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Topic: SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU
Username: xpfg
Posted 2010-11-06 20:16:33 and read 6230 times.

As the title states, OO will begin CRJ service into SGU beginning January 13, 2011.

Source: http://www.skywest.com/media/Press%20Releases/SGU_Jets_11.5.10.pdf

Fair use:

St. George, Utah, November 5, 2010 – SkyWest Airlines is pleased to introduce daily jet service
between St. George and Salt Lake International Airport beginning in January 2011. SkyWest
Airlines’ enhanced customer flying experience onboard the 50-passenger Bombardier-manufactured
Canadair Regional Jet 200 (CRJ200) will make St. George travel better than ever!

...The new schedule, effective Jan. 13, 2011, offers four weekday Delta Connection jet roundtrips
and one round-trip onboard the 30-passenger EMB 120 Brasilia, as well as three weekend jet
round-trips between St. George and Salt Lake City.

Edit: It should be mentioned that these flights will take place at the new St. George airport.

[Edited 2010-11-06 20:17:46]

Topic: RE: SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU
Username: AZNCSA4QF744ER
Posted 2010-11-06 21:22:22 and read 6101 times.

Will OO bring back LAX - SGU flight?

Topic: RE: SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU
Username: KLASM83
Posted 2010-11-06 23:19:21 and read 5937 times.

It's good that SGU is getting a good airport, one that handle OO's CRJ's and be another possible diversion airport for LAS. CRJ's to St. George are indeed a sign of change for Southwest Utah. Finally, SkyWest HQ can schedule up a jet for it's hometown airport.

On a personal note, I will miss flying towards a mesa on downwind for runway 16.   

Topic: RE: SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU
Username: SlcDeltaRUmd11
Posted 2010-11-07 00:02:33 and read 5891 times.

Yeah this was really long over due for both the city and skywest airlines hq. Now more regular fliers will avoid LAS and can use SGU. Bringing back LAX has been discussed lets hope they do

Topic: RE: SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2010-11-07 00:29:53 and read 5863 times.

I'm not sure you'll see a LAX link unless Skywest wants to absorb large losses again.

In recent news St.George did apply and seek a SCASD grant funding for next year, but was not one of the winners announced two weeks ago. According to the application they envisaged a $850,000/annual subsidy to support a single daily LAX service at break-even.

Topic: RE: SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU
Username: mrskyguy
Posted 2010-11-07 00:48:57 and read 5837 times.

Fantastic news! Though I admit, this was one of my most favorite approaches left in the CONUS.. the 3-axis of turbulence, the noise of those lovely allisons and the 20-something crews. Well I guess the 20-something crews will be on the CRJ's too. [duck]

Topic: RE: SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU
Username: SlcDeltaRUmd11
Posted 2010-11-07 01:02:34 and read 5823 times.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
I'm not sure you'll see a LAX link unless Skywest wants to absorb large losses again.

In recent news St.George did apply and seek a SCASD grant funding for next year, but was not one of the winners announced two weeks ago. According to the application they envisaged a $850,000/annual subsidy to support a single daily LAX service at break-even.

I think the CRJ would get alot more non skywest employees to fly the route automatically and once people try and like the new airport and jets i think more people will want to use the airport other than skywest employees. Plus alot of the new move in are from so cal so it should be more popular than it was before. Lets hope it comes back, i really think it will come back on a CRJ-200 eventually. Looks to be great new airport though!!

Topic: RE: SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU
Username: F9Animal
Posted 2010-11-07 06:17:33 and read 5652 times.

I remember flying OO from LAS to SGU all the time on their Metro and EMB 120. I do remember seeing the CRJ often at SGU, especially when they first got the CRJ. I too loved the flight into the SGU airport. Where is the new airport located?

Topic: RE: SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU
Username: kingcavalier
Posted 2010-11-07 07:02:07 and read 5596 times.

I will not fall over in shock to see 2 daily CRJ's to DEN as well dba UA Express.

Topic: RE: SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU
Username: mayor
Posted 2010-11-07 07:08:20 and read 5575 times.

Just one more reason NOT to keep the 120s.

My son-in-law (who used to fly for OO) told me once that Skywest COULD have flown jets into St. George, if they had wanted to, with CR7s. I guess they decided to just stick it out until they had a new airport.

Topic: RE: SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU
Username: Goldenshield
Posted 2010-11-07 10:58:08 and read 5364 times.

Quoting mayor (Reply 9):
My son-in-law (who used to fly for OO) told me once that Skywest COULD have flown jets into St. George, if they had wanted to, with CR7s.

Well, the plane the can land there just fine. It's just that the feds won't allow them to carry revenue passengers.

Quoting mrskyguy (Reply 5):
the 3-axis of turbulence, the noise of those lovely allisons and the 20-something crews.

Given the seniority of the crews, I'd have to say that they were 20-something in the 80's.

Topic: RE: SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU
Username: mrskyguy
Posted 2010-11-07 12:05:56 and read 5273 times.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 10):
Given the seniority of the crews, I'd have to say that they were 20-something in the 80's.

Nein. On a recent E120 flight in to SGU, I watched as the 20-something crew exited the plane and posed for silly facebook pictures. I'm a dinosaur by comparison.

Quoting mayor (Reply 9):

Just one more reason NOT to keep the 120s.

My son-in-law (who used to fly for OO) told me once that Skywest COULD have flown jets into St. George, if they had wanted to, with CR7s. I guess they decided to just stick it out until they had a new airport.

The E120s still offer a low-cost means of flying a small modicum of PAX out of contiguous cities, and thus giving UAL the market saturation on the west coast that they enjoy.

OO actually flew a CRJ-900 once in to KSGU, but of course it was empty and in town entirely for a demonstration of some sort.

Topic: RE: SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU
Username: Goldenshield
Posted 2010-11-07 12:10:56 and read 5259 times.

Quoting mrskyguy (Reply 11):
OO actually flew a CRJ-900 once in to KSGU, but of course it was empty and in town entirely for a demonstration of some sort.

At least 3 times that I know of. First time was the initial delivery, and that got some press. The 2nd time was a later delivery, and then the big press event was delivery of the 35th anniversary -900.

Topic: RE: SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU
Username: ridgid727
Posted 2010-11-07 13:38:17 and read 5182 times.

Its nice they are upgrading this to CRJ's, however, they are peddling like mad to get the locals from driving to LAS for lower WN fares to most destinations. The CRJ's will dilute their losses at SGU even further, but what are they to do--its their home.
I was boarding a flight there one day, from SLC, and the agent told me there were 8 revenue passengers and 21 non-revs.
(one family of 9 was on standby, and they all made it on)

Topic: RE: SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU
Username: Access-Air
Posted 2010-11-08 07:21:59 and read 4869 times.

Quoting mrskyguy (Reply 5):
the noise of those lovely allisons

Allisons??? The EMB-120 is powered by the Pratt & Whitney PW120 turboprops engines....

Ive visited the SGU airport up on the Mesa...Its pretty cool.....Its too bad they have to close it....

Imagine back in the 60s and 70s.....Bonanza Air Lines used to fly Fairchild F-27s into SGU....it successor Airwest did the same in the early 70s.....Water Meth injection must have been the rule of the day...

Access-Air

Topic: RE: SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU
Username: mayor
Posted 2010-11-08 07:33:19 and read 4854 times.

Quoting mrskyguy (Reply 11):
The E120s still offer a low-cost means of flying a small modicum of PAX out of contiguous cities, and thus giving UAL the market saturation on the west coast that they enjoy.

Well, a few years ago, OO was telling airport management in 120 only stations that they would be getting rid of the 120s in a few years. Don't know if that timetable has changed or not.

Topic: RE: SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU
Username: Coronado990
Posted 2010-11-08 07:42:26 and read 4837 times.

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 14):
Imagine back in the 60s and 70s.....Bonanza Air Lines used to fly Fairchild F-27s into SGU....it successor Airwest did the same in the early 70s.....Water Meth injection must have been the rule of the day...



I pretty sure Bonanza only flew DC-3's into SGU. When they went all jet powered with the F-27 by the early 1960's, they only served Cedar City and SGU was off the route map.
Check out this BZ timetable from 1963. http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/bo63/bo63-1.jpg

Topic: RE: SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU
Username: mrskyguy
Posted 2010-11-08 08:00:25 and read 4797 times.

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 14):
Allisons??? The EMB-120 is powered by the Pratt & Whitney PW120 turboprops engines....

Let me put down the glue I was sniffing and remind myself that these are E120s and not Saab 340s. Am I the only one out there that does that? Mentally crossing the 120 with the 340?

Quoting mayor (Reply 15):
Well, a few years ago, OO was telling airport management in 120 only stations that they would be getting rid of the 120s in a few years. Don't know if that timetable has changed or not.

I think it was always expected that the E120 would be replaced by something of a similar capability, but that never happened.. partly because there's really not a huge market for similar planes and the only heavy hitters in development are ATRs and Dash-8s, though the Dash-8s are Q400-only now.

Topic: RE: SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU
Username: mayor
Posted 2010-11-08 08:40:37 and read 4756 times.

Quoting mrskyguy (Reply 17):
I think it was always expected that the E120 would be replaced by something of a similar capability, but that never happened.. partly because there's really not a huge market for similar planes and the only heavy hitters in development are ATRs and Dash-8s, though the Dash-8s are Q400-only now.

Well, IIRC, what they were telling the airports was that Skywest would become an all jet airline, no turboprops at all. One of the holdups was the new airport at SGU. At the time, the location of the new airport hadn't even been okayed.

SUN has been scrambling to find a location for a new airport as their is virtually no room to expand the current one.

Topic: RE: SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU
Username: ScottB
Posted 2010-11-08 09:02:44 and read 4725 times.

Quoting ridgid727 (Reply 13):
they are peddling like mad to get the locals from driving to LAS for lower WN fares to most destinations.

The real question is whether the fares at SGU will be competitive with gas for the 250-mile round-trip plus the additional cost of parking at LAS. When you have to fly to SLC and change planes to get anywhere, most of the time savings from using the hometown airport get eaten up if there's a non-stop from LAS. It probably makes sense for one or two people to fly to/from SGU, but the savings can potentially be VERY large for a family driving to LAS.

Topic: RE: SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU
Username: mrskyguy
Posted 2010-11-08 10:08:19 and read 4653 times.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 19):
The real question is whether the fares at SGU will be competitive with gas for the 250-mile round-trip plus the additional cost of parking at LAS. When you have to fly to SLC and change planes to get anywhere, most of the time savings from using the hometown airport get eaten up if there's a non-stop from LAS. It probably makes sense for one or two people to fly to/from SGU, but the savings can potentially be VERY large for a family driving to LAS.

And that's really the million dollar question. I miss the LAX-SGU nonstop, but I also cannot ignore the difference in savings flying RT from BUR-LAS for $100, renting a car for $50 and spending $30 on gas. That's $180 vs. the $250 I was spending on the LAX-SGU nonstop. Plus I get to visit my customers in Vegas.

Topic: RE: SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU
Username: SlcDeltaRUmd11
Posted 2010-11-08 10:20:00 and read 4630 times.

Quoting mayor (Reply 9):
My son-in-law (who used to fly for OO) told me once that Skywest COULD have flown jets into St. George, if they had wanted to, with CR7s. I guess they decided to just stick it out until they had a new airport.

Yeah they couldn't have even operated the CRJ-200 with passengers out of the old airport. That is the entire reason why the new one had to be built.

Quoting ridgid727 (Reply 13):
Its nice they are upgrading this to CRJ's, however, they are peddling like mad to get the locals from driving to LAS for lower WN fares to most destinations. The CRJ's will dilute their losses at SGU even further, but what are they to do--its their home.
I was boarding a flight there one day, from SLC, and the agent told me there were 8 revenue passengers and 21 non-revs.

You were on a good revenue day for that flight LOL. Hey its skywests home they want need to fly there by necessity always non-revs on that flight. The CRJ will boost the number of seats so hopefully fares can be lowered and they can adequately move their own employees in there also.

There was a rumor floating around about Frontier starting service but with the decision to really reduce Q400 flying maybe they dont have the right plane for the mission. Skywest employees heading to DEN or ORD can use SLC no problem, i think LAX will be the city to get the service and skywest and the city will work something out with United hopefully getting some fed money to help.

Topic: RE: SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU
Username: OH-LGA
Posted 2010-11-08 10:43:15 and read 4602 times.

There were rumors floating in the past that when the new airport opened that SFO service under the UAX banner was being considered using CRJ200s. I don't know if that's still the case, but certainly possible with the expansion of OO's CRJ200 pro-rate flying, and would arguably create better on-line connecting opportunities in the Western US than LAX service. DEN would certainly make sense for connecting opportunities for the rest of the US. If I remember correctly, EM2s did operate SGU-DEN for a few months a few years ago as EM2s were repositioned from the West Coast to DEN the first time around.

Topic: RE: SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU
Username: ridgid727
Posted 2010-11-08 12:32:01 and read 4539 times.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 19):
When you have to fly to SLC and change planes to get anywhere, most of the time savings from using the hometown airport get eaten up if there's a non-stop from LAS. It probably makes sense for one or two people to fly to/from SGU, but the savings can potentially be VERY large for a family driving to LAS.

That is exactly the case, as I think those shuttles to LAS for like $25.00 are packed. I don't really think the new airport will cause more people to travel from/to SGU. I do however think they may land a carrier such as Allegiant to places like LAX or Mesa.

Quoting mayor (Reply 18):
SUN has been scrambling to find a location for a new airport as their is virtually no room to expand the current one.

That has been ongoing for years, and nothing absolutely nothing has been decided about where to place it. Bruce Willis talks about opening a private airport that can handle jets on aproximately 2800 acres he owns between SUN and a little town called Fairfield. (its would still be a 40 mile drive up to SUN if that happened).

As it is now when wx goes down at SUN, OOdiverts to TWF and buses folks from TWF to SUN. QX buses them from BOI to SUN. Additionally OO's Emb120s can hardly accomodate all the bags and luggage on their flights, so it usually ends up goig to TWF and trucked or delivered to SUN by courier with quite a bit of delay OR they are also known to EXPEDITE tag them through the QX system, or take them to BOI on their flight or DL, and courier them over to SUN.

Topic: RE: SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU
Username: Goldenshield
Posted 2010-11-08 12:52:11 and read 4517 times.

Quoting ridgid727 (Reply 23):
Additionally OO's Emb120s can hardly accomodate all the bags and luggage on their flights, so it usually ends up goig to TWF and trucked or delivered to SUN by courier with quite a bit of delay OR they are also known to EXPEDITE tag them through the QX system, or take them to BOI on their flight or DL, and courier them over to SUN.


When the rich take vacations---especially to Hailey---they REALLY take vacations SERIOUSLY. None of this 1-2 week deals that we normals must take. Nay, they go for MONTHS and pack accordingly.   

I especially love the stories of the passengers that have to be dealt with on the flight. It's only an hour flight, but they demand the world! Then there's the poor flight attendant who had to deal with drink orders from a parent because the kids "don't talk to the hired help."

Topic: RE: SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU
Username: Access-Air
Posted 2010-11-08 13:42:10 and read 4513 times.

Quoting mrskyguy (Reply 17):
Let me put down the glue I was sniffing and remind myself that these are E120s and not Saab 340s. Am I the only one out there that does that? Mentally crossing the 120 with the 340?

You still need to put down the glue...LOL....The SAAB 340s are powered by GE CT-7s....The SAAB 2000s are powered by Allisons....LOL!!!!!!   Saab 2000 Powerplant 2 x Allison AE2100A Turboprop 4152 shp

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 16):
I pretty sure Bonanza only flew DC-3's into SGU. When they went all jet powered with the F-27 by the early 1960's, they only served Cedar City and SGU was off the route map.

Oops my bad.... 

Access-Air

Topic: RE: SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU
Username: mayor
Posted 2010-11-08 13:47:52 and read 4505 times.

Quoting ridgid727 (Reply 23):
That has been ongoing for years, and nothing absolutely nothing has been decided about where to place it. Bruce Willis talks about opening a private airport that can handle jets on aproximately 2800 acres he owns between SUN and a little town called Fairfield. (its would still be a 40 mile drive up to SUN if that happened).

As it is now when wx goes down at SUN, OOdiverts to TWF and buses folks from TWF to SUN. QX buses them from BOI to SUN. Additionally OO's Emb120s can hardly accomodate all the bags and luggage on their flights, so it usually ends up goig to TWF and trucked or delivered to SUN by courier with quite a bit of delay OR they are also known to EXPEDITE tag them through the QX system, or take them to BOI on their flight or DL, and courier them over to SUN.

Another one of the choices was nearby Shoshone, but that didn't make very much sense either. Put it there and you might as well just fly into TWF, instead. There is room south of the airport, but apparently, whoever owns that chunk of land, either wants too much or doesn't want to sell at all. I know for awhile QX was operating in there with a Q-400 with an FAA waiver for the extra wingspan.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 24):
I especially love the stories of the passengers that have to be dealt with on the flight. It's only an hour flight, but they demand the world! Then there's the poor flight attendant who had to deal with drink orders from a parent because the kids "don't talk to the hired help."

My daughter has some stories about this. She has worked this flight off and on and for awhile, quite often when she lived in Hailey.


Just as an aside, apparently the poor economy has really hit that area, hard. My daughter's husband was up their recently and was remarking how dead it looks compared to about 2-3 years ago when they lived there. Restaurants closed, etc.

Topic: RE: SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU
Username: toltommy
Posted 2010-11-08 16:59:39 and read 4412 times.

Quoting AZNCSA4QF744ER (Reply 1):
Will OO bring back LAX - SGU flight?

Only if DL tells them to launch it.

Quoting mayor (Reply 9):
My son-in-law (who used to fly for OO) told me once that Skywest COULD have flown jets into St. George, if they had wanted to, with CR7s.

If you factor non-rev and positive space demand into the route, maybe. But neither generates revenue.

Topic: RE: SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU
Username: ridgid727
Posted 2010-11-08 17:10:27 and read 4392 times.

Quoting toltommy (Reply 27):
Only if DL tells them to launch it.

the previous flight they operated was a United Express Flight, not Delta connection

Topic: RE: SkyWest To Begin CRJ Service Out Of SGU
Username: mayor
Posted 2010-11-08 21:12:31 and read 4277 times.

Quoting toltommy (Reply 27):
If you factor non-rev and positive space demand into the route, maybe. But neither generates revenue.

He meant it was a physical possibility......nothing to do with whether it generated any revenue or not.


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