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Topic: Any European Carriers Fly Transpac?
Username: zrs70
Posted 2011-02-27 18:30:04 and read 7336 times.

We have Asian carriers flying transatlantic (SQ).

We've had US and Oceana carriers fly Europe-Asia (UA, PA, QF, NZ).

But have any European carriers flown transpacific? I suppose AF LAX-Tahiti counts.

[Edited 2011-02-27 18:38:27]

Topic: RE: Any European Carriers Fly Transpac?
Username: LX64A332
Posted 2011-02-27 18:37:27 and read 7310 times.

Not today no...
However, before the dissolution if the USSR, many European airlines flew to the far east via ANC.

Topic: RE: Any European Carriers Fly Transpac?
Username: cedarjet
Posted 2011-02-27 19:04:44 and read 7235 times.

BOAC used to fly LHR-SFO-HNL-SYD. Most exotic of all, a scheduled flight that didn't go within 5,000 mi of home: Tokyo all the way to the Seychelles via HK, Colombo et al. All of this was with VC10, and possibly Britannia before that. Also, I think they flew across the northern Pacific, SFO-HND. Also VC10.

UTA used to fly on from LAX to the S Pacific. California to Noumea by DC8 and, later, DC10 and 747-200. Nice.

Air-India flew India-SE Asia-Sydney-Fiji, serving Fiji's majority Indian-descent population, equipment was Rolls-Royce powered 707-437.

Since we're on the subject of exotic fifth freedom, don't forget Qantas flew SYD-NAN-HNL-SFO-JFK-LHR and SYD-S Pacific-Acapulco-MEX-NAS-LHR. Two different N Atlantic crossings! All by 707. The Atlantic crossings ended in 1970 and the services terminated in NY. Later, NY was dropped (747-200 was too much aeroplane) but reinstated in the late 90s.

Topic: RE: Any European Carriers Fly Transpac?
Username: Coronado990
Posted 2011-02-27 19:06:24 and read 7228 times.

Quoting zrs70 (Thread starter):
But have any European carriers flown transpacific?

The ones that first come to mind were BOAC and UTA.

Topic: RE: Any European Carriers Fly Transpac?
Username: cloudyapple
Posted 2011-02-27 19:46:17 and read 7122 times.

Air France to Papetee.

Topic: RE: Any European Carriers Fly Transpac?
Username: OP3000
Posted 2011-02-27 20:04:43 and read 7064 times.

Quoting cloudyapple (Reply 4):
Air France to Papetee.

   CDG-LAX-PPT.

Topic: RE: Any European Carriers Fly Transpac?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2011-02-27 20:06:27 and read 7060 times.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 2):
BOAC used to fly LHR-SFO-HNL-SYD.

I can't recall that route operating nonstop LHR-SFO and there was a stop in NAN. I think it was LHR-JFK-SFO-HNL-NAN-SYD. They later changed the SFO stop to LAX (about the time the Super VC-10 replaced the 707 on that route). Their original transpacific route was LHR-JFK-SFO-HNL-HND-HKG, originally with the Britannia and then the 707 after the first year or so. The Britannia sometimes had to make a fuel stop at Wake Island between HNL and HND. For a while (until both routes were dropped in the early to mid-1970s) both routes operated simultaneously. Must have been very unprofitable with all those US domestic sectors without any local traffic rights, although they could permit online stopovers for international passengers.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 2):
don't forget Qantas flew SYD-NAN-HNL-SFO-JFK-LHR and SYD-S Pacific-Acapulco-MEX-NAS-LHR.

If memory corret, the QF "Fiesta Route" via Mexico was SYD-NAN-PPT-ACA-MEX-NAS-BDA-LHR, with 5th freedom rights everywhere except the cabotage sectors ACA-MEX and BDA-LHR. Probably also NAS-BDA and NAS-LHR, at least until 1973 when the Bahamas became independent. Until then those sectors have been domestic cabotage routes like BDA-LHR.

AF also once operated an interesting transpacific route with 707s, CDG-CAY (Cayenne, French Guiana)-LIM-PPT-HND (CDG may have been ORY and NRT may have been HND, depending when thar route operated). It didn't last very long. I think it was sometime in the 1970s.

Topic: RE: Any European Carriers Fly Transpac?
Username: SR4ever
Posted 2011-03-04 12:36:35 and read 6272 times.

20 yrs ago, AF and UT would operate the following routes:

- PPT-NRT (AF, 747 or 74M)

- NOU-NRT (UT, D10)

- NOU-PPT nonstop (UT, D10)

- NOU-PPT-WLS (UT, 737)

Topic: RE: Any European Carriers Fly Transpac?
Username: Aesma
Posted 2011-03-04 15:06:59 and read 6049 times.

Do TN flights count ?

Topic: RE: Any European Carriers Fly Transpac?
Username: SR4ever
Posted 2011-03-05 02:45:11 and read 5764 times.

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 7):
NOU-PPT-WLS (UT, 737)

NOU-WLS-PPT, sorry

Topic: RE: Any European Carriers Fly Transpac?
Username: koruman
Posted 2011-03-05 03:21:27 and read 5680 times.

Sure, there is an EU carrier whose aircraft have the prefix F- which flies Paris-Los Angeles - Papeete - Auckland and Papeete-Tokyo.

That would be Air Tahiti Nui.

Topic: RE: Any European Carriers Fly Transpac?
Username: AirGabon
Posted 2011-03-05 03:39:18 and read 5647 times.

AOM at the end had a flight LAX-NOUMEA non-stop A340

Air Calin is still flying from NOUMEA to ICN, KIX and NRT (A330)

Virgin has SYD-HKG (not really transpac, but a bit)

SU in the past was flying from KHV and VVO to ANC, SEA and SFO

Topic: RE: Any European Carriers Fly Transpac?
Username: timz
Posted 2011-03-05 13:24:00 and read 5284 times.

Lufthansa has flown cargo across the Pacific; do they still?

Topic: RE: Any European Carriers Fly Transpac?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2011-03-05 13:30:40 and read 5269 times.

Quoting timz (Reply 12):
Lufthansa has flown cargo across the Pacific; do they still?

I believe Cargolux operates (or did at one time) around-the-world service. I seem to recall them operating a routing between Asia and Europe via Canada some years ago.

Topic: RE: Any European Carriers Fly Transpac?
Username: VV701
Posted 2011-03-05 14:45:02 and read 5100 times.

BOAC flight 911 used to operate SFO-HNL-FUK-HND-HKG. My reason for remembering this is regretable. On 5 March 1966 BOAC 704, G-APFE, disintegrated in mid air during this flight. All 113 passengers and 11 crew were killed in the accident that was near Mount Fuji.

HKG then fell into the same category for BOAC as PPT does today fror Air France. So, I do not think there was a US trans-continental or, indeed, a trans-Atlantic leg to this flight, although I may be mistaken about this.

I also recall BOAC starting a regular scheduled round-the-world service flown by a Bristol Britannia 312. This may have been sometime in the summer of 1959.

Topic: RE: Any European Carriers Fly Transpac?
Username: OP3000
Posted 2011-03-05 14:54:15 and read 5079 times.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 14):
BOAC flight 911 used to operate SFO-HNL-FUK-HND-HKG. My reason for remembering this is regretable. On 5 March 1966 BOAC 704, G-APFE, disintegrated in mid air during this flight. All 113 passengers and 11 crew were killed in the accident that was near Mount Fuji.

HKG then fell into the same category for BOAC as PPT does today fror Air France. So, I do not think there was a US trans-continental or, indeed, a trans-Atlantic leg to this flight, although I may be mistaken about this.

Very Interesting. Any recolletion of other HKG-based routes to non-UK destinations for BOAC (other than the Kangaroo route)?

Topic: RE: Any European Carriers Fly Transpac?
Username: VV701
Posted 2011-03-05 14:57:58 and read 5068 times.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 14):
I also recall BOAC starting a regular scheduled round-the-world service flown by a Bristol Britannia 312. This may have been sometime in the summer of 1959.

Have just found this. Scroll down to 20 August 1959:

http://www.britishairways.com/travel/history-1950-1959/public/en_us

and this:

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19660305-1

Sorry. Should have looked for these links before my earlier post.

Topic: RE: Any European Carriers Fly Transpac?
Username: VV701
Posted 2011-03-05 15:10:59 and read 5027 times.

Quoting OP3000 (Reply 15):
Any recolletion of other HKG-based routes to non-UK destinations for BOAC (other than the Kangaroo route)?

Their all-jet round-the-world service started on 3 December 1960:

http://www.britishairways.com/travel/history-1960-1969/public/en_us

Topic: RE: Any European Carriers Fly Transpac?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2011-03-05 15:14:47 and read 5017 times.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 14):
BOAC flight 911 used to operate SFO-HNL-FUK-HND-HKG. My reason for remembering this is regretable. On 5 March 1966 BOAC 704, G-APFE, disintegrated in mid air during this flight. All 113 passengers and 11 crew were killed in the accident that was near Mount Fuji.

I can't recall BOAC ever serving Fukuoka, Japan on that route. They did often make a fuel stop at Wake Island (AWK) between HNL and HND, mainly during the brief period when the Britannia was used before being replaced with the 707-436 a year or so later. Do you have something showing FUK as a regular stop on that route?

Topic: RE: Any European Carriers Fly Transpac?
Username: VV701
Posted 2011-03-05 16:40:00 and read 4906 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 18):
Do you have something showing FUK as a regular stop on that route?


No, I don't.

Now I've done some searching and can see why I thought that FUK was a scheduled stop on the BOAC trans-Pacific route. It was not. But Flight 911 did route SFO-HNL-FUK-HND-HKG arriving at FUK on 4 March 1960. However what was an over-night stop-over at FUK was not scheduled. The aircraft had diverted there from HND.

If I had fully read my own links I would have seen this. In my second link in Reply 16 the accident report says:

"BOAC Flight 911 was a scheduled service from San Francisco (SFO) to Hong Kong (HKG) via Honolulu (HNL) and Tokyo (HND). The Boeing 707 was expected to arrive at Tokyo Airport at 16:45 on 4 March. However, due to poor meteorological conditions at Tokyo and because the precision approach radar (PAR) of the GCA was out of service, it diverted to Fukuoka (FUK) and landed there at 18:00. After staying overnight at Fukuoka, Flight 911 left for Tokyo at 11:25 and landed at 12:43."

Thanks for querying my post. Next time I'll read all of any link and not just assume it supports my now not perfect memory of what happened more than half a century ago!

Topic: RE: Any European Carriers Fly Transpac?
Username: Carduelis
Posted 2011-03-05 17:59:51 and read 4813 times.

From thread of 11 April 2010:-


Which Aircraft Did BOAC/BA Send To India In 60's?



This thread has prompted me to take a look at my Logbook. I was BOAC Cabin Crew on 707s from 11/62 to 6/66.

From 12/63 I was actually one of the 'Elite' BOAC Around the World Crews. There were three Eastabout flights and three Westabout, all starting and finishing at LHR - some calling into India. As mentioned above the flight numbers changed at HKG - to BA 910 along the routing TYO, HNL, SFO, JFK, and then to 510 to LHR. Westabout from LHR flight number was BA501, changing to BA911 SFO, HNL, TYO, HKG. Whilst the flight numbers changed the operated aircraft was the same from start to finish.

My first Around the World flight ironically started as passenger on a Comet IV flight from LHR

BA710/30DEC63 LHRZRH Comet IV G-APDS Psgr
BA710/30DEC63 ZRHTLV Comet IV G-APDS Psgr
BA701/30DEC63 TLVTHR Comet IV G-APDS Psgr
BA710/31DEC63 THRNDH Comet IV G-APDS Psgr
BA900/03JAN64 NDHNDH 707-436 G-APFB Crew - A good start with #4 engine catching fire soon after take-off!
BA900/03JAN64 NDHBKK 707-436 G-APFB Crew - After engine change!
BA900/03JAN64 BKKHKG 707-436 G-APFB Crew
BA801/06JAN64 HKGMNL 707-436 G-APFN Crew
BA801/06JAN64 MNLSYD 707-436 G-APFN Crew
BA802/09JAN64 SYDDWN 707-436 G-ARWE Crew
BA802/09JAN64 DWNHKG 707-436 G-APFD Crew
BA910/11JAN64 HKGTYO 707-436 G-APFL Crew
BA910/16JAN64 TYOHNL 707-436 G-APFL Crew
BA910/17JAN64 HNLSFO 707-436 G-APFP Crew
BA910/19JAN64 SFOJFK 707-436 G-APFF Crew
BA910/20JAN64 JFKLHR 707-436 G-APFH Crew

Yes, a lovely 21-day trip - just like all the BOAC Around the Worlds! Those were the days! Thanks for the memories!

Unfortunately we lost FE in March 66 - We still miss Capt Bernard Dobson and his crew. Both his crew and mine had been relaxing at rhe Red Garter on Broadway in SFO a few days before. His crew were westabout RTW, and we were eastabout, both with layovers in SFO.

RIP

Topic: RE: Any European Carriers Fly Transpac?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2011-03-05 19:26:00 and read 4732 times.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 19):
Now I've done some searching and can see why I thought that FUK was a scheduled stop on the BOAC trans-Pacific route. It was not. But Flight 911 did route SFO-HNL-FUK-HND-HKG arriving at FUK on 4 March 1960. However what was an over-night stop-over at FUK was not scheduled. The aircraft had diverted there from HND.

Thanks. That was a sad 24 hours at HND. Less than 18 hours before BOAC 911 broke apart in severe turbulence soon after takeoff from HND for HKG, a Canadian Pacific DC-8-43 crashed on landing at HND in poor weather, killing 64 of the 72 aboard. It was arriving from HKG, operating HKG-HND-YVR. It had already made one unsuccessful approach at HND after holding for an hour and had started a diversion to TPE when they were advised that HND weather seemed to be improving. They then made the unfortunate decision to try another approach at HND which resulted in the crash into the concrete seawall at the end of the runway.

Photo below of the doomed BOAC 707 taxiing for takeoff at HND past the wreckage of the CP DC-8 from the day before. About 15 minutes later all 124 passengers and crew on the 707 would be dead. And less than a month earlier, an NH 727-100 had crashed into Tokyo Bay approaching HND killing all 133 aboard.


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