually split the BCN-MAD-GIG service.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 34):
SCL-GRU-FRA ? There's no need for that. GRU-FRA is well covered by JJ and LH and FRA is a difficult market to a OW carrier to establish it self.

LAN is already established at FRA and does not need to rely on connections at FRA. LAN could easily operate SCL-GRU-FRA profitably.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: Boeing747_600
Posted 2010-10-15 23:42:06 and read 4749 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Thread starter):
On January 1, 2011, LAN Airlines will launch a daily non-stop service between Santiago de Chile and Rio de Janeiro

My first reaction is "Hasn't this been an established daily route since the 1960s?!"

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: AF086
Posted 2010-10-16 08:10:28 and read 4674 times.

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 36):
My first reaction is "Hasn't this been an established daily route since the 1960s?!"

Everybody thinks this flight existed since forever but, LA (and JJ as well) neglects this market for many many years. I really look forward this service sticks all year long (at last).

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: SCL767
Posted 2010-10-16 08:43:47 and read 4643 times.

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 36):
Quoting SCL767 (Thread starter):
On January 1, 2011, LAN Airlines will launch a daily non-stop service between Santiago de Chile and Rio de Janeiro

My first reaction is "Hasn't this been an established daily route since the 1960s?!"

LAN currently serves GIG twice daily via GRU. In the past, LAN Chile operated SCL-GIG-MAD with the B767-200ER. This new service will eliminate the stopover at GRU and will operate non-stop on a year-round basis. Also, this service will enable rapid connections between GIG and AKL/SYD via SCL.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: AF086
Posted 2010-10-16 08:54:34 and read 4622 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 38):
This new service will eliminate the stopover at GRU and will operate non-stop on a year-round basis.

How come? The current services via GRU are kept for the time being.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: SCL767
Posted 2010-10-16 09:15:13 and read 4582 times.

Quoting AF086 (Reply 39):
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 38):
This new service will eliminate the stopover at GRU and will operate non-stop on a year-round basis.

How come? The current services via GRU are kept for the time being.

LAN will launch LA772/LA773 on 01/01/11.

LA750 SCL-GRU-GIG
LA752 SCL-GRU
LA754 SCL-GRU
LA758 SCL-GRU
LA772 SCL-GIG

Seasonal flights will operate between SCL and FLN in January:

LA776 SCL-FLN weekly
LA778 SCL-FLN weekly

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: AF086
Posted 2010-10-16 09:54:36 and read 4533 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 40):
LAN will launch LA772/LA773 on 01/01/11.

LA750 SCL-GRU-GIG
LA752 SCL-GRU
LA754 SCL-GRU
LA758 SCL-GRU
LA772 SCL-GIG

I understood that you meant that LA would eliminate the GIG-GRU tag-on altogether, that's why I asked it.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: SCL767
Posted 2010-10-16 10:08:39 and read 4526 times.

Quoting AF086 (Reply 41):
I understood that you meant that LA would eliminate the GIG-GRU tag-on altogether, that's why I asked it.

No, LAN will continue to operate a daily service between SCL and GIG via GRU. LA750/LA751 operates daily with the B763. LAN will also introduce a new non-stop route to Brazil soon.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: SCL767
Posted 2010-10-16 13:36:26 and read 4439 times.

LAN Perú S.A. will soon launch a new service into Brazil in order to complement LAN's South American Tourist Circuit.

On January 16, 2011, LAN Perú will launch 4 weekly non-stop flights between Lima, Perú and Foz do Iguaçu, Brasil.

LP2443 12:45 LIM 18:35 IGU A319 (Su, Tu, We, Fr)
LP2442 19:35 IGU 21:40 LIM A319 (Su, Tu, We, Fr)

LAN Chile will operate seasonal non-stop flights between Santiago de Chile and Florianópolis from January 9th through February 13th, 2011.

LA776 07:00 SCL 11:15 FLN A319 (Su)
LA777 12:05 FLN 14:35 SCL A319 (Su)
LA778 15:40 SCL 19:55 FLN A319 (Su)
LA779 20:45 FLN 23:15 SCL A319 (Su)

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: AF086
Posted 2010-10-16 15:51:55 and read 4354 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 43):
On January 16, 2011, LAN Perú will launch 4 weekly non-stop flights between Lima, Perú and Foz do Iguaçu, Brasil.

LP2443 12:45 LIM 18:35 IGU A319 (Su, Tu, We, Fr)
LP2442 19:35 IGU 21:40 LIM A319 (Su, Tu, We, Fr)

Well played by LP.

I still wonder: where are LP and 4M at GIG? And the question remains: why is LAN's presence at GIG so weak?

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: C010T3
Posted 2010-10-16 16:11:31 and read 4326 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 43):
LAN Perú S.A. will soon launch a new service into Brazil in order to complement LAN's South American Tourist Circuit.

On January 16, 2011, LAN Perú will launch 4 weekly non-stop flights between Lima, Perú and Foz do Iguaçu, Brasil.

LP2443 12:45 LIM 18:35 IGU A319 (Su, Tu, We, Fr)
LP2442 19:35 IGU 21:40 LIM A319 (Su, Tu, We, Fr)

LA2443 319 -23-5-7 LIM 1245 IGU 1835
LA2442 319 -23-5-7 IGU 1935 LIM 2140

LA2441 319 -23-5-7 LIM 1245 IGR 1835
LA2440 319 -23-5-7 IGR 1935 LIM 2140

There is something extremely wrong going on. LAN announced flights to IGR, not IGU, now there are flights loaded to both airports with identical schedules, though they couldn't possibly be, since IGR and IGU are in different time zones effective 3 hours and 49 minutes from now.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2010-10-16 16:35:04 and read 4306 times.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 45):
There is something extremely wrong going on. LAN announced flights to IGR, not IGU, now there are flights loaded to both airports with identical schedules, though they couldn't possibly be, since IGR and IGU are in different time zones effective 3 hours and 49 minutes from now.

Seems that one of the routes replaces the other. Lets wait and see.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 35):
LAN is already established at FRA

With one stop service ? I wouldn't call it's established. Can't compare FRA non stop to Sao Paulo or Santiago to a service like FRA-MAD-SCL. LH reaction would be severe... Varig/Gol tried that and the result was terrible, even with a hub in Sao Paulo ! TAM tried that before being a *A and the result was horrible.
Why LAN would do better ? They have better planes... but to compete with LH at FRA is a different story.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: SCL767
Posted 2010-10-16 17:01:07 and read 4286 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 46):
uoting C010T3 (Reply 45):
There is something extremely wrong going on. LAN announced flights to IGR, not IGU, now there are flights loaded to both airports with identical schedules, though they couldn't possibly be, since IGR and IGU are in different time zones effective 3 hours and 49 minutes from now.

Seems that one of the routes replaces the other. Lets wait and see.

Let's wait and see; ASU should also be loaded as well, but it is not at the moment.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 46):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 35):
LAN is already established at FRA

With one stop service ? I wouldn't call it's established. Can't compare FRA non stop to Sao Paulo or Santiago to a service like FRA-MAD-SCL. LH reaction would be severe... Varig/Gol tried that and the result was terrible, even with a hub in Sao Paulo ! TAM tried that before being a *A and the result was horrible.
Why LAN would do better ? They have better planes... but to compete with LH at FRA is a different story.

Why can't LA/JJ operate that route together profitably? Also, ABSA operates into FRA. It seems that Star carriers are making a killing in Brazil, at JJ's expense. Look at YYZ-GRU, JNB-GRU, ZRH-GRU, LIS-GRU, etc. Why doesn't JJ operate into JNB or LIS? Look at GIG, JJ only operates 26 weekly long-haul flights at GIG. LAN Ecuador operates more than 26 weekly flights to the U.S. and MAD alone!

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: C010T3
Posted 2010-10-16 17:33:34 and read 4234 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 47):
It seems that Star carriers are making a killing in Brazil, at JJ's expense.

That's funny. You seem to ignore the size of Star...

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: VC10er
Posted 2010-10-16 22:40:59 and read 4149 times.

I know i have seen TAM 777's in Santago. i am certain a.net has a number of shots in the photo bank. Why would TAM ever have used one there?

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: C010T3
Posted 2010-10-17 00:04:55 and read 4121 times.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 49):
I know i have seen TAM 777's in Santago. i am certain a.net has a number of shots in the photo bank. Why would TAM ever have used one there?

I don't understand your concern. TAM operates 4 77W. Two always spend the day in South America, one stays at GRU and the other one flies to SCL.

The same will be seen at GIG next month, when TAM starts uing a 332 to operate the mid-morning GIG-EZE. Currently, two 332s sit on the apron at GIG during the day, so now one of them won't be idle for so long anymore.

Topic: RE: LAN Chile To Fly SCL-GIG-SCL Non-Stop
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2010-10-17 14:51:09 and read 3996 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 47):
Why can't LA/JJ operate that route together profitably?

TAM announced yesterday plans to make GIG-FRA daily. Just because of this. Further GIG service means more room for Sao Paulo. No need for more services as even LH is not able so far to run MUC daily.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 47):
It seems that Star carriers are making a killing in Brazil, at JJ's expense. Look at YYZ-GRU, JNB-GRU, ZRH-GRU, LIS-GRU, etc. Why doesn't JJ operate into JNB or LIS? Look at GIG, JJ only operates 26 weekly long-haul flights at GIG. LAN Ecuador operates more than 26 weekly flights to the U.S. and MAD alone

JJ provides very good connectivity to them in Sao Paulo as their main hub.

About GIG, yes, the service to/from Rio de Janeiro provided by TAM is very limited, but because TAM historically is an airline that do not look so strong for more long haul services. Lets say next year they increase FRA to daily as expected, plus create 2 additional weekly services to LHR and 3 to JFK, it's still too few for Rio just 33 weekly flights.
In my view they can run CDG / JFK / MIA / MCO / FRA / LHR / MXP / MAD daily from Rio de Janeiro using A332 (except for MIA and FRA which demand larger planes) and could even go to a few more markets.
At this point, they could cover BCN, MEX, ATH, VIE, LAS (out of Sao Paulo) and OSL, MAN, YYZ and MEX (out of Rio de Janeiro). Look to the fact that i included large touristic cities and/or large business centers, and/or large business ties.
May be LA helps on this.


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