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Topic: ANA And The 747-400D & 767-300
Username: Loran
Posted 2010-11-18 13:10:51 and read 3942 times.

Hi all,

I just checked and was shocked to see that all but two JAL 747-400D are already in storage and to be scrapped.

Question now, what are ANA's plans with the -400D? How long will they remain in the fleet and what is their replacement?
Also, is the 787 due to replace all of the older 767-300s (non-ER)?

Any insight would be highly appreciated.

Regards,
Loran

Topic: RE: ANA And The 747-400D & 767-300
Username: N471wn
Posted 2010-11-18 13:35:58 and read 3879 times.

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
what are ANA's plans with the -400D

One was scrapped at DMK due to a maintenance error.....

Topic: RE: ANA And The 747-400D & 767-300
Username: mogandoCI
Posted 2010-11-18 13:42:46 and read 3834 times.

ANA can consider acquiring older 773A (non-ER) if they come on the market to replace the 744D. For the 763, just use them to end of lifespan since resale value is zero and no realistic plane on the market to replace it (739 too small, 332 too large)

other than airports like ITM that has banned 4-holers, just keep using them. Newer planes are all optimized for long-haul and ultra-long-haul, so on super short flights like 1-1.5 hours, the 744D's CASM won't be significantly worse than current offerings to a point it's worth it to replace (just yet)

sadly Japanese carriers just NEED to buy Boeing, else the A333 should be a good option too.

Topic: RE: ANA And The 747-400D & 767-300
Username: Loran
Posted 2010-11-18 23:19:23 and read 3545 times.

Quoting N471wn (Reply 1):
One was scrapped at DMK due to a maintenance error.....

I think that ended up in extensive corrosion and was a write-off, but it never impacted their fleet plans for the D version.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 2):
ANA can consider acquiring older 773A (non-ER) if they come on the market to replace the 744D. For the 763, just use them to end of lifespan since resale value is zero and no realistic plane on the market to replace it (739 too small, 332 too large)

other than airports like ITM that has banned 4-holers, just keep using them. Newer planes are all optimized for long-haul and ultra-long-haul, so on super short flights like 1-1.5 hours, the 744D's CASM won't be significantly worse than current offerings to a point it's worth it to replace (just yet)

sadly Japanese carriers just NEED to buy Boeing, else the A333 should be a good option too.

ANA has no more 773 on order, and the non-ER is getting quite old as well. But I think they still have a few 772 to be delivered.

I have not heard of any formal retirement announcements and hope the D versions remains until late 2011. I have heard though that ANA intends to replace all 744s on international routes, but I wonder with which aircraft?

Btw, ANA and JAL are both Airbus customers, although small ones.

Regards,
Loran

Topic: RE: ANA And The 747-400D & 767-300
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2010-11-19 15:11:43 and read 3163 times.

Quoting Loran (Reply 3):
Btw, ANA and JAL are both Airbus customers, although small ones

I wouldn't consider JAL an Airbus customer. Their only Airbus aircraft are the A300s inherited from their merger with JAS.


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