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Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: AA767400
Posted 2010-10-06 05:05:47 and read 45105 times.

http://aa.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=3032

JFK-BUD AA

LAX-MAD IB

SAN-LHR BA

ORD-HEL AA

Very interesting times!

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: commavia
Posted 2010-10-06 05:09:57 and read 45135 times.

A good start - and all make sense (and none are particularly that suprising) - but they better have something beyond this when Arpey gets to JFK later. I'm waiting to hear these 6 new JFK routes (now we know what 1 of them is).

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: commavia
Posted 2010-10-06 05:23:48 and read 44875 times.

Also heard from the press conference:

Arpey referenced that they are working on "exciting" preliminary designs for T8 at JFK with the PANYNJ and all parties hope to finalize a deal in 2011.

AA is recalling 250 pilots and 550 flight attendants

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: lhr380
Posted 2010-10-06 05:27:51 and read 44759 times.

Fantastic news. Getting lots of twitter updates from the BA twitter team about all of this. Great news for passengers and staff alike!!

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: teme82
Posted 2010-10-06 05:28:10 and read 44698 times.

Quoting AA767400 (Thread starter):
ORD-HEL AA

Finally I can get some other planes than the "usual" on my camera =) Any info what metal they will be using? I bet that it's code share with AY. Now some people that I know that do business in Chicago will have nonstop flight to there so no longer via LHR (they hate it).

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: DFWEagle
Posted 2010-10-06 05:29:28 and read 44697 times.

Quoting teme82 (Reply 4):
Any info what metal they will be using?

Not yet, but I'd be shocked if it was not the Boeing 767-300ER

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: AA787
Posted 2010-10-06 05:30:20 and read 44628 times.

Quoting commavia (Reply 1):
but they better have something beyond this when Arpey gets to JFK later. I'm waiting to hear these 6 new JFK routes (now we know what 1 of them is).

amen....


This is all cool, but I hope to hear more by the end of the day!

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: teme82
Posted 2010-10-06 05:34:48 and read 44481 times.

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 5):

Not yet, but I'd be shocked if it was not the Boeing 767-300ER

Just read the AY press release it's the 767-300ER. This is the first time when other US airline than PanAm or Delta flies to HEL. Dep. from ORD 3.40 pm and Arr. to HEL at 8:30 am and Dep. from HEL 2 pm and Arr. at 3.20 pm in ORD all times are local. This is the long needed connection to mid-west US and it cuts the needs of stops when going to west-coast US.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: tootallsd
Posted 2010-10-06 05:38:41 and read 44343 times.

Really happy to be seeing British back in San Diego.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: commavia
Posted 2010-10-06 05:41:55 and read 44301 times.

Again from the press conference:

Responding to a question, Walsh confirmed what I have long suspected - they are, indeed, looking at shifting some AA/BA flights between T3 and T5 at LHR to maximize connections and customer experience. To me, what this means is that they are going to try and consolidate flights at one terminal or another based on destination - i.e., all flights (regardless of carrier) to JFK/ORD/LAX to T5, all flights (regardless of carrier) to DFW, etc. to T3.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: flflyguy
Posted 2010-10-06 05:47:56 and read 44080 times.

Interesting news! And hopefully more to come soon.

On the AA Flight Service website, our VP Denise Lynn has a message about the announcements, and it includes the statement :

"And we will increase service on New York JFK - Barcelona and Miami – Madrid."

Haven't seen that anywhere else. Does anyone have details?

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: miami1
Posted 2010-10-06 05:53:01 and read 43895 times.

Looks like these pioneering one world carries are going oneworld hub to hub with additional flying as well, this is great. I can only hope that Qantas ,which it seems is the only oneworld airline not announcing new or additional routes except thru its low cost jetstar model, comes up with some news about expansion. Hopefully the Berlin and Madrid rumours come into fruition and Sao Paulo and Dallas come online at some stage, come on Qantas ! stop being a stuffy old mens club and start flying that Kangaroo furthur afield.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: lhr380
Posted 2010-10-06 06:01:57 and read 43645 times.

Quoting commavia (Reply 9):
Again from the press conference:

Responding to a question, Walsh confirmed what I have long suspected - they are, indeed, looking at shifting some AA/BA flights between T3 and T5 at LHR to maximize connections and customer experience. To me, what this means is that they are going to try and consolidate flights at one terminal or another based on destination - i.e., all flights (regardless of carrier) to JFK/ORD/LAX to T5, all flights (regardless of carrier) to DFW, etc. to T3.


This is interesting news!

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: downtown273
Posted 2010-10-06 06:05:42 and read 43531 times.

Quoting AA767400 (Thread starter):
LAX-MAD IB

Good to see IB expanding a bit in the US, Iberia's network to the US is rather poor and most pax in Spain need to fly via CDG/FRA/AMS to get to most places in the US.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: ChopChop767
Posted 2010-10-06 06:12:10 and read 43313 times.

From the announcement:

Greater access to a wider choice of fares
Coordinated schedules on joint routes to provide customers with better flight choice and timings
Dedicated support teams for customers transferring at five of the airlines' hubs: New York JFK, London Heathrow, Madrid, Chicago and Miami.
Online check in and boarding pass printing with either the airline operating the flight, or the one the ticket was booked through
Integrated online flight information on all three airlines' websites
Increased opportunity to earn and redeem frequent flyer benefits on trans-Atlantic flights
More integrated account management for corporate customers

I'm interested in the "increased opportunity to earn and redeem frequent flyer benefits". Does this finally mean that as an AA Frequent Flyer, I'll be able to earn miles on BA should I opt to use them?

Secondly, AA ORD to HEL, should be interesting as they are two currently two un-connected hubs.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: LAX888
Posted 2010-10-06 06:21:30 and read 43130 times.

what planes are IB and BA using for their new west coast routes? I guess BA wil use a B772 and IB an A343?

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 12):

that would be great. I dreaded changing from T5 to T3 to catch my AA flight to LAX. I guess when the C gates open they have enough gates to let other oneworld carriers use them.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: EMB170
Posted 2010-10-06 06:32:38 and read 42665 times.

Wow...wasn't expecting ORD-HEL, but it does make sense...

JFK-BUD...with MA gone from the TATL game, DL's had it all to themselves, so I could see AA's interest.

LAX-MAD does make sense on IB, and it's nice to see BA wants to come back to SAN. Question though: I thought BA had performance issues with SAN's short runways...I always thought that was why SAN was always a tag from PHX. Has BA figured out a solution for that?

I wonder if DL will consider (re)starting JFK-HEL now...

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: DLBOIFIN
Posted 2010-10-06 06:32:56 and read 42653 times.

Fantastic news for HEL, this is something we have been looking for! Way to go AA!!!   

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: GRUIAD
Posted 2010-10-06 06:39:29 and read 42385 times.

Quoting EMB170 (Reply 16):
I thought BA had performance issues with SAN's short runways

As has been mentioned in this forum before, the performance issues were related to frequent flyer base and lack of access to premium traffic. These are now moot with the joint business.

It was not RWY performance as (according to airport records) the aircraft on average carried more cargo to London than the aircraft carried from London.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: teme82
Posted 2010-10-06 06:48:46 and read 41984 times.

Quoting EMB170 (Reply 16):

I wonder if DL will consider (re)starting JFK-HEL now...

I think that they will. But there isn't really connections from HEL onwards with SkyTeam unless you count SU's flights to Moscow.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: Frostbite
Posted 2010-10-06 06:51:41 and read 41888 times.

Does AA intend to serve ORD-HEL and JFK-BUD on a year-round basis, or seasonally? The current press release does not give much information.

These are interesting adds - I would never have guessed JFK-BUD - but hopefully there is more to come....otherwise AAnitclimax.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: SCL767
Posted 2010-10-06 06:55:02 and read 41679 times.

Quoting flflyguy (Reply 10):
"And we will increase service on New York JFK - Barcelona and Miami – Madrid."

Haven't seen that anywhere else. Does anyone have details?

Since AA operates MIA-MAD daily with the B763, perhaps IB will increase frequency on its daily MAD-MIA service.

Quoting miami1 (Reply 11):
Looks like these pioneering one world carries are going oneworld hub to hub with additional flying as well, this is great. I can only hope that Qantas ,which it seems is the only oneworld airline not announcing new or additional routes except thru its low cost jetstar model, comes up with some news about expansion. Hopefully the Berlin and Madrid rumours come into fruition and Sao Paulo and Dallas come online at some stage, come on Qantas ! stop being a stuffy old mens club and start flying that Kangaroo furthur afield.

The SYD-EZE route is known to be unprofitable for Qantas despite a general improvement in demand for international flights. Flying to Sao Paulo or even Rio de Janeiro could be a challenge for Qantas because of the long flight time. It would have to be flown by a four-engine aircraft such as a Boeing 747-400, which would not be able to take a full payload because of the distance between SYD and GRU/GIG. A broader alliance with LAN, which allowed Qantas to link to more South American destinations, makes better sense than direct flights to Brazil. Qantas already codeshares on LAN flights between Sydney and Chile's capital, Santiago. LAN and Qantas are both in the oneworld alliance, although LAN's recent takeover bid for the Brazilian airline TAM has cast some doubt over whether it will remain in oneworld.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: teme82
Posted 2010-10-06 06:58:41 and read 41517 times.

Quoting Frostbite (Reply 20):
Does AA intend to serve ORD-HEL and JFK-BUD on a year-round basis, or seasonally?

I think that ORD-HEL could be year around service. Mostly because it's hub-to-hub. You can connect from ORD to the west-coast destinations and from HEL to Eastern Europe and the Baltic states. Not sure about the ORD-BUD it remains to be seen if MA can arrange good connections onwards.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: downtown273
Posted 2010-10-06 06:59:36 and read 41517 times.

When will these new flights be available for booking? I tried MAD-LAX on May and June and still nothing showing up as non-stop.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: VS11
Posted 2010-10-06 07:09:12 and read 41134 times.

Any idea about the times of the JFK-BUD flight?

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2010-10-06 07:10:34 and read 41813 times.

Quoting downtown273 (Reply 23):
When will these new flights be available for booking? I tried MAD-LAX on May and June and still nothing showing up as non-stop.

It will take 5 days to a week to get them loaded.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2010-10-06 07:16:53 and read 41824 times.

Quoting commavia (Reply 1):
A good start - and all make sense (and none are particularly that suprising) - but they better have something beyond this when Arpey gets to JFK later. I'm waiting to hear these 6 new JFK routes (now we know what 1 of them is).

A very good start, but this does confirm that announcements will be spread out through the fall rather than one big bang.

Quoting downtown273 (Reply 23):
When will these new flights be available for booking? I tried MAD-LAX on May and June and still nothing showing up as non-stop.

Should be available for booking on Saturday.

Chicago-Helsinki is the most surprising to me. The rest don't shock me at all.

[Edited 2010-10-06 07:21:08]

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: cybergus
Posted 2010-10-06 07:19:54 and read 42387 times.

Quoting AA767400 (Thread starter):
JFK-BUD AA

Did Malev had intentions to restore long haul flights? Now it seems like a huge NO with AA doing the JFK-BUD leg.

Quoting AA767400 (Thread starter):
LAX-MAD IB

Which aircraft will they use? A343? A346? or the so long rumored A330?

Tavo

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2010-10-06 07:25:18 and read 42129 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 26):

Chicago-Helsinki is the most surprising to me. The rest don't shock me at all.

This is the one Im most excited about. I dont know if Ill have a chance to use the others. I do frequent Finland and last time I got stuck in JFK for 8 hours because of a misconnect. With the better frequency out of ORD, that shouldnt happen there.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2010-10-06 07:33:58 and read 41791 times.

Wow, I was expecting a bit more from this alliance. It doesn't seem like LHRSAN is something that is "alliance-enabled", while MADLAX clearly is. JFKBUD and ORDHEL are a out of left field--the latter is a very small local market while the former was tried by DL and might return. I'm not sure a basket case "hub" at one end will off set AA's higher costs.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2010-10-06 07:35:34 and read 41831 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 29):
Wow, I was expecting a bit more from this alliance.

There is more coming. JFK still has four unannounced routes.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: teme82
Posted 2010-10-06 07:38:37 and read 41489 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 26):

Chicago-Helsinki is the most surprising to me. The rest don't shock me at all.

It's simple hub to hub... And to add more pax for HEL-DEL  
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 28):
I do frequent Finland

I assume your trips are for work? Then there is some chance that you might have been in a taxi driven by me  

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: bombayhog
Posted 2010-10-06 07:40:03 and read 41338 times.

Quoting ChopChop767 (Reply 14):
I'm interested in the "increased opportunity to earn and redeem frequent flyer benefits". Does this finally mean that as an AA Frequent Flyer, I'll be able to earn miles on BA should I opt to use them?

Yes, it does. You must have missed all the news and discussion from the past week about this. As of Oct 1 AA and BA members can earn miles on either airline transatlantic, and BA now gives 100% miles on discount economy and gives elite bonus as well!

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: SANMAN66
Posted 2010-10-06 07:40:26 and read 41506 times.

Quoting EMB170 (Reply 16):
it's nice to see BA wants to come back to SAN. Question though: I thought BA had performance issues with SAN's short runways...I always thought that was why SAN was always a tag from PHX.

BA dropped the PHX tag and went nonstop in 2001, using a 777.

Quoting tootallsd (Reply 8):
Really happy to be seeing British back in San Diego.

You're not the only one!!  

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: UALWN
Posted 2010-10-06 07:42:39 and read 41232 times.

Quoting flflyguy (Reply 10):
"And we will increase service on New York JFK - Barcelona and Miami – Madrid."

Which I guess means no MIA-BCN non-stop for now...

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2010-10-06 07:45:06 and read 41298 times.

Quoting UALWN (Reply 34):
Quoting flflyguy (Reply 10):
"And we will increase service on New York JFK - Barcelona and Miami – Madrid."

Which I guess means no MIA-BCN non-stop for now...

As I had already mentioned to you, MIA-BCN was not going to be part of this announcement.

MIA-BCN is on the way, rest assured.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: goldenstate
Posted 2010-10-06 07:49:17 and read 40928 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 29):
I'm not sure a basket case "hub" at one end will off set AA's higher costs.

Agreed, which is why I'm not not clear on why everyone was expecting a big fireworks show.

Generally speaking, a network carrier that operates at a 15+% RASM disadvantage relative to industry average is not going to see a lot of opportunities for growth into new markets.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: SonomaFlyer
Posted 2010-10-06 07:49:30 and read 41182 times.

BA has a subfleet of IGW 777's which can operate from SAN to LHR non-stop. The flights will use T2 (West Terminal) at SAN.

This is great news for San Diego County and if this flight is successful, may encourage other non-stop European service as San Diego and Europe's economies recover.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: papatango
Posted 2010-10-06 07:49:53 and read 40940 times.

Quoting AA767400 (Thread starter):

With all the hype surrounding this announcement I'm just-------underwhelmed.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2010-10-06 07:50:16 and read 40875 times.

Quoting teme82 (Reply 31):

I assume your trips are for work? Then there is some chance that you might have been in a taxi driven by me

Both. I have a good friend in Oulu. I go about once a year.

Ive also traveled up there for some music festivals as well. Some of my favorite music is from Finland (gothic metal like HIM, Eternal Tears of Sorrow, Sentenced, Nightwish, For My Pain, Poisonblack, etc.).

Finland is one of my favorite countries in Europe so I jump at the chance to go there. So I may be making good use of this new flight.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2010-10-06 07:50:37 and read 40968 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 21):
Since AA operates MIA-MAD daily with the B763, perhaps IB will increase frequency on its daily MAD-MIA service.

The additional MIA-MAD flight will be operated by AA.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: teme82
Posted 2010-10-06 07:54:14 and read 40684 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 39):
Finland is one of my favorite countries in Europe so I jump at the chance to go there. So I may be making good use of this new flight.

Good to know that there is demand for ORD-HEL route =)

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: flyfree727
Posted 2010-10-06 07:56:18 and read 40649 times.

Quoting papatango (Reply 38):
With all the hype surrounding this announcement I'm just-------underwhelmed

Because?

As suggested this is the FIRST announcenment of a series of announcements expected this fall..

AA ORD

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2010-10-06 07:56:43 and read 40622 times.

Quoting teme82 (Reply 41):

Good to know that there is demand for ORD-HEL route =)

Well, I wont be filling but one seat per year (if that because I prefer connecting in Europe outbound, USA return).

Im really hoping this one sticks.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2010-10-06 07:57:56 and read 40749 times.

Quoting papatango (Reply 38):
Quoting AA767400 (Thread starter):

With all the hype surrounding this announcement I'm just-------underwhelmed.

The "hype" is surrounding a series of announcements that will be spread throughout the next few months.

Still at least four more AA routes to Europe on the way.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: B747forever
Posted 2010-10-06 07:59:14 and read 40539 times.

Quoting teme82 (Reply 7):
and it cuts the needs of stops when going to west-coast US.

Not really. One can fly HEL-JFK-west-coast.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 30):
There is more coming. JFK still has four unannounced routes.

When will those routes be announced?

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: UALWN
Posted 2010-10-06 08:02:08 and read 40384 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 35):
MIA-BCN is on the way, rest assured.

Well, I would imegine that beefing up JFK-BCN and MIA-MAD would take care of Spain in general, and BCN in particular, but you seem to have inside knowledge I don't have.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: teme82
Posted 2010-10-06 08:02:29 and read 40412 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 43):
I prefer connecting in Europe outbound

Finland is part of Europe  

If I'm not mistaken there is large numbers of immigrants from India living around Chicago. So they could use this route to get to DEL. Or even BOM if AY re-opens that route.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: sydaircargo
Posted 2010-10-06 08:05:23 and read 40399 times.

JFK-BUD AA

LAX-MAD IB

SAN-LHR BA

ORD-HEL AA[/quote]

thats it ? thats the big announcement ?

what about ORD-TXL/BBI ?
return of ORD-FRA or ORD-DUS?

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: teme82
Posted 2010-10-06 08:06:28 and read 40195 times.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 45):

Not really. One can fly HEL-JFK-west-coast.

Correct. But with ORD you have more flights to choose from and perhaps better connection times.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: dl767captain
Posted 2010-10-06 08:07:43 and read 40264 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 29):

LHR-SAN is alliances enabled now that AA and BA frequent miles can use/earn miles on eachother essentially opening the route to two airlines

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 37):

The 777 seems like the only option since I doubt they'll start with a 747.

Do we know when the SAN-LHR route will start? Or what aircraft they will actually use?

Now I wish I hadnt booked my LAX-LHR and could fly out of my home airport

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: SCL767
Posted 2010-10-06 08:12:16 and read 39947 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 40):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 21):
Since AA operates MIA-MAD daily with the B763, perhaps IB will increase frequency on its daily MAD-MIA service.

The additional MIA-MAD flight will be operated by AA.


That would be awesome to have up to three daily flights between MIA and MAD. Hopefully AA's second MIA-MAD service will provide quicker connections to flights at MAD that depart in the afternoon. I prefer to connect at Barajas over LHR any day!

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: SonomaFlyer
Posted 2010-10-06 08:13:11 and read 39882 times.

Quoting dl767captain (Reply 50):
Do we know when the SAN-LHR route will start? Or what aircraft they will actually use?

Now I wish I hadnt booked my LAX-LHR and could fly out of my home airport

The 744 doesn't have the safety margins to fly non-stop to LHR given the terrain beyond the runway. The IGW 777 is what they used before and has the power needed given the performance requirements and can carry much more cargo than the 763ER.

I suspect they will start the flight in the spring to give sufficient time for advance bookings to do their thing. The Christmas period is usually very busy but most folks have already booked their flights by now.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2010-10-06 08:13:19 and read 39830 times.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 45):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 30):
There is more coming. JFK still has four unannounced routes.

When will those routes be announced?

It's anybody's guess, but expect now through early January.

Quoting UALWN (Reply 46):
Well, I would imegine that beefing up JFK-BCN and MIA-MAD would take care of Spain in general, and BCN in particular, but you seem to have inside knowledge I don't have.

Correct, I do. Although its not like Miami-Barcelona is much of a secret. It's been publicly mentioned all over the Spanish media. It might very well be operated by an Iberia plane rather than American.

Quoting sydaircargo (Reply 48):
thats it ? thats the big announcement ?

That's today's announcement. Is "that it?" No.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: ssides
Posted 2010-10-06 08:34:48 and read 38753 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 26):
Chicago-Helsinki is the most surprising to me.

Me too. Although I'm very happy to see it, I'm not quite sure how it fits in with the BA/IB JV. Is this a route that AA might have launched anyway without ATI?

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: mcmax
Posted 2010-10-06 08:43:09 and read 38520 times.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Americ...sh-prnews-3809742093.html?x=0&.v=1

"American, British Airways and Iberia also announced four new routes beginning next Spring as a benefit of the new joint business. They are: New York JFK-Budapest and Chicago-Helsinki (operated by American Airlines), London Heathrow-San Diego (operated by British Airways) and Madrid-Los Angeles (operated by Iberia). American will also add additional frequencies from JFK to Barcelona and Miami to Madrid. Both also begin in Spring 2011."

The new press release out (with quotes from the LAX, ORD, JFK, SAN and MIA mayors) confirms additional JFK-BCN and additional MIA-MAD.

Now, I'm sitting here with my fingers crossed for the JFK announcements. And hopefully, systemwide double elite miles for between now and before Xmas!  

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: Frostbite
Posted 2010-10-06 08:46:14 and read 38365 times.

Latest AA press release confirms additional freqs on MIA-MAD and JFK-BCN. Still no confirmation on MIA-BCN but I'll take MAH's word that it is coming.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: United787
Posted 2010-10-06 08:56:55 and read 37837 times.

Congrats to AA on continuing to expand the benefits of OneWorld! I think they have a long way to go realize what Star Alliance and Sky Team have been doing for years but I think AA is finally headed in the right direction, hopefully this will help turn around their financial situation...

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: C767P
Posted 2010-10-06 09:00:55 and read 37768 times.

The LHR-SAN service is pretty exciting announcement. If Zoom was doing well with the route in 2008 I can’t see why BA can’t do well with the route now. I am interested to see if it is daily, or if they do like Zoom did with their schedule. Also interested to see what kind of equipment they use. I would think the 777 is likely, but I wonder if they would consider the 763ER?

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: bobnwa
Posted 2010-10-06 09:05:23 and read 37515 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 30):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 30):
There is more coming. JFK still has four unannounced routes.

When has AA officially said this?

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2010-10-06 09:07:22 and read 37614 times.

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 62):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 30):
There is more coming. JFK still has four unannounced routes.

When has AA officially said this?

To JFK station employees? Multiple times.

Notice how none of today's announced flying utilizes AA's still heavily underused fleet of 18 75Ls...

AA surely did not acquire a dozen well-timed JetBlue slots to fly JFK-ORF and JFK-FLL.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 60):
Quoting Frostbite (Reply 58):
Still no confirmation on MIA-BCN but I'll take MAH's word that it is coming.

This route is definitely coming, but it might be a wise decision to hold off for a few months since Spain's economy is still fragile.

There is also the fact that Iberia wants to operate this, and is using it (and general long-haul expansion from BCN) as leverage in pilot negotiations.

[Edited 2010-10-06 09:17:46]

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: jfklganyc
Posted 2010-10-06 09:07:57 and read 37431 times.

Wow! I feel like I am watching Clark Griswold light his Christmas House and seeing nothing happen.

I sure hope the 4 new routes from JFK are announced today, or something is announced at JFK today because this is totally underwhelming given the hype on here for the past several days.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: DFWEagle
Posted 2010-10-06 09:17:34 and read 37103 times.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 64):
Wow! I feel like I am watching Clark Griswold light his Christmas House and seeing nothing happen.

I sure hope the 4 new routes from JFK are announced today, or something is announced at JFK today because this is totally underwhelming given the hype on here for the past several days.

Is there an announcement scheduled at JFK for today??? Someone said Arpey would be there today but if he is in London then he can't be in two places at once!

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2010-10-06 09:19:57 and read 37134 times.

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 65):

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 64):
Wow! I feel like I am watching Clark Griswold light his Christmas House and seeing nothing happen.

I sure hope the 4 new routes from JFK are announced today, or something is announced at JFK today because this is totally underwhelming given the hype on here for the past several days.

Is there an announcement scheduled at JFK for today??? Someone said Arpey would be there today but if he is in London then he can't be in two places at once!

Rest assured you can be at Heathrow at 7AM and be in JFK by noon the same day. He's actually at JFK already, at an employee kick-off event.

That being said, for today, that's it for routes. More announcements will come through the fall.

[Edited 2010-10-06 09:23:57]

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: timberwolf24
Posted 2010-10-06 09:30:57 and read 36547 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 66):
More announcements will come through the fall.

Would any other announcement only involve JFK? Might we still see a route or two announced from ORD?

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: peanuts
Posted 2010-10-06 09:34:29 and read 36428 times.

LOL. It never fails! Expectations get driven up to unreasonable levels on a.net and when an announcement finally comes to the surface, people are "underwhelmed". Some of you make no sense to yourselves anymore!

I don't think OW needs any defending today. It is clear they will make announcements at their own pace, not the pace of armchair CEO's. I respect that very much. I think the real CEO's get a kick out of guys on a.net going cuckoo over pending unannounced plans.

It is clear this morning was just a tiny reveal of things to come. An Appetizer. Why start a fireworks show with the grand finale? Right?

I still fully expect a major ORD attitude shift by AA. They cannot just rely on their JFK hub for transatlantic flying from the northern half of the US. AA and OW will not hand over ORD to StarAlliance.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: crAAzy
Posted 2010-10-06 09:34:42 and read 36457 times.

ORD-HEL and JFK-BUD are great news for OW/AA flyers!

As mentioned above, these AA flights have now opened up a "new world" of connections to Eastern and Southern Europe without having to transfer in LHR->LGW or Madrid. Add to that a possible ORD/DFW-BER and JFK/MIA-VIE in another year or two and traveling to Eastern/Southern Europe on OW will be 100x easier than it's been in the past.

It's also going to be great to see AA add some new "dots" to it's route map in Europe, especially widebody service.


Finally, IMHO, I think the greatest news in the announcement today is that AA is recalling additional pilots and FAs!

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2010-10-06 09:42:36 and read 36291 times.

Quoting timberwolf24 (Reply 67):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 66):
More announcements will come through the fall.

Would any other announcement only involve JFK? Might we still see a route or two announced from ORD?

I think ORD might get one more route.

Note that none of today's announcement involve usage of AA's heavily under-utilized 75L fleet. ORD-BHX or ORD-GLA would not shock me whatsoever.

Let's take a look at the under-utilized 75L fleet.

Missing from the original PR was that MIA-MAD and JFK-BCN will go double-daily. I have a suspicion that this means both JFK-BCN flights will be 75Ls during the summer months - it throws nearly 75% more Y capacity will keeping J capacity flat. Plus, 75Ls don't have much trouble at all making the route during the more airplane-friendly summer winds.

Assuming I guess correctly about JFK-BCN becoming 75Ls, this would put the 18-strong 75L fleet at:

1xMIA-BSB
1xMIA-SSA-REC

2xBOS-LHR
1xBOS-CDG

1xORD-DUB
1xORD-MAN

1xJFK-CDG
2xJFK-BCN
1xJFK-BRU
1xJFK-MAD
1xJFK-MAN

Leaving five free frames - which goes perfectly in line with adding four more JFK routes and possibly another from ORD.

I also suspect that ORD-DUB 75L and one of the BOS-LHR 75Ls are a placeholder, and they will become a 763 again, as was the case this past summer. And, with ATI, I think ORD-MAN is a good 763 candidate. So that could mean up to eight unallocated 75Ls.

[Edited 2010-10-06 09:47:48]

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: jfk777
Posted 2010-10-06 09:52:17 and read 35702 times.

Quoting AA767400 (Thread starter):


JFK-BUD AA- good eastern European hub with helping Malev

LAX-MAD IB- should have happened years ago, once IB had a code share with Carnival Air via MIA. That IB A340-600 will look smart among all those Asia airlines

SAN-LHR BA- surprised since they quit not too long ago because of short runway and load limitations on 777's.

ORD-HEL-- AA- Where did this come from ? Russians traveling ? Helsinki needs more Atlantic flights since Finnair flies mostly east to every Asian city but only to JFK in the Americas.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2010-10-06 09:53:10 and read 35813 times.

Quoting crAAzy (Reply 69):

As mentioned above, these AA flights have now opened up a "new world" of connections to Eastern and Southern Europe without having to transfer in LHR->LGW or Madrid. Add to that a possible ORD/DFW-BER and JFK/MIA-VIE in another year or two and traveling to Eastern/Southern Europe on OW will be 100x easier than it's been in the past.

DFW is pretty well set for flights to Europe from OneWorld.

3 flights to LHR (a 744 on BA, a 777 from AA, and a 763 from AA)
1 flight to MAD (though an IB 340 might be better in peak times than an AA 763)
1 flight to FRA (AA 777)
1 flight to CDG (AA 763)

Thats about right for the market/hub size of DFW.

What DFW is lacking is another destination in Asia and more flights to Latin America.

Beyond that, we are pretty well set.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: AJMIA
Posted 2010-10-06 09:56:57 and read 35574 times.

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 65):
Is there an announcement scheduled at JFK for today??? Someone said Arpey would be there today but if he is in London then he can't be in two places at once!

They had an am event in London and a pm event in New York.

You never know. With JBA celebrations in all the hubs and all the CEO's at JFK they might have just saved some of the good news for events in the USA.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: Coronado990
Posted 2010-10-06 09:59:12 and read 35509 times.

It's celebration time! 7 years of waiting is finally over. BA from LHR-SAN is back and life is good!
Thank you!!! Thank you!!!! Thank you!!!

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2010-10-06 09:59:35 and read 35487 times.

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 74):

You never know. With JBA celebrations in all the hubs and all the CEO's at JFK they might have just saved some of the good news for events in the USA.

They have them in DFW and LAX too? I just heard about the ones in JFK, MIA, and ORD.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2010-10-06 10:01:07 and read 35489 times.

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 74):
They had an am event in London and a pm event in New York.

You never know. With JBA celebrations in all the hubs and all the CEO's at JFK they might have just saved some of the good news for events in the USA.

There isn't going to be anything else today,

Remember when CO and DL were going crazy on trans-Atlantic expansion during the mid-2000's? DL would announce everything in one huge PR and CO would spread announcements out throughout the fall, sometimes only a week apart, sometimes a month or more apart. So far, looks like AA is going to mimic CO.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 76):
They have them in DFW and LAX too? I just heard about the ones in JFK, MIA, and ORD.

That is all I am aware of. They will be the "cornerstone" trans-Atlantic hubs, but that should not come as a surprise.

Still, I am a little surprised that DFW is not getting the transferring passengers customer support team like MIA/ORD/JFK. It makes sense LAX is not, but the lack at DFW surprises me.

[Edited 2010-10-06 10:03:37]

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: SANMAN66
Posted 2010-10-06 10:06:43 and read 35095 times.

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 75):
It's celebration time! 7 years of waiting is finally over. BA from LHR-SAN is back and life is good!
Thank you!!! Thank you!!!! Thank you!!!

Where's SANFan in all this?

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: commavia
Posted 2010-10-06 10:10:31 and read 35037 times.

Here's something interesting:

http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/story/10881606/1/american-cfo-more-to-come-at-lax.html?cm_ven=YAHOO&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA

The interview with Horton features the same standard, nebulous, non-committal answer that one would expect, but it does talk about potential future growth at LAX.

"Los Angeles is the third most important travel market in the world," said American CFO Tom Horton, in an interview with TheStreet. "So we're looking hard at LAX -- there may be more to come."

[...]

It is not unreasonable to conclude that American will add domestic flights at Los Angeles in order to feed international flights, Horton acknowledged, although he declined to provide specifics.


Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 77):
It makes sense LAX is not, but the lack at DFW surprises me.

I think the key is that there's only really 1 inter- (as opposed to intra-) airline connection to be made each day at DFW, and that is between the single daily BA flight to LHR and all the DFW flights. You don't really need a huge connecting apparatus for just one inter-airline flight, when the vast majority of the connections are really intra-airline (i.e., intra-AA) anyway, and thus can just use the connecting system arleady in place. Contrast that with ORD, MIA and especially JFK, where there are tons of daily connections across the three airlines, not just almost all within AA.

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: AAtakeMeAway
Posted 2010-10-06 10:31:15 and read 34222 times.

I'm glad DFW-ICN wasn't announced. I like having KE at DFW  

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: abrelosojos
Posted 2010-10-06 10:33:48 and read 34051 times.

Quoting teme82 (Reply 31):

It's simple hub to hub... And to add more pax for HEL-DEL

= Given that AA AAlready flies ORD-DEL, I don't think most passengers would be willing to entertain an additional stop in HEL (no pun intended?). Moreover, AY's HEL connection needs to move to a daytime departure to make it competitive for US passengers beyond the lower yielding variety.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 35):

MIA-BCN is on the way, rest assured.

= Yup. Sources mention that the discussion is whose metal is most effective to fly it. The leaning is towards IB.

Saludos,
A.

PS: I thought that MAD-LAX was announced by IB at Routes in YVR?

Topic: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: AJMIA
Posted 2010-10-06 10:34:57 and read 33925 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 77):
Still, I am a little surprised that DFW is not getting the transferring passengers customer support team like MIA/ORD/JFK. It makes sense LAX is not, but the lack at DFW surprises me.



The initial key airports identified for JBA transfer centers were JFK, LHR, MIA & ORD.

The criteria used to select stations for transfer centers was the number of passengers connecting between the JBA partners and LHR, MIA & ORD were identified. JFK was not included included in the list based on the number of connecting passengers, but an administrative decision was made to place a transfer center there because it is such a high profile JBA station and hopefully there will be a big increase in connecting passengers.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: teme82
Posted 2010-10-06 10:46:11 and read 33510 times.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 77):
Given that AA AAlready flies ORD-DEL, I don't think most passengers would be willing to entertain an additional stop in HEL (no pun intended?). Moreover, AY's HEL connection needs to move to a daytime departure to make it competitive for US passengers beyond the lower yielding variety.

Yes I know that AA is doing ORD-DEL already but there is always the possibility to "steal" pax from others. And if they have Schengen VISA or US passport they can go and see Helsinki or surrounding areas. Why you may ask. Well they might want to relax after the ORD-HEL leg. There are plenty of places to be around HEL.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2010-10-06 10:47:32 and read 33548 times.

Quoting AA767400 (Thread starter):
SAN-LHR BA


I know SAN has a displaced threshold because of a multi-story parking garage across the street from the runway start. And can a trans-Atlantic plane take off from Lindbergh's short runway with a full fuel load?

How severe will weight restrictions have to be for safe takeoff and landing?

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2010-10-06 10:50:22 and read 33563 times.

Here is the proposed San Diego schedule.

BA273 LHR-SAN 1505-1815
BA272 SAN-LHR 2005-1425+1

Will be flown by the non-premium 777 fleet.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: C767P
Posted 2010-10-06 10:59:00 and read 33085 times.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 80):
And can a trans-Atlantic plane take off from Lindbergh's short runway with a full fuel load?

When Zoom flew it in 2008 they filled the passenger cabin. They didn’t take any cargo, but went with full loads.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: Coronado990
Posted 2010-10-06 11:11:02 and read 32646 times.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 80):
I know SAN has a displaced threshold because of a multi-story parking garage across the street from the runway start.



Not true. The parking garage was built almost 15 years after the displaced threshold, which was moved in 1971 due to the tree's in Balboa Park about 200 ft in elevation. At the same time, 700 ft of additional runway was added to the west end to make up for the new displaced threshold, which is basically useless for departing aircraft because of the hills of Point Loma. The parking garage was built up to the new glide slope I think around 1986. Still very, very stupid in my opinion.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: SurfandSnow
Posted 2010-10-06 11:14:52 and read 32475 times.

Very exciting, and while we knew something was coming, all of the guesses I saw on the on the other thread were way off!

Quoting AA767400 (Thread starter):
JFK-BUD AA

I realize this is a link between two oneworld hubs but it still comes as a big surprise IMO. Malev couldn't make this one work with all of the connectivity on the BUD end, and even when DL enjoyed a monopoly on it they still made it seasonal. I hope AA gives this one some time to catch on, because I highly doubt it will be a runaway success off the bat..

Quoting AA767400 (Thread starter):
LAX-MAD IB

No surprise here. We have been getting all kinds of new links beyond the traditional northern European hubs (LHR/CDG/FRA/AMS) lately - DXB, FCO, IST, and now MAD! This will be our only link to the Iberian peninsula - perfect for getting to Spain, Portugal, Morocco, and beyond! I'm sure it will do well.

Quoting AA767400 (Thread starter):
SAN-LHR BA

Southern California did very well today! SAN gets its long-haul back after all these years. BA will be the only foreign, non-Canadian airline at the airport! Now, they pulled out due to operation difficulties. Those issues remain. Why go back in now?

Quoting AA767400 (Thread starter):
ORD-HEL AA

This one makes tons of sense. Give American pax easy access to Russia, the Baltic states, and even the likes of Poland via an easy transit at HEL. Much better than resuming ORD-DME or starting ORD-WAW as some had suggested.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: jfk777
Posted 2010-10-06 11:14:58 and read 32569 times.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 81):

Here is the proposed San Diego schedule.

BA273 LHR-SAN 1505-1815
BA272 SAN-LHR 2005-1425+1

Will be flown by the non-premium 777 fleet.

Love some of the descriptions for BA 777's, since when is a non First Class airplane for BA " non-Premuim" ? This plane will have Club World, Y+ and Y. Virgin Atlantic planes have the same 3 clases and no one would call "Upper Class" non -premuim. Non-Premuim is Ryanair or Southwest.

Delta and Continental planes have J/Y with no F, Business Elite and Busines First are very premium.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: dl767captain
Posted 2010-10-06 11:17:06 and read 32428 times.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 81):
Here is the proposed San Diego schedule.

BA273 LHR-SAN 1505-1815
BA272 SAN-LHR 2005-1425+1

Will be flown by the non-premium 777 fleet.

Hmm that's interesting, I guess they figure they can fill the 777 with cheaper coach seats and have people upgrade to business or first (or just buy business or first)

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 74):
Where's SANFan in all this?

I was about to PM him i'm surprised he hasn't commented yet.

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 71):
It's celebration time! 7 years of waiting is finally over. BA from LHR-SAN is back and life is good!
Thank you!!! Thank you!!!! Thank you!!!

I know i'll be down there to get a picture of the first arrival.

I wonder if this is successful if it will start off other Europe routes. Maybe UA/LH could do SAN-FRA and AF/DL SAN-CDG (although I doubt we'll see any of those). It's going to be nice to see a 777 at SAN regularly, I was thinking we would have to wait for the 787 to finally get the SAN-LHR flight back. BA seems to have a sweet spot for SAN

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: IcelandairMSP
Posted 2010-10-06 11:20:23 and read 32228 times.

Quoting commavia (Reply 2):
Also heard from the press conference:

Arpey referenced that they are working on "exciting" preliminary designs for T8 at JFK with the PANYNJ and all parties hope to finalize a deal in 2011.

I'm curious about this. I'm assuming this is a reference to the final build-out of T8? I assumed they were simply going to mirror the terminal and complete the plans as they were before AA out the second half on hold. If we assume BA is going to move from T7 to T8 (and correct me if that isn't a safe assumption to make) does this mean we'll see some alterations to the T8 master plan?

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: commavia
Posted 2010-10-06 11:27:50 and read 32035 times.

Quoting IcelandairMSP (Reply 87):
I'm curious about this. I'm assuming this is a reference to the final build-out of T8? I assumed they were simply going to mirror the terminal and complete the plans as they were before AA out the second half on hold. If we assume BA is going to move from T7 to T8 (and correct me if that isn't a safe assumption to make) does this mean we'll see some alterations to the T8 master plan?

I don't think Arpey's comments give us any indication of what the designs might look like for a final build-out of T8, but yes, the entire context of that discussion at the press conference was about BA/IB moving to T8 and smoothing connections for passengers. Beyond that, I personally - would be very surprised - if T8 were built out in any way that differed substantially from the original plan. I think they will simply complete the north end of the main terminal and Concourse B, and basically just give that entire piece of the terminal to BA and its subtenants.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: C767P
Posted 2010-10-06 11:28:00 and read 32020 times.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 84):
Now, they pulled out due to operation difficulties. Those issues remain. Why go back in now?

I believe they pulled out because they could not fill the front cabin. My understanding is that many believe this is due to the fact that AA passengers couldn’t use miles or earn miles on BA on this route. That has now changed.

I also think the fact that Zoom was looking at increasing their London-SAN service when they ceased service says the route was doing well.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: laca773
Posted 2010-10-06 11:31:37 and read 31871 times.

Quoting AA767400 (Thread starter):

LAX-MAD IB

My theory was correct and everyone ignored me in the previous thread. Though I will say, I would have preferred AA to fly this route with a 763ER since IB service is so horrible.

Quoting EMB170 (Reply 16):

JFK-BUD...with MA gone from the TATL game, DL's had it all to themselves, so I could see AA's interest.

I'm going to be very interested to see how this does. Even though MA is apart of or will be in OneWorld, BUD is a weird market. If anything it will go seasonal since traffic drops sharply after the summer season.

I think DL has been able to keep it going as long as they have because their costs are definitely lower than AA's. AA definitely needs to get their costs down for some of these routes to work great or keep them operating..

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 77):


PS: I thought that MAD-LAX was announced by IB at Routes in YVR?

I thought it would have been, A, but I didn't see any mention of it in any of the reports.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: SANMAN66
Posted 2010-10-06 11:37:12 and read 31682 times.

Quoting C767P (Reply 89):
I believe they pulled out because they could not fill the front cabin. My understanding is that many believe this is due to the fact that AA passengers couldn’t use miles or earn miles on BA on this route. That has now changed.

Agreed. If it was operational issues, BA would have never announced the reinstatement of SAN-LHR.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: DeltaFFinDFW
Posted 2010-10-06 11:43:26 and read 31544 times.

Don't know if anyone saw this, but BA announced MIA-BCN in their press release for the SAN flight...

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Britis...es-New-pz-3360534402.html?x=0&.v=1



A total of five new routes were announced today that will start from next April as an early benefit of the new joint business. In addition to the British Airways operated San Diego-London route, they include: New York JFK-Budapest and Chicago-Helsinki (operated by American), Madrid-Los Angeles and Barcelona-Miami (operated by Iberia).

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: DFWEagle
Posted 2010-10-06 11:46:28 and read 31338 times.

Quoting DeltaFFinDFW (Reply 92):
Don't know if anyone saw this, but BA announced MIA-BCN in their press release for the SAN flight...

You're right! well spotted  

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: United787
Posted 2010-10-06 11:55:35 and read 31196 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 67):
1xJFK-CDG
1xJFK-MAD

I am surprised AA is using a 757 on these two routes...am I missing something here?

Does anyone think that ORD-BUD has a chance? I would think that the Malev connection opportunities to Eastern, Southeastern Europe & the Middle East would warrant a 763 for such a route because...

...the OneWorld one-stop connection opportunities to Europe from ORD are still limited to JFK, LHR, MAD and HEL...

...which is pale in comparison to Star Alliance with EWR, IAD, PHL, YYZ, FRA, MUC, BRU, ZRH, CPH, ARN, WAW, LHR, IST...

Of course this doesn't count AA's non-stop flights to CDG, MAN, BRU, FCO, DUB and UA's non-stop flights to CDG, FCO, AMS.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2010-10-06 12:10:00 and read 30587 times.

Quoting downtown273 (Reply 13):
Iberia's network to the US is rather poor and most pax in Spain need to fly via CDG/FRA/AMS to get to most places in the US.

Why do they have to fly via CDG/FRA/AMS? I'm sure IB carriers many passengers to dozens of US cities via their extensive code-shae connections at their 5 Us gateways with alliance partner AA.

Quoting EMB170 (Reply 16):
I thought BA had performance issues with SAN's short runways...I always thought that was why SAN was always a tag from PHX. Has BA figured out a solution for that?

SAN wasn't always a tag from PHX for BA. Initially it was a tag over LAX and in the latter period of service they operated nonstop with 772.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 85):
Love some of the descriptions for BA 777's, since when is a non First Class airplane for BA " non-Premuim" ?

For BA it's non-premium as they normally only operate longhaul aircraft without F class cabins to destinations with lower premium class demand (for example YUL in Canada).

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: FCO110
Posted 2010-10-06 12:11:47 and read 30502 times.

Will Hel provide the connections that used to be possible through BRU on SN ? Not sure what the route stucture is. I go a notice the other day that FF miles over the Atlantic can now be eraned on AA and BA! Finally.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: alitalia744
Posted 2010-10-06 12:12:38 and read 30432 times.

A bit of a letdown given all the hype piped up on this website...

Altho expansion of any order is fantastic news for an often troubled industry. Good on AA/BA and IB for beginning to maximize their partnership opportunities.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: SESGDL
Posted 2010-10-06 12:27:55 and read 30017 times.

Further disappoint by AA. While this announcement may only be one of many to come, none of these new routes is anything extraordinary or unexpected, ORD-HEL being the closest thing. With JFK-Europe announcement all presumably being 75Ls, there are no true innovative routes being announced. I certainly hope that something like ORD-HKG or even DFW-ICN is in the cards, because new routes to Europe simply to catch up with the likes of DL and UA isn't going to give AA any edge in the international market.

Jeremy

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: kiwiandrew
Posted 2010-10-06 12:31:57 and read 29808 times.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 98):
With JFK-Europe announcement all presumably being 75Ls,

I cannot imagine that JFK-BUD will be on a 757 , wouldn't it be too far ?

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: crAAzy
Posted 2010-10-06 12:42:38 and read 29419 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 94):
...the OneWorld one-stop connection opportunities to Europe from ORD are still limited to JFK, LHR, MAD and HEL...

Umm ... BOS, RDU, MIA, DFW

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: LONGisland89
Posted 2010-10-06 12:43:08 and read 29396 times.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 98):
Further disappoint by AA.
Quoting SESGDL (Reply 98):
none of these new routes is anything extraordinary or unexpected

Wow, some people on here are brutal. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2010-10-06 12:51:59 and read 29228 times.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 98):
I certainly hope that something like ORD-HKG or even DFW-ICN is in the cards

Ive been told that DFW-ICN is the next Asian route to be put into play. For some reason they still seem to be wishy washy on ORD-HKG. It should happen, but it might be 2012.

But I dont know if we will see any Asian expansion until JL ATI is in place.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: SonomaFlyer
Posted 2010-10-06 12:52:49 and read 29149 times.

BA/AA will want to fly cargo to LHR from SAN so the 763 isn't an option.

LONGisland89: The level of moaning from some of the folks on this site is pretty amusing.

People in the SAN area have wanted their LHR service to return for years. The other announcements make sense for the tripartite set up between AA, BA and IB. The codes tossed all over each other's service gives them the defacto position of a seamless airline experience.

It's true there are no "stunning" announcements but no one should really be expecting any tbh. All airlines will start to slowly expand but with the economy dicey, there won't be a route explosion anytime soon.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: abrelosojos
Posted 2010-10-06 12:53:33 and read 29156 times.

Quoting teme82 (Reply 79):

Yes I know that AA is doing ORD-DEL already but there is always the possibility to "steal" pax from others. And if they have Schengen VISA or US passport they can go and see Helsinki or surrounding areas. Why you may ask. Well they might want to relax after the ORD-HEL leg. There are plenty of places to be around HEL.

= Um, why would AA want to let AY "steal" its own passengers. Anyways, besides a very limited people, most want the shortest elapsed time between two points. AY gets a meaningless share of passengers right now on their JFK-HEL flight which continue on to DEL. This should not be the case if the HEL-DEL flight was well times as it is an extremely short flying distance vs. other points.

I see this ORD-HEL flight being more to develop markets from ORD to East Europe where AY brings a strong network.

Saludos,
A.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: COGlobeTrotter
Posted 2010-10-06 13:00:38 and read 28903 times.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 84):
Malev couldn't make this one work with all of the connectivity on the BUD end, and even when DL enjoyed a monopoly on it they still made it seasonal

This is the first year that DL is flying the route seasonally. With feed on both sides I believe AA has a better chance of operating this route year round than DL.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: teme82
Posted 2010-10-06 13:31:27 and read 27971 times.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 104):
Um, why would AA want to let AY "steal" its own passengers

Well i meant to steal from others not from AA. AI comes to mind. And what I've been told by AY cabin crew the HEL-DEL flights are rather full already. But there is always room for expansion if there will be demand. But yes AY got strong network with it's regional partners to the Baltic Countries, E-Europe and Russia. I think in general all that can fill 763ER rather well. If I'm not totally mistaken, I talked a chap last Jan on AY flight to LHR, there is demand just for the HEL-ORD route by Finnish and multinational companies.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2010-10-06 13:34:38 and read 27877 times.

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 83):
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 80):
I know SAN has a displaced threshold because of a multi-story parking garage across the street from the runway start.

Not true. The parking garage was built almost 15 years after the displaced threshold, which was moved in 1971 due to the tree's in Balboa Park about 200 ft in elevation. At the same time, 700 ft of additional runway was added to the west end to make up for the new displaced threshold, which is basically useless for departing aircraft because of the hills of Point Loma. The parking garage was built up to the new glide slope I think around 1986. Still very, very stupid in my opinion.

I'm not disputing history -- god knows I've driven up Laurel Street many times getting my car rentals back to Pacific Highway.

It was the TV program "The World's Most Dangerous Airports" -- or some such -- that put the parking garage issue at the center of the airport's problems. I've actually started using CLD rather than SAN because of that program (which is okay since my kin all live up the 15 in San Marcos).

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.  

[Edited 2010-10-06 13:47:14]

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: KrisYYZ
Posted 2010-10-06 13:43:45 and read 27660 times.

Quoting AA767400 (Thread starter):

JFK-BUD AA



Great news! MA currently code-shares with AA on numerous flight from European airports like FCO/BRU/FRA/ZRH etc to JFK/ORD/MIA, will this direct flight replace some of the abovementioned routes ? MA's regional network into CEE will offer some advantages to AA and OneWorld customers.

BUD has been on a mission to attracted long-haul flights and large carriers. I would guess that AA got a something in return for starting up ops. BUD's redevelopment is in progress, here is a link: http://www.bud.hu/english/bud_future

KrisYYZ

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: GlobalCabotage
Posted 2010-10-06 13:50:09 and read 27473 times.

I've given up on ORD-HKG. I think we will CX on the route before AA.

Also, with LAX-PVG, DFW-ICN (soon to happen), where will AA get the 777's to operate all of these routes? I'm sure they could better utilize the fleet, but this seems like a few more than AA has. I do recall on the thread or the other thread (AA Route....) that AA was going to pick up some 777s from a carrier in the middle east?

Interesting times!

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: C767P
Posted 2010-10-06 13:52:59 and read 27344 times.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 107):
that put the parking garage issue at the center of the airport's problems.

If that were the case they would tare down the parking ramp. It is not the parking ramp, but as mentioned before the terrain further to the east that causes issues for the airport.

I wonder if BA would look at selling packages with cruise lines?

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: SANMAN66
Posted 2010-10-06 13:55:03 and read 27326 times.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 107):
It was the TV program "The World's Most Dangerous Airports" -- or some such -- that put the parking garage issue at the center of the airport's problems.

That parking garage is mostly folklore. That parking garage would have never been built without the FAA having
a say in the matter. The FAA would have blocked construction of it if was causing a major obstruction to SAN's
runway.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: Seatback
Posted 2010-10-06 14:01:04 and read 27130 times.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 84):
This one makes tons of sense. Give American pax easy access to Russia, the Baltic states, and even the likes of Poland via an easy transit at HEL. Much better than resuming ORD-DME or starting ORD-WAW as some had suggested.

Shouldn't we assume that with S7 coming online that AA will be back in Moscow either from ORD or JFK (at some point)?

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2010-10-06 14:08:23 and read 27047 times.

Quoting GlobalCabotage (Reply 109):
Also, with LAX-PVG, DFW-ICN (soon to happen), where will AA get the 777's to operate all of these routes?

AA has five unused 772 based on the summer 2009 schedule.

Five 772s can be scheduled to operate three new routes to Asia (or two to Asia/one to Europe) since each route is 1.5 planes.

JFK-HND and LAX-PVG have been announced, so there is still room for one more long-haul using a 772.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2010-10-06 14:17:19 and read 26664 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 113):
AA has five unused 772 based on the summer 2009 schedule.

Five 772s can be scheduled to operate three new routes to Asia (or two to Asia/one to Europe) since each route is 1.5 planes.

JFK-HND and LAX-PVG have been announced, so there is still room for one more long-haul using a 772.

Were any routes upgraded in summer 2009 that could be downgraded to a 763? I seem to recall ORD-BRU was one. Wasnt there another?

Basing it off the summer 2010 schedule, DFW-CDG/MAD could always remain 763's (as Im sure they will this summer). DFW-EZE could easily be a 763 in the Northern Summer (though it does well in the Southern Summer with a 777).

I cant imagine that another European route needs a 777. The LHR routes and DFW-FRA are the only routes that demand a 777.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: GlobalCabotage
Posted 2010-10-06 14:18:43 and read 26629 times.

AA in DME would be via JFK. S7 my give ORD a shot some day.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2010-10-06 14:19:04 and read 26694 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 114):
Were any routes upgraded in summer 2009 that could be downgraded to a 763? I seem to recall ORD-BRU was one. Wasnt there another?

I actually meant based off the summer 2010 schedule, sorry.

In summer 2009 ORD-BRU/MIA-MAD had 772s, compared to DFW-CDG/DFW-MAD in 2010.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2010-10-06 14:22:07 and read 26524 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 116):

I actually meant based off the summer 2010 schedule, sorry.

In summer 2009 ORD-BRU/MIA-MAD had 772s, compared to DFW-CDG/DFW-MAD in 2010.

So if based off of the 2010 summer schedule, there were 5 unused 777's, would that mean there could be 7 unused 777's if they took them off of the above routes which were obviously fillers?

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2010-10-06 14:32:17 and read 26287 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 117):
So if based off of the 2010 summer schedule, there were 5 unused 777's, would that mean there could be 7 unused 777's if they took them off of the above routes which were obviously fillers?

Yes, but these frames are then moved to South America in the winter. So operating them year-round to Asia would sacrifice important premium capacity to South America in the winter. Obviously, that is something AA can/might do, but it will certainly play an important role in deciding how to utilize the fleet.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: andaman
Posted 2010-10-06 14:42:20 and read 26013 times.

Cool to get AA 763 in HEL, though AY's 333/343 would had provided better seat pitch and AVOD... but great news anyway!  Wink

[Edited 2010-10-06 15:15:08]

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: Talaier
Posted 2010-10-06 15:06:42 and read 25434 times.

Quoting cybergus (Reply 27):
Which aircraft will they use? A343? A346? or the so long rumored A330?

My take is one of the premium config 343s and then eventually a 346 during the summer months (June/July/August)

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 40):
The additional MIA-MAD flight will be operated by AA.

Makes sense, IB needs its extra planes to fill in the new routes. That makes the MAD-MIA route a 3x route, almost on par with JFK.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 67):
Leaving five free frames - which goes perfectly in line with adding four more JFK routes and possibly another from ORD.

Maybe we could see some 763s on the European routes? I'm inclined to see MAD-BOS and MAD-IAD shift to an AA 752, with IB taking over DFW.

Quoting andaman (Reply 119):
Cool to get AA in HEL, though AY's A333 with AVOD and a better seat pitch would had been more tempting on the route than AA B763ER... but good news anyway

Well, those 333s make more sense in Asia, which is AY's core market rather than the US where on-board service is subpar compared to that of leading Asian carriers.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2010-10-06 15:26:29 and read 25110 times.

Quoting Talaier (Reply 120):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 40):
The additional MIA-MAD flight will be operated by AA.

Makes sense, IB needs its extra planes to fill in the new routes. That makes the MAD-MIA route a 3x route, almost on par with JFK.

It will actually operate 24x a week - 2x AA 763; 7x IB 346; 3x IB 343.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: United787
Posted 2010-10-06 16:22:03 and read 23960 times.

Quoting crAAzy (Reply 100):
Umm ... BOS, RDU, MIA, DFW

Sure, you can connect to Europe through BOS, RDU and MIA but to any destinations beyond what you can already get to non-stop from ORD? And MIA and DFW are the opposite direction of Europe...

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: akizidy214
Posted 2010-10-06 16:28:08 and read 23870 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 69):
DFW is pretty well set for flights to Europe from OneWorld.

Return DFW-ZRH... on the 767 and then DFW is complete...

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 113):
AA has five unused 772 based on the summer 2009 schedule.

I still don't see where AA can expand much with its current fleet... possibly 2 more routes with the T7 other then that AA likes to keep a plane down for mtx and as required a spare...

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2010-10-06 16:30:15 and read 23893 times.

Quoting akizidy214 (Reply 123):
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 69):
DFW is pretty well set for flights to Europe from OneWorld.

Return DFW-ZRH... on the 767 and then DFW is complete...

There is no local market.

DFW is complete with what it has. Summer service to Rome is really the only thing that would not surprise me.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2010-10-06 16:51:22 and read 23479 times.

Per LAWA, the new Iberia Madrid service will be 4x weekly.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: ORDFan
Posted 2010-10-06 17:02:37 and read 23254 times.

Will be curious to see how ORD-HEL does; personally, was hoping to see ORD-GVA instead...

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: CALPSAFltSkeds
Posted 2010-10-06 17:19:54 and read 23103 times.

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 83):
The parking garage was built up to the new glide slope I think around 1986. Still very, very stupid in my opinion.

I guess glide slope could be a correct term, but it usually is interpreted as indicating that RW 27 has an ILS. It does not.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 107):
Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 83):
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 80):
I know SAN has a displaced threshold because of a multi-story parking garage across the street from the runway start.

Not true. The parking garage was built almost 15 years after the displaced threshold, which was moved in 1971 due to the tree's in Balboa Park about 200 ft in elevation. At the same time, 700 ft of additional runway was added to the west end to make up for the new displaced threshold, which is basically useless for departing aircraft because of the hills of Point Loma. The parking garage was built up to the new glide slope I think around 1986. Still very, very stupid in my opinion.

I believe you both may be correct. If I remember correctly either the displaced threshold was moved further west after the garage was built OR the approach was modified to have aircraft come in at a higher angle. I do remember that after the garage was built, the approach at that time with a 747 would have had the wheels go onto the top deck of the garage, thus a change was made.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2010-10-06 17:26:10 and read 23039 times.

Quoting ORDFan (Reply 126):
Will be curious to see how ORD-HEL does

It is apparently summer-only.

Kind of makes me think if AA/AY will then try their hand again at MIA-HEL during the winter months...

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: WROORD
Posted 2010-10-06 17:51:45 and read 22550 times.

Quoting teme82 (Reply 22):
I think that ORD-HEL could be year around service. Mostly because it's hub-to-hub. You can connect from ORD to the west-coast destinations and from HEL to Eastern Europe and the Baltic states

AY currently does not provide much service to that region, at least not as much as LH and OS so not much support for the connecting traffic.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 44):
The "hype" is surrounding a series of announcements that will be spread throughout the next few months.

Still at least four more AA routes to Europe on the way.

Hopefully, because those measly four routes of each only two are actually flown by AA look very weak and disappointing at this time.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: SANFan
Posted 2010-10-06 23:15:06 and read 19226 times.

Quoting tootallsd (Reply 8):
Really happy to be seeing British back in San Diego

   Dear Speedbird, see you next year!

Quoting papatango (Reply 38):
With all the hype surrounding this announcement I'm just-------underwhelmed

Maybe you are underwhelmed my friend (and I'm sorry for you) but some of us are thrilled to death with today's announcements!

For example:
Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 71):
It's celebration time! 7 years of waiting is finally over. BA from LHR-SAN is back and life is good!
Thank you!!! Thank you!!!! Thank you!!!


...
Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 74):
Where's SANFan in all this?

Hey L! Been traveling on the road for a couple of days... I can't believe I missed this announcement when it happened!!!!! Believe me, I will be making up for lost time for the next few days~

I saw the other thread first and posted there before finding this one. Wonderful, fantastic news! Thank you British Airways, thank you HB and the team at the SDIA/SDCRAA, and thank you JH and Zoom for your help in keeping the dream alive!

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 84):
Southern California did very well today! SAN gets its long-haul back after all these years. Now, they pulled out due to operation difficulties. Those issues remain. Why go back in now?

Already addressed and does not warrant any further discussion. Seems very simple to me: BA would not be back if there were major issues at SAN and if the market did not exist. Period.

bb

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: dfw11
Posted 2010-10-06 23:48:31 and read 18893 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 130):
Maybe you are underwhelmed my friend (and I'm sorry for you) but some of us are thrilled to death with today's announcements!

Heck, Almost any new news is good news from AA! I kinda expected Helsinki to be year round but oh well.... come on DFW-INC!

Hopefully this ATI will kick AA in the butt and start makin up for lost time in the industry.

Good day for OW

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: brightcedars
Posted 2010-10-07 01:02:23 and read 18290 times.

From where are they getting the hardware?

It would be interesting to see whether AA actually keep both JFK and ORD operations at BRU. In the short time they might but I hear in the long run that strong Star Alliance cooperation between SN on one side and CO, UA, US on the other will start biting sooner than later.

If and when SN start the rumored BRU-JFK (possibly as early as S11?) might be a turning point.

Happy to see a oneworld direct transatlantic connection between BUD and JFK!

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: teme82
Posted 2010-10-07 01:15:34 and read 18164 times.

Quoting WROORD (Reply 129):
AY currently does not provide much service to that region, at least not as much as LH and OS so not much support for the connecting traffic.

Are you sure ? They do have lights on their own and from their regional partners to destinations in the Baltics and E-Europe.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 128):
It is apparently summer-only.

Kind of makes me think if AA/AY will then try their hand again at MIA-HEL during the winter months.

Where you found this?

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: DLBOIFIN
Posted 2010-10-07 03:54:33 and read 17209 times.

Quoting teme82 (Reply 133):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 128):
It is apparently summer-only.

Kind of makes me think if AA/AY will then try their hand again at MIA-HEL during the winter months.

Where you found this?

I have the same question, is it stated somewhere that HEL-ORD will be only seasonal service?

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: laca773
Posted 2010-10-07 04:00:10 and read 17184 times.

Quoting COGlobeTrotter (Reply 105):

This is the first year that DL is flying the route seasonally. With feed on both sides I believe AA has a better chance of operating this route year round than DL.

I don't think so. MA has a rather small network from BUD. Isn't MA also going to just be a affiliate in OneWorld vs full member?

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: SCL767
Posted 2010-10-07 04:17:49 and read 17047 times.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 135):
I don't think so. MA has a rather small network from BUD. Isn't MA also going to just be a affiliate in OneWorld vs full member?

MA is a full member of oneworld and operates into 50+ cities. For example, MA operates into AMM, ATH, BEY, DAM, HEL, IST, KPB, LCA, LED, MAD, OTP, SOF, SVO, TLV, VAR, ZAG, etc.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: runway23
Posted 2010-10-07 04:34:10 and read 16841 times.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 135):
I don't think so. MA has a rather small network from BUD. Isn't MA also going to just be a affiliate in OneWorld vs full member?

Why do you say going to? They are a full fledged member of oneworld for a number of years now.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: realsim
Posted 2010-10-07 06:13:06 and read 16391 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 29):
Wow, I was expecting a bit more from this alliance.
Quoting papatango (Reply 38):
With all the hype surrounding this announcement I'm just-------underwhelmed.
Quoting sydaircargo (Reply 48):
thats it ? thats the big announcement ?
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 61):
Wow! I feel like I am watching Clark Griswold light his Christmas House and seeing nothing happen.
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 61):
this is totally underwhelming given the hype on here for the past several days.
Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 97):
A bit of a letdown given all the hype piped up on this website...
Quoting SESGDL (Reply 98):
Further disappoint by AA. While this announcement may only be one of many to come, none of these new routes is anything extraordinary or unexpected, ORD-HEL being the closest thing.

     

In just one day, AA has announced 2 new TATL routes to 2 new destinations. That alone is exciting. In the recent past, AA did not launch any new European destination (all were already served cities but from other hubs). So what did you expect? Personally, I think it gives more credit to AA to announce this 2 new destinations than a JFK-AMS or JFK-FRA route, which can be announced in a separate press release and will mean almost nothing given that this route is already flown by several carriers.

In my opinion, the routes announced in yesterday's press release were only symbolic: to launch the ATI with 2 new routes from each party involved in the JV (2 for AA, 2 for BA/IB). Moreover, AY (HEL) is part of the ATI. And remember that the new routes were only announced in a paragraph on the article, so that was not the main point of yesterday's announcement.

I'm sure more will come. But from a commercial point of view, it is better to release one announcement every week than 2 announcements in one week, because that gives you a continued presence in the medias. If you expected that AA announced in a single press release that they will acquire more aircraft (they will need it for sure if they want to grow more than 2-3 routes) and will fly to FRA, AMS, TXL, ICN and HKG, then you were wrong. An announcement of new routes to Asia made no sense yesterday (it was the European JV launch ceremony). And the announcement of routes of the like of JFK-FRA would have been less important, as AA should be supposed to fly such an important route from long time ago.

I don't know why, in this forum I have the impression that, whatever AA does, if it's done by AA it's always wrong or not enough.

Just a last note, from a Spanish point of view, the launch of MAD-LAX is really exciting as we had no link to the west coast from Spain.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 67):
Leaving five free frames - which goes perfectly in line with adding four more JFK routes and possibly another from ORD.

Remember that AA could replace IB in IAD-MAD and BOS-MAD, and for sure both routes would be on 75L.

[Edited 2010-10-07 06:16:52]

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: bobnwa
Posted 2010-10-07 06:13:16 and read 16350 times.

To quote William Shakespeare, "much adieu about nothing" at least i think he said ,be made by such and such carrier on a given date. Too often it turns out to be a non event or a marginal event. Evidence of this would be the frequent big announcements shortly coming from Air Tran which never seems to happen. While the big announcement from AA is not in that category it is very close to being a ho hummer.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: KrisYYZ
Posted 2010-10-07 06:58:33 and read 16176 times.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 135):
MA has a rather small network from BUD. Isn't MA also going to just be a affiliate in OneWorld vs full member?

MA has been a full member of OneWorld since March 2007. Their regional network offers a handful of destinations that are not served by any other OneWorld airline. About 70% of pax on MA's old BUD-JFK and YYZ flights transferred through BUD to other CEE destinations so AA may very well feed into MA's regional network.

KrisYYZ

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: ckfred
Posted 2010-10-07 10:29:04 and read 15678 times.

Quoting commavia (Reply 88):
I don't think Arpey's comments give us any indication of what the designs might look like for a final build-out of T8, but yes, the entire context of that discussion at the press conference was about BA/IB moving to T8 and smoothing connections for passengers.

Considering that AA and BA are going to coordinate the ORD-LHR schedule, and potentially add more ORD depatures to other cities in the U.K., when is AA going to sublet some of the old gates on L at ORD that DL stopped using after the NW merger?

If there is to be full coordination, then AA needs to have BA depatures out of T3. If a flight scheduled into ORD doesn't allow for enough time to connect for an AA departure to LHR out of T3, people might prefer to wait to the next AA departure, rather than taking the tram to T5 and reclearing security.

Move BA departures to T3, and then everyone has an easier time connecting for the U.K.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: Mortyman
Posted 2010-10-07 10:48:49 and read 15616 times.

Rumour has it that AA is considering OSL. Keep hearing it in the media here in Norway...

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: kiwiandrew
Posted 2010-10-07 11:09:20 and read 15432 times.

I am neither under nor overwhelmed , but to those who say they are underwhelmed , may I ask what you were expecting ? An announcement of 40 new transAtlantic routes overnight ?

What I do find particularly interesting is that, considering these routes were announced at the launch of the AA/BA/IB new relationship, neither of the new AA metal routes announced actually go to LHR or MAD but rather to the hubs of other European OW carriers , it just seems a little bit odd to me .( I guess it doesn't seem odd to anyone else since a quick scan of the replies doesn't seem to show any mention of this by anyone else )

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: GlobalCabotage
Posted 2010-10-07 11:41:22 and read 15328 times.

BA and JL will move departures at ORD to T3 in spring 2011. Now if someone just had an idea of what the schedule will look like. I guess we will know after all the "announcements" are make over the next few months.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: crAAzy
Posted 2010-10-07 12:30:34 and read 15156 times.

Quoting GlobalCabotage (Reply 144):
BA and JL will move departures at ORD to T3 in spring 2011. Now if someone just had an idea of what the schedule will look like. I guess we will know after all the "announcements" are make over the next few months.

Interesting - although it seems like AA mainline gates at ORD are getting tighter and tighter. Wonder if getting BA and JL over to T3 might give AA some additional leverage in picking up more of those empty DL gates in the L concourse.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: MQTmxguy
Posted 2010-10-08 02:15:30 and read 14342 times.

Possibly stupid question...

With the 772, 763, and 75L fleets already highly utilized (with additional flying to come) is there any chance that AA would consider using some 762s for further expansion? Or what about new-build 767s? The 763 is gonna be around for a while (so why not pick up a few more if needed?), and I could see a place for the 764 on some of the heavier TATL routes like LHR or BRU. I'm sure Boeing would be happy to cut a sweet deal.

[Edited 2010-10-08 02:17:33]

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2010-10-08 09:08:27 and read 13948 times.

Quoting crAAzy (Reply 145):
Wonder if getting BA and JL over to T3 might give AA some additional leverage in picking up more of those empty DL gates in the L concourse.

There's no reason BA couldn't become a signatory carrier on a gate on L.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: commavia
Posted 2010-10-08 09:18:25 and read 13926 times.

Quoting MQTmxguy (Reply 146):
With the 772, 763, and 75L fleets already highly utilized

They're not that highly utilized. Both the 777 and 763 fleets have significant spare capacity right now and/or capacity that is being deployed in markets that don't operationally require that airplane (i.e., another plane could handle the route just fine from a technical perspective). For the 75L fleet - it's even more pronounced. Over 1/3 of that fleet is being used today for markets where that airplane was not designed to fly (i.e., Costa Rica, Fort Lauderdale, etc.).

Quoting MQTmxguy (Reply 146):
is there any chance that AA would consider using some 762s for further expansion?

Not likely.

The 762 fleet is small and already fully utilized on the JFK-LAX/SFO flights plus the other occasional JFK turn to MIA, BDA, somewhere in the Caribbean, etc. Most of that fleet was parked and mothballed after 9/11, and almost certainly won't be coming back.

Quoting MQTmxguy (Reply 146):
Or what about new-build 767s?

Doubt it - they're not going to spend (or take on debt for) hundreds of millions in order to buy new 767s when new 787s are going to be arriving in less than five years.

Quoting MQTmxguy (Reply 146):
The 763 is gonna be around for a while (so why not pick up a few more if needed?), and I could see a place for the 764 on some of the heavier TATL routes like LHR or BRU. I'm sure Boeing would be happy to cut a sweet deal.

Again - why waste the time and money when 787s will be here soon? They can squeeze more utilization out of the existing fleet as it is for the next few years. Plus, no need to take on another non-standard subfleet (764s) for a small handfull of markets where it may or may not be useful.

More likely, what I suspect will happen is that as 787s begin arriving, there will be shifting among current 777 and 763 routes, and a flow-down of 763s no doing international flying that will go to replace the 762s on premium transcons (in a low-density 3-class layout) and more capacity to Latin America/Caribbean (in a high-density 2-class layout).

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: bobnwa
Posted 2010-10-08 09:34:54 and read 13800 times.

Quoting commavia (Reply 148):
Again - why waste the time and money when 787s will be here soon?

AA still hasn't officially ordered the 787 yet have they?

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: ssides
Posted 2010-10-08 09:53:39 and read 13748 times.

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 149):
AA still hasn't officially ordered the 787 yet have they?

Yes, AA has 42 firm orders for the 787.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2010-10-08 10:03:33 and read 13763 times.

The AA 787 orders are not firm, and subject to reconfirmation by the carrier.

The agreement hinges on American reaching a "satisfactory agreement with its pilots union to operate the aircraft", the carrier explains". If management and pilots do not reach a favourable deal, AMR can refuse to accept some or none of the aircraft.
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-order-from-american-airlines.html

More specifically from AA SEC filings.

Order rights may be exercised until May 1, 2013, provided that those rights will terminate earlier if American reaches a collective bargaining agreement with its pilot union that includes provisions enabling American to utilize the 787-9 to American's satisfaction in the operations desired by American.

While there can be no assurances, American expects to have reached an agreement as described above with its pilots union prior to the first notification date. In either of those events, American would become obligated to purchase all of the initial 42 aircraft then subject to the purchase agreement. If neither of those events occur prior to May 1, 2013, then on that date American may elect to purchase all of the initial 42 aircraft then subject to the purchase agreement, and if it does not elect to do so, the purchase agreement will terminate in its entirety.


Even Boeing does not list them yet.
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: JAAlbert
Posted 2010-10-08 20:40:59 and read 13314 times.

SAN - LHR!!!!! San Diego folks!
It's like 'Horton Hears a Who!" -- We're Alive here in 'lil San Diego! -- And a city is a city no matter how small.

And a 777! -- In SAN! -- It's a widebody! -- And it carries people, not FedEx boxes!

Whoever stated he/she is underwhelmed obviously doesn't live at the end of a dirt road like we do here in SAN. (It is pretty at the end of the road, but we're at the end nonetheless).

I have always enjoyed flying BA -- to me, getting on one of BA's planes at LAX has always told me I'm starting an adventure.

So when, when, when do the flights start??? I'm doing laundry now to ensure I'm ready when that first plane lands.

Now, wouldn't it have been cool if AA had announced SAN-LHR?

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: JQflightie
Posted 2010-10-08 22:20:14 and read 13147 times.

Quoting miami1 (Reply 11):

watch this space   thats all i can say at the minute.... you'll see QF boom very soon  
the are already taking some JQ flying back!
Rumour is first 787 is off to Dallas Fotrworth 

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: dl767captain
Posted 2010-10-08 23:42:00 and read 13016 times.

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 152):

June 1st is apparently the scheduled date. It's bookable through orbitz right now. As for an AA flight. It might have been cool to see them trade off every other day between AA and BA

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: SANFan
Posted 2010-10-09 04:18:04 and read 12752 times.

I've seen a bit of talk about next summer's BA schedules, questioning their current accuracy on the website and I have a question.

While looking at the route map (on BA.com) and clicking on San Diego (and its new red route line to Heathrow!) I see a tag appear at the top of the map that states, "The San Diego to London Heathrow route will commence on 27 March 2011." I have also heard June 1, 2011 stated many times as the start date, and currently the flights between SAN and LHR don't show up on the online schedule until June 1, but if those schedules are not yet complete or correct.....

Bottom line: is there anyone with BA who can confirm definitively the commencement date for SAN-LHR? (I and several others here in San Diego want to mark our calendars for a trip to Lindbergh Field on that day -- whenever it is!)

Thank you in advance.

bb

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: SANMAN66
Posted 2010-10-09 07:49:50 and read 12449 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 155):
While looking at the route map (on BA.com) and clicking on San Diego (and its new red route line to Heathrow!) I see a tag appear at the top of the map that states, "The San Diego to London Heathrow route will commence on 27 March 2011."

I saw that too. I punched it up on the website, and the flight that came up is the morning AA flight
from SAN to JFK that connects to an LHR flight through JFK.(codeshare) The BA SAN-LHR flight does indeed show
up June 1, 2011.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: SANFan
Posted 2010-10-09 15:31:51 and read 11926 times.

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 156):
I saw that too. I punched it up on the website, and the flight that came up is the morning AA flight from SAN to JFK that connects to an LHR flight through JFK.(codeshare) The BA SAN-LHR flight does indeed show up June 1, 2011

We'll see if someone can confrim one date of the other, L.

I was thinking, from now (when the SAN-LHR route announcement was made) until June 1 is just about 9 months. Even for an intl route, that's a lot of lead time. From now until the end of March is about 6 months which I think is a more typical lead time. And I do feel that BA would be losing out on 2 good months of potential traffic between SAN and LON if they don't start in late March of early April....

Finally, the last re-start of SAN-service by BA was on 3-25-2001 (that was daily T7 n/s service to Gatwick.)

bb

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: 777STL
Posted 2010-10-09 16:45:02 and read 11784 times.

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 153):
Rumour is first 787 is off to Dallas Fotrworth

I think that rumor has been around ever since QF ordered the '87.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: b737100
Posted 2010-10-10 01:35:26 and read 11533 times.

Will AA handle counter/gate/ramp functions for BA in SAN or will BA have their own ticket counter staff? Last time BA counter staff were outsourced to Hallmark. The same could be asked of the HEL operation..AY handles the entire operation?

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: teme82
Posted 2010-10-10 10:00:50 and read 11144 times.

Quoting b737100 (Reply 160):
The same could be asked of the HEL operation..AY handles the entire operation?

I think that AY have some part in AA's HEL ops... Since AY no longer have own ground crew I think the operator will be Airpro, not 100% sure about that.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: akizidy214
Posted 2010-10-10 10:23:58 and read 11069 times.

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 153):
Rumour is first 787 is off to Dallas Fotrworth 

Seems to me that the only a/c that will be able to make that routing is the 777LR... especially on the DFW-SYD routing.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: DLBOIFIN
Posted 2010-10-10 12:06:48 and read 10837 times.

Quoting teme82 (Reply 161):
I think that AY have some part in AA's HEL ops... Since AY no longer have own ground crew I think the operator will be Airpro, not 100% sure about that.

I think Northport will be more likely the ground handler for AA in HEL as it is 100% owned by AY.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: DFWEagle
Posted 2010-10-24 03:15:20 and read 10005 times.

The schedules for the new ORD-HEL and JFK-BUD flights are finally uploaded for booking. Both will be operated with 763ER equipment.

New York JFK - Budapest
AA158 JFK 1845 BUD 0930+ 763 daily
AA159 BUD 1155 JFK 1540 763 daily

Chicago – Helsinki
AA84 ORD 1535 HEL 0830+ 763 daily
AA83 HEL 1410 ORD 1535 763 daily

Also, the second daily flights on JFK-BCN and MIA-MAD are also uploaded. Both JFK-BCN flights and both MIA-MAD flights are 763’s.

New York JFK – Barcelona
AA66 JFK 1725 BCN 0710+ 763 daily
AA152 JFK 2050 BCN 1025+ 763 daily
AA67 BCN 1025 JFK 1310 763 daily
AA151 BCN 1240 JFK 1525 763 daily

Miami – Madrid
AA68 MIA 1810 MAD 0845+ 763 daily
AA52 MIA 2005 MAD 1050+ 763 daily
AA69 MAD 1110 MIA 1430 763 daily
AA53 MAD 1300 MIA 1625 763 daily

[Edited 2010-10-24 03:17:36]

[Edited 2010-10-24 03:36:08]

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: SCL767
Posted 2010-10-24 03:22:15 and read 9980 times.

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 163):
Miami – Madrid
AA68 MIA 1810 MAD 0845 763 daily
AA52 MIA 2005 MAD 1050 763 daily
AA69 MAD 1110 MIA 1430 763 daily
AA53 MAD 1300 MIA 1625 763 daily

This is awesome news for MIA! It's great to see AA finally adding more MIA-Europe flights. MAD is a very convenient airport to connect through IMO.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: commavia
Posted 2010-10-24 06:17:58 and read 9642 times.

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 163):
New York JFK - Budapest
AA158 JFK 1845 BUD 0930+ 763 daily
AA159 BUD 1155 JFK 1540 763 daily

Chicago – Helsinki
AA84 ORD 1535 HEL 0830+ 763 daily
AA83 HEL 1410 ORD 1535 763 daily

Interesting that JFK-BUD got the recently-used ORD-DME flight numbers, and especially that ORD-HEL got the long-standing (decades) ORD-FRA flight numbers.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: EMB170
Posted 2010-10-24 13:52:46 and read 9036 times.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 147):
There's no reason BA couldn't become a signatory carrier on a gate on L.

IIRC, wasn't one reason BA hasn't moved in ORD because they operate their own Terraces lounge in T5? Would there be enough room for them to open up a new lounge in T3 (possibly the old Delta Crown Room) if they moved?

Quoting commavia (Reply 165):
Interesting that JFK-BUD got the recently-used ORD-DME flight numbers, and especially that ORD-HEL got the long-standing (decades) ORD-FRA flight numbers.

Agreed. I would have expected to see ORD-HEL get AA 80/81 (the old ORD-ARN flight numbers).

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: DLBOIFIN
Posted 2010-10-24 14:48:00 and read 8876 times.

Quoting commavia (Reply 165):
Chicago – Helsinki
AA84 ORD 1535 HEL 0830+ 763 daily
AA83 HEL 1410 ORD 1535 763 daily

Interesting that ORD-HEL flight has higher flightnumber in sequence? One would expect it to be AA82 or the return segment to be AA85. I wonder what's the logic behind this?

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: FlyAA757
Posted 2010-10-24 15:38:10 and read 8745 times.

I'm predicting the following to be announced soon:

ORD-ARN 75L
ORD-MAN 75L
ORD-BBI 763
JFK-DME 763
JFK-FRA 75L

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: qqflyboy
Posted 2010-10-24 15:41:42 and read 8728 times.

Quoting FlyAA757 (Reply 168):
ORD-MAN 75L

AA already operates this route on the 75L, and has for a few years now. Prior to that it was a 763.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: david_itl
Posted 2010-10-24 15:53:56 and read 8662 times.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 169):
A already operates this route on the 75L, and has for a few years now. Prior to that it was a 763.

25th anninversary of that route is next year. If MAN is mentioned by AA, it should be for the confimration of year-round schedules to JFK or a winter schedule to MIA.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: DLBOIFIN
Posted 2010-10-24 16:08:29 and read 8567 times.

Quoting FlyAA757 (Reply 168):
ORD-ARN 75L

I don't think 757 would be capable to do this one, it is 4272mi...would be really stretching to the limits. Besides, I don't believe they would start ORD-ARN for two reasons; 1. SK already covers the segment with A330 and 2. it probably would cannibalize the ORD-HEL flight. If AA would start ARN, I think JFK-ARN would be more sensible as the market is much bigger than ORD market.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2010-10-24 18:05:28 and read 8286 times.

Quoting EMB170 (Reply 166):
Would there be enough room for them to open up a new lounge in T3 (possibly the old Delta Crown Room) if they moved?

I'm not in Chicago as much as I'd like these days (and not at ORD in particular) so a local may need to correct me, but AFAIK the old Crown Room space is vacant.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2010-10-24 18:19:05 and read 8191 times.

Quoting EMB170 (Reply 166):
Would there be enough room for them to open up a new lounge in T3 (possibly the old Delta Crown Room) if they moved?
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 172):
but AFAIK the old Crown Room space is vacant.

That is correct that the old Crown Room is still vacant. Perfect spot for either a third Admirals Club or a joint BA/IB lounge.

I wonder if 3E, which occupies Gate L10, and NK, which occupies Gates L7/9, will have to move to T5 and give up their L subleases to AA so BA and JL could be accommodated.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2010-10-24 18:21:55 and read 8184 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 173):
I wonder if 3E, which occupies Gate L10, and NK, which occupies Gates L7/9, will have to move to T5 and give up their L subleases to AA so BA and JL could be accommodated.

What about 1, 3 and 5? None can take a BA or JL widebody (5 may be able to take a 763, but not anything bigger).

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: CALPSAFltSkeds
Posted 2010-10-24 18:42:46 and read 8092 times.

Quoting FlyAA757 (Reply 168):
ORD-BBI 763

I don't think so. That route is 7065 NM, and the 763ER has a stated range of 5990 nm. There is no way anyone would schedule a 763ER flight anywhere near the stated range due to headwinds. BBI has a runway of 9300 feet , which may not be enough for a MGTOW 763ER.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2010-10-24 18:44:35 and read 8080 times.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 175):
I don't think so.

I'm fairly certain he's referring to the new Berlin airport (which is is easily within 763 range, though from a size and a product perspective, the 762 might be a better choice).

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: ssides
Posted 2010-10-24 18:53:37 and read 8062 times.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 175):
That route is 7065 NM, and the 763ER has a stated range of 5990 nm.

Are you sure those numbers are correct? Before it received its 777s, AA flew DFW-FRA and ORD-FRA with 763s for years. Berlin can't be that much further than Frankfurt.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2010-10-24 18:59:32 and read 8030 times.

Quoting ssides (Reply 177):
Are you sure those numbers are correct?

Mouse over BBI and the confusion should become clear. ORD-Berlin is less than 5000 nm.

Topic: RE: And The AA Announcement Is... (NEW ROUTES)
Username: sflaflight
Posted 2010-10-26 03:22:36 and read 7226 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 164):
This is awesome news for MIA! It's great to see AA finally adding more MIA-Europe flights. MAD is a very convenient airport to connect through IMO.

Well, I like you, am still waiting for MIA-MXP. I mean MXP is already a JFK spoke. C'mon AA, connect the dots already. AZ is only x3 weekly!


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