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Topic: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: propilot83
Posted 2010-10-15 11:56:21 and read 36945 times.

Here we go folks, the first Boeing 747-8 Intercontinental passenger version takes shape at the Boeing Everett plant in Everett, WA. Take a look, I wonder which airline is going to take hold of this one after flight testing?

Beautiful airplane, cant wait until I fly on one, go Boeing and the legacy of the 747 continues into the future horizon.

http://www.boeing.com/Features/2010/10/bca_joining_1st_747-8.html

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2010-10-15 12:02:10 and read 36935 times.

I believe that this will be a VIP version, though I wouldn't swear to that.

I'm looking forward to seeing it in full paint.

-Dave

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: cosmofly
Posted 2010-10-15 12:05:44 and read 36895 times.

Nice video!      

Boeing, add more seats in OSU   

[Edited 2010-10-15 12:06:41]

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: 747classic
Posted 2010-10-15 12:16:19 and read 36747 times.

Already posted 2 hours ago.
see : Official 747-8 Flight Tracking Thread #2 (by moderators Jun 23 2010 in Civil Aviation)

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: Birdwatching
Posted 2010-10-15 12:23:48 and read 36687 times.

Wow!!

So is this going to be Lufthansa D-ABZA?

Soren   

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: warden145
Posted 2010-10-15 13:01:51 and read 36391 times.

Quoting propilot83 (Thread starter):
Beautiful airplane, cant wait until I fly on one, go Boeing and the legacy of the 747 continues into the future horizon.

I agree completely with your statement, although it seems that we're in the minority. The 747's a magnificent lady...I'll shed a genuine tear when the day comes (hopefully in the distant future) that the last 747 leaves pax service...

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: krisyyz
Posted 2010-10-15 13:02:29 and read 36381 times.

She looks amazing!

Not to long before the 747 becomes the "Queen of the Skies" again.

I just got my Hogan 1/200 B747-8 model, even the model is an impressive sight so I can't wait to see the new 747 take flight!

Thanks for sharing this video.

KrisYYZ

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: AirlineCritic
Posted 2010-10-15 13:31:00 and read 36152 times.

Quoting propilot83 (Thread starter):
First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape

Interesting. How do we know who the first passenger is?

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: gunsontheroof
Posted 2010-10-15 13:33:14 and read 36134 times.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 1):
I believe that this will be a VIP version, though I wouldn't swear to that.

Saw her yesterday on the factory tour--absolutely fantastic looking aircraft! She will indeed be a VIP bird (going to the Government of Kuwait) as well as a part of the 747-8i flight test program. Can't wait to see her roll out!

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: United_fan
Posted 2010-10-15 13:38:19 and read 36057 times.

On a side-note,I thought the -8i would have a 'skylight' for the staircase? I didn't see a window in that general position?

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: WesternA318
Posted 2010-10-15 13:48:26 and read 35975 times.

Quoting krisyyz (Reply 6):
Not to long before the 747 becomes the "Queen of the Skies" again

I always thought she was!  

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: ukoverlander
Posted 2010-10-15 13:52:00 and read 35925 times.

Much as I love the 747 I just can't find a way to get excited about the 747-8. It feels a bit too much like George Foreman coming out of retirement for another last shot at the title. Perhaps its also because the reaction from the airlines has been so tepid. While there will of course be some buyers (mainly freighters) I just tend to feel that this is one incarnation too far and that things have moved on....but hey, if people will buy then who am I to say she's past her best.

[Edited 2010-10-15 14:31:16]

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: LHPII
Posted 2010-10-15 14:10:58 and read 35768 times.

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 4):

LH's first bird will be D-ABYA, not D-ABZA, and the rest of the fleet will be D-ABY.......

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: FlyNWA727
Posted 2010-10-15 14:24:49 and read 35611 times.

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 11):
Much as I love the 747 I just can't find a way to get excited about the 747-8.

I somewhat agree. I will not be as critical about the 747 as a lot of non-Americans on here seem to be. It seems like as soon as another VLA (that will remain nameless) finally hit the market, all of a sudden, everyone was coming up with all of these excuses out of the blue as to why the 747 was all of a sudden a POS. The 747 will always be the Queen as it was the 'first' of its kind, and reigned for over 30 years. And I certainly don't have to mention the 747 is the sexiest airplane. No other aircraft has had as many special liveries as the 747, and none has ever made those special liveries look as good, as the 747. The only aircraft to come close to the 747 in the looks department, is the beautiful 77W.

With that said, the 748 isn't nearly as much as a visual radical redesign, for me to be giddy with excitement. A mere 51 passenger increase. The wing is slightly redesigned but not necessarily for the better. Gone are the amazing triple-slotted flaps. Now the wing is as simplified as ever aka boring. The interior gets an update which is rather nice but still nothing to go crazy over. I love the fuselage stretch, but it would have been so much better if it was stretched like the original 747-600X proposal. I would have loved to have seen the new main landing gear the the 747-600X was going to incorporate, installed on the 748i. The MLG would have been similar to the one on the A380.

All-in-All, I'm glad the 747 will prosper for a while longer, but it's not radical enough for me to be all that excited.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: warden145
Posted 2010-10-15 14:50:46 and read 35435 times.

Quoting FlyNWA727 (Reply 13):
The only aircraft to come close to the 747 in the looks department, is the beautiful 77W.

Call me old-fashioned if you will, but I would add the 707 to that list.    I've always loved the 707, 747, and L-1011...

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: Stitch
Posted 2010-10-15 14:58:55 and read 35364 times.

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 4):
So is this going to...Lufthansa...?

As noted up-thread, this first bird is a 747-8VIP. I believe LH's first frame is the second one, which I believe just completed wing-body join.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: FlyNWA727
Posted 2010-10-15 15:16:14 and read 35193 times.

Quoting warden145 (Reply 14):
Call me old-fashioned if you will, but I would add the 707 to that list. I've always loved the 707, 747, and L-1011...

I don't too much care for the 707, I'd choose the 727 over it, but the L-1011 is a definite.  

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: simpilot459
Posted 2010-10-15 16:05:33 and read 34203 times.

Awesome to see it coming together. Beautiful aircraft.

Quoting United_fan (Reply 9):
On a side-note,I thought the -8i would have a 'skylight' for the staircase? I didn't see a window in that general position?

Are you referring to the arched interior shape with the LED lighting to simulate a skylight? I've known a lot of people to think it's an actual skylight from the pictures.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: srbmod
Posted 2010-10-15 16:48:48 and read 33336 times.

Quoting 747classic (Reply 3):
Already posted 2 hours ago.
see : Official 747-8 Flight Tracking Thread #2 (by moderators Jun 23 2010 in Civil Aviation)

But this information is big enough to justify having a thread of it's own as that thread is for the tracking of test flights only.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: United_fan
Posted 2010-10-15 17:00:35 and read 33094 times.

Quoting simpilot459 (Reply 17):
Are you referring to the arched interior shape with the LED lighting to simulate a skylight? I've known a lot of people to think it's an actual skylight from the pictures.

Yes,I was under the impression that it was an actual a window.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: rcair1
Posted 2010-10-15 17:04:00 and read 33054 times.

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 11):
Much as I love the 747 I just can't find a way to get excited about the 747-8. It feels a bit too much like George Foreman coming out of retirement for another last shot at the title.

I'm afraid I can't agree. I think the -8 and -8i are marvelous looking aircraft as well enough 'new' to make them worthy of excitement. The beauty adds significantly - if there were no technical improvements (finally, engines that fit!) or if it were fugly - my excitement would be less. The fugly factor is what kept me from getting as excited about the A380 (plus too many hours in cattle cars to like even more people sharing my ride).

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 11):
Perhaps its also because the reaction from the airlines has been so tepid.

I think that has more to do with the viability of the VLA market and multiple players. The A380 is clearly the king of the hill in the VLA space, you can cram more people in there than any other plane - so if that is what you want - that is what you buy. That puts the -8i at a disadvantage in the market - there really is not room for two VLA's. As a -F - the 748 has some advantages.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2010-10-15 18:05:02 and read 32018 times.

"“This airplane is going to provide tremendous value, the best operating costs of any
airplane in its class. We’re putting in the brand new interior. It’s going to be a wonderful
addition to the 747 family,” Lund said."

My favorite statement because, of course, it is the only aircraft in its class.  

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: KPDX
Posted 2010-10-15 18:44:00 and read 31423 times.

Hm, gotta say I'm excited about this aircraft, because I am a big fan of aviation.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: soon7x7
Posted 2010-10-15 19:34:46 and read 30677 times.

I felt from the begining that this 747 is a sleeper...she will be slow to start in sales but will become more attractive as she is seen in service, performs, and the current 747 customers that have made fortunes from the inherent reliability of the previous 47 versions will seek those same qualities again. I'm more excited about this airframe than I am the plastic 87. And she's a lot sexier than the A380...11% sexier...

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: tristarcrazy
Posted 2010-10-15 21:01:38 and read 29518 times.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 23):
And she's a lot sexier than the A380...11% sexier...

LOL...the A380 may do a lot of great things but being sexy is not one of them. more like 110%

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: aviasian
Posted 2010-10-15 21:58:42 and read 29369 times.

I think we will all have to agree to agree where our feelings about an airplane is concerned, but agree to disagree where our views are divergent.

I personally think the B747-8 Intercontinental is the most beautiful version of the B747 family. The lengthened fuselage and the a-la-B787 wingtips perhaps have a lot to do with it.

It is like watching a new Queen being prepared for her coronation when the old Queen is talking about abdication. And yes, the B747 will always be the Queen of the Sky. This takes nothing away from the A380 which I have flown on several times and thoroughly enjoyed the experience.

At the end of the day, at this end of the scale, both Airbus and Boeing (in alphabetical order) could pat themselves on the back.

Now we wait to see what the B747-8 Intercontinental looks like in the customer's livery. I wonder if the Government of Kuwait will apply a completely different livery that does not look like a Kuwait Airways adaptation.

Does anyone in Lufthansa know where the B747-8I will initially be deployed? I am of course hoping that the routes chosen will include the Frankfurt-Singapore-Jakarta route.

KC Sim

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: JoeCanuck
Posted 2010-10-15 22:07:58 and read 29229 times.

Ironically, think the best looking 747's are the SP and the -8i.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: columba
Posted 2010-10-15 22:15:51 and read 30023 times.

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 4):
So is this going to be Lufthansa D-ABZA?

No, the second one will be for LH, also the Reg. will be D-ABYA. The - 8s will get the same registration as the 747-130s except for one that has crashed. I believe it was D-ABYB

Quoting warden145 (Reply 14):
Call me old-fashioned if you will, but I would add the 707 to that list.    I've always loved the 707, 747, and L-1011.

All the classics are much better looking then todays aircraft. Same with cars a vintage Mustang looks better then todays  

707, 727, Dc 8, Dc 10, L1011 best looking jet airliners ever build  

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: ukoverlander
Posted 2010-10-15 22:28:49 and read 29749 times.

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 26):
Ironically, think the best looking 747's are the SP

I couldn't agree more. I loved the SP and had the pleasure to fly on the Air Mauritius 747SP in the early 90's. For me it's something about the proportions - I always rather liked the 'stumpy' proportions for some reason (A318, 737-5/6, 767-2, and the SP).

When it comes to modern day aircraft I consider myself "an independent" so I'm really not into all this Boeing vs Airbus nonsense. Each on their own merits - both manufacturers make fine aircraft and when people try to polorize that into the tired old A v B deabate I find that they tend to say more about themselves than they do about the aircraft themselves.

That said the 747 has a grace that I think is unrivaled and when it comes to photographs or adverts the 747 is to me the obvious choice and truely lives up to the title Queen of the Skies. The A380 is an ugly duckling but a phenominal aircraft - looks are not everything.


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Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2010-10-15 22:56:40 and read 29313 times.

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 26):
Ironically, think the best looking 747's are the SP and the -8i.

I disagree about the SP. I think it looks too short and stubby. To me, the best looking of the 747 family are the -400 and the -8i. To a certain extent the regular 747s looked a little on the short side as well, the relatively short distance between door 3 to 4 tends to exaggerate that impression.

I really can't wait to see the 747-8i rolled out, and more importantly, for the pax version to take its first flight. It's great news to hear that the -8i is taking shape.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: propilot83
Posted 2010-10-15 23:38:12 and read 28801 times.

Hmmm I was kind of wondering this first 747-8i passenger version (not freighter) would go to Lufthansa or Korean Air, because I know Lufthansa has placed an order of 20 airplanes in its fleet of 747-8's. WOW impressive, I love Lufthansa German Airlines, its my favorite European airline, I was born there in Germany, and thats quite a large amount of an order for 20 airplanes. Check out the link below for orders for the 747-8. I hope sales pick up for the 747-8i, because only Lufthansa and Korean Airlines are the only two airlines that have ordered the passenger version, I am surprised United Air has not ordered any. There are plenty of orders for the 747-8 Freighter version.


http://www.newairplane.com/747/whos_flying/#/

Quoting gunsontheroof (Reply 8):
Saw her yesterday on the factory tour--absolutely fantastic looking aircraft! She will indeed be a VIP bird (going to the Government of Kuwait) as well as a part of the 747-8i flight test program. Can't wait to see her roll out!

Is Kuwait going to use this 747 for their presidential aircraft? Anyone know? How can we for sure confirm that this first 747-8i is going to the government of Kuwait? Can you please list some appropriate press sources?

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: solnabo
Posted 2010-10-16 00:49:17 and read 27945 times.

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 26):

Ironically, think the best looking 747's are the SP

Lets hope 748i dont go the same way as the SP.

//Mike   

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: BlueSky1976
Posted 2010-10-16 01:05:05 and read 27670 times.

Quoting FlyNWA727 (Reply 13):
The only aircraft to come close to the 747 in the looks department, is the beautiful 77W.

Regarding the 747, I only have one word to describe it's "beauty": UGHH!
The Mighty Triple Seven superceded it long, long, long time ago. This amazing twin never ceases to amaze me.

Quoting FlyNWA727 (Reply 13):
I love the fuselage stretch, but it would have been so much better if it was stretched like the original 747-600X proposal. I would have loved to have seen the new main landing gear the the 747-600X was going to incorporate, installed on the 748i.

Boeing should have brought back the 747-500X, give it new engines and update its wing. Then and only then, I would like the looks of the jumbo. Since shelving of that project, 777 is and will remain my absolute favourite among all Boeing-made jetliners.

Bash me all you want, but the -8 is a waste of time for Boeing. Give me the Y3!

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: 747classic
Posted 2010-10-16 01:16:21 and read 27483 times.

First 747-8 Intercontinental test aircraft :

L/N 1434 - 747-8XX, RC001, serial number ---------, destined for a BBJ customer in Kuwait.
This first Boeing 747-8 for this VIP customer will be equipped by Lufthansa Technik and will spend a maximum of 18 months at the Hamburg Completion Center, after flight testing has been completed.

Second 747-8 Intercontinental test aircraft :

L/N 1435 - 747-830, RC021, serial number 37826, second 747-8I test aircraft, destined for Lufthansa , registration D-ABYE. This aircraft will be refurbished (removal of test equipment and installation of cabin etc.) after the flight tests have been completed and will be actually delivered to DLH after D-ABYA,C and D.

Other Lufthansa 747-8I aircraft :

- 747-830, serial number 37827, RC022, LH registration D-ABYA
- 747-830, serial number 37828, RC023, LH registration D-ABYC*
- 747-830, serial number 37829, RC024, LH registration D-ABYD
- 747-830, serial number 37830, RC025, LH registration D-ABYF
Further 747-830’s with sequential serial numbers and registrations, last :
- 747-830, serial number 37845, RC040, LH registration D-ABYU

* D-ABYB not used (registration was used for LH 747-130, involved in Nairobi accident )

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: worldliner
Posted 2010-10-16 05:11:44 and read 24294 times.

Cant wait to see this taking to the skies

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: tonymctigue
Posted 2010-10-16 05:45:20 and read 23820 times.

I'd like to see the most hardened A380 enthusiast state that the B747 isn't the most beautiful aircraft ever built. I don't think it could be said. What a magnificant bird. I hope sales of the passenger version pick up because I do not want to live in a world where the B747 is no longer in passenger service. My love of airplanes comes from flying Aer Lingus B747's.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: PC12Fan
Posted 2010-10-16 05:53:42 and read 23706 times.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 23):

I tend to agree. IMO, it will have a similar start to the 757. I think the 748i will gain interest after she's been in service for a little bit. Then airlines will see the real world numbers. Then maybe current 744 operators can eye a replacement, without having to look at the A380 since the Airbus may be just too much aircraft for their needs.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2010-10-16 09:27:37 and read 20301 times.

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 36):
I tend to agree. IMO, it will have a similar start to the 757. I think the 748i will gain interest after she's been in service for a little bit. Then airlines will see the real world numbers. Then maybe current 744 operators can eye a replacement, without having to look at the A380 since the Airbus may be just too much aircraft for their needs.

I love the 747, but I tend to believe that every day that goes by it becomes less relevant in the passenger market due to the capabilities and market penetration of the A380. Had both aircraft debuted at the same time, it might be a little different, but the A380 will see improvements, it is a great platform for future growth, and it quite frankly is a very cost-effective machine.

Were I running a long-haul airline, I might long to have the 747 in my fleet, but I would likely choose the A380 instead. It is the future VLA until something all new from Boeing comes along.

-Dave

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: 328JET
Posted 2010-10-17 08:07:34 and read 17485 times.

Sorry to repeat, but this aircraft would have been fine ten years ago, but not today.


The -400 really impressed me, when she came out.
I was very excited when i spotted her on the first intra-german flights.


But the -8 is too long, lacks the nice looking winglets of the -400, has ugly engine cowls and looks very old-fashioned, especially the tailsection.


Give me a B77W over a B748I every day !!!

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: KPDX
Posted 2010-10-17 08:45:08 and read 17436 times.

Quoting 328JET (Reply 38):
Sorry to repeat, but this aircraft would have been fine ten years ago, but not today.


The -400 really impressed me, when she came out.
I was very excited when i spotted her on the first intra-german flights.


But the -8 is too long, lacks the nice looking winglets of the -400, has ugly engine cowls and looks very old-fashioned, especially the tailsection.


Give me a B77W over a B748I every day !!!

Wait wait... Let me guess. You think the A380 is gorgeous?  

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: 328JET
Posted 2010-10-17 08:50:04 and read 17383 times.

Quoting KPDX (Reply 39):
Wait wait... Let me guess. You think the A380 is gorgeous?

From what perspective?


- Comfort?

- Look?

- Future prospects?

- Airline acceptance?


 

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: KPDX
Posted 2010-10-17 09:04:06 and read 17287 times.

Quoting 328JET (Reply 40):

Sigh, twas a joke, but I meant from the look factor.  

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: 328JET
Posted 2010-10-17 09:08:13 and read 17308 times.

Quoting KPDX (Reply 41):
Sigh, twas a joke, but I meant from the look factor.

Ok... Sorry, i did not get it.  


The look of the A388 is far away from perfect in my eyes as well.


- the fuselage is at least 7 meters too short

- the nose is a bit beluga-like

- the raked wingtips should really be replaced by sharklets... ( I know about that 80 meters limit...)

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: VC10er
Posted 2010-10-17 09:10:23 and read 17222 times.

I think the fact that you can now see the new length of the upper deck, gives me hope. She looks much bigger that i thought. When i was on the A380, it was cool, but after the first hour the upper deck looked just like i was on an A340. When you ride upstairs on a 747-- the fact it is so much smaller than below gives one a much greater sense of exclusivity, especially when the upper deck is F like LH! Makes me feel like a rich capitalist pig for a while. Rather than a middle class nobody with an upgrade!

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: david_itl
Posted 2010-10-17 09:21:49 and read 17169 times.

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 35):
I'd like to see the most hardened A380 enthusiast state that the B747 isn't the most beautiful aircraft ever built

so I take it you've never seen Concorde. The 747 just looks like an ordinary aircraft that was brought before a committe whereupon somebody didn't like it and thumped at the front of the fuselage causing a bump.

I doubt you're going to get heads turrning when it's flying or going en masse to a viewing location as currently happens at MAN during the period the A380 is on the ground. It's just like any other 747; airlines seem to have spoken with regard to its economics.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: DEVILFISH
Posted 2010-10-17 15:46:38 and read 16609 times.

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 28):
For me it's something about the proportions - I always rather liked the 'stumpy' proportions for some reason (A318, 737-5/6, 767-2, and the SP).

Me too. However, physics dictated that the SP have a large, tall tail (not as pronounced on the 318 and 736) - which detracted a bit from its "well proportioned" looks. I'll await how a "fully dressed" 748i would turn out.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: Caryjack
Posted 2010-10-18 00:50:20 and read 16012 times.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 23):
And she's a lot sexier than the A380...11% sexier...

I think your Sex-O-Meter nailed it. What does it say about the L1011?   

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 26):
Ironically, think the best looking 747's are the SP and the -8i.

I'd agree with you on the SP, it's certainly the most striking of the 747s. I think the jury is still out on the i8 but we'll see for sure when she flies.   

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 28):
The A380 is an ugly duckling but a phenominal aircraft - looks are not everything.

Another good example is the 77W ( aka Big Foot). Just another tube with wings and an odd forehead, but her size and those massive twin engines ... well, you know the story.  

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 37):
I love the 747, but I tend to believe that every day that goes by it becomes less relevant in the passenger market due to the capabilities and market penetration of the A380. Had both aircraft debuted at the same time, it might be a little different, but the A380 will see improvements, it is a great platform for future growth, and it quite frankly is a very cost-effective machine.

I'd agree. The 478i is surrounded by newer, better, bigger, smaller, you name it, competitors, and time is running out. But, there is still a sliver of the market for 8i plus the 8F will certainly sell.

Quoting 328JET (Reply 42):

The look of the A388 is far away from perfect in my eyes as well.
- the fuselage is at least 7 meters too short
- the nose is a bit beluga-like
- the raked wingtips should really be replaced by sharklets... ( I know about that 80 meters limit...)

OK, 3 out of 4 for me. I understand that air dams, Sharklits, Winglets and raked tips are all used to control wing tip air flow. Of those, air dams add the least to wing length, then Sharklets & Winglets, leaving raked tips with the longest wing extension. I understand that Airbus selected air dams for the A-380 because of wing length restrictions. I imagine Sharklets. if they're like Winglets, would add 2 meters length to each wing but would rise 7 meters above it - quite a sight.   

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 45):
I'll await how a "fully dressed" 748i would turn out.

  

Thanks,  
Cary

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: columba
Posted 2010-10-18 01:22:49 and read 15882 times.

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 28):
. The A380 is an ugly duckling but a phenominal aircraft - looks are not everything.

If you see the A380 in the right angle with the impressive wings it is a great looking aircraft, what makes the A380 off looking is the front section with this huge forehead

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: Superfly
Posted 2010-10-18 01:39:13 and read 15867 times.

Great news!
This is the most exciting news from Boeing since the 747-400 was launched.
Glad to see the 747 continue on in to a new generation. I hope to see a lot more of these in service when the global economy picks up.

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 11):
It feels a bit too much like George Foreman coming out of retirement for another last shot at the title.

...and like George Forman, can still kick a$$!   

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 11):
Perhaps its also because the reaction from the airlines has been so tepid.

Don't let the penny-pinching bean counters spoil your enthusiasm. Had the Wright Brothers listened to been counters 110 years ago, they would have pursued another invention and we would not have airplanes.

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 26):
Ironically, think the best looking 747's are the SP and the -8i.

I have to disagree. The 747SP looks deformed.
Personally I like the 747-100 the most. Especially in American Airlines livery.

Hard for me to get excited about the new plastic planes that Boeing & Airbus is coming out with. Also twins are just plane boring.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: na
Posted 2010-10-18 05:22:37 and read 15351 times.

Quoting propilot83 (Thread starter):
Beautiful airplane, cant wait until I fly on one, go Boeing and the legacy of the 747 continues into the future horizon.

Without a doubt I´ll be on one of the first flights. I really happy LH has ordered this fantastic aircraft.

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 28):
The A380 is an ugly duckling but a phenominal aircraft - looks are not everything.

Same goes for the 77W, which I like to call the fat sausage. An overstretched tube with monstrous engines, an ugly forehead and a skinny tailfin, just odd. A380 and 77W are both no beauty queens. From some angles they look nice, from others they are almost ugly. Shame the designers had a bad day when drawing them up, but both are well-engineered no doubt.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: 747classic
Posted 2010-10-18 11:45:12 and read 14809 times.

Flightblogger via twitter ;

Boeing BBJ President Taylor: 747-8 Intercontinental first flight set for the end of 1Q2011.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: homsar
Posted 2010-10-18 17:15:38 and read 14243 times.

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 32):
Boeing should have brought back the 747-500X, give it new engines and update its wing.

Well, when you get down to it, give-or-take a few feet of fuselage length (I don't know offhand how the 748's length compares to the proposed 747-500 of 13 years ago), that's essentially what you have. It just has a different version number.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: Delimit
Posted 2010-10-18 17:18:57 and read 14325 times.

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 11):
Much as I love the 747 I just can't find a way to get excited about the 747-8.

My excitement stems almost solely from the fact that it will be the best looking 747 yet. The sexy new wing and longer upper deck will look fantastic And, of course...

Quoting rcair1 (Reply 20):
(finally, engines that fit!)
Quoting Caryjack (Reply 46):

Another good example is the 77W ( aka Big Foot). Just another tube with wings and an odd forehead, but her size and those massive twin engines ... well, you know the story.

Ha! The landing gear is part of what makes the 777 so hot. But I'll take a 200LR over a 300ER any day. The 777 looks tough. I know there are trijet fans and people for whom nothing less than 4 will do, but when you've got two GE 90s sitting under your wings, more would be silly.  
Quoting columba (Reply 47):
If you see the A380 in the right angle with the impressive wings it is a great looking aircraft, what makes the A380 off looking is the front section with this huge forehead

Sadly, it has the 320's nose as well. The 330 and 340 are the beauties of the Airbus family.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: Schweigend
Posted 2010-10-18 22:39:43 and read 13964 times.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 43):
I think the fact that you can now see the new length of the upper deck, gives me hope. She looks much bigger that i thought. When i was on the A380, it was cool, but after the first hour the upper deck looked just like i was on an A340. When you ride upstairs on a 747-- the fact it is so much smaller than below gives one a much greater sense of exclusivity, especially when the upper deck is F like LH! Makes me feel like a rich capitalist pig for a while. Rather than a middle class nobody with an upgrade!

How true.

Quoting 328JET (Reply 38):
But the -8 is too long, lacks the nice looking winglets of the -400, has ugly engine cowls and looks very old-fashioned, especially the tailsection.

IMO, the 744's winglets look inelegant compared to the curving shape of the 748's raked ones, the new cowls are sexy, and the vertical fin looks even better now that it's taller (though not as tall as the SP's)!

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 45):
I'll await how a "fully dressed" 748i would turn out.

Yessirree -- but, yipes, do we have to wait until late next year to see one of Lufti's?

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2010-10-18 23:22:46 and read 13860 times.

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 26):
Ironically, think the best looking 747's are the SP

And there I have to disagree. The 74SP has all the grace and beauty of Madeline Albright in a leotard on figure skates.

Every other model of 747 (except the LCF) has a graceful beauty. The SP is just a tragedy, right down to that odd dip in the fuselage cross-section at the tail.

But the 744's winglets and extended upper deck in my opinion made her the most gorgeous Queen there is.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: Superfly
Posted 2010-10-19 00:12:49 and read 13816 times.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 54):
grace and beauty of Madeline Albright in a leotard on figure skates.

There goes my lunch!   

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 53):
IMO, the 744's winglets look inelegant compared to the curving shape of the 748's raked ones

I like the sharp, abrupt angles of the winglets on the 747-400.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 43):
When i was on the A380, it was cool, but after the first hour the upper deck looked just like i was on an A340.

Well the A340 is another beautiful and elegant aircraft so you're actually complimenting the A380.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 43):
When you ride upstairs on a 747-- the fact it is so much smaller than below gives one a much greater sense of exclusivity, especially when the upper deck is F like LH! Makes me feel like a rich capitalist pig for a while. Rather than a middle class nobody with an upgrade!

I prefer the lower deck of the 747. The A-cabin in the nose is much more quiet than the upper-deck.
United Airlines and all others that put 1st. class in the nose and business class in the upper-deck has the right idea.
When I fly United Airlines Business Class on their 747, I prefer the lower-deck because it's much more quiet and has a higher ceiling.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: FlyNWA727
Posted 2010-10-19 00:55:56 and read 13674 times.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 37):
I love the 747, but I tend to believe that every day that goes by it becomes less relevant in the passenger market due to the capabilities and market penetration of the A380.
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 37):
Were I running a long-haul airline, I might long to have the 747 in my fleet, but I would likely choose the A380 instead. It is the future VLA until something all new from Boeing comes along.
Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 26):
Ironically, think the best looking 747's are the SP and the -8i.

Like many others, I definitely have to disagree with you there. The 747SP has got to be the biggest abomination ever to take flight. It's a flying nightmare. Horrible from nose to tail. Stubby and awkward looking. The vertical stabilizer is hideous due to the increased length to compensate for loss of moment arm. The grotesque dent in the upper fuselage immediately forward of the tail isn't rather unsightly. And the modified wings didn't help any, either. The ugliest duckling to ever take flight.

As for the 748i... it's attractive but now it just looks like a stretched 747-300 with slightly larger engines. The winglets on the 744 is what made the aircraft so attractive and aesthetically pleasing. I saw a documentary a while back, and they were interviewing some of the higher level execs at Boeing. One of the persons who headed the 744 design project, openly admitted that the only real reason why the 744 gained the winglets, was because "the looked cool". Contrary to popular belief, the winglets on the 744 weren't very great in terms of added economics. Now, the wing on the 748 just looks so "Plain Jane". And those lovely triple-slotted flaps are gone, too. The 744 is definitely the most attractive 747.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: Schweigend
Posted 2010-10-19 01:11:36 and read 13648 times.

Right on, Superfly! A340s are gorgeous from the outside -- but sitting in Zone A on a 47 is incomparable. Not even the 380 can match it. Plus the wing on an A380 blocks the view for most pax.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 54):
The SP is just a tragedy, right down to that odd dip in the fuselage cross-section at the tail.

The 74SP looks bizarre with its weird tail-section -- the dip-down and the big, almost triangular tail -- not to mention how the aft cargo hatch incorporates part of the wing-to-body fairing! Rare to see them anymore here at IAH, except when Saudi Arabian Airlines brings them here for VIPs or the Hajj.

And those old Pratts with their conical exhausts...v. v. sexy..

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: Schweigend
Posted 2010-10-19 01:27:03 and read 13598 times.

I must say to everyone here that that 748F is more attractive-looking than the 8i because of its tiny hump, accentuating its length, and reminding us of 1970.

The upper stretched part of the 748i is something that will take some getting used to.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: solnabo
Posted 2010-10-19 01:39:15 and read 13618 times.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 54):
And there I have to disagree. The 74SP has all the grace and beauty of Madeline Albright in a leotard on figure skates.

Priceless...made my day      

I agree, the -SP is a stubby oddball in the 747 series. Waiting for the A380-900, it´s gonna look much better than -800 imho, longer n sleaker.

//Mike

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: Schweigend
Posted 2010-10-19 01:46:02 and read 13571 times.

Quoting solnabo (Reply 59):
Waiting for the A380-900, it´s gonna look much better than -800 imho, longer n sleaker.

Yes, that is what the A380 was made for -- not the stubby -800 version -- would love to see the eventual -900 --

It will look FABULOUS

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: ZKSUJ
Posted 2010-10-19 02:01:13 and read 13527 times.

The tripple slotted flaps made the 747 look amazing. Shame to see that go. Oh and the winglets too

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: Schweigend
Posted 2010-10-19 02:20:04 and read 13494 times.

This is probably a Tech Ops question, but has Boeing in its newest 747 conquered the section 41 issues that used to plague it?

And with the 748i's further-extended UD, that perfectly flat part of the fuselage skin between upper and lower is now longer.

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 61):
The tripple slotted flaps made the 747 look amazing.

Dig triple slots -- all the way down, baby -- but what a maintenance headache. The number 2 and 3 aft flaps always getting damaged by debris.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: Stitch
Posted 2010-10-19 08:33:55 and read 13093 times.

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 32):
Boeing should have brought back the 747-500X, give it new engines and update its wing.

The two aircraft do share a number of similarities, though the 747-500X would have used the 777's wing.

Boeing 747-8I and Boeing 747-500X

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: 747classic
Posted 2010-10-19 08:57:16 and read 12933 times.

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 62):
This is probably a Tech Ops question, but has Boeing in its newest 747 conquered the section 41 issues that used to plague it?



Section 41 issues were resolved in all aircraft built after line number 685, which was
built in August 1987.
So, 747-200/300's built after that date and all 747-400's don't have section 41 issues.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: mdword1959
Posted 2010-10-19 10:37:18 and read 12704 times.

Boeing has released a video of the 747-8i body join:

www.boeing.com/Features/2010/10/bca_joining_1st_747-8.html

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: 328JET
Posted 2010-10-19 23:26:51 and read 12106 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 63):

The two aircraft do share a number of similarities, though the 747-500X would have used the 777's wing

Which in my opinion would have been a much smarter move.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: Stitch
Posted 2010-10-20 08:51:00 and read 11712 times.

Quoting 328JET (Reply 66):
Which in my opinion would have been a much smarter move.

It would have cost a great deal more time and money to develop and would have pushed EIS back to when Airbus was planning to push out four A380s a month.

In 1996 dollars, the 747-500X and 747-600X were expected to cost $12 billion to develop. So adjusted for inflation, it would be a good bit higher in today's dollars. And the three airlines that placed firm MoUs for the 747-600X - BA, TG and MH - are all A380-800 customers now.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: 328JET
Posted 2010-10-20 09:06:32 and read 11639 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 67):
And the three airlines that placed firm MoUs for the 747-600X - BA, TG and MH - are all A380-800 customers now.

Yes, but would they really be A380-customers today, if Boeing would have developed the -500 and -600?

I am not so sure.


Boeing was really struggling and playing with at least 20 different B747-ideas before the -8 was started.
Even a pax version based on the B742-fuselage and decks was considered...


Probably a bit too much confusion to make potential customers really believe in a product.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: Stitch
Posted 2010-10-20 09:14:25 and read 11614 times.

Quoting 328JET (Reply 68):
Yes, but would they really be A380-customers today, if Boeing would have developed the -500 and -600?

I would guess no, as Airbus was shopping the A3XX at the same time.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: 747classic
Posted 2010-10-20 09:18:14 and read 11634 times.

The four months 747- 8 Intercontinental flight test program starts in March 2011.

In addition to the first 747-8 BBJ, four additional BBJ's will be produced in 2011.

Lufthansa's first -8I is slated to be handed over to the German flag carrier in early 2012

see : http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...47-8i-flight-test-campaign-sl.html

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: mdword1959
Posted 2010-10-20 09:41:42 and read 11536 times.

Quoting 747classic (Reply 70):
Lufthansa's first -8I is slated to be handed over to the German flag carrier in early 2012

I'm a bit surprised LH isn't getting one in 2011 as well, five units will be delivered to BBJ in the last two months of 2011 before LH get its first bird.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: 747classic
Posted 2010-10-20 10:30:50 and read 11412 times.

Quoting mdword1959 (Reply 71):
I'm a bit surprised LH isn't getting one in 2011 as well, five units will be delivered to BBJ in the last two months of 2011 before LH get its first bird.



The 5 BBJ's are green aircraft (no interior installed), the first LH 747-8 Intercontinental must be delivered with the first fully functional airline interior, incl all new "IFE" gadgets.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: 328JET
Posted 2010-10-20 22:45:16 and read 10937 times.

Quoting 747classic (Reply 70):
The four months 747- 8 Intercontinental flight test program starts in March 2011

4 month? Like the 8 month for the B787?

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: Superfly
Posted 2010-10-21 00:53:13 and read 10840 times.

Will there be any carriers that will have a bare polished metal 747-8 or 747-8I?
Does the 747-8 use more plastic external parts like the 787 and A350?

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: Kngkyle
Posted 2010-10-21 01:24:39 and read 10788 times.

It will easily be the best looking 747 yet in my opinion. All the proportions are just right.

[Edited 2010-10-21 01:25:07]

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: Garpd
Posted 2010-10-21 04:48:10 and read 10645 times.

Quoting 328JET (Reply 73):
4 month? Like the 8 month for the B787?

What does the 787 have to do with the 748i program? Other than they are both Boeing projects?
The 748i is far more conventional in its design and contruction than the revolutionary 787. In theory it should have far less kinks to be ironed out.

[Edited 2010-10-21 04:51:44]

[Edited 2010-10-21 04:52:02]

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: todaReisinger
Posted 2010-10-22 16:57:42 and read 10166 times.

I was SO happy when I first heard about the 747-8....... it's GREAT to know that this most gorgeous airplane will continue to grace our airports for years to come..........  
Quoting FlyNWA727 (Reply 56):
Like many others, I definitely have to disagree with you there. The 747SP has got to be the biggest abomination ever to take flight. It's a flying nightmare. Horrible from nose to tail. Stubby and awkward looking. The vertical stabilizer is hideous due to the increased length to compensate for loss of moment arm. The grotesque dent in the upper fuselage immediately forward of the tail isn't rather unsightly. And the modified wings didn't help any, either. The ugliest duckling to ever take flight.
Quoting Superfly (Reply 48):
I have to disagree. The 747SP looks deformed.

Ha ha absolutely! To me, the SP looks like a monster.

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 61):
The tripple slotted flaps made the 747 look amazing. Shame to see that go. Oh and the winglets too

What are the tripple slotted flaps?

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: Stitch
Posted 2010-10-22 17:18:40 and read 10073 times.

Quoting 328JET (Reply 73):
4 month?

Remember that the 747-8 Intercontinental's flight test program will leverage much of the current flight testing performed on the 747-8F. So the number of issues that need to be tested and the number of hours needed will be lower.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: Antoniemey
Posted 2010-10-22 17:21:47 and read 10041 times.

Quoting Garpd (Reply 76):
The 748i is far more conventional in its design and contruction than the revolutionary 787. In theory it should have far less kinks to be ironed out.
Quoting Stitch (Reply 78):
Remember that the 747-8 Intercontinental's flight test program will leverage much of the current flight testing performed on the 747-8F. So the number of issues that need to be tested and the number of hours needed will be lower.

Don't they also benefit from being a derivative of a grandfathered model, which means there's some things they just won't have to test as much?

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2010-10-22 21:06:27 and read 9794 times.

Quoting todaReisinger (Reply 77):
What are the tripple slotted flaps?

Flaps that have three ... umm ... slots, really, for want of a better word.


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Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: HendrixAir
Posted 2010-10-23 05:23:22 and read 9455 times.

I can't help but wonder what we would have thought about the 747-8 if it was a "new" design? I think a lot of the reason so many people find 747:s beautiful is because the 747 series has defined long haul air travel for 40 years now. They have been the de facto standard and have had an enormous impact on our view of the world. Since beauty really is in the eye of the beholder our previous experiences heavily impact our definition of beauty.

Imagine for a second that the A380 had been introduced first and then Boeing would have presented the 747 with two decks for only half of the fuselage length. Would we really have found that aircraft a beauty then?

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: VC10er
Posted 2010-10-23 22:32:38 and read 8984 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 55):

I do indeed get that exclusive feeling upstairs on BA business class seat or First on LH ...but I will also totally contradict myself .... I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ON UNITED. I CALL SEAT 1A AND 1K ON A UNITED 747 "MY HAPPY PLACE" I can sit or lay in that seat for 10 round trips to Singapore without stopping. And while UNITED isnt SQ, I find the service and the seat fantastic! I am so fearful of the day UNITED stops flying 747's for this sole reason. So, please UA please convert those A-350's to the 747-8i, FIRST CLASS ON UNITED, IN THE NOSE OF A 747 IS MAGNIFICENT! Call your GS/1K's, I bet they agree- while 777 is great too, or an A-350 will be, 787's to - but not face a big flat bulkhead always is a special feeling. I appologize for sounding like such a snob. It's all work, I was just a poor kid from the Bronx so i'm impressed easy!

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 54):

Albright as a 747SP is the FUNNIEST thing I've ever read on A.net!!! Thank you!!!

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: todaReisinger
Posted 2010-10-24 07:53:51 and read 8690 times.

Quoting HendrixAir (Reply 81):
I think a lot of the reason so many people find 747:s beautiful is because the 747 series has defined long haul air travel for 40 years now. They have been the de facto standard and have had an enormous impact on our view of the world. Since beauty really is in the eye of the beholder our previous experiences heavily impact our definition of beauty.

Of course the appreciation of beauty is subjective, it depends on the tastes of everyone. But there are some rules in it, too. One can like or not like Mozart's music, but it is objectively more beautiful than the sounds a baby would be emitting playing on a piano. In my exemple, the 747 is a Mozart concerto......   .

Then from a personal and subjective point of view: to me, the Boeing 747 is one of the most beautiful objects ever created by man  
Quoting CXB77L (Reply 80):

Flaps that have three ... umm ... slots, really, for want of a better word.

ah ha, ok, thanks. I never paid attention to the difference between 2 and 3 slots...... Only thing I remember is that I was impressed as a child by the 707's wing at landing..........




BTW, why has Boeing reintroduced the term "Intercontinental"? It was in use rather in the 1950s and 60s......

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: Blythy
Posted 2010-10-24 14:30:39 and read 8142 times.

Quoting todaReisinger (Reply 77):
What are the tripple slotted flaps?

slots are holes in the wing cross section to allow the high pressure air on the lower side of the wing to bleed out over the upper side of the wing, helping to create more lift. The 747 is an old wing, and has three slots for the wing section, which has the downside of creating a lot of noise and presumably drag. Newer aircraft with more efficient wings, can get away with fewer slots (this helps to reduce weight as well). All airbus aircraft have single slotted flaps (and a far cleaner wing in landing configuration), while the 777 has double slotted flaps between the fuselage and engine and single slotted from the engine to the aileron. The 747-8 has a similar arrangement, while the 787 only has single slotted flaps.

Topic: RE: First Boeing 747-8i Passenger Takes Shape
Username: XaraB
Posted 2010-10-24 15:29:07 and read 7965 times.

Quoting Blythy (Reply 84):
All airbus aircraft have single slotted flaps

Slight correction: The A321 has double-slotted flaps.


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