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Topic: Vietnam Signs For 8 789s
Username: lumberton
Posted 2010-10-30 09:00:12 and read 8060 times.

Is this new? I know that Boeing's web site shows 8 788s on order for Vietnam. Is this "in addition to" or a conversion? Note that the article states Vietnam is in talks to buy 8 more.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...reamliners/articleshow/6841798.cms

Topic: RE: Vietnam Signs For 8 789s
Username: EddieDude
Posted 2010-10-30 09:14:02 and read 7979 times.

Thanks for the link!  

The statement:"Today marks the continuation of a 15-year relationship between Boeing and Vietnam and represents the introduction of the next generation of flight," suggests this could be a conversion. But then you have: "With this agreement, Vietnam Airlines shows its growing leadership in Southeast Asia by making the 787 Dreamliner the backbone of their twin aisle fleet." which suggests this is an additional order.

In any case it is interesting. If VN is upgrading from the -8 to the -9 it is a sign that demand for VN flights to long haul destinations is showing a growing trend. If it is a new order, well, it means things are going even better and VN is being really ambitious.  

Topic: RE: Vietnam Signs For 8 789s
Username: lumberton
Posted 2010-10-30 09:25:39 and read 7924 times.

Then again, given the high profile ceremony, I'd be surprised if it were a conversion.

Edit: just found this. Looks like a conversion.

http://www.nasdaq.com/aspx/stock-mar...ith-boeing-for-8-787-9-dreamliners

Quote:
President and CEO Pham Ngoc Minh told Dow Jones Newswires that the national flag carrier will take delivery of the first aircraft in 2015.

He said the airline will also lease three further 787-9 Dreamliners.

The deal replaces an earlier agreement with Boeing for the purchase of an older version of the aircraft, the 787-8 Dreamliner.


[Edited 2010-10-30 09:31:16]

Topic: RE: Vietnam Signs For 8 789s
Username: EddieDude
Posted 2010-10-30 10:03:00 and read 7749 times.

Thanks Lumberton. Wow, a fleet of 19 frames is good. So, will these replace the A330s and 777s?

Topic: RE: Vietnam Signs For 8 789s
Username: keesje
Posted 2010-10-30 10:30:19 and read 7594 times.

I think we seeing a stream of -8 to -9 conversions. Apart from larger, -9s will be more mature / enhanced. It's also a low profile deferral..

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z160/keesje_pics/Boeing787-9.jpg

Topic: RE: Vietnam Signs For 8 789s
Username: EddieDude
Posted 2010-10-30 10:43:01 and read 7548 times.

Quoting keesje (Reply 4):
I think we seeing a stream of -8 to -9 conversion

Yeah, I wonder if AM should stick to the 788-77E combo or if it should consider getting both -800s and -900s.

Topic: RE: Vietnam Signs For 8 789s
Username: Ozair
Posted 2010-10-31 00:36:45 and read 4678 times.

Quoting keesje (Reply 4):
Apart from larger, -9s will be more mature / enhanced


I am not sure why you keep saying the -9 will be more mature. By the time VN get their -9s the -8 will have all the same improvements rolled into the production frames so there really won't be a difference (other than the obvious).

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 1):
If VN is upgrading from the -8 to the -9 it is a sign that demand for VN flights to long haul destinations is showing a growing trend.

It still leaves them plenty of time to go for the -8 at a later date should they want something to eventually replace the A330. More interesting is how this will gel with their A359 order. Another customer that will fly both manufacturs -9s or are they simply playing the political order game?

Topic: RE: Vietnam Signs For 8 789s
Username: BMI727
Posted 2010-10-31 01:04:39 and read 4581 times.

Quoting keesje (Reply 4):
Apart from larger, -9s will be more mature / enhanced.

-8s will almost certainly be getting all of the upgrades the -9 will have.

Quoting Ozair (Reply 6):
More interesting is how this will gel with their A359 order. Another customer that will fly both manufacturs -9s or are they simply playing the political order game?

I don't see why they couldn't join the group of carriers operating both 787-9s and A350-900s. There will probably be quite a few when all is said and done.


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