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Topic: Hawaiian Equipment Change In Las Vegas
Username: tarantulalv
Posted 2010-11-14 16:10:11 and read 8186 times.

With this recent notification:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/HAL18

It seems clear Hawaiian is determined to phase the 763 out of LAS. The first daily flight HAL8/7 has already been changed since September 4th and operates this equipment daily. Now the last flight appears to have been as well. There is also a late afternoon arrival that still currently operates the 763. It may only be a matter of time it seems. Are there any other destinations besides LAS and LAX on the map to receive the 332 service? I am wondering why these are not used on some of routes in their network with greater distance.

Just curious.

Topic: RE: Hawaiian Equipment Change In Las Vegas
Username: USXGuy
Posted 2010-11-14 16:54:22 and read 8056 times.

I believe Hawaiian is slated to get one more A330 this year, and I believe only 2 next year. So I wouldn't really hold my breath. Hawaiian has been very conservative when it comes to adding to their fleet. Someone in the isles even said they are returning 2 Boeing 717s.

Topic: RE: Hawaiian Equipment Change In Las Vegas
Username: 71Zulu
Posted 2010-11-14 17:52:14 and read 7879 times.

Quoting USXGuy (Reply 1):
I believe Hawaiian is slated to get one more A330 this year

One more in addition to the one they got last Thursday?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N...A/history/20101111/0800Z/LFBO/PHNL

This gives them 3 now.

Topic: RE: Hawaiian Equipment Change In Las Vegas
Username: Bluewave 707
Posted 2010-11-14 20:43:12 and read 7534 times.

The 3rd A332 will enter service in early December

Topic: RE: Hawaiian Equipment Change In Las Vegas
Username: je89_w
Posted 2010-11-14 23:15:55 and read 7338 times.

Quoting tarantulalv (Thread starter):
Are there any other destinations besides LAS and LAX on the map to receive the 332 service? I am wondering why these are not used on some of routes in their network with greater distance.

To answer your questions, yes, the A332s will eventually be deployed to all the destinations of HA's non-interisland route network. I don't believe the list of cities to see near-future A332 service has been released.

Airlines tend to deploy new aircraft to routes near home base for the sake of crew/station familiarization, same goes for HA. You can bet that the long haul routes will soon see the A332s, when more aircraft come online.

Topic: RE: Hawaiian Equipment Change In Las Vegas
Username: SurfandSnow
Posted 2010-11-15 02:15:17 and read 7174 times.

Quoting tarantulalv (Thread starter):

It seems clear Hawaiian is determined to phase the 763 out of LAS.

With respect to HNL-LAS, you may be right. But I don't see OGG-LAS going to the A330 anytime soon!

Quoting tarantulalv (Thread starter):
LAS and LAX

These are two of their most popular routes. No surprise to seem them getting the higher capacity birds first.

Quoting tarantulalv (Thread starter):
Are there any other destinations besides LAS and LAX on the map to receive the 332 service? I am wondering why these are not used on some of routes in their network with greater distance.

Most of the HNL/OGG-mainland U.S. flights are around 5-6 hours. In the grand scheme of things, no significantly "greater" distance to SEA or PHX than LAX, for instance.

That leaves PPT, PPG, SYD, and MNL (with HND starting in a few days and ICN to come early next year). HA is probably better off boosting frequency to those markets - I could be wrong but I don't think any of them other than HND are/will be served daily - rather than throwing an even bigger plane on them. Therefore, I think the first international route to get the A330 would be HND, since they can't add even an extra weekly frequency there at all. Let's see how that flight does!

Topic: RE: Hawaiian Equipment Change In Las Vegas
Username: N471wn
Posted 2010-11-15 13:07:15 and read 4186 times.

Quoting USXGuy (Reply 1):
Hawaiian has been very conservative when it comes to adding to their fleet. Someone in the isles even said they are returning 2 Boeing 717s.

Sad as their overly-conservative approach to fleet planning invites in the competition. No wonder Alaska is making such inroads and why when WN enters the routes Hawaiian may be rethinking their strategy---they would rather fly to Japan than serving now an underserved mainland to Hawaii market---how we Californians miss ATA and Aloha. Hurrry into the makrket SWA and teach them a lesson!!

Topic: RE: Hawaiian Equipment Change In Las Vegas
Username: quadagon
Posted 2010-11-15 13:59:21 and read 3829 times.

I wouldn't be surprised if HA leased a few more A330's or even 767's once they start serving HND, plus the threat of WN and also Allegiant entering the West Coast-Hawaii market may force HA to try and add flights to the West Coast.

If HA was smart they would work on a codeshare agreement with WN (similar to the one WN had with ATA) to keep WN as a friend and not a competitor.

Topic: RE: Hawaiian Equipment Change In Las Vegas
Username: N471wn
Posted 2010-11-15 15:28:16 and read 3245 times.

Quoting quadagon (Reply 7):

If HA was smart they would work on a codeshare agreement with WN (similar to the one WN had with ATA) to keep WN as a friend and not a competitor.

Trust me they are not that smart---smug but not smart as they cancelled a planned 767 lease which would have helped them bridge the capacity gap and helped Alaska then get even further into their market.......they have done it to themselves....

Topic: RE: Hawaiian Equipment Change In Las Vegas
Username: HNLPointShoot
Posted 2010-11-15 15:28:35 and read 3245 times.

Quoting USXGuy (Reply 1):
Someone in the isles even said they are returning 2 Boeing 717s.

So soon? It's been barely 2 years since HA picked up the 4 extra 717s to compensate for AQ going under.

Topic: RE: Hawaiian Equipment Change In Las Vegas
Username: ha763
Posted 2010-11-15 20:18:13 and read 2832 times.

Quoting USXGuy (Reply 1):
Someone in the isles even said they are returning 2 Boeing 717s.

I doubt that is the case. They are in the middle of sending 12 of their 717s to AAR Corp. in MIA for maintenance and repainting right now. HA has 15 717s.

Topic: RE: Hawaiian Equipment Change In Las Vegas
Username: flyibaby
Posted 2010-11-16 17:25:59 and read 2515 times.

Could SJC be timed to act as a through flight to HND? I know Silicon Valley is dying to be connected to Tokyo again.

Topic: RE: Hawaiian Equipment Change In Las Vegas
Username: doug_Or
Posted 2010-11-16 18:05:39 and read 2465 times.

Quoting flyibaby (Reply 11):
Could SJC be timed to act as a through flight to HND? I know Silicon Valley is dying to be connected to Tokyo again.

SJC-HNL-HND is a full 1000NM longer than SFO-NRT, so it seems like it would be much easier to drive to SFO.

Topic: RE: Hawaiian Equipment Change In Las Vegas
Username: HAL
Posted 2010-11-16 22:39:43 and read 2342 times.

Quoting N471wn (Reply 6):
Hurrry into the makrket SWA and teach them a lesson!!
Quoting N471wn (Reply 8):
Trust me they are not that smart---smug but not smart as they cancelled a planned 767 lease which would have helped them bridge the capacity gap and helped Alaska then get even further into their market.......they have done it to themselves....

Wow, who spit in your Wheaties today? Or did you have a bad experience on HA and want to take it out on them?

Honestly, HA didn't expand at breakneck speed into OAK or other cities because they didn't want to commit the same sins that Aloha did - trying to expand too fast with the wrong equipment. Could any of our current cities fill an additional 767, or an A330? Maybe, but it would be an expensive gamble. Take a look at HA's balance sheet and tell me if they are making bad decisions. Being an 'everything for everyone' airline is a sure path to financial ruin.

HA has not returned any 717's since 2004. They sent two to AirTran, then a few years later took one back, along with four from Australia. They will not be returning any 717's any time soon. And which 767 lease did they cancel? The two they declined when they entered bankruptcy? Since then they've added four 767's and three A330's without returning a single widebody. No, you are talking about the ex-Air Canada bird they rejected a few years back. That plane was in such poor shape (and configured so differently from ours) that the cost would have been prohibitive to remodel it.

The 737 - no matter which version, and no matter which airline - has a higher seat/mile cost than any of HA's widebodies across the Pacific. HA will be happy to compete with WN, AS, G4, or any other airline that decides to fly to Hawaii.

They've done it to themselves...? What they've done is build themselves into one of the best run, most profitable, and most highly regarded airline in the US.

HAL

Topic: RE: Hawaiian Equipment Change In Las Vegas
Username: N471wn
Posted 2010-11-17 10:15:39 and read 2174 times.

Quoting HAL (Reply 13):
What they've done is build themselves into one of the best run, most profitable, and most highly regarded airline in the US.

Point taken.....I guess while they are doing so well we Oakland passengers continue to suffer----there is so much pent-up demand here but prices to Hawaii and the need to change planes in Honolulu turns people off. I am not down on HAL---only the fact that we need more flights here and not to Japan.

Topic: RE: Hawaiian Equipment Change In Las Vegas
Username: HAL
Posted 2010-11-17 17:38:48 and read 2025 times.

Quoting N471wn (Reply 14):
----there is so much pent-up demand here but prices to Hawaii and the need to change planes in Honolulu turns people off. I am not down on HAL---only the fact that we need more flights here and not to Japan.

I know it's not permanent, but there's a little glimmer of hope:

http://www.mercurynews.com/travel/ci_16578654?nclick_check=1

HA just doesn't have the aircraft to fly everywhere they want all the time. This OAK-OGG flight starts once we have an available 767 (done with heavy checks for the year) but ends when the plane is used for the start of ICN flights in January.

I know many people in OAK (and in HA management) want additional OAK flights, but since HA will make more money by starting the HND and ICN flights, they get first crack at available aircraft.

HAL


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