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Topic: BHX News 1
Username: LisbonBearUK
Posted 2010-11-14 00:55:44 and read 9294 times.

It seems BHX doesn't get much coverage on here, so I thought I'd get a thread up and running.

Seems BHX has been re-branded in the past few weeks as merely 'Birmingham Airport' - losing its International monicker. Any reason for this?

BHX still has no services to MAD, LIS, VIE, FCO, BER, BUD....any possibility of WW filling these gaps?

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: LisbonBearUK
Posted 2010-11-14 01:00:50 and read 9281 times.

http://www.birminghammail.net/news/s...council-67-million-97319-27555303/

Forgot to mention this...could be a good move for BHX to get some decent investment.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: TS-IOR
Posted 2010-11-14 01:18:20 and read 9261 times.

I think EMA is within the BHX catchment area and is more suitable for LCCs which already link it to many european points.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: LisbonBearUK
Posted 2010-11-14 01:26:19 and read 9250 times.

U2 pulled out of EMA recently, didn't they?

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: noelg
Posted 2010-11-14 02:14:03 and read 9161 times.

Quoting LisbonBearUK (Reply 3):
U2 pulled out of EMA recently, didn't they?

They did, but replaced by LS and now BE are flying there too.

EMA has always been the LCC hub out of the two airports, with BHX traditionally primarily serving legacy carriers. That is changing somewhat, with BE having a large base at BHX and FR now having a presence as well.

I have always struggled to understand the sheer amount of international airports within the UK, for such a small country that we are. Where we are located, we have MAN, BHX, EMA, DSA, LBA and HUY all within a 1 hour drive. Within a 2 hour drive we also have LPL, LTN, STN, LHR and MME to name just a few. We could fly internationally from any one of these airports, with many of the same carriers operating to multiple airports.

In terms of BHX vs EMA, I think we just have to learn to accept they are what they are, competitor airports within a 30 minute drive of each other. Airlines will switch between the two, and sometimes fly into both as we see now. I don't think you can really split them down as 1 for LCC and 1 for everyone else, in the UK you simply cannot do that.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: PlymSpotter
Posted 2010-11-14 02:33:58 and read 9132 times.

Quoting LisbonBearUK (Thread starter):
BHX still has no services to MAD, LIS, VIE, FCO, BER, BUD....any possibility of WW filling these gaps?

At least a couple of those have been tried by WW before, but were not deemed viable and ended.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2010-11-14 02:49:03 and read 9079 times.

Those reading this thread might be interested in this from BHX itself: http://www.therouteshop.com/birmingham-airport/

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: danfearn77
Posted 2010-11-14 03:27:27 and read 9032 times.

I'm not sure BHX is busy enough to have it's own tread on here, I mean, it's no MAN     

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: mainMAN
Posted 2010-11-14 03:40:24 and read 9001 times.

Quoting danfearn77 (Reply 7):

I'm not sure BHX is busy enough to have it's own tread on here, I mean, it's no MAN

I wouldn't exactly say that 'our' thread is bursting with exciting news!  

The most plausible operator to start BHX to CGN, BER and FCO and MAN to BER and FCO I imagine would be BE when they get hold of their new 175s.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2010-11-14 03:59:29 and read 8956 times.

Per CAA stats, I see that traffic on DXB-BHX-DXB increased by 26% for Sept. 2010 verses Sept. 09, to 43,731. (BHX members will be excited to know that the difference in traffic between DXB-BHX-DXB and DXB-MAN-DXB has narrowed from 9,095 in Sept. 2009 to 5,159 in Sept. 2010.) This 43,731 figure equates to an average (rounded) daily traffic per direction of 729. Based on two daily flights, this is an average per-flight of 364 passengers.

Which configuration of 77W does EK utilise on DXB-BHX-DXB?

It’s a shame we can’t get a breakdown of number of passengers by final destination having connected in DXB.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: danfearn77
Posted 2010-11-14 03:59:50 and read 8963 times.

Quoting mainMAN (Reply 8):

Oh come on, some weeks we've had the news of MAN having to relocate newts and when we have had an airbridge out of service. Epic news I feel!  

I agree with you about BE. At regional airports such as BHX, and to a lessor extent, MAN (   ) BE is the best bet for routes Such as FCO and MAD. I presume with LS now at EMA they wouldn't move into BHX? not even a chance of a couple of 73's to do a few routes?

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: david_itl
Posted 2010-11-14 04:01:25 and read 8953 times.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 9):
Which configuration of 77W does EK utilise on DXB-BHX-DXB?

Believe both flights are now the 442 seat version.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: danfearn77
Posted 2010-11-14 04:08:10 and read 8932 times.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 9):
Which configuration of 77W does EK utilise on DXB-BHX-DXB?

isn't it the 424 configuration 77W?

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: mainMAN
Posted 2010-11-14 04:54:33 and read 8842 times.

Quoting danfearn77 (Reply 10):
Oh come on, some weeks we've had the news of MAN having to relocate newts and when we have had an airbridge out of service. Epic news I feel

Not to mention gallant efforts to save the planet by switching off escalators!

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: LH121GLA
Posted 2010-11-14 05:27:42 and read 8777 times.

Quoting danfearn77 (Reply 12):
isn't it the 424 configuration 77W?

No, it's the 442 seater:

http://www.birminghamairport.co.uk/m...010/07/emirates-capacity-news.aspx

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: DanTaylor2006
Posted 2010-11-14 05:56:34 and read 8745 times.

Relatively old news now, but when I flew through the airport on Saturday 30th October, the new security checkpoint had been open for around a week. This is part of the 'One Terminal' works, although access at the moment is still for Terminal 1 departing passengers only.

It took me a grand total of 2 minutes to pass through, and it's a massive improvement over the old area - much lighter, more airy, and has (as far as I could see) a lot more lanes. I was very impressed. The improvements BHX are making on the whole are great (new Int'l pier, updates to the departure lounge, one terminal works).

I've noticed as well in the bottom of the Millenium Link area, they have put frosted glass screens up and metal barriers - just wondering if this will become the new Arrivals area? I'm not sure but it looks very much like it could be. There's a massive new Costa Coffee opposite now which frees up the old Costa location next to T2 Arrivals to make this new area possible...

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: danfearn77
Posted 2010-11-14 06:31:41 and read 8686 times.

Quoting LH121GLA (Reply 14):

I no, i did post to say i had gt it wrong but it go deleted! I think its incredible on EK's part that they can operate 1xA380 and 3x77W a day from MAN/BHX, especially when you consider the relative proximity of the two.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: david_itl
Posted 2010-11-14 07:15:56 and read 8625 times.

Quoting danfearn77 (Reply 16):
think its incredible on EK's part that they can operate 1xA380 and 3x77W a day from MAN/BHX, especially when you consider the relative proximity of the two.

And in 18 months time, it should be 3 A380s + 2 77Ws. BHX's problem has never really been MAN - it's the proximity to LHR that handicaps it.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: danfearn77
Posted 2010-11-14 07:46:35 and read 8595 times.

Quoting david_itl (Reply 17):

in what way? 2x A380 and 1x77W for MAN and 1xA380 and 1x77W for BHX? your right about LHR but to be fair to BHX they do very well considering LHR is down the road.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: T8KE0FF
Posted 2010-11-14 09:11:16 and read 8282 times.

I would assume we will be seeing some big new routes soon..

- EK replacing the 2x daily 77W service to a single daily A380 service.
- AA flying daily to Chicago
- A Indian airline coming back to BHX. - When AI dropped the India-BHX-YYZ service, it was there second most profitable route, seem silly to me dropping it...
- QR or EY starting a service.
- BA or VS seasonal routes to Orlando...

Shorter routes:
- Swiss using there own metal on routes to ZRH, not the lousy Helvetica Fokkers.
- CGN!


On the rebranding, I really detest the new font. I like the new logo, but the font is just horrible. A simple Helvetica will do nicely here I reckon.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: findingnema
Posted 2010-11-14 09:47:53 and read 8110 times.

I don't think we're going to see BA launch longhaul services from the Midlands again when they've sold of BA Connect, but a lot of your other ideas T8KE0FF make a lot of sense. There is a real market for another one of the Middle Eastern airlines to have at least a daily service to Brum, considering the huge catchment area of people wanting to connect onwards to Asia. I've never understood why the only airlines serving India, other than the short-lived Air India service, have always been 'second rate' carriers like Air Slovakia, or oddball Middle East airlines like Mahan Air or Turkmenistan Airlines. It'd be great to see Air India themselves back as well, as they're really investing in their product and fleet before joining Star Alliance and BHX is something of a Star regional airport with representation from LH, SN, SK, CO and LX. With that in mind, I'd expect to see a merged CO/UA launch ORD, rather than AA relaunching it. It's a major hub for the merged airline, Chicago is one of the US' largest cities and sentimentally is one of Birmingham's official twin cities. I'd also love to see Swiss put their own aircraft on the ZRH route. I've used this twice in the few months, admittedly four sectors in six months isn't scientific and on all the Helvetic sectors the flight was delayed varying between one and three hours and the Fokkers don't equal the comfort of the Airbus.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: david_itl
Posted 2010-11-14 10:33:27 and read 7911 times.

Quoting T8KE0FF (Reply 19):
EK replacing the 2x daily 77W service to a single daily A380 service.

Absolutely not. To replace nearly 900 seats each way with a 600 seat service is not going to happen - itt's all about the connectivity with EK's DXB hub. Hence you'll see an A380 plus a 77W for BHX..

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: ojas
Posted 2010-11-14 12:08:12 and read 7520 times.

Quoting T8KE0FF (Reply 19):
A Indian airline coming back to BHX. - When AI dropped the India-BHX-YYZ service, it was there second most profitable route, seem silly to me dropping it...

Profitable for Air India?   

Quoting T8KE0FF (Reply 19):
QR or EY starting a service.

With QR offering flights to ATQ; it can partially fill the void of a non stop flight.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: DanTaylor2006
Posted 2010-11-14 12:13:00 and read 7499 times.

Quoting T8KE0FF (Reply 19):
- A Indian airline coming back to BHX. - When AI dropped the India-BHX-YYZ service, it was there second most profitable route, seem silly to me dropping it...

I firmly believe AI will return with a BHX to India terminating flight, I just don't know when. They only pulled BHX to preserve slots at LHR, so I expect them to return when they can/want to.

Quoting T8KE0FF (Reply 19):
- QR or EY starting a service.

I'd favour QR on that.

Quoting T8KE0FF (Reply 19):
- BA or VS seasonal routes to Orlando...

With MAN for Orlando and Caribbean services, and LHR/LGW down the other way, I don't see why they would want/need to. BHX seems to trundle along fine with its TOM etc Orlando and Caribbean services. Maybe the 787 will change something, but I'm not hopeful of VS at BHX any time soon... and definitely not BA at all.

Quoting T8KE0FF (Reply 19):
- Swiss using there own metal on routes to ZRH, not the lousy Helvetica Fokkers.

I doubt we'll see the current arrangements changing for a while, except for the occasional operational upgrade. My Fokker flight into BHX was half empty, and the RJ100 wasn't full either. Unless loads pick up drastically I don't see why they would change how it is now. Besides, I actually found the Fokker 100 to be far superior to the RJ100 in terms of legroom and seat width. Not to mention how quiet the cabin is up front. I was impressed... but I guess this is down to personal preference. The recaro seats in Swiss' own metal suck because the legroom forces my knees into the hard backs... so to be able to actually stretch out on the Fokker made for a very pleasant trip.

I like the re-brand. It's fresh, and the new navy blue airport signage that is currently being installed is VERY smart compared to the old signs. Now if only we had a decent marketing team who could promote BHX and pull in some much needed routes... however with Mr Kehoe at the helm, I think it'll be a while before we go anywhere on that front.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: danfearn77
Posted 2010-11-14 12:25:46 and read 7435 times.

Quoting DanTaylor2006 (Reply 23):
but I'm not hopeful of VS at BHX any time soon... and definitely not BA at all.

BA not a hope in hell, and VS i would say VERY unlikely. I agree with you on AI too, they will be back one day.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: LisbonBearUK
Posted 2010-11-17 02:27:26 and read 6148 times.

Are there any services running currently between BHX and BCN?

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: mainMAN
Posted 2010-11-17 04:55:22 and read 6055 times.

Quoting LisbonBearUK (Reply 25):
Are there any services running currently between BHX and BCN?

Not presently, just 3 weekly FR between BHX and GRO. Also summer only flights to REU

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: Ammunition
Posted 2010-11-17 05:10:06 and read 6139 times.

Are FR starting Prague? I see it is selectable from their drop down menu on the dedicated search page (rather than the home page), competing head on with WW if it is the case. Any info on start date? None in the route start date section.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: gilesdavies
Posted 2010-11-17 05:42:01 and read 6108 times.

Is there any plans for Continental to increase services/capacity from BHX to EWR?

A good few years ago CO use to operate a DC-10 on this route and when these were retired they operated a twice daily service with 757's. Over the last few years the service seems to have struggled only operating a single daily 757 and during some winters I think this has only been operated as a 5x weekly service with a 757.

When the DC-10 was flying the route, we also had AA flying to ORD with a 767.

Scheduled services to the USA over recent years seems to have struggled, even the US Airways service to PHL only lasted one summer season.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: iainbhx
Posted 2010-11-17 06:55:15 and read 6044 times.

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 28):
A good few years ago CO use to operate a DC-10 on this route and when these were retired they operated a twice daily service with 757's. Over the last few years the service seems to have struggled only operating a single daily 757 and during some winters I think this has only been operated as a 5x weekly service with a 757.

The 757 is fairly perfect fit for CO on this route and allows what can be up to a 100UKP premium for fares on the route.

[Edited 2010-11-17 07:02:35]

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: iainbhx
Posted 2010-11-17 07:01:59 and read 6032 times.

Quoting T8KE0FF (Reply 19):
EK replacing the 2x daily 77W service to a single daily A380 service.
- AA flying daily to Chicago
- A Indian airline coming back to BHX. - When AI dropped the India-BHX-YYZ service, it was there second most profitable route, seem silly to me dropping it...
- QR or EY starting a service.
- BA or VS seasonal routes to Orlando...

Shorter routes:
- Swiss using there own metal on routes to ZRH, not the lousy Helvetica Fokkers.
- CGN!

I can't see EK wanting to take a drop in the number of seats into BHX by having just one A380. I'm not sure if they might go 3 times a day rather than use the Whalejet to BHX.

AA - I can't see it, there's no OneWorld infrastructure at BHX anymore.

AI - mmm, rumours abound, but a lot of it is just political pressure to fly to ATQ.

QR or EY - it would be nice, but I can't see it happening.

BA will not be seen at BHX for many years, VS, I can't see it.

LX will probably persist with the horrible Fokker 100, as another poster says, the loads are a bit variable. The problem is that the Fokker is not liked by many business class travellers.

CGN has failed a couple of time. I have to fly to CGN about three times a year, DUS does me fine. LH has a good service to DUS.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: BHXDTW
Posted 2010-11-17 07:54:45 and read 5970 times.

I think we'll see another US carrier at BHX at somepoint in the future.

My money's on DL to ATL or AA to JFK.

AI will be back. Any idea whats happening to their european hub idea ? ... wasnt BHX a contender ?

I used to know some of the staff at BHX, in the offices that approach airlines etc... it was always interesting to here who they would be approaching next etc... they obviously couldnt go into details too much, but they'd always throw me a name.. pre DL/NW I remember them pursuing NW for a DTW link, that... even I had to say was a real longshot.

I like to think too that once (eventually) the runway is lengthened then we'll see a far eastern airline. Especially with the space restrictions at LHR and the fact that a lot of travellers who fly to LHR also trek north towards Birmingham to visit Stratford, The Cotswolds, Wales etc ... I think it would make some reasonable sense.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: DanTaylor2006
Posted 2010-11-17 08:11:16 and read 5942 times.

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 31):
AI will be back. Any idea whats happening to their european hub idea ? ... wasnt BHX a contender ?

Indeed, along with Dublin and... I think somewhere in Spain?? I can't recall exactly, but I know BHX and DUB were definitely 2 of the 3 main contenders. DUB then got the edge by having US pre-clearance in its new T2, and then finally I believe AI decided to drop the idea entirely and fly non-stop instead. That's what I've gleaned from the web anyway.

I'd rather they concentrate on re-establishing a link to India first, than this hub idea that was clearly going nowhere in the end.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: CHRISBA777ER
Posted 2010-11-17 08:11:45 and read 5950 times.

Quoting danfearn77 (Reply 18):
Quoting david_itl (Reply 17):

in what way? 2x A380 and 1x77W for MAN and 1xA380 and 1x77W for BHX? your right about LHR but to be fair to BHX they do very well considering LHR is down the road.

Imagine, by 2015 we'll more than likely have quadruple daily A388 service at LHR plus a daily 77W, triple daily A388 plus a daily 77W at LGW, triple daily A380 at MAN, A380 twice daily at BHX, double daily 77W at EDI and GLA, plus daily 77W to NCL, and daily or five times weekly A332 to BFS, BRS and ABZ. Thats the thick end of 9,500 seats DXB-UK daily.

.....And then the A350s and A389s arrive lol

And people wonder what they are going to do with all that metal they have on order - simple answer - ORDER MORE!

[Edited 2010-11-17 08:12:45]

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: LHR27C
Posted 2010-11-17 08:25:38 and read 5930 times.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 33):
daily or five times weekly A332 to BFS, BRS and ABZ

No chance EK would be able to get an A332 out of BRS or ABZ without a substantial runway extension.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: BHXDTW
Posted 2010-11-17 08:37:15 and read 5904 times.

Quoting LHR27C (Reply 34):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 33):
daily or five times weekly A332 to BFS, BRS and ABZ

No chance EK would be able to get an A332 out of BRS or ABZ without a substantial runway extension.

Its EK.... They'll find a way.  

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: CHRISBA777ER
Posted 2010-11-17 09:52:30 and read 5850 times.

Quoting LHR27C (Reply 34):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 33):
daily or five times weekly A332 to BFS, BRS and ABZ

No chance EK would be able to get an A332 out of BRS or ABZ without a substantial runway extension

I have often wondered why none of the MEG carriers do not serve ABZ. For the oil and gas traffic alone it makes sense - tag it to connect to a SIN and a MNL and you'll have an absolute winner.

QR could get an A319LR out of there, surely?

I guess EK could tag ABZ onto an EDI flight? The runway cant be too short for an A332 to get off for EDI, surely?

As for BHX - they have a short runway too. An A388 will never be anywhere near MTOW for a BHX-DXB run, but it might get close to it if there are substantial Brummie backsides in every seat, and a hold full of cargo etc. Would an A380 ever have issues getting off BHX?

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: Ozair
Posted 2010-11-17 10:08:33 and read 5836 times.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 36):
Would an A380 ever have issues getting off BHX?


I think it was Astute that said if the 77W can get out of BHX then there should be no issue for the A380 (and provided some rough figures but it's late where I am right now). I can't see EK sending an A380 to BHX though until they start fitting out 2-class versions. There just wouldn't be the premium traffic to support such a heavy F and J load.

Quoting DanTaylor2006 (Reply 15):
Relatively old news now, but when I flew through the airport on Saturday 30th October, the new security checkpoint had been open for around a week. This is part of the 'One Terminal' works, although access at the moment is still for Terminal 1 departing passengers only.

It took me a grand total of 2 minutes to pass through, and it's a massive improvement over the old area - much lighter, more airy, and has (as far as I could see) a lot more lanes. I was very impressed. The improvements BHX are making on the whole are great (new Int'l pier, updates to the departure lounge, one terminal works).


I'm making my annual "visit the in-laws" trip post christmas into BHX and will be excited to see the changes. It makes such a difference for us to fly through BHX. I would rather it stay relatively quiet though so it remains an easy airport to get in and out of.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: BHXDTW
Posted 2010-11-17 10:23:34 and read 5813 times.

Quoting Ozair (Reply 37):
I can't see EK sending an A380 to BHX though until they start fitting out 2-class versions. There just wouldn't be the premium traffic to support such a heavy F and J load.

How many seats does EK have in F on their A380's ? .... Because the 77W they send also has an F class, I just dont think they market it ... or something like that. I never understood how they worked it for the BHX run.

I think they'll send an A380 soon enough, maybe combined with a daily A330 ?

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: DanTaylor2006
Posted 2010-11-17 10:35:37 and read 5797 times.

I think it's pretty much widely accepted that BHX will not be getting an A380 until EK get their 2-class variant. I don't know the deal with F class on the current 77W's and whether it's sold or how well, but I know at one point a few years ago they were not selling F even when it had it onboard. Like I say, I'm unsure of the situation now.

A piece of old news I just recalled was regarding Mahan Air and their plans to lease an A340-300 and send it to BHX to increase capacity at certain points. I presume this never got off the ground at all, since I've never heard anything since? Shame, from an enthusiast perspective, since we rarely get A340's!

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: BHXDTW
Posted 2010-11-17 10:41:23 and read 5789 times.

... I heard that too.

I just noticed that T5 are now sending a 738 to BHX .... Is that in place of all 757 movements or is it additional ? ... It would be a shame to lose a 757 operator, especially T5.... They've been going for at least 10 years now !

J

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: Ozair
Posted 2010-11-17 10:49:31 and read 5774 times.

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 38):
Because the 77W they send also has an F class
Quoting DanTaylor2006 (Reply 39):
I don't know the deal with F class on the current 77W's

EK's 77Ws flying to BHX are only 2-class J and Y aircraft. No F class seats at all.
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Emi...rlines_Boeing_777-300ER_2class.php

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: flybhx764
Posted 2010-11-17 10:59:36 and read 5771 times.

Air India is returning to BHX. Have to wait for the 787's though. However it will be service to DEL and not ATQ, this will give a chance for passengers to connect to ATQ, LUH and all other airports. T5 needs some competition.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: LisbonBearUK
Posted 2010-11-17 11:00:30 and read 5767 times.

What happened to Spanair's plans for BHX? Are they to be revisited?

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: iainbhx
Posted 2010-11-17 11:04:35 and read 5769 times.

Quoting Ozair (Reply 37):
I think it was Astute that said if the 77W can get out of BHX then there should be no issue for the A380 (and provided some rough figures but it's late where I am right now). I can't see EK sending an A380 to BHX though until they start fitting out 2-class versions. There just wouldn't be the premium traffic to support such a heavy F and J load.

EK's J traffic, I am told is surprisingly good out of BHX. There's a lot of people who like to do make an impression on VFR trips these days. F class is not sold on the 77W publically, but I am told EK will happily operate it if they have a booking for a certain number of seats.

The hints I have been getting is that EK may go 3 daily before BHX gets a 380, but I've heard conflicting stories recently.

Quoting Ozair (Reply 37):
I'm making my annual "visit the in-laws" trip post christmas into BHX and will be excited to see the changes. It makes such a difference for us to fly through BHX. I would rather it stay relatively quiet though so it remains an easy airport to get in and out of.

The improvements are coming on apace, although I'm not convinced the new security is any faster, it certainly hasn't been for me so far. My only real complaint these days is the dire Baggage Hall (and the speed at which bags appear - although that has been getting better).

By the end of the year, I will have made 16 trips - 12 business, 3 leisure, 1 business/leisure. Only one of them won't be ex-BHX and that's because I have a hankering to try Singapore Suites. I wonder why I wasted so much time between 1997 and 2007 trekking to LHR so much.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: DanTaylor2006
Posted 2010-11-17 11:11:58 and read 5754 times.

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 40):
Is that in place of all 757 movements or is it additional ?

The 738's are in place of the 757 for the majority, if not all, flights.

Quoting flybhx764 (Reply 42):
Air India is returning to BHX. Have to wait for the 787's though.

I figured the 787's would be involved somehow.

Quoting LisbonBearUK (Reply 43):
What happened to Spanair's plans for BHX? Are they to be revisited?

I doubt it at the moment, although a route to BCN/MAD wouldn't go a miss. Considering they just upped and left because of 'tough economic times meaning slow ticket sales,' I don't think they'll be back in the immediate future. Maybe someone else will give it a go... and not pull the plug before it's even started.

[Edited 2010-11-17 11:14:42]

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: ojas
Posted 2010-11-17 11:33:26 and read 5733 times.

Quoting iainbhx (Reply 30):
AI - mmm, rumours abound, but a lot of it is just political pressure to fly to ATQ.

QR or EY - it would be nice, but I can't see it happening.

QR is likely to add BHX soon for sure.

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 31):
AI will be back.
Quoting DanTaylor2006 (Reply 32):
Indeed, along with Dublin and
Quoting DanTaylor2006 (Reply 32):
DUB then got the edge by having US pre-clearance in its new T2, and then finally I believe AI decided to drop the idea entirely and fly non-stop instead. That's what I've gleaned from the web anyway.

Air India is not coming anywhere near DUB, and BHX will not be online at least for another year and a half for sure. However political compulsions may force it to fly to BHX. Given the Govt's refusal to inject more cash into the airline for operational needs, Air India might even drop CDG and FRA.

And as far as the hub in DUB and all that is concerned, the idea is long dead. AI is already flying non stop to YYZ, ORD, JFK from DEL and to EWR from BOM (BOM - JFK is switched to BOM - EWR).

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: BHXDTW
Posted 2010-11-17 11:41:42 and read 5714 times.

Quoting DanTaylor2006 (Reply 45):
Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 40):
Is that in place of all 757 movements or is it additional ?

The 738's are in place of the 757 for the majority, if not all, flights.

Anyone know why ? I'm obviously guessing its load's .... but what are they doing with the spare 757 then ? ... I know that they have a fairly modern fleet... (uber modern for that part of the world anyway) ...

I wonder if jet will get in before AI returns ? ..

Anyone know how TK is fairing ? ... hopefully good.

I dont know if anyones seen the percentage increase for October 2010.

Las Palmas 551.0%, Fuerteventura 472.3%, Ibiza 370.8%, Ashkhabad 296.2%, Arrecife 116.7%, Bydgoszcz 87.1%, Tenerife 60.5%, Gothenburg 58.1%, Larnaca 51.8%, Krakow 39.8%, Zurich 36.6%, Faro 35.8%, Hamburg 32.0% and Milan 31.3%.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: DanTaylor2006
Posted 2010-11-17 12:07:41 and read 5677 times.

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 47):
Anyone know how TK is fairing ? ... hopefully good.

Loads have been hovering around 70% give or take a little, so not too bad. No idea on yield though.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: ojas
Posted 2010-11-17 12:10:12 and read 5683 times.

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 47):
I wonder if jet will get in before AI returns ? ..

Neither of them. The next destination in the UK, whenever that comes up, is most likely to be MAN.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: BHXDTW
Posted 2010-11-17 12:18:02 and read 5680 times.

Quoting ojas (Reply 49):
Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 47):
I wonder if jet will get in before AI returns ? ..

Neither of them. The next destination in the UK, whenever that comes up, is most likely to be MAN.

Hang on... I thought BHX was doing great for AI and the only reason it was dropped was to keep slots at LHR ?? ... If they have the available aircraft, why not open up a route again that was making money ? ....

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: david_itl
Posted 2010-11-17 12:19:26 and read 5686 times.

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 50):
If they have the available aircraft, why not open up a route again that was making money ? ....

I agree tha AI is destined back for BHX. Apparently 9W is the airline for MAN.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: BHXDTW
Posted 2010-11-17 13:05:43 and read 5712 times.

Quoting david_itl (Reply 51):
Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 50):
If they have the available aircraft, why not open up a route again that was making money ? ....

I agree tha AI is destined back for BHX. Apparently 9W is the airline for MAN.

The only problem with that is, if 9W attempt MAN will that scare AI off from coming back to BHX ?

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: david_itl
Posted 2010-11-17 13:18:16 and read 5714 times.

MAN and BHX are different markets -we can't quantify the numbers flying MAN-BOM via orher carriers, but LH consistently states it's one of the main destinations for their long-haul business travellers ex-MAN so 9W may just be after some of that market.

For BHX, it's got a much bigger local market to tap into - again no prospects that it's not low yield but given the routes apparent previous profitability, it should be a "no-brainer" for them to start ops again. BHX problem is LHR and not what happens at MAN. When AA culled BHX services, all the local business travellers did not go up to MAN to fly AA to ORD from there.... they went to LHR instead. There's a need for the local businesses to be reminded of the options available out of BHX as and when routes are added. Perhaps taking a full page ad in the local chamber of commerce newsletter citing the routes available and mailshots are the way to go -"ordinary" passengers will find these services easily enough but its the business class that want to desert the available long-haul routes ex-BHX

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: BHXDTW
Posted 2010-11-17 13:31:12 and read 5698 times.

Quoting david_itl (Reply 53):
Perhaps taking a full page ad in the local chamber of commerce newsletter citing the routes available and mailshots are the way to go -"ordinary" passengers will find these services easily enough but its the business class that want to desert the available long-haul routes ex-BHX

dont forget the corporate travel agents. Before I moved here to DTW I was a corporate travel consultant in Birmingham. Even though a lot of people book online, a vast majority of big firms book with a travel management firm. BHX needs to start going around and plugging the routes to these guys.

One girl used to do this. She would go around with a couple of different airline reps who were plugging their BHX - XXX route... to be honest though it was always a bit lackluster

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: DanTaylor2006
Posted 2010-11-17 13:31:15 and read 5698 times.

Quoting david_itl (Reply 53):
There's a need for the local businesses to be reminded of the options available out of BHX as and when routes are added. Perhaps taking a full page ad in the local chamber of commerce newsletter citing the routes available and mailshots are the way to go

That's far too much like marketing for BHX! They couldn't possibly be seen 'advertising' the airport...

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: flybhx764
Posted 2010-11-17 14:29:26 and read 5663 times.

AI is coming back to BHX, will be from DEL, 9W or IT will not be flying to BHX. However I think Qatar Airways will start BHX to later on. With IT codesharing with BA they will not fly to any other UK airport. At one time Gulf air wanted to start service and then they never. BHX does well on T5 and HY back then. Not much business and first class passengers. Take CO 26/27 for instance, they cannot fill the business first seats, that is why they do not upgrade the aircraft, economy sells well. BHX is more a leisure flights airport. Would like it to do better.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: gilesdavies
Posted 2010-11-17 15:32:01 and read 5598 times.

Quoting DanTaylor2006 (Reply 55):
Quoting david_itl (Reply 53):
There's a need for the local businesses to be reminded of the options available out of BHX as and when routes are added. Perhaps taking a full page ad in the local chamber of commerce newsletter citing the routes available and mailshots are the way to go

That's far too much like marketing for BHX! They couldn't possibly be seen 'advertising' the airport...

To be fair to Birmingham Airport they regularly promote new routes...

When US Airways started their BHX-PHL service this route was heavily promoted throughout the region, aimed at many markets...

It was heavily marketed throughout newspapers in the Midlands (even the Northampton Chronicle where I live), on billboards and promoted throughout local chambers of commerce.

Despite all this, the route only lasted one summer period.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: PlymSpotter
Posted 2010-11-17 16:55:02 and read 5560 times.

Quoting LHR27C (Reply 34):

No chance EK would be able to get an A332 out of BRS or ABZ without a substantial runway extension.

It's being considered for BRS, but they understandably want assurances that the runway will be extended in the future because whilst the A330-200 could operate the service with relatively little restriction, it's highly unlikely that the A350-900 could then take over as the 330s are retired. No point starting something which is essentially limited in lifespan.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: ojas
Posted 2010-11-17 20:13:35 and read 5506 times.

Quoting david_itl (Reply 51):
I agree tha AI is destined back for BHX.
Quoting flybhx764 (Reply 56):
AI is coming back to BHX, will be from DEL, 9W or IT will not be flying to BHX.
AI is not coming to BHX for the next two years, there could be a wild possibility that DEL - LHR would go down from 2 daily to 1 daily.

However if they are arm-twisted by the govt. to come to BHX, they may come in 2012 but not before that.

[Edited 2010-11-17 20:14:35]

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: iainbhx
Posted 2010-11-17 23:30:19 and read 5471 times.

Quoting flybhx764 (Reply 56):
AI is coming back to BHX, will be from DEL, 9W or IT will not be flying to BHX. However I think Qatar Airways will start BHX to later on. With IT codesharing with BA they will not fly to any other UK airport. At one time Gulf air wanted to start service and then they never. BHX does well on T5 and HY back then. Not much business and first class passengers. Take CO 26/27 for instance, they cannot fill the business first seats, that is why they do not upgrade the aircraft, economy sells well. BHX is more a leisure flights airport. Would like it to do better.

I just looked at availibility on the CO for the next week and it looks like on all but one day at least 50% of the J cabin is sold, but yes, the 757 is the right fit.

The political pressure on the UK side is not for DEL but for ATQ, mainly from political leaders in the Sikh community. Of course, it's mainly VFR traffic, but it's a community which is becoming rather better off. If it went to DEL, a lot of people will stick to their current routes.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: offloaded
Posted 2010-11-18 08:52:31 and read 5274 times.

I was reading about BHX this week, but can't remember where dammit! Someone was saying that they have suffered a lot less cutbacks due to a good mix of LCC's (FR, ZB), short haul legacies (KL, LH), charters (Thmoson, Thos Cook) and longhaul (EK, CO). Also the improved rail link to Bham Intl to LON, and when it goes high speed it'll only be about 40 mins journey time. They seemed to think the lack of 3rd runway for LHR was a good thing for BHX.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: flybhx764
Posted 2010-11-18 11:12:35 and read 5194 times.

Quoting ojas (Reply 59):
AI is not coming to BHX for the next two years, there could be a wild possibility that DEL - LHR would go down from 2 daily to 1 daily.

However if they are arm-twisted by the govt. to come to BHX, they may come in 2012 but not before that

AI are looking to start bhx around early 2012 and with the 787 as the 777 is too big. The service will not be to ATQ just DEL so passengers will get to fly to amritsar or ludhiana. When AI flew YYZ-BHX-ATQ-BHX-YYZ it was the canadians who flew first/business class. BHX pax just flew economy really. It will be nice to see Qatar airways start service. However I have heard an airline at Birmingham is looking at Amritsar, once my friend comes back to me and confirms it, I will post it on here.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: flybhx764
Posted 2010-11-18 12:14:34 and read 5136 times.

An article that may be interesting to you about BHX approaching AI. Also has AI chose there european hub yet?

http://www.itv.com/central-west/indian-trade-boost62364/

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: david_itl
Posted 2010-11-18 12:35:03 and read 5113 times.

Quoting flybhx764 (Reply 63):
Also has AI chose there european hub yet?

There is to be no European hub. They're using the 777s as they were meant to be used and operating long non-stops out of DEL and BOM and feeding the flights internally.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: fruitbat
Posted 2010-11-18 12:49:38 and read 5110 times.

Quoting flybhx764 (Reply 56):
they cannot fill the business first seats, that is why they do not upgrade the aircraft,

Flew BHX - EWR at the end of October-ish and got CO's new business first seats westbound. Decent they were too. Food was a bit ropey. Shame it was the old seats coming back when I could have used a decent kip  

To be honest I found it to be the most convenient way to the US/Canada that i've found yet. Decent 9am departure time (into EWR before midday local time), so lots of decent connections onwards. It's more convenient than MAN (for me 45 mins rather than 75 mins driving) and best of all avoids London totally. Only slight downside, the lounge is a bit pants but you can't have it all!

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: ojas
Posted 2010-11-18 23:16:34 and read 4967 times.

Quoting flybhx764 (Reply 63):
An article that may be interesting to you about BHX approaching AI.

Yes, BHX and many others will try to tempt AI, but the discussion that is ongoing in the parliament suggests something else. As I mentioned even FRA and CDG under scanner ... so there is virtually no chance of BHX coming up. A fresh example is how MEL is conveniently dropped due to refusal of of any further injection of cash by the ministry. DEL - MEL was announced by AI, so many sweet deals by MEL airport to woo Air India; but still there is no sign of anything progressing.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: flybhx764
Posted 2010-11-19 14:16:01 and read 4674 times.

Quoting ojas (Reply 66):
Yes, BHX and many others will try to tempt AI, but the discussion that is ongoing in the parliament suggests something else. As I mentioned even FRA and CDG under scanner ... so there is virtually no chance of BHX coming up. A fresh example is how MEL is conveniently dropped due to refusal of of any further injection of cash by the ministry. DEL - MEL was announced by AI, so many sweet deals by MEL airport to woo Air India; but still there is no sign of anything progressing.

AI will be back. Would prefer IT though

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: david_itl
Posted 2010-11-20 03:09:47 and read 4526 times.

Opening at 12 it seems.

BHX departures showing this:
Hannover Air Berlin AB 3714 15:35 1
Hannover Royal Air Force RR 5014 15:35 1

Since when does the RAF codeshare with an airline?! Or is there an RAF aircraft parked up?

[Edited 2010-11-20 03:10:09]

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: mainMAN
Posted 2010-11-20 07:59:13 and read 4366 times.

Quoting david_itl (Reply 68):
Since when does the RAF codeshare with an airline?! Or is there an RAF aircraft parked up?

That'll be an Ad hoc charter on behalf of the RAF (to one of the bases). Air Berlin don't operate into BHX with the exception of these.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: hammerb32
Posted 2010-11-21 08:01:26 and read 4115 times.

I'm pretty sure Aire Berlin fly twice weekly from BHX to Padernorn and Hannover, both are on behalf of the RAF.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: Ozair
Posted 2010-11-22 01:08:27 and read 3939 times.

Quoting iainbhx (Reply 44):
EK's J traffic, I am told is surprisingly good out of BHX. There's a lot of people who like to do make an impression on VFR trips these days. F class is not sold on the 77W publically, but I am told EK will happily operate it if they have a booking for a certain number of seats.

I am surprised to hear that but maybe that is related to the flights I am on as I have rarely seen the J class have more than two or three people. I don't think I choose the most business friendly days to travel though.


Quoting iainbhx (Reply 44):
The hints I have been getting is that EK may go 3 daily before BHX gets a 380, but I've heard conflicting stories recently.

Looking at the EK route and block timings thresd that was posted a couple of weeks ago it would be interesting to see where they squeezed this in. I also think cargo is a good revenue source out of BHX for EK so it certainly wouldn't surprise me to see a third daily using a 77W, perhaps from above with one of the three being an 3 class aircraft.


Quoting iainbhx (Reply 44):
and the speed at which bags appear

I've had a couple of shockers with this!

Quoting fruitbat (Reply 65):
Only slight downside, the lounge is a bit pants but you can't have it all!

Any indications that this will be improved/modernized with the other works going on?

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: Eurohub
Posted 2010-11-22 14:57:54 and read 3661 times.

Quoting iainbhx (Reply 30):

LX will probably persist with the horrible Fokker 100, as another poster says, the loads are a bit variable. The problem is that the Fokker is not liked by many business class travellers.

I would agree with that sentiment and have switched my business from BHX-ZRH to MAN-BSL and MAN-ZRH even though BHX is both easier to get to from home and is my favourite airport. The LX crews seem to care more about J pax than their counterparts at Helvetic, although that's just my opinion based on my own experiences.

Regards,
Eurohub

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: DanTaylor2006
Posted 2010-11-25 05:50:28 and read 3505 times.

For those who don't read the MAN threads, BMI Baby are switching their operations from Belfast International to Belfast City effective 10th January 2011.

Great news, I really really dislike International, City is far more convenient and cheaper to get to. Hopefully the fares to City will be relatively competitive what with FlyBe on the route too.


Edit: Appears I missed the topic on it here.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4993550/

[Edited 2010-11-25 05:55:44]

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: DanTaylor2006
Posted 2010-12-01 05:30:46 and read 3163 times.

How is BHX faring in the current weather? I know back home (16 miles from BHX) they've had an inch or so, don't imagine it'd cause too many troubles. Does anyone know if BHX has accepted any diverts from the closed LGW etc? I remember we had a few LGW diverts last year/earlier this year.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: iainbhx
Posted 2010-12-01 05:54:49 and read 3114 times.

Quoting DanTaylor2006 (Reply 74):
How is BHX faring in the current weather? I know back home (16 miles from BHX) they've had an inch or so, don't imagine it'd cause too many troubles. Does anyone know if BHX has accepted any diverts from the closed LGW etc? I remember we had a few LGW diverts last year/earlier this year.

I doubt if we've even had an inch.

It was fine on Monday when I managed to come in from FRA after a long delay and I understand it accepted several diversions from MAN last night and a couple from LGW this morning (two BA 772's have been mentioned).

It is snowing in Birmingham now, but it's not serious at the moment.

Topic: RE: BHX News 1
Username: dc10bhx
Posted 2010-12-01 05:54:51 and read 3118 times.

Yes we have had some diverts into BHX today (at least 2 BA T7's, a TOM 763 & 737 plus others). I have not seen anything else pop on the boards as yet for today. It is doubtful that we will see much more unless MAN / LHR go out for any reason.

We are getting regular flurries of the white stuff but nowhere near as heavy as other parts of the UK.


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