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Topic: 1st 787/1,000th 767 Joint Delivery To ANA?
Username: kaitak
Posted 2010-11-13 23:38:46 and read 10576 times.

The 996th 767 was delivered on Friday, to JAL and since the remaining passenger 767s seem to be for ANA - and also given that the 787 may be further delayed, I was wondering if it might be possible to have a joint ceremony for the delivery of the two aircraft?

Topic: RE: 1st 787/1,000th 767 Joint Delivery To ANA?
Username: aerorobnz
Posted 2010-11-13 23:47:43 and read 10556 times.

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
I was wondering if it might be possible to have a joint ceremony for the delivery of the two aircraft?

I don't think the 787 is going anywhere for a while longer tbh. It's one of the NH 787s that was the one with the smoke/fire issue.

Topic: RE: 1st 787/1,000th 767 Joint Delivery To ANA?
Username: VHHYI
Posted 2010-11-14 00:14:33 and read 10476 times.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 1):
It's one of the NH 787s that was the one with the smoke/fire issue.

NH colours, but (test) frames 1-6 are no longer going to airline customers.

Topic: RE: 1st 787/1,000th 767 Joint Delivery To ANA?
Username: mdword1959
Posted 2010-11-14 00:26:50 and read 10449 times.

Quoting VHHYI (Reply 2):
but (test) frames 1-6 are no longer going to airline customers

I thought the plan was for 4-6 to be refurbished and delivered to customers?

Topic: RE: 1st 787/1,000th 767 Joint Delivery To ANA?
Username: aerorobnz
Posted 2010-11-14 00:38:18 and read 10425 times.

Quoting VHHYI (Reply 2):
NH colours, but (test) frames 1-6 are no longer going to airline customers.

regardless, I think they could have quite a number of 767s in the time it'll take to get 1 787 delivered...

Topic: RE: 1st 787/1,000th 767 Joint Delivery To ANA?
Username: PM
Posted 2010-11-14 01:34:32 and read 10287 times.

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
The 996th 767 was delivered on Friday, to JAL

Wasn't it ANA?

Topic: RE: 1st 787/1,000th 767 Joint Delivery To ANA?
Username: Aesma
Posted 2010-11-14 02:48:59 and read 10083 times.

With the 787 being revolutionary and all, "Dreamliner" etc., it would be a little bit strange to make a joint ceremony with a 767, me thinks.

Quoting mdword1959 (Reply 3):
I thought the plan was for 4-6 to be refurbished and delivered to customers?

Future VIP customers if I'm not mistaken.

Topic: RE: 1st 787/1,000th 767 Joint Delivery To ANA?
Username: KC135TopBoom
Posted 2010-11-14 06:23:20 and read 9140 times.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 6):
Quoting mdword1959 (Reply 3):
I thought the plan was for 4-6 to be refurbished and delivered to customers?

Future VIP customers if I'm not mistaken.

Correct, and ZA-001, ZA-002, and ZA-003 will stay with Boeing. ZA-004 is a RR Trent-1000 airplane while ZA-005 and ZA-006 are equipped with GEnx-1B engines

Topic: RE: 1st 787/1,000th 767 Joint Delivery To ANA?
Username: 71Zulu
Posted 2010-11-14 06:48:23 and read 8928 times.

Quoting PM (Reply 5):
Wasn't it ANA?

Correct.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/38619847@N05/5121572848/

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...7/history/20101113/0200Z/KPAE/RJTT

Topic: RE: 1st 787/1,000th 767 Joint Delivery To ANA?
Username: Northwest727
Posted 2010-11-15 07:20:55 and read 3146 times.

Why is ZA002, and ZA003 remaining with Boeing? For example, with the 747 program, Boeing kept RA001, but the other 4 test frames, were refurbished and went on to spend their lives in airline service (If I remember correctly, they were all Pan Am birds).

Topic: RE: 1st 787/1,000th 767 Joint Delivery To ANA?
Username: tdscanuck
Posted 2010-11-15 08:35:47 and read 2983 times.

Quoting Northwest727 (Reply 9):
Why is ZA002, and ZA003 remaining with Boeing?

From Boeing's 2010 Q2 earnings report:
"During 2009, we concluded that the first three flight-test 787 aircraft could not be sold as previously anticipated due to the inordinate amount of rework and unique and extensive modifications made to those aircraft. As a result, costs associated with these aircraft were included in research and development expense. We believe that the other three additional 787 flight test aircraft are commercially saleable and we continue to include costs related to those aircraft in program inventory at June 30, 2010. "

Tom.

Topic: RE: 1st 787/1,000th 767 Joint Delivery To ANA?
Username: Northwest727
Posted 2010-11-15 14:41:55 and read 2736 times.

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 10):

Thanks...so it seems as though Boeing modified the airplanes so much that they are no longer fit for airline use.

Once the program is over, I sense these aircraft will be cut up and used as static fatigue test frames?

Topic: RE: 1st 787/1,000th 767 Joint Delivery To ANA?
Username: tdscanuck
Posted 2010-11-17 20:40:59 and read 2381 times.

Quoting Northwest727 (Reply 11):
so it seems as though Boeing modified the airplanes so much that they are no longer fit for airline use.

I read it as "we can't profitably make them fit for airline use", but I think that's basically the same thing.

Quoting Northwest727 (Reply 11):
Once the program is over, I sense these aircraft will be cut up and used as static fatigue test frames?

They already have a static & fatigue test frame, so I don't think they have any specific need. I'm sure lots of engineers will be drooling over the pieces for studies for years to come.

Tom.

Topic: RE: 1st 787/1,000th 767 Joint Delivery To ANA?
Username: BMI727
Posted 2010-11-17 20:44:36 and read 2376 times.

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 12):
I read it as "we can't profitably make them fit for airline use", but I think that's basically the same thing.

It may not be that the modifications themselves make the planes unsuitable, but the costs of certifying three oddball planes isn't worth it.


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