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Topic: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: readytotaxi
Posted 2010-10-28 08:29:24 and read 11065 times.

Always thought this was a great aircraft and just wondered if there was one preserved or even flying out there somewhere?

Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: milesrich
Posted 2010-10-28 08:42:58 and read 11020 times.

As I recall, there are no Boeing 377 airframes in existence that were not scrapped or modified into the Guppys. I believe only 55 were built.

Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: keesje
Posted 2010-10-28 09:21:24 and read 10925 times.

There is a Stratoliner though..

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Plane.../Boeing-307-Stratoliner/0434168/L/


The last flyable stratoliner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVLLWgUSsYI

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Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: Stitch
Posted 2010-10-28 09:22:56 and read 10919 times.

Quoting keesje (Reply 2):
There is a Stratoliner though..

Another is at the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center in IAD.

Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: planenut767
Posted 2010-10-28 09:36:22 and read 10832 times.

I don't know if there's any 377's around. I do know there's a few of the C-97/KC-97's around with one being restored to flying condition at Floyd Bennett Field by the Berlin Airlift Historical Foundation.

Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: readytotaxi
Posted 2010-10-28 09:49:17 and read 10772 times.

Got to be one of the BEST cockpit windows ever.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Pan-A...377-10-26-Stratocruiser/0089855/L/

Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: kanban
Posted 2010-10-28 10:09:43 and read 10692 times.

well related to that are there any C-97's out there still flying? I thought I saw one parked in Israel...

Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: kanban
Posted 2010-10-28 10:13:22 and read 10675 times.

Quoting keesje (Reply 2):
The last flyable stratoliner
Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
Another is at the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center in IAD.



it was saved, repaired and flew to IAD for display... it's the same plane!

Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: FlyHossD
Posted 2010-10-28 11:48:17 and read 10432 times.

Apparently, Clay Lacy purchased a C-97 from Hawkins and Powers and is planning to restore
it as a 377 with a 1950's era United paint scheme.

If anyone can do it, Clay Lacy can.

Do a search to get more information; I found many links (here's one):

http://www.warbirdinformationexchang.../viewtopic.php?f=3&t=35887&start=0

Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: ImperialEagle
Posted 2010-10-28 11:59:32 and read 10387 times.

Quoting kanban (Reply 6):
I thought I saw one parked in Israel

That would make sense as they had some pretty old airframes at one time.

Quoting FlyHossD (Reply 8):
Apparently, Clay Lacy purchased a C-97 from Hawkins and Powers and is planning to restore
it as a 377 with a 1950's era United paint scheme.

That would be very nice!

The last one I saw in ops. was at MIA back in the late 1980's. Had a navy blue tail. Agro Air or something like that. Don't recall if it was a -97 or a -377.
It was fun to watch. I used to stand at the RR spur next to Eldorado and watch it come and go. Those big old Pratts sounded beautiful.

Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2010-10-28 15:10:18 and read 10081 times.

Quoting milesrich (Reply 1):
As I recall, there are no Boeing 377 airframes in existence that were not scrapped or modified into the Guppys. I believe only 55 were built.

I think total production was 56, and 12 were written off in accidents, 7 of which involved Pan Am aircraft. Two of the 12 hull losses were after Guppy conversion.

Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: sparky35805
Posted 2010-10-28 15:40:08 and read 9985 times.

Israel had some of Pan Ams 377s for their air force.If there is one over there it could be a 377,but probably is a C97.The ones operating out of MIA with the blue tail were C97s.
Sparky

Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: fanofjets
Posted 2010-10-28 16:55:50 and read 9860 times.

Sadly, the answer is no, there are no Boeing Stratocruisers left. None of the Israeli Air Force ex-Pan American Strats have survived; only one or two of their C-97s have been preserved at Beersheba.

The last true Stratocruiser was an ex-Northwest Orient bird (N76403); she was parted out at Mojave in the early 1980s, donating parts to the Aero Spacelines Guppy program:


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A nunber of C-97s have been preserved, the Strat's military equivalent. Only one is now airworthy, the Angel of Deliverance, owned by the Berlin Airlift Historic Foundation:


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This beautiful aircraft is hangared at Floyd Bennett Field, Brooklyn, NY, in the same builting as the collection of the Historic Aircraft Restoration Project

Another close contender is the Balair aircraft preserved at the Pima Air and Space Museum:

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Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: JETSTAR
Posted 2010-10-28 17:54:53 and read 9718 times.

There were 3 versions of the guppy series airplanes, the first was the pregnant Guppy, based on the Boeing 337, the second series was the Super Guppy, or SG based on the Boeing C-97J, the last was the Super Guppy Turbine, or SGT which used the wings, tail and the cockpit of the C-97, but the fuselage was built new to allow for a wider main cabin floor and had a pressurized cockpit for flying at higher altitudes.

JetStar

Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: n318ea
Posted 2010-10-29 04:33:20 and read 8046 times.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 9):
The last one I saw in ops. was at MIA back in the late 1980's. Had a navy blue tail. Agro Air or something like that. Don't recall if it was a -97 or a -377.

I believe there where 3 A/C. They were originally parked at Arrow Air on South side of a/p. Later they were on North side in front of the old Pan AM hangers I used to see them in Santo Domingo when I flew there. There was also a Connie there that used to make it to MIA occasionally.

Unrelated to this, but I remember seeing a Super Connie with the name "Orula." I drove past it just hours before it crashed after takeoff Dec 15,1973. I just now found it listed @ http://aviation-safety.net/photos/di...to.php?id=19731215-1&vnr=2&kind=PC

Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: sparky35805
Posted 2010-10-29 06:50:41 and read 7042 times.

I hadnt heard them called the Supper Guppy Turbine before.The first Pregnat Guppy was a frequent visitor to Redstone Airfield here in HSV to transport missle stages to the cape.The Super Guppy that Nasa used for years had Pratt&Whitney turboprops and three bladed props like a C133.It was also in here often.the Army also used a C124 with the same turboprops to carrie Jupiter missle stages to the cape.
Sparky

Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: SEPilot
Posted 2010-10-29 07:41:08 and read 6631 times.

Didn't Airbus have one or more of the Super Guppies for a while before they built the Beluga?

Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: sparky35805
Posted 2010-10-29 08:12:25 and read 6350 times.

They had 4 or 5 of the Allison powered airplanes.Nasa is using one of them now hauling space station hardware.
Sparky

Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: clickhappy
Posted 2010-10-29 08:23:06 and read 6252 times.

There is whats left of one hiding in Moses Lake, but you have to know where to look (not visible on Google Earth)

Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: SEPilot
Posted 2010-10-29 08:28:03 and read 6182 times.

Quoting JETSTAR (Reply 13):
the last was the Super Guppy Turbine, or SGT which used the wings, tail and the cockpit of the C-97, but the fuselage was built new to allow for a wider main cabin floor and had a pressurized cockpit for flying at higher altitudes.

By the way, who built these?

Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: eprn1n2
Posted 2010-10-29 08:39:17 and read 6099 times.

I recall working at MIA airport in the early 90s there was an operator that had two 337s. I'd watch them taxi our early in the morning with white smoke pouring out the exhaust. They flew cargo down to Mexico somewhere. the story is that one day they couldn't find a captain for the flight so two FOs took off for the trip to Mexico. When they got there the practice was to place a wedge of wood on the control column to keep the elevator out of the way. The FO flying as captain forgot to remove it and they crashed on the subsequent takeoff. This is a story I heard and would like to see if it is correct or urban legend. Anybody heard this?

Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: MNMncrcnwjr
Posted 2010-10-29 08:44:37 and read 6064 times.

There is one at the don Q Inn in Dodgville, WI - Static

But there is this video from I believe Wisconsin Public TV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLrITQ1lbQs

And the Landing video ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS_ogd5MRmo

Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: F9Animal
Posted 2010-10-29 08:46:38 and read 6057 times.

I think there is one at Tilamook Oregon!

Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: clickhappy
Posted 2010-10-29 08:51:00 and read 6048 times.

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 22):
I think there is one at Tilamook Oregon!

It's a Guppy:


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Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: readytotaxi
Posted 2010-10-29 08:51:54 and read 6046 times.

Wow, just found this great picture.

Book, Air Disaster Vol4 by Macarthur Job. Great series of books.

just look at all those 377's

Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: StudeDave
Posted 2010-10-29 12:07:13 and read 5928 times.

I don't know what it is about these big Boeings- but I love 'em!!!

I'm sorta surprised no one has mentioned these sites yet~

http://www.ovi.ch/b377/

And on the Guppy side~

http://www.allaboutguppys.com/

EVERYTHING you've ever wanted to know (and then some...)



StudeDave



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Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: SEPilot
Posted 2010-10-29 12:11:22 and read 5909 times.

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 24):

just look at all those 377's

Aren't they mostly C-97's? Considering that only 55 377's were built, I doubt that there were ever that many in one place at one time.

Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: StudeDave
Posted 2010-10-29 12:18:33 and read 5903 times.

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 26):
Aren't they mostly C-97's?

I'd think not-- I see too many windows on 'em...



StudeDave

Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: readytotaxi
Posted 2010-10-29 12:24:52 and read 5865 times.

Quoting StudeDave (Reply 27):

That's what I was thinking.  

Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: JETSTAR
Posted 2010-10-29 14:30:58 and read 5725 times.

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 19):
Quoting JETSTAR (Reply 13):
the last was the Super Guppy Turbine, or SGT which used the wings, tail and the cockpit of the C-97, but the fuselage was built new to allow for a wider main cabin floor and had a pressurized cockpit for flying at higher altitudes.


By the way, who built these?

I believe they were all built by Aero Spacelines.

JetStar

Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2010-10-29 14:45:22 and read 5686 times.

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 16):
Didn't Airbus have one or more of the Super Guppies for a while before they built the Beluga?
Quoting sparky35805 (Reply 17):
They had 4 or 5 of the Allison powered airplanes.Nasa is using one of them now hauling space station hardware.

One of the Airbus aircraft is preserved at their Hamburg Finkenwerder (XFW) assembly plant.


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Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 24):
Wow, just found this great picture.

The aircraft in the foreground gives a good view of the B377's hinged vertical tail (sitting on the right horizontal stabilizer). It was designed to fold down to permit use of hangars with lower roofs.

Topic: RE: Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, Any Out There?
Username: 474218
Posted 2010-10-29 16:41:49 and read 5578 times.

Quoting JETSTAR (Reply 29):
I believe they were all built by Aero Spacelines.


The first two Guppy aircraft were built in Van Nuys, California. The remainder at Santa Barbra Airport, Goleta, California.

When I was in the USAF I flew on a C-97 (Wright Patterson to Offutt).

When I got out of the USAF I went to work for Tex Johnson Inc, which was located in the same hangar was Aero Spacelines.

About a year later I helped unload a couple of L-1011 wings that were delivered by Guppy to Lockheed in Palmdale from AVCO in Nashville.

Also a friend, Van Sheppard was killed in the crash of the Mini Guppy, Edwards AFB May 1970.
Van was the Vice President Aero Spacelines/President of Tex Johnson Inc and a former F-100 production test pilot.


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