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Topic: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: bonave
Posted 2010-10-15 04:51:11 and read 8660 times.

There is a huge market from UK to AUS & NZ, BA have 2 Daily flights to SYD, no flights to the other cities in Oz and nothing to NZ. I know that the other cities are QF code share.
BUT with EK and SQ (and others) have a huge number of seats on these routes.
Why doesn't BA try harder in this market rather that the business to go elsewhere?

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: jfk777
Posted 2010-10-15 04:55:49 and read 8650 times.

Australia and NZ are just too far from Europe to fly profitably for European airlines which is why only UK airlines fly to Aussie these days.

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: tayser
Posted 2010-10-15 05:00:39 and read 8616 times.

LHR-SIN-MEL on BA was dropped in favour of utilising the same aircraft on LHR-India cycles (QF started MEL-HKG-LHR to replace the lost capacity from BA). For every daily LHR-MEL (via any designated asian port) you can fly double daily LHR-India flights with the same amount of aircraft.

MEL is probably the only other AUS/NZ city BA would ever start up again - I wouldn't bank on it though. Keep in mind SYD has been "downgraded" to 777s on BA.

If BA ever tried MEL again, a huge untapped (non-stop) market they could try is extending a BOM or DEL flight to MEL (naturally with QF codes like all QF/BA flights to/from Australia) - SQ/TG/MH/EK all get the MEL-India traffic via 1 stop and I'm fairly sure UK and Australian airlines have 5th freedoms beyond India.



[Edited 2010-10-15 05:09:30]

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: anstar
Posted 2010-10-15 05:06:28 and read 8583 times.

Quoting bonave (Thread starter):
There is a huge market from UK to AUS & NZ, BA have 2 Daily flights to SYD, no flights to the other cities in Oz and nothing to NZ. I know that the other cities are QF code share.

Dont forget the have a JSA with Qantas on he route so effectively BA do fly to PER/SYD/ADL/BNE/MEL etc from LHR via HKG/BKK and SIN.

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: DJMEL
Posted 2010-10-15 05:12:09 and read 8552 times.

This is exactly the reason why BA/QF have had Joint Services Agreement for about 10 years as it was more profitable and better aircraft utilization for BA to codeshare on services beyond Sydney and create a virtual Australian and New Zealand network and v.v like QF do in Europe, just exactly like VA/DJ/EY want to do beyond there gateway cities SYD/BNE/MEL and AUH.

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: zkojh
Posted 2010-10-15 07:37:19 and read 8280 times.

It would be nice to see BA start a LHR-SIN-AKL market. they could make something of it, give SQ and soon jetstar a run for the game. They would be the only 'oneworld' airline to do it. apart from there flights to Syd, they just have a codeshare with QF on the other OZ routes and accross the tasman to New Zealand,

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: LHRFlyer
Posted 2010-10-15 07:56:36 and read 8191 times.

There may be a lot of traffic, but it is low yield and the Europe- Australia routes are difficult to operate if your hub is at one end of the route, rather than in the middle, as per EK and SQ.

LHR-SYD is a very poorly performing route in terms of yield and aircraft utilisation.

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: smi0006
Posted 2010-10-15 08:02:21 and read 8168 times.

Quoting tayser (Reply 2):
MEL is probably the only other AUS/NZ city BA would ever start up again - I wouldn't bank on it though. Keep in mind SYD has been "downgraded" to 777s on BA.

If BA ever tried MEL again, a huge untapped (non-stop) market they could try is extending a BOM or DEL flight to MEL (naturally with QF codes like all QF/BA flights to/from Australia) - SQ/TG/MH/EK all get the MEL-India traffic via 1 stop and I'm fairly sure UK and Australian airlines have 5th freedoms beyond India.

I would dearly love to see BA in MEL again, either via BOM/DEL (perhaps a very very remote chance as it looks like AI won't be starting this route anytime soon) or MEL-BKK then ontil LHR or MAN. But alas the chances are zero, I would be the first to send in my application to BA! Even better would be doing this an opening an Aus crew base, a per the mixed fleet but I am dreaming again! haha

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: anstar
Posted 2010-10-15 08:09:25 and read 8150 times.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 7):
Even better would be doing this an opening an Aus crew base, a per the mixed fleet but I am dreaming again! haha

Problem is no one would work for it in Australia. The TOTAL package (including flight pay and bonus) is aroun 17K pounds.... or about $27k AUD total. Not great pay and not even remotely competitive to JQ etc

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: smi0006
Posted 2010-10-15 09:10:19 and read 7988 times.

Quoting anstar (Reply 8):
Problem is no one would work for it in Australia. The TOTAL package (including flight pay and bonus) is aroun 17K pounds.... or about $27k AUD total. Not great pay and not even remotely competitive to JQ etc

Okay I take back what I said. I am a full time uni student and even assuming the $27K is not including allowances, there is no way I would dream of leaving my current part time job for that!! I am suprised so many people would be desperate to be cabin crew to work for that amount! Are they all full-time? I wonder how flexible it is?

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: mutu
Posted 2010-10-15 12:05:55 and read 7740 times.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 9):
Okay I take back what I said. I am a full time uni student and even assuming the $27K is not including allowances, there is no way I would dream of leaving my current part time job for that!! I am suprised so many people would be desperate to be cabin crew to work for that amount! Are they all full-time? I wonder how flexible it is?

I shouldnt worry too much. Thats not a correct figure!

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: anstar
Posted 2010-10-15 12:09:36 and read 7731 times.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 9):
assuming the $27K is not including allowances,

Actually the 27k DOES include allowances.

Quoting mutu (Reply 10):
I shouldnt worry too much. Thats not a correct figure!

Really? Where do you get your BA salary figures?

Actually GBP 17k is correct and was on the BA website as a TOTAL package including flight pay in their last round of recrutiment. Base is about 11k. those are in pounds. Convert that into AUD currently and that is AUD 27k in base and all allowances.

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: mutu
Posted 2010-10-15 12:21:03 and read 7689 times.

Quoting anstar (Reply 11):
Actually GBP 17k is correct and was on the BA website as a TOTAL package including flight pay in their last round of recrutiment. Base is about 11k. those are in pounds. Convert that into AUD currently and that is AUD 27k in base and all allowances

Go to the CAA website and see what average earnings are. You are after all taking new joiners/new contract/shorthaul flying without any allowance for progression/seniority etc

The CAA website will demonstrate the problems BA have are due to a cabin crew being paid well above average (there are other problems as well). The figure you quote is NOT representative of what current staff earn

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: anstar
Posted 2010-10-15 12:29:49 and read 7663 times.

Quoting mutu (Reply 12):
Go to the CAA website and see what average earnings are. You are after all taking new joiners/new contract/shorthaul flying without any allowance for progression/seniority etc

Exactly - I am quoting the salary that NEW ENTRANTS will be on. Not the salary the old Bassa dinosaurs are on..!!!

Smi006 is not going to join on a 96 contract are they?

My price is for MIXED FLEET which is the only contract BA are offering to new entrants. So please tell me again, how this is incorect for a new entrant entering BA.

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: mutu
Posted 2010-10-15 12:53:24 and read 7609 times.

Quoting anstar (Reply 13):

I have to bow to your superior knowledge and years of experience working for BA. I must confess I didnt know that new joiners got rostered on the OZ routes so I am wrong

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: baexecutive
Posted 2010-10-15 15:53:49 and read 7360 times.

I'm sure if British Airways could find a profit in flying to everywhere then they would, until then you'll just have to make do with Emirates or Qantas or whatever.....sorry.

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: nkops
Posted 2010-10-15 15:57:10 and read 7354 times.

Quoting bonave (Thread starter):
BA To AUS And NZ Question

Thought that BA was going to Austin, TX.... threw me off there!!

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: EK413
Posted 2010-10-15 16:08:06 and read 7317 times.

Quoting tayser (Reply 2):
Keep in mind SYD has been "downgraded" to 777s on BA.

Correction ONLY 1 BA service has been down graded to B777 equipment BA015 LHR-SIN-SYD / BA016 SYD-SIN-LHR service...

EK413

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: PITrules
Posted 2010-10-15 16:22:31 and read 7280 times.

I posted this in another thread some time ago, but figured this thread is good for a trip down memory lane as well. Its amazing how many places BA flew Down Under, even CHC. From a 1988 timetable:

http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu162/JDawgphoto/IMG_1551.jpg

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: LondonCity
Posted 2010-10-15 17:12:54 and read 7189 times.

Quoting PITrules (Reply 18):
but figured this thread is good for a trip down memory lane as well. Its amazing how many places BA flew Down Under, even CHC. From a 1988 timetable:

Quite amazing when you consider that on some occasions earlier this year BA was operating only x1 a day to SYD.

Way back in 1988, EK was a small regional airline with a single route to Europe which I think was a single daily DXB-LGW with an A310.

And how many flights a week does EK now operate Down Under ? I think it's around 70 a week ! All are wide-bodied planes with a fair number of services operated by A380s.

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: EK413
Posted 2010-10-15 17:49:14 and read 7129 times.

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 19):
All are wide-bodied planes with a fair number of services operated by A380s.

1 destination to OZ operated by A380 equipment to be exact...

EK413

[Edited 2010-10-15 17:50:09]

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: baexecutive
Posted 2010-10-15 18:07:43 and read 7087 times.

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 19):

Isn't it amazing how people put so much store into where there clothes are made, what food they eat and where it comes from and carp on about the wrongs in the world but when it comes to airlines they will gladly fly with carriers who are based in countries with questionable human rights.....amazing.

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: bastew
Posted 2010-10-15 18:08:27 and read 7084 times.

There was actually an interesting article on this in the internal BA magazine. A few key points:

- The QF/BA JSA is the worlds longest running airline arrangement (just celebrated 15 years).

- The operation turns over GBP1.5B per yer (BA's total turnover is GBP8.3B)

- The JSA is overlooked by a team of 4 employees. Two from BA and two from QF. The QF JSA employees are based in the BA HQ and the BA JSA staff are based in the Qantas HQ in OZ.

- Quote from the BA JSA rep 'The JSA opens up Australia to UK customers. Most of our competitors don't fly to more than four hubs, whereas we can fly to 50 australian destinations. We don't just fly people to Sydney and leave them to work out how to get where they're going.'

- 'On the high yield corporate side particularly in the mining industry, this is an advantage. Its a huge business and a lot of mines are in Western Australia. Our customers can fly from London to Singapore, then get a connecting flight to Port Headland or Karatha - big mining centres. Its a unique selling point or the JSA'

- 'BA and Qantas can offer customers access to 90 european destinations, significantly more than emirates. Another plus is that although BA isn't getting its A380's until 2013, BA customers have the option of flying on one with Qantas so we can compete with SQ and EK in that arena. And of course each airlines frequent fliers can earn and burn miles on each others metal'.

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: alangirvan
Posted 2010-10-15 19:21:51 and read 6992 times.

Before the JSA, BA and other Europe based carriers had a problem - how to serve the smaller Australian cities. 30 years ago, it was OK to fly LHR-AUH-SIN-SYD-BNE. It did spoil the service for people in the second Australian city. It looked a bit strange when sometimes the service flew SIN-MEL-ADL, so that Adelaide people had to fly over their city, then fly back to it. It was a waste of time for people, when one of the services operated SIN-MEL-SYD-PER, but that was what BA had to do. Singapore had a hub in Singapore. Qantas called their operation a complex. I think at one point just before the JSA started, BA were considering basing a plane like a TriStar or 767 in Asia so they could do a change of gauge. This could have led to a problem - if they filled a 767 out of PER, would those passengers be competing with ex SYD passengers on the flight that continues to London?

The first part of the JSA saw BA going to PER and BNE, while QF did MEL exclusively (in the JSA) and both airlines did SYD. Little bit of a disappointment for Australians in BNE and PER who found they could not fly Qantas to London that year (well there were ways they could, but Qantas were supposed to be putting people onto the BA planes).

Note that Air France has a codesharing arrangement with Qantas, which gives AF access to passengers from all Australian Capital cities, using SIN or HKG as connecting points. AF would only fly their own services to SYD and MEL. Lufthansa can only put passengers onto Asian based Star Alliance carriers at Asian connecting points, and passengers might as well use the Asian carriers for their whole journey between Germany and Australia.

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: aviasian
Posted 2010-10-15 19:35:05 and read 6960 times.

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 23):

Not true ... lots of Lufthansa's passengers do stick to their airline of choice before transferring to an Asian carrier - Thai Airways International or Singapore Airlines - for the final leg to Australia. Perhaps because of cultural affinity, brand loyalty or some other factor, they still prefer to fly as much as possible onboard LH.

KC Sim

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: anstar
Posted 2010-10-15 23:48:49 and read 6597 times.

Quoting mutu (Reply 14):
I have to bow to your superior knowledge and years of experience working for BA. I must confess I didnt know that new joiners got rostered on the OZ routes so I am wrong

When did I say that?

smi006 mentioned IF BA had a crew base in AUS he would take a job even on MF salary.

I just quoted what the MF salary is in comparison to the AUS airlines.

Did I say the MF flew to Sydney - No.

Did I say all BA staff are on the MF new entrant salary - No.

As for what routes MF will fly - that hasn't been released tot he public yet.

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: klmd11l
Posted 2010-10-16 01:47:30 and read 6075 times.

BA, NZ & QF/JQ all have 787s on order, it's a matter of time before they start new routes in the UK/EU-AU/NZ market, Just wait for the Dreamliner!   

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: PITrules
Posted 2010-10-16 01:49:26 and read 6199 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 20):
1 destination to OZ operated by A380 equipment to be exact...

He said "Down Under", so that makes two; but really a moot point with 90-120 A-380s on the way (I'm sure most if not all AUS/NZ destinations will see the A-380)

[Edited 2010-10-16 01:58:30]

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: smi0006
Posted 2010-10-16 02:41:19 and read 5895 times.

Quoting anstar (Reply 25):
smi006 mentioned IF BA had a crew base in AUS he would take a job even on MF salary.

Haha that was until I found out how much they paid (I assumed it would be equal to QCCA). Really it is a trival comment on my belhalf I didn't mean it to cause any stress. Thankyou for your answer though. I am happy to delete my post for the sake of the forum?

Quoting klmd11l (Reply 26):
BA, NZ & QF/JQ all have 787s on order, it's a matter of time before they start new routes in the UK/EU-AU/NZ market, Just wait for the Dreamliner!

Everyone keeps saying this, I just hope it manifest that way! Bloody delays doing our Anet heads in!

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: LHRFlyer
Posted 2010-10-16 02:53:50 and read 5832 times.

I have often wondered (long before BA introduced Mixed Fleet) why BA has not set up a crew base in SYD to operate the SIN/BKK-SYD flights, in the same way QF has a crew base at LHR (possibly due to opposition from BASSA?). It would save the company a lot of money and possibly lead to better in flight service as from my own experience and reports from others, the service on the later legs of this long route for LHR crew seems to be more variable than usual.

BA does have local crew at bases around the world, but they only make up a small number of the total crew on flights.

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: 1stfl94
Posted 2010-10-16 03:44:22 and read 5579 times.

Do BA's SIN based crew operate SYD? BA may have just decided it was cheaper to use SIN based crew who could fly both ways

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: gemuser
Posted 2010-10-16 03:50:35 and read 5531 times.

Quoting klmd11l (Reply 26):
BA, NZ & QF/JQ all have 787s on order, it's a matter of time before they start new routes in the UK/EU-AU/NZ market, Just wait for the Dreamliner!

Don't hold your breath!

Gemuser

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: bastew
Posted 2010-10-16 05:48:52 and read 5210 times.

Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 30):
Do BA's SIN based crew operate SYD? BA may have just decided it was cheaper to use SIN based crew who could fly both ways

Yes. Just two per aircraft though.

BA would never open a SYD base as the schedule stands.

The SIN/BKK-SYD sectors are NOT big money paying sectors for the mainline LHR crews. They are only short-ish sectors so do not generate overtime, long range payments etc etc.

The big money on these trips is earned on the longrange UK - Asia sectors of the OZ trips. So an arrangement where the LHR based mainline crews fly to asia to be taken over by an OZ based crew wouldnt make the savings many would imagine it to make.

The entire International based cabin crew thing is an interesting situation. The LHR - GIG route is a good example. Most of us LHR based mainline crews were pretty shocked that when we started LHR-GIG direct we were told that there would be no Brazillian based crew on board......DUE TO COST(!!??). BA currently have a big GRU base so they could have easily made a GRU-LHR-GIG-LHR-GRU rotation for them (and the GRU crew begged BA for such a trip) but BA said it was more economical for them to use their LHR based crews.

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: vv701
Posted 2010-10-16 07:00:39 and read 5109 times.

Quoting zkojh (Reply 5):
It would be nice to see BA start a LHR-SIN-AKL market.

BA currently offer one-stop services to AKL (with change of aircraft) via HKG and LAX. Examples are:

BA27 (LHR-HKG). BA4551 (HKG-AKL) (CX metal). Scheduled elapsed time 27hrs 35 mins with 5 hr layover at HKG.

BA269 (LHR-LAX). BA7302 (LAX-AKL) (QF metal). Scheduled elapsed time 29hrs 05 mins with 4 hr 35 min layover at LAX.

You can also fly the second leg on AA metal from LAX and on JL metal from NRT.

Ignoring variations in layover time these services only differ to those offered by the likes of EK in terms of which airport the passengers change aircraft.

The chances of direct one-stop BA flights once they are operating 787s seem to me to be very, very slim. It would add little to what is currently available but use up a very valuable LHR slot pair. But we might see layover times reduced on the existing change-of-aircraft operator routes. This could have the same effect without using any additional LHR slots.

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: aussieindc
Posted 2010-10-16 08:38:48 and read 4961 times.

Quoting vv701 (Reply 33):
BA269 (LHR-LAX). BA7302 (LAX-AKL) (QF metal). Scheduled elapsed time 29hrs 05 mins with 4 hr 35 min layover at LAX.

You can also fly the second leg on AA metal from LAX

Um - you can?

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: LondonCity
Posted 2010-10-16 09:26:42 and read 4913 times.

Quoting vv701 (Reply 33):
BA currently offer one-stop services to AKL (with change of aircraft) via HKG and LAX. Examples are:

BA27 (LHR-HKG). BA4551 (HKG-AKL) (CX metal). Scheduled elapsed time 27hrs 35 mins with 5 hr layover at HKG.

BA269 (LHR-LAX). BA7302 (LAX-AKL) (QF metal). Scheduled elapsed time 29hrs 05 mins with 4 hr 35 min layover at LAX.

If only BA would market such a routing properly on its website. Check ba.com for LHR-AUK and you'll get an error message: "British Airways does not currently fly to this destination, so we are unable to find a price on ba.com ..."
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Quoting bastew (Reply 22):
'BA and Qantas can offer customers access to 90 european destinations, significantly more than emirates.

That is true but the problem is that pax from the UK (domestic) or mainland Europe points must make an extra plane change at LHR which, in many cases, will involve a change of terminal from T5 to T3. Not much fun when you have a 24-hour flight ahead of you !

It's a pity that under the terms of the JSA both BA and QF operate out of T3 as there isn't enough space for QF in T5.

If flying to a major gateway city like SYD, PER or MEL then the big advantage of flying EK or SQ or CX is the fact that you will usually have one less stop en route and then it will be within one terminal.

So, for example, with SQ you could fly AMS-SIN (change plane)-SYD while with BA it would be AMS-LHR (change plane T5 to T3)-BKK-SYD.

EK is especially popular with UK regional passengers because they avoid transitting London. And if you are based near the capital EK offers the option of departing LGW as well as LHR.

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: gemuser
Posted 2010-10-16 15:26:51 and read 4669 times.

Quoting aussieindc (Reply 34):
You can also fly the second leg on AA metal from LAX

Um - you can?

He meant AA flight numbers, on QF metal. Which is true.

Gemuser

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: DavidByrne
Posted 2010-10-17 00:52:48 and read 4481 times.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
Australia and NZ are just too far from Europe to fly profitably for European airlines which is why only UK airlines fly to Aussie these days.

Why might things be different for European airlines vs UK airlines?

And why is it profitable for NZ and Australian airlines to fly to Europe/UK via a half-way point fifth-freedom stopover, but not for Europe/UK airlines to fly to NZ/Australia via a half-way point fifth-freedom stopover? The assertion that European airlines can't make money in Australia or NZ has been around for as long as I've been following A-net, but I've never seen a realistic explanation why that might be. Surely both European and Aus/NZ airlines face exactly the same issues with crewing and aircraft utilisation? They're flying exactly the same routes but starting at different ends!

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: theginge
Posted 2010-10-17 03:53:13 and read 4295 times.

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 37):
Why might things be different for European airlines vs UK airlines?

And why is it profitable for NZ and Australian airlines to fly to Europe/UK via a half-way point fifth-freedom stopover, but not for Europe/UK airlines to fly to NZ/Australia via a half-way point fifth-freedom stopover? The assertion that European airlines can't make money in Australia or NZ has been around for as long as I've been following A-net, but I've never seen a realistic explanation why that might be. Surely both European and Aus/NZ airlines face exactly the same issues with crewing and aircraft utilisation? They're flying exactly the same routes but starting at different ends!

Yes of course European and UK airlines face the same issues with costs etc. What you have to remember is that the airlines only have X amount of Long haul aircraft so they need to decide where best to send them. A European Airline can probably make money flying to Australia / NZ but if there is more money to be made flying that aircraft somewhere else then they will do another route instead.
They will only fly as far as say Singapore and then route their passengers onwards on another carrier. It is better use of the aircraft time.

[Edited 2010-10-17 03:53:34]

[Edited 2010-10-17 03:54:29]

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: gemuser
Posted 2010-10-17 04:58:24 and read 4188 times.

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 37):
And why is it profitable for NZ and Australian airlines to fly to Europe/UK via a half-way point fifth-freedom stopover, but not for Europe/UK airlines to fly to NZ/Australia via a half-way point fifth-freedom stopover?

For European airlines the short answer is traffic volume, there is insufficient for them AND the intermediate based airlines. There is exactly one direct flight from Europe to Australia, QF FRA-SIN-SYD and it's lost/losing F and seems to be just hanging in there. Wouldn't be that surprised to see it go with the retirement of the RR B744s.

UK airlines are different. There is the volume and they are (we presume) making money (if not a lot). It's just for BA the JSA way is MORE profitable than serving Oz itself, and they are still competing with intermediate based airlines. VS, well who knows.

Gemuser

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: vv701
Posted 2010-10-17 11:39:39 and read 4022 times.

Quoting aussieindc (Reply 34):
Um - you can?
Quoting gemuser (Reply 36):
He meant AA flight numbers, on QF metal. Which is true.

Yes. But perhaps my wording was not of the best. QF26 (LAX-AUK) is also AA7337 as well as BA7302.

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: Auchmithie
Posted 2010-10-17 12:52:53 and read 3942 times.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 39):
QF FRA-SIN-SYD and it's lost/losing F and seems to be just hanging in there

This flight hasn't had F for at least 8 years. QF5/6 move a lot of belly freight and J loads are good. 356 Economy seats are a lot to fill so Y yields suffer but Premium Economy will be added early next year which will improve yield.

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: runway23
Posted 2010-10-17 13:06:07 and read 3922 times.

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 35):
If only BA would market such a routing properly on its website. Check ba.com for LHR-AUK and you'll get an error message: "British Airways does not currently fly to this destination, so we are unable to find a price on ba.com ..."

Maybe typing LHR-AKL would get you to the right airport and show results...

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: LondonCity
Posted 2010-10-17 13:17:43 and read 3876 times.

Quoting runway23 (Reply 42):
Maybe typing LHR-AKL would get you to the right airport and show results...

My mistake. Tks for pointing this out.

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: JQflightie
Posted 2010-10-18 02:02:55 and read 3541 times.

but... i know im going to get critisised for this but QF have the market covered in the AKL-SIN-LHR dept...
Jetstar ....
3K 402 AKL-SIN 1125-1800
connecting to:
BA 12 SIN-LHR 2255 -0505+1
BA 16 SIN-LHR 2310-0535+1
QF 9 SIN-LHR 2305-0540+1
QF 31 SIN-LHR 2359-0635+1

QF 10 LHR-SIN 2205-1800+1
BA 11 LHR-SIN 2125-1705+1
BA 15 LHR-SIN 2135-1735+1
connecting to:
3K 401 SIN-AKL 1950-0955+1

which also has easy connections with:
JQ 249 AKL-CHC 1215-1335


So it seems QF have done the '2 airline strategy' again   which IMHO is quite smart.

Topic: RE: BA To AUS And NZ Question
Username: aussieindc
Posted 2010-10-19 13:21:41 and read 3098 times.

Quoting vv701 (Reply 40):
Quoting aussieindc (Reply 34):
Um - you can?
Quoting gemuser (Reply 36):
He meant AA flight numbers, on QF metal. Which is true.

Yes. But perhaps my wording was not of the best. QF26 (LAX-AUK) is also AA7337 as well as BA7302.

no probs! I got caught up on the metal part. I thought I may have missed something.


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